"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;2190365]
So. If they are flakey, no matter how hot, they have a crazy BF who cannot understand why she prefers 50 year old dick to his, and. Even if you are single, never bring them home.[/QUOTE]And to that I'd say don't reveal your last name to any girl that you wouldn't take home to mom, because once she knows your real name and your city she is either a 5 minute web search from finding your address, or at worst a $50 private investigator fee from having your address, employment location, wife's name etc. I'd even take it a step further and say try to keep your license plate out of view if you can, she may be able to get to the info from that (paid detective could).

One of the advantages of playing in other cities is it helps eliminate stalker opportunities. Not too many of them (the girls and / or their boyfriends) will have the time and willingness to travel many hours to sit in your driveway. 30 minutes away might not stop them.

Here is a tasty new tidbit I saw this week. My ménage may be back on next week. The ladies are texting me pictures again today.

My new baby rocks it.

"I'm not really looking for financial support like most women on here LOL I've just always been attracted to older men and want to date one. More so on the physical side of things. Also, probably gain a mentor since I am in school and value the opinions of someone older than I am. ".

I have been venturing out side of my area even past the burbs. Still a lot of UTR's but a few more so called normal girls, as this one appears to be. This girl is model quality.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2191698]"I'm not really looking for financial support like most women on here LOL I've just always been attracted to older men and want to date one. More so on the physical side of things. Also, probably gain a mentor since I am in school and value the opinions of someone older than I am. ".

I have been venturing out side of my area even past the burbs. Still a lot of UTR's but a few more so called normal girls, as this one appears to be. This girl is model quality.[/QUOTE]That kind of response is the variety I look for. They might not be revealing all of their motives which you would discover if you're with them long enough, but of course I never stick around long enough to find out. I just view it as an invite into their panties as long as the physical chemistry is there, with no expectation of money (but then of course I do gift them anyway). At least it helps weed out the GPS types. And yeah, sometimes it's the most stunning ones that don't want the money (as direct payment) as much as they dream more about moving in with a older guy who is comfortably set up. I guess that's because they've already got a long line of guys who would be willing to pay them for sex, so they don't need it as validation that they are hot. A lot of the types I've met like this already have full time jobs, too, so they aren't desperate, just are attracted to older men and like the idea of being "above comfortable" the rest of their lives.

Only thing that would be a red flag is if someone put that in their profile. They may be sincere when they do it, but it would still make me suspicious, because the moment they do they are going to get spammed with every dude on the site looking for an allowance-free stunner. So, I'd expect that sort of thing to come to light after a couple of emails have exchanged, as it sounds like it did in this case.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2191716]That kind of response is the variety I look for. They might not be revealing all of their motives which you would discover if you're with them long enough, but of course I never stick around long enough to find out. I just view it as an invite into their panties as long as the physical chemistry is there, with no expectation of money (but then of course I do gift them anyway). At least it helps weed out the GPS types. And yeah, sometimes it's the most stunning ones that don't want the money (as direct payment) as much as they dream more about moving in with a older guy who is comfortably set up. I guess that's because they've already got a long line of guys who would be willing to pay them for sex, so they don't need it as validation that they are hot. A lot of the types I've met like this already have full time jobs, too, so they aren't desperate, just are attracted to older men and like the idea of being "above comfortable" the rest of their lives.

Only thing that would be a red flag is if someone put that in their profile. They may be sincere when they do it, but it would still make me suspicious, because the moment they do they are going to get spammed with every dude on the site looking for an allowance-free stunner. So, I'd expect that sort of thing to come to light after a couple of emails have exchanged, as it sounds like it did in this case.[/QUOTE]I been txting her for the last few hours. It does seem TGTBT. But I did get enough info to find her instagram. She drives a mercedes and is going for a professional degree. Looks solidly middle class. She is a 10/10 in looks. Perfect. I do have one no pay girl right now. But admittedly she is no 10. She is freaky though and has started calling me master and always calls me daddy (but so does every girl). And we have off the charts sex for hours. If I ever find her personality in a models body like this above mentioned one. I could go off the market.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2191888]I been txting her for the last few hours. It does seem TGTBT. But I did get enough info to find her instagram. She drives a mercedes and is going for a professional degree. Looks solidly middle class. She is a 10/10 in looks. Perfect. I do have one no pay girl right now. But admittedly she is no 10. She is freaky though and has started calling me master and always calls me daddy (but so does every girl). And we have off the charts sex for hours. If I ever find her personality in a models body like this above mentioned one. I could go off the market.[/QUOTE]Well I am done talking to this one. The only thing left to do is meet her. I am not too good when the cash is off the table, but after reading all the posts here I realize some girls just want to have fun. I was sure I was going to blow it, civi dating is really not my forte.

But no doubt my game has increased dramatically over the years. I hope I can keep it up (literally) long enough to squeeze a few more years out of it.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2191888]I been txting her for the last few hours. It does seem TGTBT. But I did get enough info to find her instagram. She drives a mercedes and is going for a professional degree. Looks solidly middle class. She is a 10/10 in looks. Perfect. I do have one no pay girl right now. But admittedly she is no 10. She is freaky though and has started calling me master and always calls me daddy (but so does every girl). And we have off the charts sex for hours. If I ever find her personality in a models body like this above mentioned one. I could go off the market.[/QUOTE]Yes, the type I'm referring to often comes across as a bit TGTBT, but they are out there -- the ones that have their shit together in the rest of their lives, are incredibly hot, fun to be around, great in bed, and are less interested in direct payment than a more "boyfriend-daddy". The only real problem or risk with them is the fact that because they aren't just after money, a successful hook up with them will come down to things like timing and chemistry, so sometimes they just outright flee before you even get to the M&G. But when it does come together, my god, it can be good.

I met one once that was in this category: incredibly hot, self-supporting mid 20's single mom with a full-time salaried job and said she wanted an older guy she had real chemistry with. I suspect she also could use some rest and relaxation that an SD could provide, but she said that financial support really wasn't one of her main motives. She had a strong reaction to my photos, which was fine with me because she was seriously movie-star hot. Because I met her while my GF was in town, I told her I was looking for something that was a bit "don't ask don't tell" when it came to other people we may be seeing. I've written before about how I only scam when my GF is gone, but this was hot enough to take on some additional risk. Well, it wasn't in the cards -- I think my talk of discretion was the first turn-off for her, then when I realized she couldn't host, and I started talking hotel room meetings, I could tell that wasn't what she was looking for, so we just stopped texting. Too bad. In that case the chemistry was seemingly there but my availability to actually date wasn't. That's just one example of how things don't always pan out.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2192001]Yes, the type I'm referring to often comes across as a bit TGTBT, but they are out there -- the ones that have their shit together in the rest of their lives, are incredibly hot, fun to be around, great in bed, and are less interested in direct payment than a more "boyfriend-daddy". The only real problem or risk with them is the fact that because they aren't just after money, a successful hook up with them will come down to things like timing and chemistry, so sometimes they just outright flee before you even get to the M&G. But when it does come together, my god, it can be good.

I met one once that was in this category: incredibly hot, self-supporting mid 20's single mom with a full-time salaried job and said she wanted an older guy she had real chemistry with. I suspect she also could use some rest and relaxation that an SD could provide, but she said that financial support really wasn't one of her main motives. She had a strong reaction to my photos, which was fine with me because she was seriously movie-star hot. Because I met her while my GF was in town, I told her I was looking for something that was a bit "don't ask don't tell" when it came to other people we may be seeing. I've written before about how I only scam when my GF is gone, but this was hot enough to take on some additional risk. Well, it wasn't in the cards -- I think my talk of discretion was the first turn-off for her, then when I realized she couldn't host, and I started talking hotel room meetings, I could tell that wasn't what she was looking for, so we just stopped texting. Too bad. In that case the chemistry was seemingly there but my availability to actually date wasn't. That's just one example of how things don't always pan out.[/QUOTE]Well as a single guy I don't really have some of those issues. Also chemistry is usually my strong suite. If I get them to the FC I am usually ok from there. I,m the one that should be for rent.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2192461]Well as a single guy I don't really have some of those issues. Also chemistry is usually my strong suite. If I get them to the FC I am usually ok from there. I,m the one that should be for rent.[/QUOTE]As a single guy you're in a good position to sweep up some real treasures. The ones that are available for something long-term yet aren't in it for money need us to be available on an emotional level to some extent, and they typically know we'll never be available in that way if we have a wife or SO. One of my favorites would get fire in her eyes when she talked about married guys scamming. Maybe she sensed that I wasn't fully available and was trying to figure out what's up.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2192543]As a single guy you're in a good position to sweep up some real treasures. The ones that are available for something long-term yet aren't in it for money need us to be available on an emotional level[/QUOTE]Exactly. Here is one that is in the opposite end of the spectrum. I unfortunately got a crush on her pics and entered in to an extended dialogue of her pressing her $$$ per meet expectation against my wish for a PT GF expectation.

[URL]http://losangeles.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/she-just-might-be-the-one-s-e-x-y-and-petite-100-me-or-its-free-24/42290502[/URL]

I originally found her on SD4M but traced her to this ad and others. She is 5'2" and looks to be in good shape. Here was my final reply to her sales pitch.

"you already have a bf or you are just a very independent woman. All of the girls I date need a strong daddy figure in their life, and I am in this for the long term. Meeting someone for the first time is just an interview for me to see if there is any chance for an ongoing relationship.

Everyone is looking for something different on this site. All my ltr's are exclusive to me. Girls that have a lot going on but just need to have a real guy in their corner when they need one for more than just the money (which isn't much). As I do see someone once a day it still comes out to 3 k a month for me in after tax income. Not a fortune but not peanuts either.

You just need to get paid, and nothing more. But its the more that gets me these other girls."

So a wasted lesson on a GPS girl. As I have rarely, but not never turned a pro into an SB. And the few times i have they always stuck with their escort ways in the end.

Hey fellas,

So I've been out of the bowl for more than half a year now, and it finally took the friend of a former baby to bring me back into it.

I had this 23 year old French / Italian baby that I posted about last year. Well, looks like she disappeared for a while and recently pops up on fb. We made contact and try to schedule a reunion. My busy schedule and her not being very up to speed with communications, it didn't happen. I try to send her a few more texts but didn't get any response. I guess she probably found another dude, or was just plainly ignoring me.

Anyway, I see her close friend on fb (they posted lots of pics together) and seems pretty tight. And she's a cute one, I'll call her 'A'. Anyway, I sent 'A' a message on fb and ask if her friend was around and if everything was OK and if she doesn't mind letting her friend know that I am trying to reach her.

To my surprise, she replied: "So you were the guy she's fooling around with?" Not trying to admit to anything, I responded: "We're good friends".

She then proceeded to tell me she knows everything, and it's fine. Then she dropped the bomb: "Honestly, I kinda interested in what you guys were doing". I sat on my chair giggling like a little kid and my little boy just rise to full attention. Could this hot looking chic be wanting to fuck?

So I try to play it slow, and not let her know that I wanted to get my dick inside her every holes. LOL.

I told her to send me a few pics and we can discuss further. So, we started chatting on fb and then moved to texting over the course of several days before we ultimately meet up today. She's a 24 yr old white girl with a French / Canadian ancestry. Works as a bartender and probably doesn't get pay enough and wanting some help with car payment and insurance. What else am I to do, but help out a young pretty girl in need?

We all know what happens once we get these young girls to the FC, so let me skip the details and just simply say that I had a blast today. I took tons of photos and videos of her. Get her to do anything my dirty mind wanted. She was completely under my control and instructions. I ended up nutting once on her ass and another one on her face and mouth.

Once in a while, you run into one of these true amateurs that just allow you to live out your dirty and naughty fantasies. They are completely yours to do as you pleased.

This is the reason why I just couldn't walk away from the bowl completely. Though I am away, I still keep my eyes open from times to times.

Enjoy the hunt fellas, and keep us all posted of your adventures.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2192754]
So a wasted lesson on a GPS girl. As I have rarely, but not never turned a pro into an SB. And the few times i have they always stuck with their escort ways in the end.[/QUOTE]I avoid pros, thus have never tried to turn one into an SB. I did do the opposite once without intending to (turned an SB into a pro), but I'm pretty sure that one would have headed down that road with or without me anyway -- she turned "pro" in the sense of strip club takeout, a work environment which made it inevitable for someone like her. I was lucky enough to meet her right as she had started dancing at her first club and be her first daddy. She actually told me the first time she did a takeout appointment with another guy. LOL. She was just the type that liked to tell all. I wanted to ask if she at least used a rubber with him, but ended up just putting on the poker face. I didn't bang her after that and stopped texting her because personality-wise she was fairly childish and annoying. Breaking her in was the fun part and I had no real motivation -- by that time seen it all, but also because my GF was back in town. Great sex though while it lasted.

Since my last post I've been pretty busy. Brought another SB to the FC and setup a weekly thing there. Have another one I'm planning to close next week. What's crazy to me is we're still a few weeks away from school starting. I've got 3 potentials that are not here yet. I'm kind of worried about how much volume there's going to be after school does start. Some things I've started to have to do:

1) Putting who I'm meeting, when and where into a calendar app so I don't forget / double book.

2) Setup a spreadsheet to keep track of who's who. I laughed when I saw people had done this earlier in the thread. Now I'm wishing I had done it earlier. I'm only entering ones that I've scheduled or had M&Gs with though, to keep it paired down.

3) Really prioritize the girls I'm talking to. A lot of time sunk into lower quality girls because I'm getting hooked on the bowl. Need to cut back and focus on the worthwhile ones, as the volume of girls talking to me is getting distracting from real life obligations.

I imagine if you're in a lower density area, some of this would be unnecessary but it helped me.

As I alluded to before, I have a lot of potentials still going. A lot continue to flake out before the M&G but I'm getting used to that. I'm considering just setting up my laptop in a coffee shop and scheduling all my M&Gs for a day there. That way at least I can get work done if I get stood up. Curious if that's a technique people have tried or not before.

On to the updates. Last week was just M&Gs. I had 8 scheduled for the week, only 2 actually happened. Good news is one of them was an awesome M&G with POT 8 from my last post - 24 yr blonde, very sexual, very cool, but very nervous about meeting up. We hit it off really well and made plans for early the next week. Hit it off so well, she deleted her SA account shortly after our meet.

The other was so so. Nice 22 yr asian girl, good body, but a butterface. Nice girl, very inexperienced. Keeping her somewhat warm because it might be fun to teach her a few things, but so far I have better options out there. Maybe good in case plans fall through with someone else. We never discussed cost. If I ever do meet up, I may just not give her anything and see what happens.

This week, met with POT 8 early in the week in the FC. I had previously scheduled 3 M&Gs for that day and had to cancel / push them out. Totally worth it. She was still a bit nervous once we got to the room, but it faded quickly after her first O. First round was a bit awkward as we got a feel for each other, but after that we spent a total of 4 hours in the FC. I popped 4 times (once from oral which I almost never can do) and lost count of hers. She was very submissive, loved being choked and spanked. I went pretty easy on her at first then went rougher each subsequent time. Next time we meet up I'll have to see where her limits are.

That night I slept like a baby, felt awesome the next day.

Later in the week, I had 4 M&Gs scheduled for one afternoon. 2 flaked out. First one, 28 yr old brunette, showed up 45 minutes late (texted me the whole time begging me to wait for her). As expected, totally flighty and seemed. A bit off. Wanted 400. I countered 200, she wasn't thrilled with that. Small talk, bye, don't expect to hear from her unless she gets desperate. Better in her pictures anyway, so whatever.

Another M&G immediately after that. 22 yr old latina with a bad face. Her first M&G, clearly nervous, doesn't know what to do. I didn't really like her all that much, but I got the vibe she was into me. During the convo I told her no big deal if she didn't want to meet up again, and feel free to be honest and blunt if she didn't want to. Next day she messages me saying she was not impressed, etc, etc. This girl's a 6 face, maybe an 8 body (was hard to tell), and she was looking for some Rico Suave motherfucker to dump cash on her. The GPS on the not-hot girls boggles me.

Next day, 2 more M&Gs planned. One flakes. This is her second flake on me (although to be fair, she tells me hours in advance she can't make it), pretty much done trying with this one.

Second M&G, 23 yr brunette so so face, good body, goes well. Talk for over an hour, get along well. Good personality, very sexual, seems promising. Bonus: she can host! Whoo. Offer of 200 is ok, would like slightly higher. Given that I can save 200/ meet if she can host, I'm considering her counter of 250. .

Later that night she starts texting me asking me what I'm into sexually. Tells me she's submissive, really looking forward to meeting again, etc. So this one's promising.

To summarize my agreements a bit:

SB1 - 21 yr old Indian spinner. Out of state for a bit, back in 2 weeks. 200.

SB2 - 24 yr old blond submissive. Great skills, great body. 250.

POT - 23rd old brunette submissive. TBD skills, good body. 200-250 but can host.

Next week I have 2 more M&Gs scheduled and 5 more POTs I'm trying to setup a time to meet with. I'm trying to take it a bit easy with the M&Gs until school starts up, hoping new fish enter after labor day.

Out of curiousity. I looked at my SA stats. Since you guys keep saying this is a numbers game, I got curious about how bad the %s are.

SA says I've had 347 SBs contacted. 149 SBs replied have contacted me, so about 43%. Some of those aren't ones I initiated conversation with (like random girls from the midwest who want me to fly them in), so let's round down to 40%. Of those 149, I've setup M&Gs with 24 POTs, met with 10, closed 3.

Replied: Round to 40%.

M&G: 16% of respondees, 7% of contacted (This would be higher if I could do nights and weekends, or was willing to travel to some of the girls).

Met: 42% of M&Gs setup. 7% of respondees. 3% of contacted. (ditto).

FC: 30% of Met. 12% of M&Gs. 2% of respondees. 0. 86% of contacted.

So a pretty small percentage of girls move from one stage to the next so far.

[QUOTE=Mfp79;2193079]Since my last post I've been pretty busy. Brought another SB to the FC and setup a weekly thing there. Have another one I'm planning to close next week. What's crazy to me is we're still a few weeks away from school starting. I've got 3 potentials that are not here yet. I'm kind of worried about how much volume there's going to be after school does start. Some things I've started to have to do:

1) Putting who I'm meeting, when and where into a calendar app so I don't forget / double book.

2) Setup a spreadsheet to keep track of who's who. I laughed when I saw people had done this earlier in the thread. Now I'm wishing I had done it earlier. I'm only entering ones that I've scheduled or had M&Gs with though, to keep it paired down.

3) Really prioritize the girls I'm talking to. A lot of time sunk into lower quality girls because I'm getting hooked on the bowl. Need to cut back and focus on the worthwhile ones, as the volume of girls talking to me is getting distracting from real life obligations.

I imagine if you're in a lower density area, some of this would be unnecessary but it helped me.

As I alluded to before, I have a lot of potentials still going. A lot continue to flake out before the M&G but I'm getting used to that. I'm considering just setting up my laptop in a coffee shop and scheduling all my M&Gs for a day there. That way at least I can get work done if I get stood up. Curious if that's a technique people have tried or not before.

On to the updates. Last week was just M&Gs. I had 8 scheduled for the week, only 2 actually happened. Good news is one of them was an awesome M&G with POT 8 from my last post - 24 yr blonde, very sexual, very cool, but very nervous about meeting up. We hit it off really well and made plans for early the next week. Hit it off so well, she deleted her SA account shortly after our meet.

The other was so so. Nice 22 yr asian girl, good body, but a butterface. Nice girl, very inexperienced. Keeping her somewhat warm because it might be fun to teach her a few things, but so far I have better options out there. Maybe good in case plans fall through with someone else. We never discussed cost. If I ever do meet up, I may just not give her anything and see what happens.

This week, met with POT 8 early in the week in the FC. I had previously scheduled 3 M&Gs for that day and had to cancel / push them out. Totally worth it. She was still a bit nervous once we got to the room, but it faded quickly after her first O. First round was a bit awkward as we got a feel for each other, but after that we spent a total of 4 hours in the FC. I popped 4 times (once from oral which I almost never can do) and lost count of hers. She was very submissive, loved being choked and spanked. I went pretty easy on her at first then went rougher each subsequent time. Next time we meet up I'll have to see where her limits are.

That night I slept like a baby, felt awesome the next day.

Later in the week, I had 4 M&Gs scheduled for one afternoon. 2 flaked out. First one, 28 yr old brunette, showed up 45 minutes late (texted me the whole time begging me to wait for her). As expected, totally flighty and seemed. A bit off. Wanted 400. I countered 200, she wasn't thrilled with that. Small talk, bye, don't expect to hear from her unless she gets desperate. Better in her pictures anyway, so whatever.

Another M&G immediately after that. 22 yr old latina with a bad face. Her first M&G, clearly nervous, doesn't know what to do. I didn't really like her all that much, but I got the vibe she was into me. During the convo I told her no big deal if she didn't want to meet up again, and feel free to be honest and blunt if she didn't want to. Next day she messages me saying she was not impressed, etc, etc. This girl's a 6 face, maybe an 8 body (was hard to tell), and she was looking for some Rico Suave motherfucker to dump cash on her. The GPS on the not-hot girls boggles me.

Next day, 2 more M&Gs planned. One flakes. This is her second flake on me (although to be fair, she tells me hours in advance she can't make it), pretty much done trying with this one.

Second M&G, 23 yr brunette so so face, good body, goes well. Talk for over an hour, get along well. Good personality, very sexual, seems promising. Bonus: she can host! Whoo. Offer of 200 is ok, would like slightly higher. Given that I can save 200/ meet if she can host, I'm considering her counter of 250. .

Later that night she starts texting me asking me what I'm into sexually. Tells me she's submissive, really looking forward to meeting again, etc. So this one's promising.

To summarize my agreements a bit:

SB1 - 21 yr old Indian spinner. Out of state for a bit, back in 2 weeks. 200.

SB2 - 24 yr old blond submissive. Great skills, great body. 250.

POT - 23rd old brunette submissive. TBD skills, good body. 200-250 but can host.

Next week I have 2 more M&Gs scheduled and 5 more POTs I'm trying to setup a time to meet with. I'm trying to take it a bit easy with the M&Gs until school starts up, hoping new fish enter after labor day.

Out of curiousity. I looked at my SA stats. Since you guys keep saying this is a numbers game, I got curious about how bad the %s are.

SA says I've had 347 SBs contacted. 149 SBs replied have contacted me, so about 43%. Some of those aren't ones I initiated conversation with (like random girls from the midwest who want me to fly them in), so let's round down to 40%. Of those 149, I've setup M&Gs with 24 POTs, met with 10, closed 3.

Replied: Round to 40%.

M&G: 16% of respondees, 7% of contacted (This would be higher if I could do nights and weekends, or was willing to travel to some of the girls).

Met: 42% of M&Gs setup. 7% of respondees. 3% of contacted. (ditto).

FC: 30% of Met. 12% of M&Gs. 2% of respondees. 0. 86% of contacted.

So a pretty small percentage of girls move from one stage to the next so far.[/QUOTE]I have followed this thread with great interest for a couple of months, but I must admit I can't figure out all of the abbreviations and they are not listed in that section.

Could you please explain some of the terms like M&G, POT, FC, etc. Thanks.

[QUOTE=DWalston1;2193213]I have followed this thread with great interest for a couple of months, but I must admit I can't figure out all of the abbreviations and they are not listed in that section.

Could you please explain some of the terms like M&G, POT, FC, etc. Thanks.[/QUOTE]M&G = Meet and Greet.

FC = Fucking Chamber.

POT = Potential.

You should really read the thread though. Or at least the last 100 pages or so.

Or the lack there of. Met with a just turned 18 last week NP that I actually got to the FC on the first date and then she declined. It happens sometimes. The chemistry really wasnt there but I would have banged her little 5'2" body if she let me. So she willingly turned down the $ and took the .2 I gave her for the 2 hour RT train ride to see me and 2 hours we spent together. I guess a real NP can afford to be picky. She said she thought a $ was too low. I replied that it was low and only a girl who really liked me (in one way or another) would ever take a $ to have sex. Doubt I,ll see her again.

Then an overweight but cute MILF hit me up saying she hadn't been banged in 3 months and was being evicted in a week. I offered her my $ which she turned down and said she "normally got 5 times that amount". I guess just not often enough to prevent being behind in her rent. LOL.

Still got tonite, but its almost 7 PST. My TGTBT POT is still txting me but I am waiting for a shoe to drop as she is a 10/10/10/? so far.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2187905]I know some guys on the board have told their SB what is being said about them. I had an irritating experience with an SB a while ago and made a public complaint. Some "friend" or other SD told her and she confronted me. My complaint was valid but her circumstances were extenuating. It was very awkward but we got past it and had a great run together. Keep the info to facts and no one can complain. In Escort terms YMMV.

I would be interested to know 1) is she seeing other SDs? 2) Is she a Pro? 3) any drama like flaking?

Does someone have the tech savvy to set up a Yahoo account with multiple users by invitation only?[/QUOTE]Just curious if most "SD's" aren't exclusive with their "SBs," why does it matter if she is exclusive towards you? It's not a real boyfriend and girlfriend relationship at the end of the day.

I think the fact that on SA, neither the SB or SD can see there competition adds to the epidemic of GPS I've been seeing lately. I just saw a profile for a "cute" 19 yo baby with an "average" body wanting a "High" lifestyle budget for "nothing sexual". WOW! If they could see the number of very attractive women they are competing with they might change there attitude.

I get a lot of attention from SB's and have had two SB's want to become boyfriend / girlfriend. I can only assume the SD competition isn't that great in my area. If there really were many millionaire "hot" SD's out there I wouldn't get the attention I do. I just play the numbers and when one SB says she expects some ridiculous allowance, I just wish them luck and ask them to contact me if they change their mind. The hottest SB's I've taken to the FC have not had GPS and some SB's that would have to pay me to sleep with them have crazy expectations.

Max.

[QUOTE=MeowLuvStoroar;2193951]Just curious if most "SD's" aren't exclusive with their "SBs," why does it matter if she is exclusive towards you? It's not a real boyfriend and girlfriend relationship at the end of the day.[/QUOTE]Well, we like what we like and are paying for the " relationship ". If I want an escort I know what I am getting and agree to it. It's really about attitude as well as safety. The more guys involved with a girl the higher the STD risk and exposure to crazy jealous BFs. If I find one girl who rings all my bells I will be exclusive.

Girls who see multiple guys for "allowance" are basically escorting --what we call UTR. You might not have a pimp or website advertising the fact but you are trading your company for money . A girl who sees her Daddy for a little supplemental help is a girlfriend experience. We enjoy each others' company beyond just sex.

We all know that girls we are seeing probably have BFs and other SDs. It is a money game for ladies I'm sure. Ironically, we want love, girls want more money. I will not continue to see an SB if I know she is seeing others.

[QUOTE=MeowLuvStoroar;2193951]Just curious if most "SD's" aren't exclusive with their "SBs," why does it matter if she is exclusive towards you? It's not a real boyfriend and girlfriend relationship at the end of the day.[/QUOTE]There is a huge range of possibilities regarding what an SB / SD arrangement is. Reading any amount of this thread history reveals what I mean. An SD / SB arrangement ranges from anything from escorts posing as SB to girls looking for exclusive boyfriends that will take care of them or that are just attracted to successful men (what woman isn't?) and sees SD sites as a way to find them.

I'm ignorant about many areas of life, but there are a handful of areas that I know extremely well, and one of those is how women think and how they behave. Because of my experience with them, I know how rare true honesty is in a woman. Deception is hormonally intrinsic to their gender, they can't help it. They're also scary good at it and can be convincing enough to fool even the best. Honesty is harder for them than it is for males, and it the risk of lies gets worse as their looks get better. The hotter they are, the more you have to be on the lookout for lies.

The other option is to do what I do -- don't worry about the lies unless its someone you're in a serious relationship with. The SD / SB thing is a game for me -- it's for fun and if I stopped to think about all the lies that will be exchanged during the course of that game, it probably wouldn't be as much fun, so I just don't. Unless the girl is living with us and we're around to observe everything she does, monitor her phone / computer, etc. , we will be utterly clueless what she does with her spare time whether we accept it or not.

But, to answer your question, why should an SD care? Well the whole point of an arrangement is to come to some sort of agreement. If an SD is going to be supporting an SB with a monthly allowance, part of the terms of that allowance might be that she does not fuck anyone else. Ok, so he won't even know if she is most of the time, but if he's the one paying her bills then yes he has a right to tell her what she needs to do to earn her allowance. He might care about this because he's paying to support her, so he might want to retain the right to 100% of her sexual energy as part of that agreement.

Does an SD have a right to demand an SB is exclusive? Sure, but she does not have to agree to the demands. She can demand that he's exclusive too. He might say go get stuffed there's no way I'm going to. She might say the same thing.

The bottom line is that both sides should uphold their side of the agreement, or they're both pretty much scum / liars. I personally don't commit to anything like this, nor do I make demands of the SBs. I tell them just to have a good time and everything else will fall into place.

As far as how is it fair if the SB agrees to exclusive and the SD isn't, well now we are simply talking about economics and supply and demand. The bottom line is that in most cases the girl needs the income more than the guy really needs extra pussy on the side. It's been that way since the beginning of time and will always be that way.

It all boils down to survival of the species doesn't it? Men are hardwired to spread their seed far and wide to propagate the species, and woman is wired to gain support to allow her to nurture that species.

Escorts are fine. One of my favorite girls is / was an escort who saw a small book of business to reach a certain goal. She wasn't greedy as so many are, and would settle for one guy if he supported that goal. She was up front about it but always made me feel special. But in the end I couldn't support her and I wanted to spend more than 1 hour with someone -hence SBs.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2194141]There is a huge range of possibilities regarding what an SB / SD arrangement is. Reading any amount of this thread history reveals what I mean. An SD / SB arrangement ranges from anything from escorts posing as SB to girls looking for exclusive boyfriends that will take care of them or that are just attracted to successful men (what woman isn't?) and sees SD sites as a way to find them.

I'm ignorant about many areas of life, but there are a handful of areas that I know extremely well, and one of those is how women think and how they behave. Because of my experience with them, I know how rare true honesty is in a woman. Deception is hormonally intrinsic to their gender, they can't help it. They're also scary good at it and can be convincing enough to fool even the best. Honesty is harder for them than it is for males, and it the risk of lies gets worse as their looks get better. The hotter they are, the more you have to be on the lookout for lies.

The other option is to do what I do -- don't worry about the lies unless its someone you're in a serious relationship with. The SD / SB thing is a game for me -- it's for fun and if I stopped to think about all the lies that will be exchanged during the course of that game, it probably wouldn't be as much fun, so I just don't. Unless the girl is living with us and we're around to observe everything she does, monitor her phone / computer, etc. , we will be utterly clueless what she does with her spare time whether we accept it or not.

But, to answer your question, why should an SD care? Well the whole point of an arrangement is to come to some sort of agreement. If an SD is going to be supporting an SB with a monthly allowance, part of the terms of that allowance might be that she does not fuck anyone else. Ok, so he won't even know if she is most of the time, but if he's the one paying her bills then yes he has a right to tell her what she needs to do to earn her allowance. He might care about this because he's paying to support her, so he might want to retain the right to 100% of her sexual energy as part of that agreement.

Does an SD have a right to demand an SB is exclusive? Sure, but she does not have to agree to the demands. She can demand that he's exclusive too. He might say go get stuffed there's no way I'm going to. She might say the same thing.

The bottom line is that both sides should uphold their side of the agreement, or they're both pretty much scum / liars. I personally don't commit to anything like this, nor do I make demands of the SBs. I tell them just to have a good time and everything else will fall into place.

As far as how is it fair if the SB agrees to exclusive and the SD isn't, well now we are simply talking about economics and supply and demand. The bottom line is that in most cases the girl needs the income more than the guy really needs extra pussy on the side. It's been that way since the beginning of time and will always be that way.[/QUOTE]I see what you're saying if there is a monthly and consistent arrangement. From reading most of the threads lately. It looks more of how many can I get for the least and the most time. I see it as the male still having "trick" mentality and not so much wanting quality rather than quantity. As far as exclusivity if both parties communicate the way they should, no one will feel the situation as unfair, but I do find it somewhat comical if a "SD" is asking for that yet they have a wife or serious girlfriend. I also don't see how all escorts have the frame of mind as most think they do. If you get rather comfortable with one and you form a nice "regular" relationship, you can see her human side and not assume that she's just an assembly line. Some also confuse GPS attitude with a woman having a standard. For instance if she is running into men like Hollywoodguy who only offers $ how is that supplementing anything but a mani and pedi. No school expenses or real bills being taken care of with that amount, that would turn a girl into a UTR seeing multiple men just to supplement her bills if all are coming in with one bill and you might see them only once a month because they're addicted to the sugarbowl LOL. That just refers back to what I stated up top about T mentality. I think some people need to be realist and understand especially if they're going to the FC that money will be exchanged at some point, otherwise a woman can go to sites like AFF and just be a * Or maybe some guys purposely seek the 6's and 7's or very young and nave women because the girl is insecure and any attention works for her. As for the very nice looking women not wanting anything from you but still on sugar daddy sites LOL, either you found yourself a unicorn or someone who can play the game better and have more patience for the bigger reward and probably want to settle down to be taken care of for life with a "real" relationship with a gentleman they met on a sugardaddy site.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2194141]There is a huge range of possibilities regarding what an SB / SD arrangement is. Reading any amount of this thread history reveals what I mean. An SD / SB arrangement ranges from anything from escorts posing as SB to girls looking for exclusive boyfriends that will take care of them or that are just attracted to successful men (what woman isn't?) and sees SD sites as a way to find them.

I'm ignorant about many areas of life, but there are a handful of areas that I know extremely well, and one of those is how women think and how they behave. Because of my experience with them, I know how rare true honesty is in a woman. Deception is hormonally intrinsic to their gender, they can't help it. They're also scary good at it and can be convincing enough to fool even the best. Honesty is harder for them than it is for males, and it the risk of lies gets worse as their looks get better. The hotter they are, the more you have to be on the lookout for lies.

The other option is to do what I do -- don't worry about the lies unless its someone you're in a serious relationship with. The SD / SB thing is a game for me -- it's for fun and if I stopped to think about all the lies that will be exchanged during the course of that game, it probably wouldn't be as much fun, so I just don't. Unless the girl is living with us and we're around to observe everything she does, monitor her phone / computer, etc. , we will be utterly clueless what she does with her spare time whether we accept it or not.

But, to answer your question, why should an SD care? Well the whole point of an arrangement is to come to some sort of agreement. If an SD is going to be supporting an SB with a monthly allowance, part of the terms of that allowance might be that she does not fuck anyone else. Ok, so he won't even know if she is most of the time, but if he's the one paying her bills then yes he has a right to tell her what she needs to do to earn her allowance. He might care about this because he's paying to support her, so he might want to retain the right to 100% of her sexual energy as part of that agreement.

Does an SD have a right to demand an SB is exclusive? Sure, but she does not have to agree to the demands. She can demand that he's exclusive too. He might say go get stuffed there's no way I'm going to. She might say the same thing.

The bottom line is that both sides should uphold their side of the agreement, or they're both pretty much scum / liars. I personally don't commit to anything like this, nor do I make demands of the SBs. I tell them just to have a good time and everything else will fall into place.

As far as how is it fair if the SB agrees to exclusive and the SD isn't, well now we are simply talking about economics and supply and demand. The bottom line is that in most cases the girl needs the income more than the guy really needs extra pussy on the side. It's been that way since the beginning of time and will always be that way.[/QUOTE]I see what you're saying if there is a monthly and consistent arrangement. From reading most of the threads lately. It looks more of how many can I get for the least and the most time. I see it as the male still having "trick" mentality and not so much wanting quality rather than quantity. As far as exclusivity if both parties communicate the way they should, no one will feel the situation as unfair, but I do find it somewhat comical if a "SD" is asking for that yet they have a wife or serious girlfriend. I also don't see how all escorts have the frame of mind as most think they do. If you get rather comfortable with one and you form a nice "regular" relationship, you can see her human side and not assume that she's just an assembly line. Some also confuse GPS attitude with a woman having a standard. For instance if she is running into men like Hollywoodguy who only offers $ how is that supplementing anything but a mani and pedi. No school expenses or real bills being taken care of with that amount, that would turn a girl into a UTR seeing multiple men just to supplement her bills if all are coming in with one bill and you might see them only once a month because they're addicted to the sugarbowl LOL. I think some people need to be realist and understand especially if they're going to the FC that money will be exchanged at some point, otherwise a woman can go to sites like AFF and just be a ****. Or maybe some guys purposely seek the 6's and 7's or very young and naïve women because the girl is insecure and any attention works for her. As for the very nice looking women not wanting anything from you but still on sugar daddy sites LOL, either you found yourself a unicorn or someone who can play the game better and have more patience for the bigger reward and probably want to settle down to be taken care of for life with a "real" relationship with a gentleman they met on a sugardaddy site.

[QUOTE=MeowLuvStoroar;2194342]I see what you're saying if there is a monthly and consistent arrangement. From reading most of the threads lately. It looks more of how many can I get for the least and the most time. I see it as the male still having "trick" mentality and not so much wanting quality rather than quantity. As far as exclusivity if both parties communicate the way they should, no one will feel the situation as unfair, but I do find it somewhat comical if a "SD" is asking for that yet they have a wife or serious girlfriend. I also don't see how all escorts have the frame of mind as most think they do. If you get rather comfortable with one and you form a nice "regular" relationship, you can see her human side and not assume that she's just an assembly line. Some also confuse GPS attitude with a woman having a standard. For instance if she is running into men like Hollywoodguy who only offers $ how is that supplementing anything but a mani and pedi. No school expenses or real bills being taken care of with that amount, that would turn a girl into a UTR seeing multiple men just to supplement her bills if all are coming in with one bill and you might see them only once a month because they're addicted to the sugarbowl LOL. I think some people need to be realist and understand especially if they're going to the FC that money will be exchanged at some point, otherwise a woman can go to sites like AFF and just be a ****. Or maybe some guys purposely seek the 6's and 7's or very young and nave women because the girl is insecure and any attention works for her. As for the very nice looking women not wanting anything from you but still on sugar daddy sites LOL, either you found yourself a unicorn or someone who can play the game better and have more patience for the bigger reward and probably want to settle down to be taken care of for life with a "real" relationship with a gentleman they met on a sugardaddy site.[/QUOTE]Any girl that is regular with me will make 4 to 10 c notes a month, so it actually does help. Especially when its month after month, even years. Does it turn them into UTR's? Never really. They all have jobs, gov assistance, family or they were utr to begin with. The one offs obviously don't fare as well. But my top 3 girls all earned between 3k and 7k so far this year, so it does add up. Another half dozen or so made 5 to 10 benjis so far. Still something. But of course I focus on girls that have deep emotional and/or physical needs as well.

Or in the case of this one. She wont take a dime. Rare indeed. But her other needs are met.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?10455-Sugar-Daddy-Sites

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[QUOTE=MeowLuvStoroar;2194342]As for the very nice looking women not wanting anything from you but still on sugar daddy sites LOL, either you found yourself a unicorn or someone who can play the game better and have more patience for the bigger reward and probably want to settle down to be taken care of for life with a "real" relationship with a gentleman they met on a sugardaddy site.[/QUOTE]I assume you're a female (seemingly an older one who aspires to be an SB) here to share your perspective, and there's no reason you shouldn't be able to, but remember your perspective is of limited use if your purpose is to try to convince anyone to think along the same lines, because you're only peering through a single pair of female eyes whereas the collective experience of the SD's here brings the perspective of experience with hundreds, or probably thousands of SBs, not just one.

I'm not saying that most of the girls on an SB site don't have a financial motive, most of them surely do. But as I've written before there probably aren't many females on the planet that don't prefer a wealthy man to a poor one. Some of them do have a genuine attraction to older men, some maybe wouldn't go near someone twice their age unless there's money on the table, and some of them are as you said just fundamentally gold diggers that have very ambitious long-term plans. Some of them are plain old backpage or CL girls that have delusions of grandeur and want to pass themselves off as a true SB.

They are all out for something. Not necessarily cash payment though. All women are out for something, even in the civy dating world.

As far is how is it fair for an SD that's married to have an exclusive SB, well it becomes fair the moment the SB decides its the right arrangement for her and she signs up for it. If she feels it's not fair, its up to her to make that decision BEFORE agreeing to exclusivity. Fairness is defined by doing what you said you would do and sticking to your agreement. It has nothing to do with the terms of the agreement itself.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2194639]I assume you're a female (seemingly an older one who aspires to be an SB) here to share your perspective, and there's no reason you shouldn't be able to, but remember your perspective is of limited use if your purpose is to try to convince anyone to think along the same lines, because you're only peering through a single pair of female eyes whereas the collective experience of the SD's here brings the perspective of experience with hundreds, or probably thousands of SBs, not just one.

I'm not saying that most of the girls on an SB site don't have a financial motive, most of them surely do. But as I've written before there probably aren't many females on the planet that don't prefer a wealthy man to a poor one. Some of them do have a genuine attraction to older men, some maybe wouldn't go near someone twice their age unless there's money on the table, and some of them are as you said just fundamentally gold diggers that have very ambitious long-term plans. Some of them are plain old backpage or CL girls that have delusions of grandeur and want to pass themselves off as a true SB.

They are all out for something. Not necessarily cash payment though. All women are out for something, even in the civy dating world.

As far is how is it fair for an SD that's married to have an exclusive SB, well it becomes fair the moment the SB decides its the right arrangement for her and she signs up for it. If she feels it's not fair, its up to her to make that decision BEFORE agreeing to exclusivity. Fairness is defined by doing what you said you would do and sticking to your agreement. It has nothing to do with the terms of the agreement itself.[/QUOTE]I'm 25 years old, so I would be older than the 19 to 22 yr olds LOL.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2194639]I assume you're a female (seemingly an older one who aspires to be an SB) here to share your perspective, and there's no reason you shouldn't be able to, but remember your perspective is of limited use if your purpose is to try to convince anyone to think along the same lines, because you're only peering through a single pair of female eyes whereas the collective experience of the SD's here brings the perspective of experience with hundreds, or probably thousands of SBs, not just one.

I'm not saying that most of the girls on an SB site don't have a financial motive, most of them surely do. But as I've written before there probably aren't many females on the planet that don't prefer a wealthy man to a poor one. Some of them do have a genuine attraction to older men, some maybe wouldn't go near someone twice their age unless there's money on the table, and some of them are as you said just fundamentally gold diggers that have very ambitious long-term plans. Some of them are plain old backpage or CL girls that have delusions of grandeur and want to pass themselves off as a true SB.

They are all out for something. Not necessarily cash payment though. All women are out for something, even in the civy dating world.

As far is how is it fair for an SD that's married to have an exclusive SB, well it becomes fair the moment the SB decides its the right arrangement for her and she signs up for it. If she feels it's not fair, its up to her to make that decision BEFORE agreeing to exclusivity. Fairness is defined by doing what you said you would do and sticking to your agreement. It has nothing to do with the terms of the agreement itself.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately the assumption of me is incorrect. I am a 25 year old woman, who escorts twice a month, have been an SB before and fulltime works for an employer I've been with since 18. I have no purpose here, I just find this topic rather fascinating. No convincing just sharing and giving my opinion since I am a chameleon and have blended in all sorts of scenarios. I don't claim to be a guru of the opposite sex no more than a guy claiming to know how we work, especially in this realm. Neither party can put themselves in the others shoes. We are all (both male and female) different and our reasons will not always be the same as others, for what and why we do what we do.

About the fairness, I agree if both parties communicate the way most real adults communicate. You maybe a true SD but like I've stated before most of what I've been reading sounds more like T mentality rather than a man who appreciates the quality of one maybe two SB's. In a perfect world both parties could truly trust each other and have a phenomenal time and both parties would not feel like they're in a numbers game and need blogs to help them get over on one another. No one likes a selfish person period. I remain optimistic that there are people who just want a great time with out the headaches I read about on both sides LOL.

[QUOTE=MeowLuvStoroar;2194342] As far as exclusivity if both parties communicate the way they should, no one will feel the situation as unfair, but I do find it somewhat comical if a "SD" is asking for that yet they have a wife or serious girlfriend. [/QUOTE]That certainly is strange. Do as I say, not as I do.

[QUOTE=MeowLuvStoroar;2194654]I'm 25 years old, so I would be older than the 19 to 22 yr olds LOL.[/QUOTE]I welcome the presence of a woman to get the perspective from your POV. You have Sb and UTR / Pro experience so you can bring a lot to the table. What ever happened to Mandy from a year or two ago?

Thanks to FredMoore!! I posted a couple of weeks (1st post) ago asking for input on the escort v SB conundrum. Got several several good responses both on the board and via PM. Thanks guys.

But, especial thanks to Fred for the suggestion that I inquire of my ATF what it would take to make her mine. Well, she's agreed for the cost of an apartment. One helluva bargain in relation to what I've been spending and I can get the apartment month-to-month. What's to lose?

Thanks again, Fred.

[QUOTE=MeowLuvStoroar;2194699]Unfortunately the assumption of me is incorrect. I am a 25 year old woman, who escorts twice a month, have been an SB before and fulltime works for an employer I've been with since 18. I have no purpose here, I just find this topic rather fascinating. No convincing just sharing and giving my opinion since I am a chameleon and have blended in all sorts of scenarios. I don't claim to be a guru of the opposite sex no more than a guy claiming to know how we work, especially in this realm. Neither party can put themselves in the others shoes. We are all (both male and female) different and our reasons will not always be the same as others, for what and why we do what we do.

About the fairness, I agree if both parties communicate the way most real adults communicate. You maybe a true SD but like I've stated before most of what I've been reading sounds more like T mentality rather than a man who appreciates the quality of one maybe two SB's. In a perfect world both parties could truly trust each other and have a phenomenal time and both parties would not feel like they're in a numbers game and need blogs to help them get over on one another. No one likes a selfish person period. I remain optimistic that there are people who just want a great time with out the headaches I read about on both sides LOL.[/QUOTE]Well first, I've never called myself a "true" SD, I'm only a part-timer and I am not in a position to offer long-term support. But the girls I go for are "true" SBs in the sense that that's who they are and what they are looking for. Sometimes I meet girls that aren't really true SBs by nature, but choose to bang them anyway. Welcome to the bowl. As I said, a fair agreement is when both sides are happy with the terms. If either party claims to be exclusive and breaks that commitment, fairness of the arrangement has been breached. As far as one man having many women, well it all comes down to what an individual can afford. If a cougar sugarmomma can afford lots of young cubs, and the tables are turned and she asks them for exclusivity but reserves the right to have a husband and multiple boyfriends, I would say the same thing.

Again, fairness is defined by integrity in both thinking about the terms of arrangement before agreeing to it, and sticking to your word after signing up. Nothing else. Its the same in business or in love.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2195066]I welcome the presence of a woman to get the perspective from your POV. You have Sb and UTR / Pro experience so you can bring a lot to the table. What ever happened to Mandy from a year or two ago?[/QUOTE]Thank you Fred.

[QUOTE=RiverGriz;2195135]Thanks to FredMoore!! I posted a couple of weeks (1st post) ago asking for input on the escort v SB conundrum. Got several several good responses both on the board and via PM. Thanks guys.

But, especial thanks to Fred for the suggestion that I inquire of my ATF what it would take to make her mine. Well, she's agreed for the cost of an apartment. One helluva bargain in relation to what I've been spending and I can get the apartment month-to-month. What's to lose?

Thanks again, Fred.[/QUOTE]Congratulations! Of course be circumspect about her monogamy if that is your goal. Now she has a pad that she can entertain other gents in. Not all girls are greedy but it might be too tempting to make a few extra bucks along the way. Make sure and set the ground rules re: your expectations. As JL said earlier, honesty is the best policy. If you are expecting monogamy and she agrees to it, then that should be it. OTOH, you are saving money and happy with the arrangement, so be optimistic that she will honor it.

My SB has set us up again for Thursday with her girlfriend, who is "not in it for the money, just looking for an adventure". The girl is 20 something and hot judging from the pictures I have seen. As some of you recall, she (my SB) flaked when we were set up a couple weeks ago, claiming her phone was being shut off. I think this is more solid, but I ain't count any chickens yet.

I made a new profile on SD4M specifically asking for "very submissive" girls only. I am not contacting anyone and just waiting for them to hit me up first. This does cut way down on the number of responses, but hopefully they are sincere.

Here was a recent exchange.

HER: Hey. My name is (anonymous). I am 19 years of age. If you're interested in getting to know more about me, don't be afraid to contact me.

ME: I am looking for a very submissive girl that knows how to please her daddy or is willing to learn. Is that you?

HER: Yes I am willing to learn. I've never had a sugar daddy, hopefully you'll be my first.

ME: Then we should meet up. Whats your number?

Gives me her number.

Some minor txting after that. Then went on the M&G the next day (today). I met her in a strip mall parking lot. She pulls up in a new car, she was very well groomed, a bit thick (thicker than her pics), but oh well. We just talked in my car. She wanted to know what being a sugar baby was. I told her we would chill in the FC and that I would teach her how to please me and that I would please her in return. And not to worry about her inexperience. That I would teach her how to feel like a woman and be confident with any man in the future. She wanted to know if she could come by after work tomorrow.

My regular profile is geared more towards things of a sexual nature but not necessarily being submissive. It does attract a lot of submissive girls but not always. The new profile is very clear, very submissive only need apply. So far I am still in the M&G stage on that one. But it is getting some responses. The girl today was an NP first timer. The next one in line is an admitted UTR girl, but if she really is submissive, I dont give a shit. Some of the best sex I have had is from submissive UTR's.

Since work has slowed a little due to the holiday I am going to force myself to do as many M & G's as I can the next few days. At least one a day. The last 2 girls I clicked with both live far away and can't really see me that much. It's a good thing and a bad thing. You really got to have some tenacity to stay in this game.

here is tonites M&G. 5' 1" 105 23

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2197914]Since work has slowed a little due to the holiday I am going to force myself to do as many M & G's as I can the next few days. At least one a day. The last 2 girls I clicked with both live far away and can't really see me that much. It's a good thing and a bad thing. You really got to have some tenacity to stay in this game.[/QUOTE]I couldn't do it full time, even if I had infinite money. One of the things I always liked about civy dating is that every now and then you find a keeper that you want to date for many weeks, months or maybe longer. This makes dating feel more like a cyclical event, so you don't just feel constantly only the hunt, you get to take time off from the hunt, shut down the website profiles, ignore emails etc. Most of the girls I met, excluding the occasional one night stand, probably had about a 1-2 month cycle on average (the amount of time it took for us to either get tired of each other or something else to go sideways). I used to think sexual variety was everything, but for about a year I had a girlfriend that still stands out in my mind of some of the best sex I've ever had -- consistently, week after week, never got tired of each other things didn't work out for other reasons.

Working the SB scene feels like a grind to me. It's a lot of work, and the rewards can be great but there's still a massive work-to-reward ratio. It's fun once and a while but the sheer amount of effort it takes would burn me out. Best way to describe it is like vacation travel -- it's stressful but fun at the same time, it's worth it because of the change of scenery. The excitement of mixing up the routine temporarily makes living out of a suitcase, etc. Worthwhile. But, if I had to travel all the time and live out of a suitcase week to week, I don't think I could do it.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2197928]I couldn't do it full time, even if I had infinite money. One of the things I always liked about civy dating is that every now and then you find a keeper that you want to date for many weeks, months or maybe longer. This makes dating feel more like a cyclical event, so you don't just feel constantly only the hunt, you get to take time off from the hunt, shut down the website profiles, ignore emails etc. Most of the girls I met, excluding the occasional one night stand, probably had about a 1-2 month cycle on average (the amount of time it took for us to either get tired of each other or something else to go sideways). I used to think sexual variety was everything, but for about a year I had a girlfriend that still stands out in my mind of some of the best sex I've ever had -- consistently, week after week, never got tired of each other things didn't work out for other reasons.

Working the SB scene feels like a grind to me. It's a lot of work, and the rewards can be great but there's still a massive work-to-reward ratio. It's fun once and a while but the sheer amount of effort it takes would burn me out. Best way to describe it is like vacation travel -- it's stressful but fun at the same time, it's worth it because of the change of scenery. The excitement of mixing up the routine temporarily makes living out of a suitcase, etc. Worthwhile. But, if I had to travel all the time and live out of a suitcase week to week, I don't think I could do it.[/QUOTE]This is my only entertainment outside of work. Not into drugs or drinking. Don't really have any outside interests, hobbies or friends (all by choice). If I wasn't chasing girls I would just be watching TV. So for me its this or be bored. And I never seem to get bored of pussy. New or old as long as its tasty, wet and tight (and does what its told). I don't do the marraige, SO or GF thing so well either (they always have rules). This truly is my life.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2197955]This is my only entertainment outside of work. Not into drugs or drinking. Don't really have any outside interests, hobbies or friends (all by choice). If I wasn't chasing girls I would just be watching TV. So for me its this or be bored. And I never seem to get bored of pussy. New or old as long as its tasty, wet and tight (and does what its told). I don't do the marraige, SO or GF thing so well either (they always have rules). This truly is my life.[/QUOTE]As long as the rewards make the work worthwhile, I'd say keep doing what you're doing.