Ripoff Reports

[QUOTE=RedFox2120;6386961]Stay away from this one. Been seeing her a while and last time she had someone knock on her door and say I have to get out. Sucks because she was hot and a good time. Sadly looks like she has a pimp now.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/indiana/indianapolis/122891564[/URL][/QUOTE]I used to see her regularly as well. Last time I reached out she said she only saw people who bought her Snapchat premium.

It is a shame she was a damned good lay. I guess she thinks she can make more scamming newbies than giving the quality service she was more than capable of.

[QUOTE=DanBrown;6387266]I used to see her regularly as well. Last time I reached out she said she only saw people who bought her Snapchat premium.

It is a shame she was a damned good lay. I guess she thinks she can make more scamming newbies than giving the quality service she was more than capable of.[/QUOTE]Yup, looks like a good thing is over. She was a good lay and we had nice chemistry. Weird Vibes the last times she contacted me. You have explained why.

Here are some more of her reviews. She started in January robbing.

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Stopped into Sunflower Spa hoping to get my usual good service. Unsure who the MT was. I'd say late 40's, you know Asians. Anyway, the massage was decent; not the best I'd gotten there. On the flip she immediately offered a BBBJ. As a hobbyist, I don't do BB. Massage, HJ & tip = $. 20.

Upon leaving and driving to my next location, I looked in my wallet and saw my only Benjamin was missing. I'd say, take what you want to blow and leave your wallet in your car if you want to keep your cash.

[QUOTE=AnalHankerin;6438814]Stopped into Sunflower Spa hoping to get my usual good service. Unsure who the MT was. I'd say late 40's, you know Asians. Anyway, the massage was decent; not the best I'd gotten there. On the flip she immediately offered a BBBJ. As a hobbyist, I don't do BB. Massage, HJ & tip = $. 20.

Upon leaving and driving to my next location, I looked in my wallet and saw my only Benjamin was missing. I'd say, take what you want to blow and leave your wallet in your car if you want to keep your cash.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reminder. I almost always leave my wallet and cell in the car. Which Sunflower spa? 116 & Aville?

[QUOTE=AvgJoe08;6439779]Thanks for the reminder. I almost always leave my wallet and cell in the car. Which Sunflower spa? 116 & Aville?[/QUOTE]Sorry, I forgot to say it was the southside Sunflower location on Madison that ripped me off.

I sent Lissha a $30 deposit and she claimed she never got it. I think these are photos of two different women. Last time I do prepaid!

Never ever ever EVER pay a deposit. No matter what has been promised. No matter how hot her ads look. No matter what the reviews say.

NEVER.

Pulled up and she got into my car. I tried to find a nice spot to do the deed but to many eyes around (got to invest in some tinted windows) so I asked if we could go to her room and she said sure thing just have to get my roommate out. She then tells me to stay right here and goes across the parking lot out of sight, three minutes later I asked if everything's good to go, she says yes. Then she asked for more money two more text later and no response and I'm out 70. Lesson learned.

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[QUOTE=IndyShinobi;6601929]Pulled up and she got into my car. I tried to find a nice spot to do the deed but to many eyes around (got to invest in some tinted windows) so I asked if we could go to her room and she said sure thing just have to get my roommate out. She then tells me to stay right here and goes across the parking lot out of sight, three minutes later I asked if everything's good to go, she says yes. Then she asked for more money two more text later and no response and I'm out 70. Lesson learned.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/indiana/indianapolis/145643860[/URL][/QUOTE]She was reviewed one time in the other threads before. Not as a rip-off, but a decent provider. I'm surprised you gave her the money and then let her leave out the car without saying anything. As we all know, no matter how many good reviews these chicks can have, if they can get away with getting money for no service, They will. Most of them don't seem to give 2 shits about having regular / repeat clients.

[QUOTE=IndyShinobi;6601929]Pulled up and she got into my car. I tried to find a nice spot to do the deed but to many eyes around (got to invest in some tinted windows) so I asked if we could go to her room and she said sure thing just have to get my roommate out. She then tells me to stay right here and goes across the parking lot out of sight, three minutes later I asked if everything's good to go, she says yes. Then she asked for more money two more text later and no response and I'm out 70. Lesson learned.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/indiana/indianapolis/145643860[/URL][/QUOTE]It looks like you can lure her back to the car with a bucket of cracked corn and a round bale of hay. There should be a weight limit on providers before they post to eb.

[QUOTE=HunterGatherer;6467026]Never ever ever EVER pay a deposit. No matter what has been promised. No matter how hot her ads look. No matter what the reviews say.

NEVER.[/QUOTE]ESPECIALLY if the pics are hot, the reviews are great and the promises are convincing.

[QUOTE=MrPopular;6602832]ESPECIALLY if the pics are hot, the reviews are great and the promises are convincing.[/QUOTE]Advice from someone with "comfort in his own skin" to the max. JK. Couldn't resist.

I saw her a couple times over the summer at her incall, she was pretty solid but about a month or so ago, she started texting me with a bunch of begging-ass requests about her about to be thrown out of her room so she needed help. Which she'd done before, and I'd helped before (meaning I decided to go see her when I alternatively wouldn't have been looking for company) but she texted me from like 2-3 different numbers asking if I was someone different like 4-5 times throughout the day and I just washed my hands of her. I'm surprised you got ripped off but I think she's taking a downturn.

[QUOTE=IndyShinobi;6601929]Pulled up and she got into my car. I tried to find a nice spot to do the deed but to many eyes around (got to invest in some tinted windows) so I asked if we could go to her room and she said sure thing just have to get my roommate out. She then tells me to stay right here and goes across the parking lot out of sight, three minutes later I asked if everything's good to go, she says yes. Then she asked for more money two more text later and no response and I'm out 70. Lesson learned.

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She goes by them, her area is Shadeland, most recently west of Shadeland on Washington. She had me run her to take money for her kid at the Quality on 21st, asked if I could give her some up front, I only had the one bill so she left me her phone, it was about a 15 wait but she returned, wanted to hit the dollar tree and I figured this was another opportunity for her to bolt, I said after the deed, we returned to her so called ABB, she said park out back, she'd let me in the back door. After another 10 minutes of texting with no response I hit the door, then went to the front and knocked rather loudly, she finally came and begged me not to, she being fearful of losing her room, owner she said returned, she'd come right out, 10 minutes later, no them so I hit the front door again, no answer, but she left the door unlocked and I entered. I looked around, she locked herself in a small closet. I didn't want to cause any more drama than she already caused herself. It was a pretty nice duplex, remodeled, furnished, both beds looked like they'd been rode hard sagging in the middle. I exited and thought Happy Thanksgiving. I was a repeat customer, and that's no way to build customers. Last four digits 317-xxx-2119.

[QUOTE=KJohn58;6691297]She goes by them, her area is Shadeland, most recently west of Shadeland on Washington. She had me run her to take money for her kid at the Quality on 21st, asked if I could give her some up front, I only had the one bill so she left me her phone, it was about a 15 wait but she returned, wanted to hit the dollar tree and I figured this was another opportunity for her to bolt, I said after the deed, we returned to her so called ABB, she said park out back, she'd let me in the back door. After another 10 minutes of texting with no response I hit the door, then went to the front and knocked rather loudly, she finally came and begged me not to, she being fearful of losing her room, owner she said returned, she'd come right out, 10 minutes later, no them so I hit the front door again, no answer, but she left the door unlocked and I entered. I looked around, she locked herself in a small closet. I didn't want to cause any more drama than she already caused herself. It was a pretty nice duplex, remodeled, furnished, both beds looked like they'd been rode hard sagging in the middle. I exited and thought Happy Thanksgiving. I was a repeat customer, and that's no way to build customers. Last four digits 317-xxx-2119.[/QUOTE]Why the f*ck would you walk right in to someones place? Thats a good way to get shot or charges brought against you. Take the L and move on.

[QUOTE=AJack;6691540]Why the f*ck would you walk right in to someones place? Thats a good way to get shot or charges brought against you. Take the L and move on.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more, definitely a foolish choice. I have been known to think with the wrong head from time to time! I won't make that mistake again, and consider myself lucky.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/indiana/indianapolis/161296411[/URL] tried lola tonight matter at the motel by steak 'and Shake on West Washington, got in the car, touch each other then she cashed and dashed don't make my mistake.

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I saw Ciera at her hotel. Things started out weird, but I did not think too unusual given the circumstances, but within a few minutes of starting things she started freaking out about some voices we heard outside the window, in the parking lot. She insisted that I leave because her "ex" "was here". I've never seen such bizarre behaviour.

It was very obvious that the brief sounds outside had nothing to do with us. Thankfully I kept my calm and recognized that I should just leave and not cause any trouble for myself. I took my time walking out of the hotel and looked around the parking lot. There was absolutely nobody around (except the clerk at the desk).

Of course, she had already taken the 200 for the full hour and was keeping it (LOL, I actually asked if she would just take a hhr fee and give me the rest back, she said "NO" The more I think of it, I think she was intentionally looking for an opportunity to rip me off from the beginning, and this is just how it played out.

Be safe out there guys!

[QUOTE=StateLineGuy;6701119][URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/indiana/indianapolis/161296411[/URL] tried lola tonight matter at the motel by steak 'and Shake on West Washington, got in the car, touch each other then she cashed and dashed don't make my mistake.[/QUOTE]Dude please do research I seen a ton of reviews saying she scams on a bunch of sites got to start posting on here and asking if you have to.

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I saw Ciera at her hotel. Things started out weird, but I did not think too unusual given the circumstances, but within a few minutes of starting things she started freaking out about some voices we heard outside the window, in the parking lot. She insisted that I leave because her "ex" "was here". I've never seen such bizarre behaviour.

It was very obvious that the brief sounds outside had nothing to do with us. Thankfully I kept my calm and recognized that I should just leave and not cause any trouble for myself. I took my time walking out of the hotel and looked around the parking lot. There was absolutely nobody around (except the clerk at the desk).

Of course, she had already taken the 200 for the full hour and was keeping it (LOL, I actually asked if she would just take a hhr fee and give me the rest back, she said "NO" The more I think of it, I think she was intentionally looking for an opportunity to rip me off from the beginning, and this is just how it played out.

Be safe out there guys![/QUOTE]She's got some of the same reports in the Escort reports back a few weeks ago as well as far as being a ripoff. Should be able to search her name and see. Tons of Pharma issues with this one.

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Save your paper. Do not see her. Stay away! Don't even think about it. You work hard for your money. Don't become the victim.

1. You *will* get ripped off. She expects you to pay half or more up front before you can even see her. If you pay first, let alone see her, you will 100% lose. Then she can ghost you, make up some excuse, etc. You know how this will play out. Please avoid.

2. She has been using the same photos in her ads for how long now? Two years? Oh and she still uses the same age. These photos are bait and switch. Plain and simple.

3. If you ask her for an updated photo, no matter how nice you are about it, she will become belligerent with you. She will call you a stalker, and accuse you of wanting stuff for free (whatever that means). It's just a terrible excuse because we know and she knows its true but doesn't want to admit it. She's delusional.

Probably just missed it somewhere else that she was a ripoff, but just in case thought I would send the warning. Like to think I have been in the game long enough to identify a rip-off, but apparently I let my guard down. Got to her place on the east side and we talked a bit. Then off to the bathroom she went, cash in hand (I know, I know). Then silence. The house was still locked up so I figure she just waited in there till I left. Either way, I chalked it up to being lazy and not on guard and left. Such is life.

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Posted in the ripoff section for Chicago earlier this week. It looks like later on she and her driver / pimp decided to drive on down to your town. Avoid this one, she's a thief and has an accompanying person with them.

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Texted details and time said I could come she was going to shower. Showed up asked for room number after 8 min says sorry she was in the shower. I show up to the room she is sweating not showered goes into the bathroom I get undressed she comes back asks for donation upfront I comply. She starts messing around with her phone and then gets up and runs for the door 2 dudes show up we start arguing I realize this ain't worth going to jail over and leave. Stay safe this ones playing a dangerous game.

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[QUOTE=PoundForPound;6938612]Texted details and time said I could come she was going to shower. Showed up asked for room number after 8 min says sorry she was in the shower. I show up to the room she is sweating not showered goes into the bathroom I get undressed she comes back asks for donation upfront I comply. She starts messing around with her phone and then gets up and runs for the door 2 dudes show up we start arguing I realize this ain't worth going to jail over and leave. Stay safe this ones playing a dangerous game.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/indiana/indianapolis/171771690[/URL][/QUOTE]When she ran for the door, I would have had my pistol in my hand ready. Would assume someone else is coming in if she is running.

[QUOTE=PoundForPound;6938612]Texted details and time said I could come she was going to shower. Showed up asked for room number after 8 min says sorry she was in the shower. I show up to the room she is sweating not showered goes into the bathroom I get undressed she comes back asks for donation upfront I comply. She starts messing around with her phone and then gets up and runs for the door 2 dudes show up we start arguing I realize this ain't worth going to jail over and leave. Stay safe this ones playing a dangerous game.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/indiana/indianapolis/171771690[/URL][/QUOTE]Crazy because I just saw her not too long ago for a BNG over on the west side. Didn't have any issues with her, but remember reading before that some others had issues with her as well when she was out East. Seems like she moved back over to the East side and is now pulling the same shit she was pulling before. This is the EXACT reason why I leave mostly ALL of the girls on the East side alone. WAY too much BS dealing with them over there.

[QUOTE=AlwaysLookin33;6940901]When she ran for the door, I would have had my pistol in my hand ready. Would assume someone else is coming in if she is running.[/QUOTE]I carry with me to every appointment that I go to. Don't care how any of the girls feel about it either.

[QUOTE=GSpotGilligan;6941030]I carry with me to every appointment that I go to. Don't care how any of the girls feel about it either.[/QUOTE]This is the way.

[QUOTE=Depauw2004;6941880]This is the way.[/QUOTE]I'd never take a gun to an appointment because getting ripped off for a few hundred isn't worth going to prison. When I go in I only take my keys and the money I'm willing to lose. No wallet, no jewelry, no ID. The best security is to pay after play. If she wants paid up front show her the money and have her take off her clothes before you give it. Of course don't ever talk cash for sex. If she won't take anything off before getting paid, leave.

[QUOTE=CooterJones;6945558]I'd never take a gun to an appointment because getting ripped off for a few hundred isn't worth going to prison. When I go in I only take my keys and the money I'm willing to lose. No wallet, no jewelry, no ID. The best security is to pay after play..[/QUOTE]I would assume if a weapon is taken to an appointment, the person taking it is fully prepared to use it and is knowingly accepting the risks and consequences. I could write paragraphs on some of the situations I've had to deal with. The bottom line, to me, is that I have never been harmed and I have never harmed anyone. For many years I had a second vehicle just to hobby in. A real jalopy. One that says "this guy is a broke sob. " One that I wouldn't even bother report being stolen if that had ever happened.

I don't know how it would play out legally if you pulled / used your weapon in self defense during an appointment gone wrong. Considering the parties involved, LE would know the truth of what you were there for no matter what you say. My guess is you would go to jail for that at least. Probably with other charges related to the weapon. Those may or may not be dismissed if the use of it was truly self defense. I would think some sort of charge relating to the use of a weapon while committing another crime might be in play. The dollars spent on an attorney and the time spent in court would be exhausting.

Like most things in life, there is no one size fits all solution your safety when making / keeping an appointment. All of us here are playing what can be a very dangerous game.

[QUOTE=CooterJones;6945558]I'd never take a gun to an appointment because getting ripped off for a few hundred isn't worth going to prison. When I go in I only take my keys and the money I'm willing to lose. No wallet, no jewelry, no ID. The best security is to pay after play. If she wants paid up front show her the money and have her take off her clothes before you give it. Of course don't ever talk cash for sex. If she won't take anything off before getting paid, leave.[/QUOTE]So I completely understand what you're saying here, however, I have known guys who have been robbed, jumped, etc going into appointments or leaving appointments in which before or after the fact of whatever was done during the scheduled appointment is irrelevant. At that point, it's a matter of self defense. Being in the hobby long enough, I have heard some crazy stories of what some people have had to deal with regarding being robbed, which some consist of different things. Someone busting in and telling you to leave is a different ball game than you being robbed AFTER or BEFORE the appointment itself. To be perfectly honest with you at the same time, if you are actually armed at an appointment and one of these punk handlers / pimps tries and bust in and tells you to leave, if they know you are armed I guarantee you 95% of the time they don't want troubles. It's like anything else in life, they do that to the people who they think they can get away with it with the most. So I understand that some don't go armed to appointments because of certain reasons, at the same time it still depends on where my appointment is at, but not any different than me going armed carrying when I go to get groceries. It's the fact that in this day and age, people do dumb shit and have no common sense these days and maybe I would be in a situation where it would be 100% pointless for me to have to use it, however, MAYBE NOT. Like the saying goes, I would rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. Unfortunately just the world we live in these days.

[QUOTE=CooterJones;6945558]I'd never take a gun to an appointment because getting ripped off for a few hundred isn't worth going to prison. When I go in I only take my keys and the money I'm willing to lose. No wallet, no jewelry, no ID. The best security is to pay after play. If she wants paid up front show her the money and have her take off her clothes before you give it. Of course don't ever talk cash for sex. If she won't take anything off before getting paid, leave.[/QUOTE]1 - its for self defense, not flashing it about so I'm not worried about it.

2 - Even if the cops know what you are there for, its a misdemeanor and so no other charges would be added on. That's if they even cared.

3 - I'm a big guy, add a gun to it and most other guys are going to back down unless they are armed too. If I have my gun out and see another gun, I am pulling the trigger right away. Don't care. If I really feel like I could be in trouble over it, I would toss the barrel and replace it with different. Its not like I am going to call the cops if I defend myself if I think there is a possibility I would be charged with murder.

I always have the gun with me and have never had a need to pull it. I also carry a number of other weapons on me Boy Scout.

[QUOTE=GSpotGilligan;6945992]So I completely understand what you're saying here, however, I have known guys who have been robbed, jumped, etc going into appointments or leaving appointments in which before or after the fact of whatever was done during the scheduled appointment is irrelevant. these days.[/QUOTE]However if LE gets involved, what you were doing there will absolutely be relevant to them. And yes I do agree with your very last statement. I haven't been armed in over 35 years. But I have been out twice recently looking to rearm myself precisely for the reason you state.

[QUOTE=AlwaysLookin33;6945998]1 - its for self defense, not flashing it about so I'm not worried about it.

2 - Even if the cops know what you are there for, its a misdemeanor and so no other charges would be added on. That's if they even cared.

3 - I'm a big guy, add a gun to it and most other guys are going to back down unless they are armed too. If I have my gun out and see another gun, I am pulling the trigger right away. Don't care. If I really feel like I could be in trouble over it, I would toss the barrel and replace it with different. Its not like I am going to call the cops if I defend myself if I think there is a possibility I would be charged with murder.

I always have the gun with me and have never had a need to pull it. I also carry a number of other weapons on me Boy Scout.[/QUOTE]This is all very true. Like I said previously as well, I carry everywhere that I go in general for safety and security and definitely not to flash it around as well. Regarding the girl Bunnie in question that was put on the ripoff report. I myself am a big guy as well and have been told I can look intimidating at first glance. With that said, I saw her 2 weeks prior to the report and she was also on her phone a decent amount before we got started, so it makes me wonder if these girls give their handlers a yay or nay when it comes to whether they are going to rob someone or not, because I actually had a good session with her with no issues. At the same time like I said, these girls are going to go for ones that they think they can rob and get away with it. Not saying anyone who's had it happen may or may not be bigger in stature or look intimidating, but the odds of being a bigger and more defensive looking guys definitely helps. Like said here, I always carry with me even if I'm just going to the store which is purely for self defense instead of having to flash it around too.

[QUOTE=Chelli4me;6946017]However if LE gets involved, what you were doing there will absolutely be relevant to them. And yes I do agree with your very last statement. I haven't been armed in over 35 years. But I have been out twice recently looking to rearm myself precisely for the reason you state.[/QUOTE]It's just such a shitty world and time these days. Not saying these girls haven't been ripping people off for awhile now, but overall it's just way worst these days. It's starting to get out of hand, and I know people say it's only a couple of hundred bucks, but for some anyways, you never know what kind of work they had to put in throughout the weeks for that couple of hundred bucks. We all do this hobby out of enjoyment, albeit is definitely an expensive hobby to have, so with that being said, I'll be damned if tons of these girls and their handlers think I'm going to just give up my hard earned money and just be okay with it. It takes just one time for any of these girls or their handlers to come face to face with a real situation when they try this type of shit for them to realize maybe we should just stop, but it rarely happens, and that's why you see the same girls pulling these scams or robbing people over and over again. Hell, we shouldn't really even have to carry out in about in public, but we all see how things have turned in the world these days.

[QUOTE=GSpotGilligan;6946380]This is all very true. Like I said previously as well, I carry everywhere that I go in general for safety and security and definitely not to flash it around as well. Regarding the girl Bunnie in question that was put on the ripoff report. I myself am a big guy as well and have been told I can look intimidating at first glance. With that said, I saw her 2 weeks prior to the report and she was also on her phone a decent amount before we got started, so it makes me wonder if these girls give their handlers a yay or nay when it comes to whether they are going to rob someone or not, because I actually had a good session with her with no issues. At the same time like I said, these girls are going to go for ones that they think they can rob and get away with it. Not saying anyone who's had it happen may or may not be bigger in stature or look intimidating, but the odds of being a bigger and more defensive looking guys definitely helps. Like said here, I always carry with me even if I'm just going to the store which is purely for self defense instead of having to flash it around too.[/QUOTE]I agree. I've seen to many posts about guys getting ripped off and others saying they have seen them without issue. I always have assumed its because they figured they could get away with it, from them being older, smaller, or whatever.

It has been civilized and the differing opinions have been interesting. I guess my assumption that LE will be automatically involved if weapons are displayed is a bit off. If one party pulls on the other and the other party also pulls but somehow the situation deescalates with with no triggers being pulled then probably LE would not be involved. If shots do get fired LE will definitely be involved. Whether any of the parties involved would still be around when they show up is unlikely. Now if someone has been killed or wounded to the extent that can't leave the scene under their own power LE will have lots to investigate. And, while not making a specific allegation to anyone specific, it amazes me how many people think they know what will and will not happen in any given legal / criminal situation. Laws are written vaguely so they can be made to fit virtually any situation. In my mind no one can make a 100% claim they they "know" what will happen in any of the scenario's that have been discussed.

[QUOTE=Chelli4me;6946817]It has been civilized and the differing opinions have been interesting. I guess my assumption that LE will be automatically involved if weapons are displayed is a bit off. If one party pulls on the other and the other party also pulls but somehow the situation deescalates with with no triggers being pulled then probably LE would not be involved. If shots do get fired LE will definitely be involved. Whether any of the parties involved would still be around when they show up is unlikely. Now if someone has been killed or wounded to the extent that can't leave the scene under their own power LE will have lots to investigate. And, while not making a specific allegation to anyone specific, it amazes me how many people think they know what will and will not happen in any given legal / criminal situation. Laws are written vaguely so they can be made to fit virtually any situation. In my mind no one can make a 100% claim they they "know" what will happen in any of the scenario's that have been discussed.[/QUOTE]I would be interested in a conversation regarding the topic of the day in regards to street walkers. In short have guns been guns necessary? When where how why?

[QUOTE=Indiguy;6946903]I would be interested in a conversation regarding the topic of the day in regards to street walkers. In short have guns been guns necessary? When where how why?[/QUOTE]I don't have much experience with them, but the little I do have, I have never needed the gun. I always have it on me, but have never once felt the need to touch it. Most of them just want to make you nut so they can get their next fix and don't care about anything else.