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I don't negotiate at all & I give the provider exactly what she states she wants for the amount of time I want to spend with her. I do this on the premise that if I want what I want from the provider, then I need to be willing to cough it up & give her what she says she wants. What I have an issue with, is when I give them EXACTLY what they say they want, but then they turn around & give subpar effort. I'm learning that this can be AVOIDED if you simply pay at the END of the session & NOT at the beginning, no matter if she's well reviewed or not! If she's your ATF or you've seen her several times before & you trust her, fine, pay upfront, but theres nothing wrong with showing & counting the donation out in front of her when you get there to her (or when she comes to your location), but afterwards, the donation goes back in my pocket, wallet, sock, shoe or somewhere on my possession UNTIL the END of the session. That way, she knows you got her donation, she won't get it until the END & you still maintain leverage, should she halfass it, not agree to do certain things, etc. Chics that won't agree to this should be AVOIDED. After all, they are considered working girls which means they need to WORK for the donation & I don't know of any job that pays BEFORE work is done (legal or illegit! The type of car a guy drives should NOT be a factor in the level of service a guy receives or how much a provider wants to charge a guy & if she has a hang-up with that, then she should be AVOIDED. In this biz, the ONLY thing a provider should be concerned with is: LEO check, make sure the client has the FULL donation amt & satisfying the client, THATS IT! If a chic has a problem with guys constantly trying to low ball her, she should make sure she state in her ad in bold all-caps: DONATION AMTS ARE NONE NEGOTIABLE! And if I know I'm driving a fairly new or decent car, why show up to the chic IN that car? That gives her a false impression that you're a big spender. Just my two cents, but I'm still learning!

Especially about holding the donations until the end. The only issue with putting it back in your pockets is that the girl might think you want her to do something unreasonable, so to speak. Like if she does everything covered or doesn't allow CIM. She may feel you'll withhold her $ for reasons such as this. I personally don't mind counting it before her then placing it away from her and I (neutral place). I also tell them they can get up before me. Another thing with me is, I find, just like you, that when I give the requested amount, the service is definitely subpar which is why anything above 60, I tend to negotiate. If they are 80, I might try 65-70; not a big difference but again, I do it because they just don't seem to understand good customer service. And the thing is, I'm not the type to ask for risky or unhealthy stuff. I'm a pretty straightforward or traditional kind of guy, know what I mean.

Anyway, very few providers really provide the level of service they mention in their ad's. They say you'll be calling my name or you'll fall in love with me or your toes will be curling, etc. But most of us must admit, that level of service is very few and far between! Some girls are slick; you tell them you're going to place the donation out of the way and once you place it down, they wait for the opportunity (before the session when they think you're not paying attention) and make a beeline for the donation and HIDE IT! Hate when they do this shet! Anyway, as I said, negotiate if you will. Nothing wrong with that. I wouldn't offer 40 to a girl who is requesting 80 but I still might negotiate her down a bit. I've read many of you guys reviews about all the money you give these girls and you still complain about shitty service! So go ahead, empty your entire bank accounts for them- I'm not mad at ya! I wait for opportunities and have gotten some fantastic deals with ladies some of you have paid a mint to. Such as, if it's raining really badly outside and no one is calling them, here I come and I offer, sometimes, quite a bit less. There's a latina girl on BP who told me she normally gets about 200 or so for a half hour and I was able to see her for 60. Though she likely wouldn't do it again but it at least gave me an opportunity to decide if she was worth her exorbitant rates and you know what? She wasn't worth that amount (200).

[QUOTE=Jte31;2153600]I don't negotiate at all & I give the provider exactly what she states she wants for the amount of time I want to spend with her. I do this on the premise that if I want what I want from the provider, then I need to be willing to cough it up & give her what she says she wants. What I have an issue with, is when I give them EXACTLY what they say they want, but then they turn around & give subpar effort. I'm learning that this can be AVOIDED if you simply pay at the END of the session & NOT at the beginning, no matter if she's well reviewed or not! In this biz, the ONLY thing a provider should be concerned with is: LEO check, make sure the client has the FULL donation amt & satisfying the client, THATS IT! If a chic has a problem with guys constantly trying to low ball her, she should make sure she state in her ad in bold all-caps: DONATION AMTS ARE NONE NEGOTIABLE! And if I know I'm driving a fairly new or decent car, why show up to the chic IN that car? That gives her a false impression that you're a big spender. Just my two cents, but I'm still learning![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TeddEBear;2153143]I've said before that I empathize however, the average provider makes a minimum of 10 k a month without trying! The average number is between 15 k-20 k and in this economy that's unbelievable! I could never image how bad there job is but they can afford counseling! It's like any other business in the world, you cater to higher end clients and just deal with the rest.

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TEB.[/QUOTE]I believe this discussion started out describing cheap guys (that project the image that they have money) and the way they try to haggle a lesser price. I also assume the discussion was referencing average BP girls. I seriously doubt that the vast majority of girls we discuss on this forum make 10 k a month. The way many of the mongers on this site state that they won't pay more than 80-120 roses per h / h on the high side is evidence to my thoughts. That's a shitload of dicks per month to make 10 k. Assuming that a girl is down for close to a week for monthly "maintenance", and a couple of days per week off from actual sales, that leaves 14 to 16 days of actual work time. Do the math. I'm not saying it's impossible, but unsustainable at best. The providers who make the real money are the ones who travel that have at least a hint of a brain in their heads. Most of them are extremely hot, stay in nice locations, offer great service, and have a flair for marketing. These are fairly few and far between, and certainly out of my price range, at least most of the time.

TeddE, this article you posted is very interesting in deed. However, if you read closely, the girls making the big $$ were charged with racketeering. Meaning they were on the management side of the biz as well, hence making the big bucks. It does appear that this was a large scale operation with many participants generating large dollars simultaneously. I would wager that the providers who just "provided" made substantially less cake.

Feel that way, like you either won't pay or won't pay full price if she won't do certain things with you. I was told by someone that a provider should NOT be saying no or tryna shake ya down & charge xtra for anything except Greek fetish. Everything else should be on the menu & if she don't want to do something, then either leave or give less of a donation if ya decide to stay. Putting the donation in a neutral site is good IF she's doing an outcall & coming to see you, but you have to keep in mind that if you coming to her incall locale, NOWHERE in her place would be neutral, cause its her place. Now waiting til its raining & then go see a chic sound like a VERY GOOD idea, one that I just may have to try out! But I see what other guys are saying, it is interesting how one guy can have an experience with a chic & another guy have a totally different experience with the SAME chic! I was also told that one reason for all the subpar service here, may have to do with the lack of adequate enough talent here in NE Florida. Theres wayy more talented chics south of Jax (Miami) & out of state.

But neutral as in it's not in my pocket and she isn't allowed to stash it away like they prefer to do. I figure if it's in a location that we both have equal access to, it might give her something to think about. But honestly, some of these providers can be so unstable and have nothing to lose, all they have to do is make a big ado out of the situation and believe me, I'd likely fork over the $ because I don't really give enough to make a lot of waves over it. Now the 200 and so that some guys give, we'd have to battle over it, but partner, I can't tell you when the last time I gave someone that much. Since I've become a bit jaded in this so-called hobby, I know better than to empty my bank account for these folks. Man, they can come off really sweet and caring but if you rub one the wrong way, she'd let you have it!

[QUOTE=Jte31;2154182]Feel that way, like you either won't pay or won't pay full price if she won't do certain things with you. I was told by someone that a provider should NOT be saying no or tryna shake ya down & charge xtra for anything except Greek fetish. Everything else should be on the menu & if she don't want to do something, then either leave or give less of a donation if ya decide to stay. Putting the donation in a neutral site is good IF she's doing an outcall & coming to see you, but you have to keep in mind that if you coming to her incall locale, NOWHERE in her place would be neutral, cause its her place. Now waiting til its raining & then go see a chic sound like a VERY GOOD idea, one that I just may have to try out! But I see what other guys are saying, it is interesting how one guy can have an experience with a chic & another guy have a totally different experience with the SAME chic! I was also told that one reason for all the subpar service here, may have to do with the lack of adequate enough talent here in NE Florida. Theres wayy more talented chics south of Jax (Miami) & out of state.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Scohen1025;2153928]I believe this discussion started out describing cheap guys (that project the image that they have money) and the way they try to haggle a lesser price. I also assume the discussion was referencing average BP girls. I seriously doubt that the vast majority of girls we discuss on this forum make 10 k a month. The way many of the mongers on this site state that they won't pay more than 80-120 roses per h / h on the high side is evidence to my thoughts. That's a shitload of dicks per month to make 10 k. Assuming that a girl is down for close to a week for monthly "maintenance", and a couple of days per week off from actual sales, that leaves 14 to 16 days of actual work time. Do the math. I'm not saying it's impossible, but unsustainable at best. The providers who make the real money are the ones who travel that have at least a hint of a brain in their heads. Most of them are extremely hot, stay in nice locations, offer great service, and have a flair for marketing. These are fairly few and far between, and certainly out of my price range, at least most of the time.

TeddE, this article you posted is very interesting in deed. However, if you read closely, the girls making the big $$ were charged with racketeering. Meaning they were on the management side of the biz as well, hence making the big bucks. It does appear that this was a large scale operation with many participants generating large dollars simultaneously. I would wager that the providers who just "provided" made substantially less cake.[/QUOTE]Scohen, your right on the "money" as usual. I've actually had this discussion with a few providers and they pretty much have told me that on their best months their pulling down 7-8 grand. There's also expenses involved, hotels, travel, etc. Etc. They have to take time off, periods, pussy rest, well you get the picture. Also a surprising detail is the state of the economy, I've had a woman I've seen for almost five years, most of you know who she is, Rachelina, she's told me that when the economy tanked she had to lower her rates and that they still haven't recovered fully. So much for the news media saying everything is fine, the hookers know better! JD.

[QUOTE=JaxDog;2155135]Scohen, your right on the "money" as usual. I've actually had this discussion with a few providers and they pretty much have told me that on their best months their pulling down 7-8 grand. There's also expenses involved, hotels, travel, etc. Etc. They have to take time off, periods, pussy rest, well you get the picture. Also a surprising detail is the state of the economy, I've had a woman I've seen for almost five years, most of you know who she is, Rachelina, she's told me that when the economy tanked she had to lower her rates and that they still haven't recovered fully. So much for the news media saying everything is fine, the hookers know better! JD.[/QUOTE]I caught rachelina when prices went down.

Glad she isn't local. She is the nicest lady in the business I have ever met.

I cooked salmon for a treat and we had a glass of wine. It wasn't lets get it over.

I am slowing down, but would get weak if she stopped by.

[QUOTE=Pauley65;2155308]I caught rachelina when prices went down.

Glad she isn't local. She is the nicest lady in the business I have ever met.

I cooked salmon for a treat and we had a glass of wine. It wasn't lets get it over.

I am slowing down, but would get weak if she stopped by.[/QUOTE]I agree she's a true professional. Last time I saw her she'd put on some weight, not a bunch but enough so that I noticed. I'll probably see her again when she comes through town but if she gets any bigger I'm going too have to reevaluate. Five years ago when she was twenty five pounds lighter she was one hot piece of ass with great skills I might add. JD.

Or is someone famously NOT our type starting to branch out?

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I guess she just needed to work up to it.

[QUOTE=Sparkish;2156601]Or is someone famously NOT our type starting to branch out?

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I guess she just needed to work up to it.[/QUOTE]I mean you can only rub backs for so long then peeps stop going. I still don't think she will do anything besides a rub. I believe her boyfriend was in the next office space when I went to see her one time. We'll see, but my money is on no happy ending still. Just saying. Hope I'm wrong tho.

[QUOTE=SteveOReilly;2156869]I mean you can only rub backs for so long then peeps stop going. I still don't think she will do anything besides a rub. I believe her boyfriend was in the next office space when I went to see her one time. We'll see, but my money is on no happy ending still. Just saying. Hope I'm wrong tho.[/QUOTE]Her massage postings have one set of rates [B]$100/1.5hrs $150/2 hours There is an additional charge of $30 for out-call appointments.[/B].

Her body rub has another set of rates [B]90 /$120 or 2 hrs/$160. In call or out call. Additional $30 if I travel to you with massage table[/B].

I would hate to think she upped the price ($20 for 90 min) or ($10 for 2 hrs) without expanding the service.

Question is does she ask what ad you are calling about. Same phone number.

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Be safe!

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[QUOTE=Questionable1;2167336]Came across this information on Reddit today. Tought my brothers on here might find it interesting. Sure, we all know the rules, but a little refresher course is never a bad thing.

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Be safe!

Q1.[/QUOTE]Bad link. Pm or post again please.

Hunt safe.

Vn.

Sorry about that, I cut and paste it just as it was in the address bar. Not sure what the problem is / was. Here it is again.

Replace the **** with "blog spot" minus the space. Not sure why it keeps hiding it...

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I think that the forum software auto-deletes that domain as assumed spam. Insert ******** where the *s are and the address will work.

[QUOTE=Questionable1;2168237]Sorry about that, I cut and paste it just as it was in the address bar. Not sure what the problem is / was. Here it is again.



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Edit: it won't even let me write the word! It's bl0gsp0t.com. Let's see if it lets that through.