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I'm going to be in the area and was trying to see if anyone could point me in the right direction of a massage place or independent provider would be ok with outcall or incall. I will be staying the night for business: pleasure. If anyone is able to help me out I would appreciate it very much! Thanks.
LOL. I live in Morris and have been preaching against the evil of Korean Spas for 20 years. I will admit to going to 7 spa and enjoying myself back in the day but I have never had a positive experience at Sun. Your best bet is to drive to the slipper or rose in Montgomery or off booker in Naperville. Hopefully with spring some new younger girls will brave Chicago and the burbs.
This would certify you of your sainthood. LOL.
[QUOTE=SaintChuck;3739990]This post will be a prime example of what happens when you break your own rules of Mongering. My #1 rule is to never go to Korean places. Over the weekend I broke my own rule and had a nightmare of a time. My work had sent me way south near Dwight. On the way home it was getting late and I was really in the mood for a quick release. I knew that my only option would be Sun Spa in Morris off of 47. I knew that every review I had ever read on the place was negative, but the little Monger in my pants won the argument and I went anyway. I get in the lobby and ring the doorbell and a Korean grandma opens the door and lets me in. I knew that she wouldn't be giving the massage because she had on a cooking apron and she was having trouble walking, she had a bit of a limp. Probably an injury she received in the Korean War. On the way to the room she started grilling me about how I found the place and had I ever been there before. I told her that I had never been there and I knew about the place because I saw the ad on BP. She leaves me in a room and a few minutes later my MT walks in and she has a bad attitude from the second she walks in the room. She hands me this clear plastic travel case and tells me to empty my pockets and put my cell phone in the bag. I did as she instructed, the whole time I felt like I was being processed at the county jail. She grabs my hand and drags me and my plastic bag to the table shower. The table shower was very long and borderline on ridiculous. The entire time she had this look on her face as if she had just come from a close relatives funeral. A few times we made eye contact and I would smile at her and then she would give me the quick 2 second fake smile. After the longest table shower in the history of the world, she grabbed my hand and dragged me to the sauna where she basically pushed me in and shut the door. In the sauna I decided to relax so I closed my eyes and leaned back. After a while I realized that I had been in the sauna for a while and I thought that I was going to have a panic attack. Because this woman was so unfriendly and basically rude to me, I started having these terrible visions. I started to think that maybe I wasn't in a sauna, maybe she had locked me in a giant Korean BBQ. I started imagining that they were going to leave me in there for a week and then after me being in there for a week all of these Korean women would come in with meat cleavers and hack me up. Not exactly the way I would want my Mongering career or my life to end. She finally opened the door and let me out of the Korean BBQ machine and dragged me back to the room. I complied with her orders and laid face down, at which time she started that light feather touch and basically just rubbed her fingers across my body. After a few minutes she came over by my face and made the universal gesture for a HJ and I shook my head yes. Then she got this disgusted look on her face and pointed to the table, so I got off the massage table and went to my plastic bag and got her tip and placed it on the table. She then started a rather uninspired HJ, she did pull down her dress so that I could play with her fake boobs. I started rubbing her butt over her clothes and she got really angry and gave me a dirty look, so I gave her a dirty look and said "WHAT. " She took her free hand and covered my mouth and pushed down so that I couldn't talk or breathe. She had pure evil in her eyes. She finally took her hand away and focused on the lame HJ. When everything was done she was trying to explain to me that the next time I come back I will be able to get FS. I just shook my head and said OK. I got out into the parking lot and it was very dark and raining. At this point I felt really sad and I wished that I was in better shape and more athletic so that I could kick myself in the balls for stopping at this place. SaintChuck.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Morrisman;3744288]LOL. I live in Morris and have been preaching against the evil of Korean Spas for 20 years. I will admit to going to 7 spa and enjoying myself back in the day but I have never had a positive experience at Sun. Your best bet is to drive to the slipper or rose in Montgomery or off booker in Naperville. Hopefully with spring some new younger girls will brave Chicago and the burbs.[/QUOTE]Is that place still open? I forgot all about it. I thought it was a poor mans strip club anyway, any stress relief there?
[QUOTE=SaintChuck;3739990]This post will be a prime example of what happens when you break your own rules of Mongering. My #1 rule is to never go to Korean places. Over the weekend I broke my own rule and had a nightmare of a time. My work had sent me way south near Dwight. On the way home it was getting late and I was really in the mood for a quick release. I knew that my only option would be Sun Spa in Morris off of 47. I knew that every review I had ever read on the place was negative, but the little Monger in my pants won the argument and I went anyway. I get in the lobby and ring the doorbell and a Korean grandma opens the door and lets me in. I knew that she wouldn't be giving the massage because she had on a cooking apron and she was having trouble walking, she had a bit of a limp. Probably an injury she received in the Korean War. On the way to the room she started grilling me about how I found the place and had I ever been there before. I told her that I had never been there and I knew about the place because I saw the ad on BP. She leaves me in a room and a few minutes later my MT walks in and she has a bad attitude from the second she walks in the room. She hands me this clear plastic travel case and tells me to empty my pockets and put my cell phone in the bag. I did as she instructed, the whole time I felt like I was being processed at the county jail. She grabs my hand and drags me and my plastic bag to the table shower. The table shower was very long and borderline on ridiculous. The entire time she had this look on her face as if she had just come from a close relatives funeral. A few times we made eye contact and I would smile at her and then she would give me the quick 2 second fake smile. After the longest table shower in the history of the world, she grabbed my hand and dragged me to the sauna where she basically pushed me in and shut the door. In the sauna I decided to relax so I closed my eyes and leaned back. After a while I realized that I had been in the sauna for a while and I thought that I was going to have a panic attack. Because this woman was so unfriendly and basically rude to me, I started having these terrible visions. I started to think that maybe I wasn't in a sauna, maybe she had locked me in a giant Korean BBQ. I started imagining that they were going to leave me in there for a week and then after me being in there for a week all of these Korean women would come in with meat cleavers and hack me up. Not exactly the way I would want my Mongering career or my life to end. She finally opened the door and let me out of the Korean BBQ machine and dragged me back to the room. I complied with her orders and laid face down, at which time she started that light feather touch and basically just rubbed her fingers across my body. After a few minutes she came over by my face and made the universal gesture for a HJ and I shook my head yes. Then she got this disgusted look on her face and pointed to the table, so I got off the massage table and went to my plastic bag and got her tip and placed it on the table. She then started a rather uninspired HJ, she did pull down her dress so that I could play with her fake boobs. I started rubbing her butt over her clothes and she got really angry and gave me a dirty look, so I gave her a dirty look and said "WHAT. " She took her free hand and covered my mouth and pushed down so that I couldn't talk or breathe. She had pure evil in her eyes. She finally took her hand away and focused on the lame HJ. When everything was done she was trying to explain to me that the next time I come back I will be able to get FS. I just shook my head and said OK. I got out into the parking lot and it was very dark and raining. At this point I felt really sad and I wished that I was in better shape and more athletic so that I could kick myself in the balls for stopping at this place. SaintChuck.[/QUOTE]I was there once and a very similar experience. I started reading some news about how the community hates this place and they are always in radar. That frustration and the questioning is a result of that pressure. I never visited this place after that one horrific experience.
[QUOTE=Morrisman;3744288]..... off booker in Naperville. ......[/QUOTE]This is new to me. What is this off booker? Is this Rose?
Its book road and 95th.
[QUOTE=Poogee;3745629]This is new to me. What is this off booker? Is this Rose?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Poogee;3745629]This is new to me. What is this off booker? Is this Rose?[/QUOTE]Rose Spa, 3075 Book Rd. #143 Naperville.
AJ.
Extras at Slipper?
[QUOTE=MrTisBad;3755887]Extras at Slipper?[/QUOTE]I personally have never gotten extras at the slipper but over the years I have known guys to claim to have gotten otc from girls there. This ranged from sharing a joint with a girl and getting a BJ in return to meeting a girl and exchanging money for services. The slipper itself runs a tight ship. You can get extra touchy in VIP but the guards err bouncers watch closely. Those curtains are seethrough and they will spy on you from a side angle. They don't watch the hour corner rooms as closely but I don't think guys are whipping out their tools like they do at other clubs. You never know though. I have had girls give me numbers and offer extras and I have had girls verbally state fingers can roam for an extra tip but if you go here don't expect too much. None of the girls that offered were that hot. Obviously, YMMV. I like some of the girls here and it is close which is why I mentioned it. As for massage parlors named rose spa. I have gotten FS at all of them at one point or another. Of course, I have been shut down at all of them too. I smell spring in the air for Saturday. Happy hunting boys (and girls too).
P.S. Stay away from sun spa. There are two Asian spas in la Salle that might be worth checking out. Play safe.
Stopped by Z spa on 30 the other day. It was my first visit and I told my MT that when she asked.
Here's the facts.
Cost: 65 for hour, 60 tip for level 1 finish including letting the twins out for some play.
Looks: late 40's to early 50's (I'm guessing). Said name was Amy. On the slim side. Wore shorts and a loose button down blouse untucked for easy access to the firm B's.
Massage: Lasted full hour with a good attempt at a medium pressure massage. I say attempt because her skills are lacking, but she tried. Light touch towards the end and what I consider plenty of teasing.
On the flip: Went right to it. Horrible. Her jackhammer technique was just horrible. She went so fast I thought I heard a sonic boom. Down right painful. I had to stop her and and my little guy still isn't talking to me.
Bottom line: IF I ever go back I won't repeat with Amy.
-TH2.
[QUOTE=Thrillseeker2;3764166]Stopped by Z spa on 30 the other day. It was my first visit and I told my MT that when she asked.
Here's the facts.
Cost: 65 for hour, 60 tip for level 1 finish including letting the twins out for some play.
Looks: late 40's to early 50's (I'm guessing). Said name was Amy. On the slim side. Wore shorts and a loose button down blouse untucked for easy access to the firm B's.
Massage: Lasted full hour with a good attempt at a medium pressure massage. I say attempt because her skills are lacking, but she tried. Light touch towards the end and what I consider plenty of teasing.
On the flip: Went right to it. Horrible. Her jackhammer technique was just horrible. She went so fast I thought I heard a sonic boom. Down right painful. I had to stop her and and my little guy still isn't talking to me.
Bottom line: IF I ever go back I won't repeat with Amy.
-TH2.[/QUOTE]I went there late last year. The MT was late 30's or so, and was definitely on something. She giggled to herself the whole hour, and reeked of garlic. She offered standard finish, but I declined.
Aren't they called H&F Spa now?
Been there a few times, but hadn't gone back in a while. They advertise new younger girls on BP, so decided to try again.
Still the same middle aged women. Very nice, excellent massages given by both on separate occasions, teasing is present, but no extras to be had.
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;3665979]Stopped by after not having been there in a couple years. An attractive younger girl answered the door, took to the room, then another young looking girl comes in. Name was Cici. It was just ok, average rub and tug. One and done for me, no desire to go back.[/QUOTE]Stopped here and drew YaYa. Better than the average looking MT. Massage was decent, plenty of teasing, on the flip standard finish with OTC roaming. Might go back to see the other MT and compare notes.
What happened to this place? Was doing good there when it changed from celestial. Now there are new people and less service. Local spots are few and very far between.
[QUOTE=JolietMike1969;3784567]What happened to this place? Was doing good there when it changed from celestial. Now there are new people and less service. Local spots are few and very far between.[/QUOTE]Is this the place next to Fox's Pub? If it is, I went there late last year. Had an overweight MT use a bath of oil on me, then tried to jag her finger in Colonel Brownstar during the jackhammer finish. Needless to say, never went back.
Pickings are slim out Joliet way.
[QUOTE=SzForLife;3784627]Is this the place next to Fox's Pub? If it is, I went there late last year. Had an overweight MT use a bath of oil on me, then tried to jag her finger in Colonel Brownstar during the jackhammer finish. Needless to say, never went back.
Pickings are slim out Joliet way.[/QUOTE]Same place but with it changing owners often it's difficult to review anything more than 2-3 months.
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;3745957]Its book road and 95th.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AvgJoe;3746458]Rose Spa, 3075 Book Rd. #143 Naperville.
AJ.[/QUOTE]Finally went here. Better than and younger than 87th.
60 door.
40 HE with under roaming up top. Hands too cold for bottom.
Actually better relaxing massage.
2 more younger (under 50) possible MT, which denotes 2 more trips.
Good to see everyone back.
[QUOTE=Poogee;3799358]Finally went here. Better than and younger than 87th.
60 door.
40 HE with under roaming up top. Hands too cold for bottom.
Actually better relaxing massage.
2 more younger (under 50) possible MT, which denotes 2 more trips.
Good to see everyone back.[/QUOTE]I keep meaning to stop by in there but I tend to be sweaty after riding the DuPage River Trail so I haven't gone.
[QUOTE=Poogee;3799358]Finally went here. Better than and younger than 87th.
60 door.
40 HE with under roaming up top. Hands too cold for bottom.
Actually better relaxing massage.
2 more younger (under 50) possible MT, which denotes 2 more trips.
Good to see everyone back.[/QUOTE]Frequented this place off and on over the years. They sometimes get late 20's early 30's hotties. Services range from what was described to full service. Haven't gotten the full deal in a long long time though. You got to see the girls regularly to get more. They use to have these wide tables too but they were replaced. I try this place out every 3 months or so to see if it is worth becoming a regular again. Maybe I will swing by in a couple of weeks.
[QUOTE=Morrisman;3759965]I personally have never gotten extras at the slipper but over the years I have known guys to claim to have gotten otc from girls there. This ranged from sharing a joint with a girl and getting a BJ in return to meeting a girl and exchanging money for services. The slipper itself runs a tight ship. You can get extra touchy in VIP but the guards err bouncers watch closely. Those curtains are seethrough and they will spy on you from a side angle. They don't watch the hour corner rooms as closely but I don't think guys are whipping out their tools like they do at other clubs. You never know though. I have had girls give me numbers and offer extras and I have had girls verbally state fingers can roam for an extra tip but if you go here don't expect too much. None of the girls that offered were that hot. Obviously, YMMV. I like some of the girls here and it is close which is why I mentioned it. As for massage parlors named rose spa. I have gotten FS at all of them at one point or another. Of course, I have been shut down at all of them too. I smell spring in the air for Saturday. Happy hunting boys (and girls too).
P.S. Stay away from sun spa. There are two Asian spas in la Salle that might be worth checking out. Play safe.[/QUOTE]Why do you say stay anyway from Sun Spa? Was planning a trip.
[QUOTE=Destiny8;3813653]Why do you say stay anyway from Sun Spa? Was planning a trip.[/QUOTE]Every time I have gone the girls have been old and subpar. The service is expensive and you get very little for what you pay for. I would try rose in Montgomery. Pine tree in willowbrook was always consistent but have not been to since their troubles in 2016. If you just want a basic and basic service from a reasonable attractive female try rose in Naperville or the small spas in Oswego. I think the one on 34 might be a good try. I live in Morris and don't go to sun spa. Back in the day 7 Spa was the place to go but morris's Days are still in the past unless something has changed dramatically.
[QUOTE=Morrisman;3818296]Every time I have gone the girls have been old and subpar. The service is expensive and you get very little for what you pay for. I would try rose in Montgomery. Pine tree in willowbrook was always consistent but have not been to since their troubles in 2016. If you just want a basic and basic service from a reasonable attractive female try rose in Naperville or the small spas in Oswego. I think the one on 34 might be a good try. I live in Morris and don't go to sun spa. Back in the day 7 Spa was the place to go but morris's Days are still in the past unless something has changed dramatically.[/QUOTE]I've been to Sun 4 times. The first two girls were very attractive the 2nd one not being as fun. The 3rd was somewhat older good looking and was great other wise. The last time I was there the lady was much older and not near as good looking as the first 3. She basically gave me too long of a massage then rimmed me for awhile before short FS finishing with HJ because of time. I didn't want that last experience turn me off for good be now I'm having 2nd thoughts.
Pine tree is FS? What's the price compared to Sun?
Hello,
Been following this site for awhile and finally wanted to register and share some experiences.
Pc massage.
Visited 3 times all 3 times lv1 finish with fairly good massage. 40 hh 40 tip. Usually get 45 min from them too. Ample roaming on 2 of 3 girls otc.
Ad spa.
Visited twice drew Lucy first than requested her second time. 2nd visit she offered FS for 140. I declined and she went down to 120 however was not prepared at that time. On second visit I did request TS. Overall good experience and at both but I want to go back for lvl 2 or FS. Seems like lucy is best bet. If anyone knows of anywhere else please PM me. I've read about rose but Ido want to try but I know I won't get more than lv1 first couple visits plus with prices going up and quality going down. Seems like ad is best bet for higher levels but pc has always been a good experience and good massage majority of the time. I will say the first time I went I saw a HOT young girl there who was translating for MMS. But never drew her. 40 to 50. One girl was 30's but she was sub par with a bad attitude.
Where is AD? No where in Joliet that I know of.
[QUOTE=DaDoc;3832810]Hello,
Been following this site for awhile and finally wanted to register and share some experiences.
Pc massage.
Visited 3 times all 3 times lv1 finish with fairly good massage. 40 hh 40 tip. Usually get 45 min from them too. Ample roaming on 2 of 3 girls otc.
Ad spa.
Visited twice drew Lucy first than requested her second time. 2nd visit she offered FS for 140. I declined and she went down to 120 however was not prepared at that time. On second visit I did request TS. Overall good experience and at both but I want to go back for lvl 2 or FS. Seems like lucy is best bet. If anyone knows of anywhere else please PM me. I've read about rose but Ido want to try but I know I won't get more than lv1 first couple visits plus with prices going up and quality going down. Seems like ad is best bet for higher levels but pc has always been a good experience and good massage majority of the time. I will say the first time I went I saw a HOT young girl there who was translating for MMS. But never drew her. 40 to 50. One girl was 30's but she was sub par with a bad attitude.[/QUOTE]
Lucy should absolutely not get 140 for FS. She is a nice lady but the years and working there all the time have taken its toll on her. I'm surprised she offered that as she does not strike me as the type to come right out and offer it.
PC massage is boring. Much better places to go.
[QUOTE=DaDoc;3832810]Hello,
Been following this site for awhile and finally wanted to register and share some experiences.
Pc massage.
Visited 3 times all 3 times lv1 finish with fairly good massage. 40 hh 40 tip. Usually get 45 min from them too. Ample roaming on 2 of 3 girls otc.
Ad spa.
Visited twice drew Lucy first than requested her second time. 2nd visit she offered FS for 140. I declined and she went down to 120 however was not prepared at that time. On second visit I did request TS. Overall good experience and at both but I want to go back for lvl 2 or FS. Seems like lucy is best bet. If anyone knows of anywhere else please PM me. I've read about rose but Ido want to try but I know I won't get more than lv1 first couple visits plus with prices going up and quality going down. Seems like ad is best bet for higher levels but pc has always been a good experience and good massage majority of the time. I will say the first time I went I saw a HOT young girl there who was translating for MMS. But never drew her. 40 to 50. One girl was 30's but she was sub par with a bad attitude.[/QUOTE]
Google AD spa. I tried putting the link in but is not working.
[QUOTE=Ksterk;3859661]Where is AD? No where in Joliet that I know of.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;3859687]Lucy should absolutely not get 140 for FS. She is a nice lady but the years and working there all the time have taken its toll on her. I'm surprised she offered that as she does not strike me as the type to come right out and offer it.
PC massage is boring. Much better places to go.[/QUOTE]She didn't offer until second visit. Any other suggestions? I haven't tried rose but figured won't get much on first run.
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;3859689]Google AD spa. I tried putting the link in but is not working.[/QUOTE]I googled It's in Carol Stream not Joliet. I think that is why the confusion.
I know its a bit of a hike from Joliet, but considering the options have always seemed to be bad and worse around here, WTF. I've had a good time on the two visits out there. HJ on first visit, more was probably available but I was feeling things out. Second visit was CBJ. Masseuse was attractive, maybe 40 ish. Massage was not much for therapeutic, but very sexy. A little pricy, but I think only because I was an idiot and set my own price. Big thumbs up.
[QUOTE=ILikeBlowjobs2;3892739]I know its a bit of a hike from Joliet, but considering the options have always seemed to be bad and worse around here, WTF. I've had a good time on the two visits out there. HJ on first visit, more was probably available but I was feeling things out. Second visit was CBJ. Masseuse was attractive, maybe 40 ish. Massage was not much for therapeutic, but very sexy. A little pricy, but I think only because I was an idiot and set my own price. Big thumbs up.[/QUOTE]What was damage?
Over the weekend. Saw a Monger heading into the place by the Airport. Has this place gotten any better? Or Same Lame?
Just an FYI.
[URL]http://www.theherald-news.com/2018/09/07/massage-woman-pleads-guilty-to-prostitution/azakpjc/[/URL]
Its been closed for a while now.
[QUOTE=Ksterk;3937834]Just an FYI.
[URL]http://www.theherald-news.com/2018/09/07/massage-woman-pleads-guilty-to-prostitution/azakpjc/[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ksterk;3937834]Just an FYI.
[URL]http://www.theherald-news.com/2018/09/07/massage-woman-pleads-guilty-to-prostitution/azakpjc/[/URL][/QUOTE]Just goes to show guys, you should be taking every opportunity to show you are safe to play with, so it is not on her to make a move that could get her busted. She's at the head of the table? Get your hands up and gently touch her sides. She's up on the table straddling your head to work on your back? Get your hands on her calves and make nice. On the flip, put a hand on her butt and smile. She smiles back, gently reach up for a boob. If the opportunity doesn't present itself, she is most likely legit and not giving you the opportunity on purpose. But if the opportunities do present themselves, you have to make it clear to her.
Yeah, I know a lot of guys have stories about success with MTs who were as cold as ice (and willing to sacrifice our love). Glad to hear it.
Look at it this way. How often do you hear stories in the news of guys getting busted at AMPs, because Uncle LEO opened up a storefront and deputized Asian women to get you worked up enough to suggest a way to make a good tip? I've never heard of that even one time. But all the time, we hear of the MTs getting busted because they saw deputy Fife sporting wood and said something they shouldn't have.
Just like on defense, get your hands up.
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;3937908]Its been closed for a while now.[/QUOTE]The name at the end of the article cracked me up. Wanting Yu.
[QUOTE=SamSpade;3938412]Just goes to show guys, you should be taking every opportunity to show you are safe to play with, so it is not on her to make a move that could get her busted. She's at the head of the table? Get your hands up and gently touch her sides. She's up on the table straddling your head to work on your back? Get your hands on her calves and make nice. On the flip, put a hand on her butt and smile. She smiles back, gently reach up for a boob. If the opportunity doesn't present itself, she is most likely legit and not giving you the opportunity on purpose. But if the opportunities do present themselves, you have to make it clear to her.
Yeah, I know a lot of guys have stories about success with MTs who were as cold as ice (and willing to sacrifice our love). Glad to hear it.
Look at it this way. How often do you hear stories in the news of guys getting busted at AMPs, because Uncle LEO opened up a storefront and deputized Asian women to get you worked up enough to suggest a way to make a good tip? I've never heard of that even one time. But all the time, we hear of the MTs getting busted because they saw deputy Fife sporting wood and said something they shouldn't have.
Just like on defense, get your hands up.[/QUOTE]Well said.
[QUOTE=DaDoc;3894728]What was damage?[/QUOTE]CS is a FS joint. You will pay the door fee of $80 for a non existent massage along with a table shower. They will ask you what you want and will try to get you for $140 for FS $100-120 for CBJ and $60 for HJ. Don't pay more than $120 for FS $80 on the CBJ and $40 HJ. Try to pay less if possible $220 for FS will not be worth it for any lady there. Check the IL South Burb thread for further reviews.
[QUOTE=WoodStreet;3940228]CS is a FS joint. You will pay the door fee of $80 for a non existent massage along with a table shower. They will ask you what you want and will try to get you for $140 for FS $100-120 for CBJ and $60 for HJ. Don't pay more than $120 for FS $80 on the CBJ and $40 HJ. Try to pay less if possible $220 for FS will not be worth it for any lady there. Check the IL South Burb thread for further reviews.[/QUOTE]Hmm never been to CS will try and post dream.
Wanted to share experience last month.
Went to my usual PC massage. I know most don't like but I have a good relationship with one of the girls there. Always willing to please but never more than level 1 however the best level 1 you'll get. GFE full roaming kiss whatever. She's happy with. 4 but usually give. 5 because of service.
Went to try rose for first time and man they were busy!! They said come back 20 min but I told her I'll wait. Two more mongers came in while waiting and saw one walking out. Got to room fairly rushed but not that bad. Massage was good, standard level 1 no hassle. Kinda mechanical but gal was attractive for age. Wonder if level 2 available at Rose but doubt it.