"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

With regard to nudity, I've noticed the same thing about strippers in general, and my SB in particular. She'll be stripping her clothes off sometimes even before I have the door shut. I've met her at her house several times to pick her up, and there has been more than one occasion where I'm a little early, and she hasn't gotten dressed yet, lounging around in her skin when nobody else is home. She vastly prefers naked to dressed as well. And frankly, [I]I [/I]vastly prefer naked to dressed. On her, anyway. (:

As for raw doggin' it, we've been going bareback for the better part of two years now, and no pulling out for the climax, either. That was [I]her [/I]idea, by the way. Apparently I get a little, um, carried away when I cum, and she likes it that way. Stupid, I know, but it's just so tough to pass it up. When we part, it's going to be difficult for me to go back to using condoms, I'm sure.

I get tested every couple of months when I give blood, and she gets tested regularly too. No worries about pregnancy, either, I've been shooting blanks since before she was in kindergarten.

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So this week is starting off with a bang already. I have been working on my profile and my offer letter and I am trying to get a good follow up letter put together also.

Review of the SB and POT SB's.

RSCSB1 F: We had a really good session last week and she has mellowed somewhat on the drinking and smoking and we are getting closer and closer. Lot more texts with Miss you, want you kind of stuff. She does not like the dirty talk except when in the FC. But today I got a desperate text from her saying her phone was going to be turned of and she needed help. Slipping back into NANDO 1 territory. I waited a long while and when I responded I said I may be able to get together with her late in the week if at all. Did not want to reward bad behavior. She told me last week that she wanted to buy a boat and a horse. Man talk about lack of financial planning. Anyway I would like to keep seeing her she is an absolutely beautiful blond, with a juicy pussy but I don't know. I am really busy and she is getting clingly and needy.

I won't go through the other stripper POT SB's but just to say radio silence on these.

Now for new POTs. One called CH, was real fun and flirty we really hit it off. I could tell she was perfect as a SB she had two SDs before and could banter great. Excellent chemistry. OK body but no picture of her face on SA. So I asked for Pics and bam, not good. Now I am not a snob. But if I am going to do this and spend all of this money she has to look at least somewhat good. She is young, decent body 7-8, but the head, ouch. Have you ever heard of the term butterface? You know when you say she has a nice body but her face. So I am distancing myself from her.

Then there is a new one well call her RSB2, we have liftoff. Yes it happened. Not positive she is not a semi pro though. She works at a strip club. I would have never known if she did not tell me. But I met her on SA. Have not found her pics anywhere else. She is a 38 yo MILF. Very cute kind of a pie face. Blond blue eyed, about a 7 body and a 7. 5 head, great attitude. Not as good looking as F. But absolutely no drama. So we meet at a Starbucks. Dude if you are not doing Starbucks you are not getting laid. This is the place.

Anyway we have a nice conversation and she is wearing a very conservative black dress, and cute little wedges. And her dress is unbuttoned just to enough to make you look. Nice breasts. So we talk for about an hour and I work all the charm I could and she is very level not over the top, but I can see she is warming up. I say lets get together later in the week. And she readily agrees. No discussion of sugar. After we leave she texts me and says she can take her kids to her mother and meet me later in the afternoon. The she says she is "feeling very sexual today" and that she has needs too. So I go to my business meeting and then text her back we arrange the meet at a hotel. Love hotwire.

She gets there and man the door closes and we are over each other like a cheap suit. She tells me that she really likes to have her nipples played with. No problem there. Awesome tits with hat hangers for nipples. Suffice it to say it worked out great. I am completely drained of semen. She was so juicy I had to clear some out of the way a couple of times. She came twice and I went through a three pack. You damn right I am braggin. I am 52! And if you did three in a 1 1/2 hour time period I would be slapping you a high five. Hell I haven't came with my wife 3 times in the last month! I am really starting to like this hobby. One last thing. As I was leaving I checked the mirror and we had started off making out with her naked and me with my nice dress pants still on. She was so wet and we were pushed up against each other. She left pussy juice on the front of my pants. Double check in the mirror.

Oh well the warden is coming home. More to tell on another report. But just a hint of things to come. There are some hot ones in the hopper. And one is a real model.

Stay tuned. Stay safe. Stay under the radar.

Revvo

I got quite a few topics I'd like to comment on, but so little time so I'll post just a few bits for now.

Anyway, I'm one of those guys who struggles to perform with latex, so if the situation and the girl feels right, I'm open to going bare. For me, pregnancy would be a bigger issue than a STD. All the mild STDs have antibotics and the severe stuff usually require there to be open sores present and a dangerous lifestyle (drugs, needles, and etc). Also the SO and I already have kids and not looking for more, so even if I passed something on to her while horrible it wouldn't be the end of the world. However, knocking up a SB would create more problems for me in my view. However statistically pulling out when done correctly is only 1-2% less effective than using condoms in terms of pregnancy prevention. So if my main concern is pregnancy, condoms don't really add that much protection compared to pulling out. So as long as I get the vibe that she's not a pro or a Nando1, then I'll roll the dice and go bare. (I'm thinking also about just getting my boys snipped if I can get over the psychological issue of having my boys snipped.)

I also tend to go after 18-22 year-old SBs. Unless they're pros or Nando1's they usually have pretty low mileage. Quite a few of the girls I encountered, had just a couple of long-term boyfriends and they finally wanted to be with a man who wasn't broke.

That said, I've only gone bare with 3 SBs and I stopped with one of them. There's a risk that if the SB gets too active in the sugar world, she'll start banging other SDs bare and pick up who knows what. This is kinda what happened to our dear friend Joe on this board. So if I'm going bare with a SB, I need to have a very good idea what other guys she may be sleeping with. Having access to their FB page and talking regularly via txt is a good way to gauge this. If she's constantly complaining about money problems which you can't fulfill and she has a lot of idle time, then there's a good chance she may be seeing another SD. It's also why I like Busy Babies. Busy Babies have far less time to maintain a roundtable of SDs. So even if they would like a little more money from you, they simply don't have the time to go on M&Gs and FCs with other SDs. Well that's the theory anyway.

So I pretty much ended things with my now ex-ATF SB. She basically became a Nando1. When we started up, she had an apartment (with roommates) , going to school, and looking for a job. But by the end, she had already gone back home (which she was getting kicked out of) , left school, and still couldn't find a job. She was having a lot of idle time and asking me for more and more money. She also started talking to me less except when she needed money (which wasn't the case before). When I told her I was looking for another SB, she actually wanted to get back together, but I got a bad vibe and just passed. Glad I never went bare with her, my suspicions were later confirmed that she was quite promiscuous with some shady characters.

[b]Backseat SB[/b]

After all the drama, I wanted to get back to some simplicity. I've recently gone back to my now 20-year-old (she was 19 when we met) SB from the summer who I hooked up with once a week in the car. I'll call her Backseat SB because that's pretty much the only place where we've been together. After a 2 month break (when I was seeing my ex-ATF SB) , we're now back on the weekly routine. I do go bare with this girl and I'm contemplating having her go on birth control. I may propose giving her a little extra per- week if she goes on birth control. This way I don't have to worry about pregnancies and I can finish inside. I just wish we had a little more mental chemistry. When she's not rocking my world in the backseat of my car, the conversation is very strained. So I don't really want to take her anywhere or go anywhere. Even meeting in an FC might be painful. For what it is, we have a good thing going. She's extremely busy with school and work (which I confirmed through Facebook) and she basically hits me up once a week for extra spending cash (I never initiate contact).

[b]Caretaker SB[/b]

This was actually my second ever SB from a year ago. She's 19 now (18 when we met) and I recently contacted her to fire things up again. She's a nursing student (aren't they all) and she takes care of her large family. What was nice about her was that she also took care of my needs and was the constant pleaser. I really shouldn't have dropped her, but I was new to the game so like most newbies to the sugar bowl I was sampling as much sugar as I possibly could. And she was maybe a "7" in the looks department, so she got lost in the shuffle while I was trying to reach for higher. But we actually got a long pretty well, she was great in bed, and wasn't really active in the sugar sites. So I'm giving her another shot and we're actually going to do an overnight this weekend. It's actually going to be my first overnight. Unlike many of you, I don't have business out of town so overnights would catch the attention of the warden. However I've been carefully molding my schedule so an occasional overnighter won't raise too many flags with the warden. So I'm hoping it goes well this weekend.

Otherwise things are beginning to quiet down and it's mostly by choice. I did do a mad dash on SA and SDFM the past couple of weeks, but didn't really find what I was looking for. Also I'm a little bit fatigued now by the Sugar Bowl, so for the next month or so, I'm going to stick with Backseat SB (who I'll see weekly) and Caretaker SB (who I'll see 1-2x a month). It's funny after all my sugar adventures, I'm basically back to the first few original SBs I started out with last year. All the new and recent connections are now dormant or tossed aside.

So I think I'll hang tight for the rest of winter. I'll maybe go on a new hunt around Spring Break.

Wow, just had this discussion with MsOxyMoron, she's getting them and I'm paying. Get this, she says she's never done it without condoms. So this should be fun. I think the BC will come before she gets a place, I can't wait to see her reaction.

BigTigg.

[QUOTE=John G Smith;1664637]I do go bare with this girl and I'm contemplating having her go on birth control. I may propose giving her a little extra per- week if she goes on birth control. This way I don't have to worry about pregnancies and I can finish inside.[/QUOTE]

Hi Gents. I have been playing mostly on CL, and did have some luck but it is becoming a graveyard. I've tried SA and SD4M and had very little luck. Perhaps my profile and sales pitch were very inefficient. I like to give these venues another try and would greatly appreciate any help I can get from you master fishermen. What do you say in your profile and offer letters? Please feel free to PM me if you like to lend a helping hand. Thanks

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;1664948]Hi Gents. I have been playing mostly on CL, and did have some luck but it is becoming a graveyard. I've tried SA and SD4M and had very little luck. Perhaps my profile and sales pitch were very inefficient. I like to give these venues another try and would greatly appreciate any help I can get from you master fishermen. What do you say in your profile and offer letters? Please feel free to PM me if you like to lend a helping hand. Thanks[/QUOTE]I like SD4ME. Be direct as possible without being vulgar. Works for me.

You know I forgot a lot of things over the years. But one memory was brought back to me today. That is how pleasant it can be to spend a nice sunny morning just chatting and getting to know a beautiful young woman. No pretense, no bullshit, no money negotiation. Just a nice couple of hours talking about what we wanted to talk about. With the ultimate possibility of there being much more. So I saw this profile on SA of a cute but not that great little blond pixie type about 24 yo. But her profile was not great. So I thought to myself. Why the hell not. So I texted her and we had some good banter and so we set up a meet. I gave it 20% chance she would show. We will call her POT RSB3.

Even though we have not hit it yet. I think chances are good we could. So she texted me the night before our scheduled coffee meet, and the morning also. Very prompt and efficient. Once again no bullshit. So I wait and then she is there. Cute as can be I could not believe those were her pictures. She was easily a 9 head and a very sweet little 8. 5 spinner body. A bit on the thin side. But Everything is in the right place. Total amateur I could tell she has never done this before. Actually she said she has only met a couple men and they were awful. I don't know what men are thinking. This girl is very intelligent, reserved, kind of quiet. Kind of watching me. So I started up the charm machine, but I did not need to. We just talked about everything and anything. It was great. Slowly I could see the sexual tension building.

But wait this one could take a while. Even though she is hurting for money. It aint going to happen quickly. But I think my chances are 80% at this point. Considering I only gave her 20% of showing for the meet and greet. We have a lunch date on Friday. We are going to go someplace nice and get her a nice meal and some wine. No FC though. Got to work this for a while and I really am not worrying about it. This is great. I should have done this a long time ago.

I have another meet and greet for tomorrow. Coffee and she is really cute in the pictures. Call her POT RSB4. Kind of Italian looking. Nice body and a great funny personality. We have talked on the phone extensively and chemistry is building. Women need emotional tension. Gents if you are not giving her emotional tension. You are missing out. This one is very much an amateur who has had a bad experience also. I have been treating them good and they are responding well to it. I don't think my profile or offer letter are very effective. But once I get the nibble. My chances go way up. By the way she is not getting too frisky yet either. But she did tell me how much sex she wants and how most men cannot keep up with her. I told her I am up for the job.

On to the blond MILF that I had the marathon fuck session on Monday with. She has texted me twice to come fuck her again. I am going to hold off. She is a very reliable fuck. But I don't see her as long term. Besides she drained me of all fluids. I have to recharge. More of a good standby in a dry spell. I'm such a working girl!

Got to go. Work calls and POT RSB3 is texting me.

Stay safe, stay cool, stay undercover.

Revvo

I have found, in my area, Chicago, that the SD4ME babies are a little skankier, while the SA ones are more skittish, but of a consitently higher quality. Sign up for both, with the caveat that SD4ME will bill your sorry ass each month until you cancel that credit card. Read back through the clubhouse journal and you will see various brothers' attempts to deal with it.

Good luck, and don't forget to write!

Scott

Hi Guys, (and Girl),

I am a long time lurker and participant in the sex scene in most of its manifestations. I began with strip clubs and evolved through CL, BP, hookers, then SB. Thanks to all the advice you all have imparted on this site I feel like I have a PHD in Sexanomics.

Without dragging through the past successes as well as failures I will impart a few of my latest explorations.

My budget and available time allows for one or two nights / week playtime since I travel for work and have an excuse to be on parole. Since I cut my teeth on hourly workers I now prefer under 30 yr old naive SBs.

SB fail #1 off SA was a 26 single mom who agreed to travel to me for $$$ overnight. We exchanged multiple texts, pictures, and talked on the phone for a week. It sounded fabulous and I gave it a 80 % chance of occurring. She was an 7-7-8 in hooker parlance 7 face. 7 body. 8 attitude. I was thrilled to land my 1st possible regular since she wanted a reg. Well, the day came and texted and called to no avail. She didn't call until the next day to cancel or reschedule, and just said she was busy. Obviously she got a better deal. When she called to reschedule I wisely blew her off. Bummer for a starter.

SB # 2 is realized. She is a 25 yr old wf off SA She is an 8-8-8. We texted and talked for a week and met in her apartment where she resides alone. She is a part time student and seems naive but has no visible means of support and no job. Hmmm, I am hopeful but not born yesterday so I wonder if she has another SD or two. Maybe daddy is supporting her. I prefer a monogamous relationship for several reasons. She does not seem to be promiscuous and is actually not sexually experienced or talented, but young vaginas are just too much fun to pass up. We continue to see each other once / week for $1000 / mo. We go out a lot but do spend time in and I stay all night. She is not warm and romantic so I think she is keeping an emotional separation. I prefer a more romantic attitude. Hey! It is mostly acting so do the best you can right?

SB pot # 3 I am exploring AM since these girls are generally "free" I would like to find a girl or two who just want to step out on daddy for a fuck occasionally. In that vein I am talking to a 35 yr old wf 7-7? She seems attractive enough but not a young hottie that I like. Still, if I can bag her for run around the FC I will. Stay posted. We're getting to the text phase.

SB fail #4 Is an 18 yr old HCB 9-9? Perhaps I shouldn't report on anyone I haven't met but this one was was a college frosh full time-barely legal and the texting was hot and heavy for several days. When I came up with a concrete plan for FC visitation soon she flaked. She responded that she was a classy girl and didn't have sex on the first date. Sooo, being creative I suggested that the first visit would entail 2 dates. First would be dinner followed by date two in the FC. I think it was too aggressive for her but the drive was 3 1/2 hrs and I was not going there without a guarantee that we were going to be intimate. As someone said you have to make your intentions known without being rude What is it about these girls who want money from us older men but won't put out? Are there guys who actually pay for only arm candy? Not me!

So that's it for now!

[QUOTE=Fredmoore;1666355]What is it about these girls who want money from us older men but won't put out? Are there guys who actually pay for only arm candy? Not me![/QUOTE]Bravo Fredmoore! Make these garden tools put in some work!

SubCmdr Out!

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1664885]Wow, just had this discussion with MsOxyMoron, she's getting them and I'm paying. Get this, she says she's never done it without condoms. So this should be fun. I think the BC will come before she gets a place, I can't wait to see her reaction.

BigTigg.[/QUOTE]BigTigg, I forgot to mention what you're about to setup with the apartment is pretty much the ideal setup I'd like to have someday. Pay maybe 500 - 800 for a studio apartment per month located somewhat nearby and then show up just about whenever I please. As others have mentioned, it has to be someone you won't get bored of for 6-12 months, but with the right girl it can be the perfect setup. Wish you good luck and let us know how it goes.

I've had similar experiences as Scott F. On SA, I tend to have to do a longer warm-up act before getting to the nitty gritty details. In my experience, SA girls tend to be a little bit newer to the sugar world. Some of them might be a little more hesitant, but they're "fresher" and higher quality on the average. I see a lot more university / full time college SBs on SA than on SDFM.

With SDFM, Hollywood Guy is totally correct, being direct is key. A few weeks ago, I changed my approach on SDFM to be more direct and I literally got a 90% response rate. Some of the girls may have wanted more than what I was offering, but I still got responses even from hot chicks and sometimes there was room to negotiate. IMO, SDFM is mostly the hangout for seasoned SBs or girls who are already used to purely transactional arrangements (ie. Strippers and UTR Escorts).

Both sites have their share of GPSs. Though SA probably has the worst in my experience. Also SA I think have more girls who think guys will pay them 2-3k a month just to be arm candy and never put out. Whereas SDFM has more girls who are down with the program (for the right price).

I've personally had more success with SA, but I've been using that site longer and I probably wasn't using SDFM correctly until just about a few weeks ago.

If you haven't read them already, you should check out the posts of a particular member in the LA Non-Pro topics. Unlike many of the guys there who hunt for girls on CL and SD sites, he looks for opportunities in his day to day life in retail stores and such to convert young hotties into SBs of sorts. He has a low success rate, but when it works he taps a completely fresh normal girl who may have never heard about sugar daddy sites and such.

Since we were on the subject of websites, I thought I'd bring to the group on whether any of have attempted to approach a regular girl in your day-to-day life to make her into a SB? I know for me, I'm now much more confident with talking and approaching 18-22 year olds compared to just a couple of years ago. Though I haven't yet actually broached the subject of an arrangement to one in my everyday life.

Part of it is that I'm married so sometimes I'm damn tempted but I don't want to hit on a cashier who I might bump into later with my SO. But I'm thinking about trying out my skills at some out of the way malls or retail shops and look for fresh territory for potential SBs. Part of the problem with SD websites, is that you're competing with an unknown amount of guys also offering money, gifts, etc. And the girls themselves may be seeing multiple SDs. Going after a regular girl who's clearly working at a deadend job but hasn't discovered the sugar world is an opportunity to mine in fresh territory. Basically the old fashioned way, LOL.

That's why I like talking to the pot SBs on SA and SDFM even if it doesn't go anywhere. I'm trying to make a profile of the type of girl who eventually goes to these sites. This way when I'm out in the field, I'll know what signs to look for. When I have more time, I'll post some characteristics from my observations for you guys amusement and we can trade notes.

My take on SA and SD4M follow the others here, for my area. No one ever mentions sugardaddie dot com, though. The place seems to have the 30+ MILF segment locked up, which makes it much more appealing to me, but I've yet to meet anyone from there. Does anyone have experience with that site?