"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2169516]So I have been chatting it up with young girls off of SA and it hit me "what if they want to do a meet and greet, where do I take them?

Let's face it 99.9999% of the time the SD is going to be much older than the SB. I thought about dinner but I don't want a waiter constantly coming over and giving us looks like "yeah I know what's going on here".

So, if you were going to met someone who was extremely younger than you are and it's noticeable, where would you meet her?[/QUOTE]The waiter is only thinking about what kind of tip he's going to get, he's not judging you. It could be your daughter, niece, etc. for all he knows or cares. Just don't try to finger her knuckles deep at the table or anything and nobody will think twice about it.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2169516]
So, if you were going to met someone who was extremely younger than you are and it's noticeable, where would you meet her?[/QUOTE]I'm always a little self conscious about it too. I still do dinner sometimes, or coffee, or since it's hot out an ice cream place. My newest recently quit her job as a a waitress at one of the restaurants where I have met 5 or 6 girls for dinner, so I asked her what she thought when she served a couple with an obvious large age difference. I figured since she knows the deal it would have been obvious to her, but JL is right, she said she never thought twice about it. I have had a couple of male bartenders give me a smirk, and a guy once complimented me on my "lovely daughter", but hey, screw them, I'm taking her back to my place later and making her squeal.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2169661]I'm always a little self conscious about it too. I still do dinner sometimes, or coffee, or since it's hot out an ice cream place. My newest recently quit her job as a a waitress at one of the restaurants where I have met 5 or 6 girls for dinner, so I asked her what she thought when she served a couple with an obvious large age difference. I figured since she knows the deal it would have been obvious to her, but JL is right, she said she never thought twice about it. I have had a couple of male bartenders give me a smirk, and a guy once complimented me on my "lovely daughter", but hey, screw them, I'm taking her back to my place later and making her squeal.[/QUOTE]Thanks guys I needed a good laugh. Several months back I met up with the most beautiful woman. She was only 21 but still young looking. So we went out to dinner and during the meal My date went to the bathroom and our waiter, obviously one of those stupid frat guys, leaned over to me and said "dude your girl is super hot!" LOL.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2169661]but hey, screw them, I'm taking her back to my place later and making her squeal.[/QUOTE]On a semi-related note. Now that it's warmer weather, I've been to several venues where the young nymphets are out in their bikinis strutting their stuff. Either oblivious to their sex appeal or all too aware. In the not too distant past, this was a very depressing thing. I wasn't exactly a player in my youth, so I wasn't partaking of the goods back then, and these days it was all just a reminder of the unattainable being flaunted in my face.

But now, the hotties who wouldn't give me a second look don't phase me at all. Their loss, because I've got a baby every bit as hot as they are and I am [I]seriously[/I] rocking her world on a regular basis.

[QUOTE=Walruscl;2169767]On a semi-related note. Now that it's warmer weather, I've been to several venues where the young nymphets are out in their bikinis strutting their stuff. Either oblivious to their sex appeal or all too aware.[/QUOTE]All too aware. While there are attractive females out there who are unaware what they have, they are rare and tend to not expend effort revealing it.

The ones wearing bikinis already know full well what they have, and in the case of SBs are trying to figure out the monetary value of their assets before those assets depreciate with age.

That's part of what makes this whole game possible, the innate female desire to answer the question of "what's my pussy worth?" It's just a competitive thing they are born with. They want to place a number on it and that's why they like fishing for SB allowance. It helps quantify their value in their own mind to put a dollar amount on it.

The same ones you see walking around acting like they don't know they are hot in their bikinis are the same ones that will have about 35 duck-face-lip-pucker selfies on their FB account.

But none of the hot ones are ever oblivious to their appeal. They learn young what they have, then various men and other women remind them of it on a daily basis, especially in an always-online society. The ones acting like "who?? Me?? hot??" are the extra slick ones you need to watch even closer... LOL

Hey guys. Just entering the sugar bowl here in Boston. Spent the last few weeks on SA with decent success. Been reading through this thread and really appreciate all the great info you guys have contributed over the years.

Thanks, keep it up. Hope to have some contributions of my own soon.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2169777]All too aware. While there are attractive females out there who are unaware what they have, they are rare and tend to not expend effort revealing it.

The ones wearing bikinis already know full well what they have, and in the case of SBs are trying to figure out the monetary value of their assets before those assets depreciate with age.

But none of the hot ones are ever oblivious to their appeal. They learn young what they have, then various men and other women remind them of it on a daily basis, especially in an always-online society. The ones acting like "who?? Me?? hot??" are the extra slick ones you need to watch even closer... LOL[/QUOTE]Keep in mind that less than 5% of young college age girls would consider this lifestyle. In fact, they are grossed out by some "old" guy thinking about fucking them. They call us creepers. I agree they are out there trying to attract the guys attention, but usually age appropriate and in a look don't touch mode. How do I know this? I have a daughter, nieces and all their friends who talk about it amongst themselves. I am a fly on the wall listening to it laughing inside. I remember seeing a survey in some news article about SA a few years ago about what colleges have the highest participation rate with SA. Georgia was high on the list and I think the rate was 5% .

Looking to join SA and was looking for advice. Is the site worth joining? Any help is appreciated. I know you guys are the experts.

One of the joys of this hobby is getting to experience technique and different physical attributes. All woman are beautiful unto themselves. SB 20 is a 43 yo that I really thought would be a low ball one time deal. Told me she had been told she is tight (sure don't they all). But she has the tightest pussy! She likes to come over and start bydrink a beer and making out while sitting on my lap. I can feel her thighs getting wet and by the time she finished the beer and I lean her over the couch she is dripping. And off to the races. If I can get her into the third hole I am hooked. Says she has only done with her husband on coke so we are not going there that way! That will make for a way expensive date.

You never know!

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2170106]Keep in mind that less than 5% of young college age girls would consider this lifestyle. In fact, they are grossed out by some "old" guy thinking about fucking them. They call us creepers. I agree they are out there trying to attract the guys attention, but usually age appropriate and in a look don't touch mode. How do I know this? I have a daughter, nieces and all their friends who talk about it amongst themselves. I am a fly on the wall listening to it laughing inside. I remember seeing a survey in some news article about SA a few years ago about what colleges have the highest participation rate with SA. Georgia was high on the list and I think the rate was 5% .[/QUOTE]If you mean only 5% would put a profile on an SD site, then I can certainly believe it would be that low. But I was talking about hot women flaunting their bodies in general in the context of the prior posters' comments.

Hot women in general share certain common traits. Even if they don't join SD websites, the percentage of hot women that would gladly accept an older SD that will keep them safely in the lifestyle they would prefer is probably up around 90%. Even if they don't want an older guy, the percentage of hot women who care about the value of their appearance and their overall sex appeal is probably 99%. Girls will say and do one thing to their friends but then conduct their life in a completely different manner given the opportunity. It is in their nature to not reveal their pay for play fantasies.

That's more what I was talking about when I say they want to quantify the value of their pussy. That's just a female thing, not an SB thing necessarily.

About the top colleges for SB, I've seen a few of those articles (just google for "top sugarbaby colleges" or similar) and most of them list different schools from year to year. Like most "best of" lists, the methodology for coming up with the list tends to be heavily flawed and put together for one purpose only, to draw people to an article and get them to click the ads around the article, so it's really all one marketing scam. The only way I would believe any list that tells me they know which schools have the highest SB ratio per capita (the only way to calculate it in any meaningful way, because of course larger schools are going to have more sluts. Duh) would be if maybe SA or one of those sites sold them data on their membership based on the prevalence of particular. Edu domains in their e-mail address (SA for example gives college girls free premium access if they sign up with their college email address). And yes it's possible that SA does do that for some of these lists, but I think most of them are cooked up by marketing yutzes that just want to sell click bait ads.

One thing I have found helpful is referring to myself as Daddy in the 3rd person. This type of roleplay is very helpful in being able to communicate things on a more intimate level without getting too personal.

You can love your Daddy / Baby or do sexy things without feeling like you are letting go emotionally. I have also noticed the babies get much wetter when they are pleasing Daddy. And my ability to stay rock hard also increases.

I also suggest or have them assign an age to themselves that they are most comfortable with when pleasing Daddy. This really gets the ball rolling.

If you agreed a amount to SB then you don't think SB is worth that much, have you bargained or re-negotiated? Wondering. How to do it? Is it possible to do renegotiation. ? What do you say if answer is yes.

[QUOTE=MuffDiver72;2170138]Looking to join SA and was looking for advice. Is the site worth joining? Any help is appreciated. I know you guys are the experts.[/QUOTE]I think you will find it to be worth it if you play the game correctly. Be sure to first spend time reading thru this thread. There are many very valuable tips about negotiating with SB's in general. Make sure you create a profile that fits you first. I have had several SB's tell me that they run into far too many profiles that do not represent who they meet and that the photo is not current. Then troll thru and see if there are any SB's you are interested in talking to. If not, then wait a while before you pony up for a Premium Membership. Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2170649]If you agreed a amount to SB then you don't think SB is worth that much, have you bargained or re-negotiated? Wondering. How to do it? Is it possible to do renegotiation. ? What do you say if answer is yes.[/QUOTE]Tell her that your financial position has changed and that you need to make an adjustment. Tell her what that exact amount is, but tell her you think it will only be a temporary thing. If she doesn't go along with it, then you're going to have to either cut her loose or reduce the amount of times you see her. Personally, I have done this onlyonce and it worked out. I was going to do it another time but then chose to cut her loose instead.

Need some advice on how to play this one brothers. Met with a mid 20's potential today. She's probably about a 7 or 8 with a nice body. Met at a local bar around lunch time. Talked for about 30 minutes over a drink and then I walked to her to her car. Deep kiss turned pretty passionate and next thing I know we are in my car and I'm getting road head. Not more than 2 minutes into it she says, "this is going to cost you. " and immediately my UTR radar starts going off. I don't think she is, but that kind of rubbed me the wrong way. I stopped her then and told her we probably shouldn't continue doing that until we had something figured out. She agreed and we made tentative plans to meet in a couple of days.

I get a text from her early tonight asking if I can help her out. She needs a rental car for a 24 hour period sometime next week. She says the car will cost her $225 and wonders if I can help her with it. Turns out she doesn't have a CC so probably needs me to rent it. I looked online and rental cars for that day only cost $50. I'm trying to figure out a way I could rent that car for her for $50 in exchange for some fun this weekend with her. I obviously don't want to put the rental in my name because lord knows what she will do with it. Any thoughts on getting her a pre-paid card and renting it? She says she does have a debit card.

Would love any thoughts.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2170106]Keep in mind that less than 5% of young college age girls would consider this lifestyle. In fact, they are grossed out by some "old" guy thinking about fucking them. They call us creepers. I agree they are out there trying to attract the guys attention, but usually age appropriate and in a look don't touch mode. How do I know this? I have a daughter, nieces and all their friends who talk about it amongst themselves. I am a fly on the wall listening to it laughing inside. I remember seeing a survey in some news article about SA a few years ago about what colleges have the highest participation rate with SA. Georgia was high on the list and I think the rate was 5% .[/QUOTE]Maybe I'm blessed to live in a state and location where colleges are plentiful. I did some quick math, looking at just 7 of the local State Universities within a 20 mile radius. Combined undergrad enrollment is about 127,000. Assuming 1/2 are female (which latest reports show the trend is closer to 55%-60% female majority on most US campuses), we've got 63,500 ladies, which puts that tiny 5% POT at over 3100 potential Sugar Curious. Even 5% of the 5% would give me 3 a week to try out. And this is just the 7 local State Schools within 20 miles. Expand it to 100 miles, and I've got 16 State Schools, 57 private colleges and universities, and in a pinch, 63 community colleges. I'd clearly run outa Sugar FAR before I run out of options.

Bottom Line. I'm NEVER moving!

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2170682]Tell her that your financial position has changed and that you need to make an adjustment. Tell her what that exact amount is, but tell her you think it will only be a temporary thing. If she doesn't go along with it, then you're going to have to either cut her loose or reduce the amount of times you see her. Personally, I have done this onlyonce and it worked out. I was going to do it another time but then chose to cut her loose instead.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Yes, I have gone down on allowance. As it adds up. With all other expenses.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2170264]One thing I have found helpful is referring to myself as Daddy in the 3rd person. [/QUOTE]Historically I've been forced to play it by ear on the daddy talk. I can take it or leave it myself, but when it feels right I try to see if she's into it (you can usually tell right away) because it can be a lot of fun. Some seem to not be into it or haven't thought about it yet, or they just don't respond when I start with the daddy talk.

You would think that only females would ever have a problem with it and that all guys would find it fun, but my best friend told me when a girl calls him daddy in bed it immediately turns him off. So, I guess there's no accounting for what people are into.

In general though anytime you can tap into something that makes her feel like she has a license to play without feeling judged, you'll get the best sex she has to offer. One of the great things about the bowl is that all SD's are getting better sex from the girls than their regular boyfriends ever do, because when they are in love with a guy or pining for a future with him, they are less likely to unleash their inner naughty(sluty) self.

Many times I've found myself having better / hornier / more intense sex with a girl when she has a look that I like but a personality that I don't care for, and could never see myself dating. Not sure why but it creates a separation that can intensify the sex.

[QUOTE=LandonR;2170790]Need some advice on how to play this one brothers. Met with a mid 20's potential today. She's probably about a 7 or 8 with a nice body. Met at a local bar around lunch time. Talked for about 30 minutes over a drink and then I walked to her to her car. Deep kiss turned pretty passionate and next thing I know we are in my car and I'm getting road head. Not more than 2 minutes into it she says, "this is going to cost you. " and immediately my UTR radar starts going off. I don't think she is, but that kind of rubbed me the wrong way. I stopped her then and told her we probably shouldn't continue doing that until we had something figured out. She agreed and we made tentative plans to meet in a couple of days.

I get a text from her early tonight asking if I can help her out. She needs a rental car for a 24 hour period sometime next week. She says the car will cost her $225 and wonders if I can help her with it. Turns out she doesn't have a CC so probably needs me to rent it. I looked online and rental cars for that day only cost $50. I'm trying to figure out a way I could rent that car for her for $50 in exchange for some fun this weekend with her. I obviously don't want to put the rental in my name because lord knows what she will do with it. Any thoughts on getting her a pre-paid card and renting it? She says she does have a debit card.

Would love any thoughts.[/QUOTE]Big Mistake.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2171004]Big Mistake.[/QUOTE]Seconded. It puts you at an insane amount of liability.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2171004]Big Mistake.[/QUOTE]Trouble all the way around. Move on.

Don't do it.

[QUOTE=LandonR;2170790]Need some advice on how to play this one brothers. Met with a mid 20's potential today. She's probably about a 7 or 8 with a nice body. Met at a local bar around lunch time. Talked for about 30 minutes over a drink and then I walked to her to her car. Deep kiss turned pretty passionate and next thing I know we are in my car and I'm getting road head. Not more than 2 minutes into it she says, "this is going to cost you. " and immediately my UTR radar starts going off. I don't think she is, but that kind of rubbed me the wrong way. I stopped her then and told her we probably shouldn't continue doing that until we had something figured out. She agreed and we made tentative plans to meet in a couple of days.

I get a text from her early tonight asking if I can help her out. She needs a rental car for a 24 hour period sometime next week. She says the car will cost her $225 and wonders if I can help her with it. Turns out she doesn't have a CC so probably needs me to rent it. I looked online and rental cars for that day only cost $50. I'm trying to figure out a way I could rent that car for her for $50 in exchange for some fun this weekend with her. I obviously don't want to put the rental in my name because lord knows what she will do with it. Any thoughts on getting her a pre-paid card and renting it? She says she does have a debit card.

Would love any thoughts.[/QUOTE]Because it will be just the first drop of a storm of shit if you help that girl. This is one that you need to drop and walk away. Cancel that. Run for your Fkning life!

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2169516]So I have been chatting it up with young girls off of SA and it hit me "what if they want to do a meet and greet, where do I take them?

Let's face it 99.9999% of the time the SD is going to be much older than the SB. I thought about dinner but I don't want a waiter constantly coming over and giving us looks like "yeah I know what's going on here".

So, if you were going to met someone who was extremely younger than you are and it's noticeable, where would you meet her?[/QUOTE]I have really never had any problems with meeting a hot young college gal at a restaurant. Except for one, I have never had a sugar baby say anything about meeting me in a public place. I did have one gal that didn't want to meet at a restaurant because she said that she was a waitress. She said that anytime an older guy comes in with a young hottie all the waitresses talk about it being a SD / SB hook up. I can't believe that this happens as much as she indicated it did. Plus she didn't even live near to where we were suppose to meet. So who cares what a bunch of air head waitresses / waiters are saying if you don't know any of them?? I found her to be too loopy, so I never met her.

[QUOTE=LandonR;2170790]Need some advice on how to play this one brothers. Met with a mid 20's potential today. She's probably about a 7 or 8 with a nice body. Met at a local bar around lunch time. Talked for about 30 minutes over a drink and then I walked to her to her car. Deep kiss turned pretty passionate and next thing I know we are in my car and I'm getting road head. Not more than 2 minutes into it she says, "this is going to cost you. " and immediately my UTR radar starts going off.[/QUOTE]I only had to read that far to know you were in the danger zone.

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_yj-ZNi9DI[/URL]

Run.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2171004]Big Mistake.[/QUOTE]Ditto. This is just asking for trouble. Think with the BIG head on this one.

I have had cars wrecked and even three complete totals loaning girls my car. Yes the insurance covered it but never again. Once I rented a car for a girl and the car was stolen (not her fault). But still a mess.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2170106]Keep in mind that less than 5% of young college age girls would consider this lifestyle. In fact, they are grossed out by some "old" guy thinking about fucking them. They call us creepers. I agree they are out there trying to attract the guys attention, but usually age appropriate and in a look don't touch mode. How do I know this? I have a daughter, nieces and all their friends who talk about it amongst themselves. I am a fly on the wall listening to it laughing inside. I remember seeing a survey in some news article about SA a few years ago about what colleges have the highest participation rate with SA. Georgia was high on the list and I think the rate was 5% .[/QUOTE]It is a different world now for us older guys when there were just " good girls " and " bad girls " . The covers of Cosmopolitan magazine are a good indicator of today's mindset, always articles on how you can " blow his mind " , " be his best ever " etc. Etc. , but you get the drift these young ladies (I think their target demographic may be too young to even be legal) are taught from a young age that their value is based on their sexual attractiveness / sexual prowess. They are well aware of their sexuality, and have amazing skills and willingness to experiment.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2171699]I only had to read that far to know you were in the danger zone.

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_yj-ZNi9DI[/URL]

Run.[/QUOTE]As a guy who has endured 100's of hours of sales training I loved this.

[QUOTE=Rome400;2172295]As a guy who has endured 100's of hours of sales training I loved this.[/QUOTE]Just remember to watchout for redheads, strippers, girls named tiffany. Oh yeah and hair dressers. LOL.

I got bored so I sent a follow up message to maybe 20 girls. First this.

"I guess I wasn't offering enough $. But I am a giver. ".

They are slowly responding back. Everything from I need $800 to some general form of conversation.

Then I sent them this.

"Every girl on here is looking for 3 things to varying degrees.

1 - financial support.

2 - physical support.

3 - emotional support.

The greater the need for reason 1, the less attention is paid to reasons 2 and 3.

The greater the need for reason 2, the less attention is paid to reasons 1 and 3.

The greater the need for reason 3, the less attention is paid to reasons 1 and 2.

I try to provide a balance between all three reasons as a basis to meet someone. Enough money to say I am not trying to get something for nothing. Real chemistry. I have an understanding and giving nature and years of experience in taking care of girls and anticipating their needs.

I don't judge what anyone wants and I don't pretend to be able to meet everyones expectations. I use SD4 M as more of a regular dating site but to meet younger girls that want some help with their bills, have sexual needs and fantasies that can be spontaneously explored in a safe environment, and with someone that could be a real friend even if its mostly for the financial and physical benefits. But a friend nonetheless.

Whats your motivation?"

I got 1 M&G so far.

Ok, S. O. And company out of town for about 5 days coming up. Last time, I pinned all my hopes on my original SB and came up pretty much empty. So this time, I have cast a large net. I have been chatting up now a total of 4 girls. The first one I mentioned before and is my main focus but he seems almost TGTBT. Young, very pretty, and her body is my type 100%. We have a date scheduled and I am about 50% confident it will happen although some convos she seems really interested in me and others not so much. She hasn't mentioned dollars at all and seems like she is in this as much for an escape from her home life as much as anything else.

I have another date scheduled with another girl, who is actually pretty similar to pot #1, young, fit and pretty. However, she seems a little more unstable in both mood and current situation. She also runs hot and cold. In our first conversation, she told me unprompted that she loves older men, loves sex, and so why not meet older guys and have sex. She also talked dollar expectations which were not unreasonable. Then a week later she is questioning my motives with her and am I after sex and not to expect that from her. I haven't mentioned sex once to her so it kind of caught me off guard. So I silent on her and now she is all fun, fun, joy, joy and seems real eager to meet. Not sure if this a game, or just a little nutty. But since she is young, fit, and pretty, I am going to role the dice.

The other two, I met off WYP, which I am new to. One is young, fit, and decent but hasn't chatted much so I don't have a read. She did suggest we meet kind of spur of the moment so I think she is sincere but I couldn't do it and suggested a later date and still waiting to hear back. Not sure on this one but she seems like a little bit of a wild child, so I will play it out.

The fourth has been very chatter, appears very eager and a lot of sex talk. She is young, nice face, but not fit so still debating on where to go with this one. I won't pursue unless 1, 2, and 3 fall through.

As far as meeting place. There is never going to be a perfect spot, be it a parking lot, mall, restaurant. It all comes down to the level of risk you are willing to engage in.

I've been on SA off and on for the last 5-6 years, I've received some views, mail and been " favorited " by a few cute college types in the last couple of weeks. So I am wondering if anyone has current experience in the Charlottesville SA bowl. I'd like to know if they are flakes or fakes before I renew my premium membership. Any info, good or bad, would be appreciated. I can reciprocate with some background, and more if I join.

I have a SO, so I need a girl who (once trust has been established) would be glad to have me stop by her place mid day during the week. Hard to find, but I've had it before and I hope to be able to find it again.

You are the man!!

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2173253]I got bored so I sent a follow up message to maybe 20 girls. First this.

"I guess I wasn't offering enough $. But I am a giver. ".

They are slowly responding back. Everything from I need $800 to some general form of conversation.

Then I sent them this.

"Every girl on here is looking for 3 things to varying degrees.

1 - financial support.

2 - physical support.

3 - emotional support.

The greater the need for reason 1, the less attention is paid to reasons 2 and 3.

The greater the need for reason 2, the less attention is paid to reasons 1 and 3.

The greater the need for reason 3, the less attention is paid to reasons 1 and 2.

I try to provide a balance between all three reasons as a basis to meet someone. Enough money to say I am not trying to get something for nothing. Real chemistry. I have an understanding and giving nature and years of experience in taking care of girls and anticipating their needs.

I don't judge what anyone wants and I don't pretend to be able to meet everyones expectations. I use SD4 M as more of a regular dating site but to meet younger girls that want some help with their bills, have sexual needs and fantasies that can be spontaneously explored in a safe environment, and with someone that could be a real friend even if its mostly for the financial and physical benefits. But a friend nonetheless.

Whats your motivation?"

I got 1 M&G so far.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EasyGoingJ;2172233]It is a different world now for us older guys when there were just " good girls " and " bad girls " . The covers of Cosmopolitan magazine are a good indicator of today's mindset, always articles on how you can " blow his mind " , " be his best ever " etc. Etc. , but you get the drift these young ladies (I think their target demographic may be too young to even be legal) are taught from a young age that their value is based on their sexual attractiveness / sexual prowess. They are well aware of their sexuality, and have amazing skills and willingness to experiment.[/QUOTE]The younger generations grew up with easy access to porn (so easy that it would be hard for them to get away with it), whereas there was a time decades back when I can remember having to literally teach girls how to give a BJ because they had never seen it done, as in never saw a porno apparently (there is an iconic scene in the movie "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" that some of you might remember where Phoebe Cates is showing Jennifer Jason Leigh how to do it using a carrot at the lunch table -- it wasn't that far off from the reality of the day).

This access to porn has really changed things -- for better in some ways and worse in others. Good in the sense that there is a tremendous amount of sexual experimentation, freedom, and efficiency of hookup thanks to the Internet. On the other hand, I've met girls that literally learned what they know about sex from watching porn, so they try to re-enact what porn stars do (spitting, making gagging noises while sucking, etc.). While I admire the activities themselves, I really wish some of these ladies would be themselves sexually and focus on what really turns them on rather than trying to imitate something they've seen in fictitious porn films. Ever notice how everyone's a "squirter" these days? Most of these girls don't know the difference between true squirting and "gushing" (essentially pissing). They don't realize that professional porn stars have to practice this, often using the insertion of water in order to give the impression of a massive "splash" orgasm. Yes some girls let their bladder go during orgasm, but true female ejaculant as recorded by medical science is pretty much never like that. But, these girls don't care, they've seen lots of porn with "squirters" that are spraying about a half pint of water so they think they need to keep up and be a squirter too.

Like I said, there is good and bad to this kind of changing times. Sometimes I look at the clothes women wore back in the '80's, like jeans that really revealed their shape and gave us a good idea what their ass would look like once you peeled the jeans off. Then sometime around the mid 90's they started coming out with low hip hugging jeans that basically make every girls ass look kind of flat and square shaped. Makes it harder to know who you really want sitting on your face and who you don't. Then there's the whole tattoo thing -- in modest amounts there was a time the right tattoo on the right woman was kind of sexy, but when every whale you see at Walmart is all inked up it sort of takes some of the mystique and allure out of it I think.

But, you're right. There are really no good and bad girls anymore. They're pretty much all "bad" now but in a "good" way, depending on one's perspective and position in life I guess.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2174237]The younger generations grew up with easy access to porn (so easy that it would be hard for them to get away with it), whereas there was a time decades back when I can remember having to literally teach girls how to give a BJ because they had never seen it done, as in never saw a porno apparently (there is an iconic scene in the movie "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" that some of you might remember where Phoebe Cates is showing Jennifer Jason Leigh how to do it using a carrot at the lunch table -- it wasn't that far off from the reality of the day).

This access to porn has really changed things -- for better in some ways and worse in others. Good in the sense that there is a tremendous amount of sexual experimentation, freedom, and efficiency of hookup thanks to the Internet. On the other hand, I've met girls that literally learned what they know about sex from watching porn, so they try to re-enact what porn stars do (spitting, making gagging noises while sucking, etc.). While I admire the activities themselves, I really wish some of these ladies would be themselves sexually and focus on what really turns them on rather than trying to imitate something they've seen in fictitious porn films. Ever notice how everyone's a "squirter" these days? Most of these girls don't know the difference between true squirting and "gushing" (essentially pissing). They don't realize that professional porn stars have to practice this, often using the insertion of water in order to give the impression of a massive "splash" orgasm. Yes some girls let their bladder go during orgasm, but true female ejaculant as recorded by medical science is pretty much never like that. But, these girls don't care, they've seen lots of porn with "squirters" that are spraying about a half pint of water so they think they need to keep up and be a squirter too.

Like I said, there is good and bad to this kind of changing times. Sometimes I look at the clothes women wore back in the '80's, like jeans that really revealed their shape and gave us a good idea what their ass would look like once you peeled the jeans off. Then sometime around the mid 90's they started coming out with low hip hugging jeans that basically make every girls ass look kind of flat and square shaped. Makes it harder to know who you really want sitting on your face and who you don't. Then there's the whole tattoo thing -- in modest amounts there was a time the right tattoo on the right woman was kind of sexy, but when every whale you see at Walmart is all inked up it sort of takes some of the mystique and allure out of it I think.

But, you're right. There are really no good and bad girls anymore. They're pretty much all "bad" now but in a "good" way, depending on one's perspective and position in life I guess.[/QUOTE]I ask every girl if she is going to be a good girl for daddy while we are in bed.

Good Girl. These girls only have one daddy (usually). They do what they are told in bed. They want daddy's approval, and actually need it to be content and satisfied in and out of the bedroom. A good UTR will play along (in bed only) but it actually does enhance the experience for both partners. There are what they call sammi's (look it up). I just don't have any of those right now. Although it could be fun.

Bad Girl. Have multiple daddies. Don't do what they are told. And really don't need daddy's approval to be happy. And don't really want a daddy. They may want a sugar daddy. But not a loving dominant daddy.

At this point in the bowl I only want good girls that need daddy's approval, and have full trust in him, so they can be the naughty little princesses they aspire to be. Something they all fantasize about and that no guy under maybe 50 could accomplish. As age is just as important as attitude.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2174367]I ask every girl if she is going to be a good girl for daddy while we are in bed.

Good Girl. These girls only have one daddy (usually). They do what they are told in bed. They want daddy's approval, and actually need it to be content and satisfied in and out of the bedroom. A good UTR will play along (in bed only) but it actually does enhance the experience for both partners. There are what they call sammi's (look it up). I just don't have any of those right now. Although it could be fun.

Bad Girl. Have multiple daddies. Don't do what they are told. And really don't need daddy's approval to be happy. And don't really want a daddy. They may want a sugar daddy. But not a loving dominant daddy.

At this point in the bowl I only want good girls that need daddy's approval, and have full trust in him, so they can be the naughty little princesses they aspire to be. Something they all fantasize about and that no guy under maybe 50 could accomplish. As age is just as important as attitude.[/QUOTE]Heh. Yeah but I see that as good and bad in the role playing sense. In that case they can be whatever they choose to be (or daddy wants them to be) that day like someone can be Spiderman at those comic conventions if they want. It's like putting on a costume. When I said there's no good and bad anymore, I just meant in the sense of the previous poster's comment. There used to be girls who wouldn't fuck just because there was a stigma around fucking if you weren't in a serious relationship. I haven't even heard of one of those in a long time.

Several years back I actually met online, and three hours later after a few drinks downtown had in my bed a genuine virgin (grad student). Her hymen was still so thick you couldn't get a finger past it without ripping her cherry open. Yet, despite being extremely cute, she had not been fucked yet -- and she jumped into bed with a guy she met on the Internet just that day. It's not that she was unwilling or saving it for marriage, she just had not yet encountered someone with the "salesmanship" to get her into bed yet (me). I don't even know what the odds are of a nice looking girl making it into her 20's with her virginity in tact these days, but the fact that when a unicorn is found, that they will climb into bed with someone they just met that day says a lot about the upper-end of possibilities of todays "good girl". A dying breed for the most part.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2174386]There used to be girls who wouldn't fuck just because there was a stigma around fucking if you weren't in a serious relationship. [/QUOTE]The girls I am refering to can't achieve their full sexual potential without these dynamics. The true submissive SB's I speak of are not role playing. It's more of a lifestyle. The UTR's are role playing sometimes to earn their fee and the hope of a repeat visit. I even started using this with my MILF and I would say our intensity level went up at least a third to 50%. And that was after 2 years of being together.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2174406]The girls I am refering to can't achieve their full sexual potential without these dynamics. The true submissive SB's I speak of are not role playing. It's more of a lifestyle. The UTR's are role playing sometimes to earn their fee and the hope of a repeat visit. I even started using this with my MILF and I would say our intensity level went up at least a third to 50%. And that was after 2 years of being together.[/QUOTE]The BDSM community probably has a different definition of role playing than I do, and perhaps mine isn't correct, but to me if she's calling someone daddy that is not in fact her father, that's role playing rather than reality.

Been on four dates so far. She hasn't logged on to the SD site since I met her. So far so good.