Supereloquent's Reports - Philadelphia

I guess I have had a craving for "fast SW food" lately because I was uncharacteristically cruising the K after dark yesterday and looking for a BJ car date.

I saw a thin SW on the north end of the stroll with her brunette hair tied up in a bun, and wearing dark blue pajama bottoms (that seems to be a fad among teens I have seen in the mall and a few SWs on the Ave; I suppose it is very practical to slip them off for a car fuck, as are sweat pants).

I can't tell you why I picked up Heather. She wasn't particularly good looking: not ugly, but a classically bumpy Italian nose, VERY South Philly. I suppose it was just street radar; I got a sense from her facial expressions and body language that she might be a fun suck date.

Heather says she is 32, and looks younger than that, maybe mid 20s, so the years have been kind to her. She was apologetic about her hair being all tied up, and a little messy, and wearing the pajama bottoms, but I thought to myself that I rather liked this "rumpled and slutty" look and felt it was perversely appealing. She said she dances at Show 'N Tell on Columbus Blvd., and she pulled down her pajama bottoms to show me a dancer's tat on the side of her ass from her stomach area all the way down to her thigh. She also said she "doesn't do this much," just when she needs a little extra cash. (Sure, that's why she couldn't wait to get back to buy some more rock after our date. She even admitted that she had become hooked on crack 2 years ago for the first time, and now couldn't shake it. Hey, it's the K!)

She negotiated for .3 up front, saying she was "very good" and worth it (like when hadn't I heard that one before!). I told her we would start at .2 and, if she earned a tip, she would get one. She started without payment in advance. I have had that happen to me many times, certainly almost always with SWs I have dated before, but often also with those I have not, so there must be something about my demeanor that appears trustworthy to SWs. I am always impressed by this and inclined to tip them if they provide good service, because I certainly would want up front payment if I were in their shoes, given the stories I have heard from them about the ripoff and cheapskate mongers.

Heather WAS good, as she had promised. She gave a very sloppy, very sexy BJ, with a lot of tongue action and slobbering and moaning. She would flicker her tongue rapidly and lick from all the way under my balls and right up the underside of my shaft (where all the nerves are; they should give some SWs a BJ course), and cup my dick in her mouth for a long wet slide all the way down her throat. Then she would suck up and down on my cock, varying the speeds just right, and occasionally go back to flicking and licking from the base of my balls again. Most girls just suck on you and that's that. While there is nothing wrong with that, if the girl has a good technique, I will have to say that I really enjoyed Heather's quite different and expert approach. She knew her way around a cock (despite the surprise she revealed to me later). It confirms my considerable experience that a SW over 30 tends to be an excellent cock sucker. My only major disappointment is that she didn't allow CIM, but I still enjoyed it very much. She didn't hurry me; she didn't complain or ask if I was going to cum yet; and she kept licking and sucking on me like there was no tomorrow, right up to when I popped.

Heather said she has a "wife" and is a Lesbian and almost never fucks for money, just BJs. But she did say she might consider an exception in my case on a future date. I don't know if that was a line to make me feel good somehow or whatever, but it seemed sincere, and I suppose I should feel flattered. She certainly has a spinner body worth fucking and, call me a dirty old man, but it would be deviantly hot to be fucking an admitted Lesbian.

The ratings? Face: 2 1/2 stars (with a nose job she probably would be very cute, but it is what it is); Body; 4 stars (I didn't get a chance to use it, but maybe on a future FS date); BJ: 4 1/2 stars (excellent technique; CIM would have made it 5 stars, even with a spit); Personality: 5 stars (very personable, easy to talk with and negotiate); Overall: 4 stars; Repeatable?: Yes: for BJ, fucking remains to be seen. As always, YMMV.

[QUOTE=CockMaster]Gents, I don't her. But I think she right.95% of all the K ave ho's, SW, cummm pig or whatever. Don't give two shit about us. It's all about the green for Dope & Rock. Sorry, Gents she may be right. Just me thinking out loud. Peace[/QUOTE]

Without getting into your grammar and math, every time the button on your jukebox is pressed you play the same tired old song. It isn't nearly as simple as you "describe." Anyone with a little experience on the K knows there are some SWs who are only about the green and their next fix; there are some; however, who might be addicted, but still manage to be good providers; and there are some who are just down on their luck and making a few extra bucks. You can't lump them together and paint them all with the same tawdry brush. My experience is that, with a little discretion, you can find many SWs who can be a lot of fun. If it stopped being fun, trust me, I wouldn't be cruising the K AT ALL.

[QUOTE=Coconut Poke]Yes, one man's disappointment can be another man's joy. You may have missed [url=http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=823502#post823502]this review[/url] of Heather, with photo.

A lot of her M.O. came out in both reviews.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for pointing out that she had previously been reviewed. I had missed that. YMMV certainly always applies, but I can see where her general MO has some similarities in both cases as you pointed out. She was not wearing any underwear (as previously reported), and was proud to demonstrate that fact when pulling down her pants and showing me her tat in the car. Here is a pic of her for those who may have missed it in the previous review. You can sort of see the tat I was describing down her left side but her left hand is hiding most of it.

Except for her tiny tits, she has a nice body, taut and streamlined, probably from dancing, especially for a girl in her early 30s who has had a few kids (I was scratching my head over that one since she claims she is a Lesbian....but I guess that was before she figured it out for sure?)

PS: She looks a lot cuter in this pic with a front on view than from the side with her Italian nose. Most people look better 3/4 angle or profile, but she must be the exception that proves the rule.

[QUOTE=Dark Phoenix]Congrats, Rook, you lucked on my favorite. This is the same Serena I reviewed a ways back. Since then, you're the first monger to have reviewed her as far as I know. I suspect she doesn't usually have to wait very long to be picked up, but I've nonetheless been surprised that nobody else has commented on what a find she is. Hooked up with her on Saturday night for a FS date and IMHO despite her oral talents, that's the way to go. Total little hellcat. And, as it turns out, she has a wonderful singing voice - as I was driving her back to her place, Tori Amos came on the radio - Serena's a fan - and I got to hear that aside from being quite a pipe cleaner, she's got a hella set of pipes of her own. I have no hesitation of handing out a base 60 for her services, she usually earns a tip and she's got the best disposition I've run into. One of my all time faves and my current fave hands down.[/QUOTE]

It sounds like both Rook and Dark Phoenix have tapped into a real find here. It never ceases to amaze me how much talent there is on the K. This has got to be one of the best if not THE best stroll in the country.

I moved my further reply and comment regarding this to my thread because CJ's photo thread was getting traffic jammed with this subject, and it either needed to be ended and/or re-routed.

The subject of whether SWs on the K are basically drug addicted skeezy skanks who are just looking for their next fix, and look at all of us mongers as just pathetic marks, or whether they include some good providers who are interested in servicing well to get repeat business, regardless of the reason they want or need the money: this is a subject that probably will never be resolved. Like the blind men experiencing an elephant, we each feel a different part and think we "know" what it "looks like," when we, in fact, just know our little piece of the puzzle.

Cockmaster sent me a PM explaining his point of view and I appreciate that he did that rather than starting an unnecessary flame war over this. I have a tendency to go overboard, and I don't always put myself in the shoes of the poster when making a contentious reply. I didn't have to slight Cockmaster's grammar and math to make my point, and I apologize for that.

I appreciate that Cockmaster has a unique perspective. Few of us have lived on the K, lived on the streets, lived with a SW, used drugs or dealt drugs. We are sheltered from the reality of all that. All I know is that I try to avoid the street skanks who are wasted and fucked up and ONLY focused on smoking their next rock or getting some dope. I would differ with a perspective that 95%, or even as many as 80% of the SWs on the K fit this category, not giving a rat's ass about anything: family...kids..and certainly not mongers. During the day when I monger maybe 20-30% are in this category by my guess. The rest are as I described: relatively good and well worth it to have fun fucking them and getting my cock sucked. If they were all skeezy, skanky, dirty, smelly awful crackheads and dopers who cared NOTHING about doing a good job or getting repeat business from me then I wouldn't go there. The very few I have run into like that never get my business again, and I write a review on them that will keep others away as well.

I appreciate that Cockmaster wrote to me and expressed his point of view and where he was coming from. I guess we can just agree to disagree on this issue.

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]Thanks for pointing out that she had previously been reviewed. I had missed that. YMMV certainly always applies, but I can see where her general MO has some similarities in both cases as you pointed out. She was not wearing any underwear (as previously reported), and was proud to demonstrate that fact when pulling down her pants and showing me her tat in the car. Here is a pic of her for those who may have missed it in the previous review. You can sort of see the tat I was describing down her left side but her left hand is hiding most of it.

Except for her tiny tits, she has a nice body, taut and streamlined, probably from dancing, especially for a girl in her early 30s who has had a few kids (I was scratching my head over that one since she claims she is a Lesbian....but I guess that was before she figured it out for sure?)

PS: She looks a lot cuter in this pic with a front on view than from the side with her Italian nose. Most people look better 3/4 angle or profile, but she must be the exception that proves the rule.[/QUOTE]She looks like my kind of bad little thing. (I love it when the right girl does her hair like that)

Thanks for the pic.

Moto.

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]I would normally ignore something like this, but I feel an obligation to exonerate Janine from your outrageous supposition. [/QUOTE]

This time I agree with you 100% Super!! That post was not by Janine nor
anyone I ever dated before.

Those posts are from Rachel A.K.A. Sabrina of Teddys Stable. A couple of months ago I got a PM from her talking shit about some of my posts. Some over a year old and not even about her. So I fired back and hammered away. I guess I must have hit a soft spot and maybe upset her a bit too much. The writing is the exact same as what was in the PM's. Now I wish I would have saved them.

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]Without getting into your grammar and math, every time the button on your jukebox is pressed you play the same tired old song. It isn't nearly as simple as you "describe." Anyone with a little experience on the K knows there are some SWs who are only about the green and their next fix; there are some; however, who might be addicted, but still manage to be good providers; and there are some who are just down on their luck and making a few extra bucks. You can't lump them together and paint them all with the same tawdry brush. My experience is that, with a little discretion, you can find many SWs who can be a lot of fun. If it stopped being fun, trust me, I wouldn't be cruising the K AT ALL.[/QUOTE]

So I agreee with you twice today..LoL !! I've met all types out here over the
years as I'm sure many of us have. Unless you pick up some really wacked
out girls here, most are actually pretty decent and appreciate good customers. I don't get involved with girls out here but neither do I treat
them like they are less than me either. I do know of many who met guys
on the ave who took the chance with them and had success stories. It
really bothers me when I hear stories of guys abusing the girls out there.

I mentioned this situation before in passing about the monger knuckleheads who insist on fucking bareback. Apparently quite a few want to do that. I found the number Deep Throat estimated (60%) to be way beyond what I would have guessed. Are so many guys this fucking stupid? Or do they all just have a death wish? The least of one's problems would be an STD transmission (either way) or pregnancy. But then there is HIV to worry about.

These crazy mongers try to convince a SW that if they pull out before they cum that there is neither a chance of catching or transmitting a disease or getting pregnant. I don't know whether this is their own stupidity in believing this or a belief that the SW is this dumb or both. What I do know is that this is pure INSANITY!

If a SW lets you do it bareback, do you think you are just so extra special that you are the ONLY one with whom she has EVER done this? You are fucking everyone she has ever fucked and everyone they have ever fucked, on to infinity. I can't make up my mind whether to blame the incompetence of sex education in our wonderful public education system, or the fact that there is a vast overabundance of moronic people.

This reminds me of an infamous quote by a boxer who had taken a few too many punches: "Sure there have been injuries and deaths in boxing - but none of them serious."

[QUOTE=Davey1965]So I agreee with you twice today..LoL !! [/QUOTE]

I think we have managed to agree 99% of the time in the past: just one flap and that is ancient history. It is good to see you posting again and to find out who the real Sryan809 is. I am sorry to hear that other mongers have tried to cop your identity and get special favors from SWs, and that you have had to change your street name with some. It could happen to any of us. I hear you about being burned out on the board: giving a lot and receiving very little, except grief. One thing the world has plenty of are assholes, so ignore the crap and enjoy the good stuff.

I have been doing this (street mongering) a very long time--over 20 years and in many other locations prior to moving to Philly in 1998 and discovering the wonders of the K. I am kind of semi-retired, as I have settled down a bit plus have had some medical issues in the past year--I used to be able to have multis in my younger days--now I am just thankful to get it up and pop off a nut once in a while.

It is a pretty simple equation--you find a girl--if you like her, you look for her again or possibly get some digits. If it is a bad scene, you move on and never go near her. Most of us acquire the experience to learn that the majority of girls on the street want our money and aren't in it for anything else. That is fine with me--I just want what I paid for in return. I will treat a girl as I want to be treated--I am respectful, and hope to be dealt with properly in return. I have enjoyed many wonderful dates along with some lousy ones. Back 8-9 years ago, I used to bring girls I trusted home from the K and have them stay overnight--multi cups and some warmth in my bed at maybe max price of $. Somehow I never had a bad scene with that or a problem--maybe because I honed my instincts first for many years and also made sure I did a few hotel dates with a girl before any overnights.

But I am a realist--some girls are simply not going to be easy to deal with--the street requires instincts and good judgement--none of us want to lose our lives or get arrested over a BJ. That is why this board and the reviews posted are a great tool. If a girl treats me or a fellow monger properly, she is going to get return business. If she flakes out or fails to deliver properly, then few will go back. I only learned these lessons the hard way--there were no boards or Internet for most of my monger career.

I can understand where a girl like Sryan809 is coming from and I don't have a problem with her view or attitude. Like I said, treat everyone with respect and hope for the same in return--if not, pass and move on to the next square. Do your homework, monger carefully and trust your instincts. I strongly recommend you park your car and get out and casually walk up to girls and chat them up to see where they are coming from--that helps build up a little chemistry and weeds out the possibility of a very unpleasant experience. But be smart about doing this--watch out for LE and don't put a girl in an uncomfortable position--also avoid "high traffic" locations.

Study Super's moves and read through how he goes about his monger routine--don't just be mesmerized by the pics he takes--learn from his advice and experience, especially since he is offering it to all on this board.

[QUOTE=Fbtom] [url]http://philadelphia.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/a_russian_treat_that_is_devilishly_sweet_21/classifieds/ViewAd?oid=1865579[/url]

... I remembered her ad linked above and someone's review that she rushed them also. DAMN, why couldn't I remember that beforehand!?....

So be warned, she is just as pretty in person as the photos show, and she is very pleasant at first, but likes to rush.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ssssbadboyssss]If you haven't figured it out by now she was Jonesing, the guest was her pimp/dealer, and when she went to the bathroom she shot up (got high), she had already got what she wanted, and got high. Next she just wanted you to leave so she could enjoy it. Avoid this one like the plague, of course she's gonna rush you, she can't even wait for you to leave before she gets high....[/QUOTE]

Where have we seen this before? A pretty young thing on the internet who charges 1.5 an hour for a "massage," (probably wanted a tip for anything exciting), and now a doper on the K with a pimp. What makes mongers think the others on the internet are any better? You have a better chance OBSERVING the quality of what you are getting on the K than the anonymity of the net. And even when you get a good look, and a sense of the personality, you can still go wrong. So, much better to go wrong for .2 or .5 than 1.5+.

But, Fbtom....DUDE! Watch yourself out there! I know you are relatively new to all of this, and making an honest attempt to learn a few things. But you have to be more CAREFUL and less naive! You're lucky you weren't robbed, raped, beaten and left for dead.

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]
But, Fbtom....DUDE! Watch yourself out there! I know you are relatively new to all of this, and making an honest attempt to learn a few things. But you have to be more CAREFUL and less naive! You're lucky you weren't robbed, raped, beaten and left for dead.[/QUOTE]

Yes, wise words to be taken seriously! I was very aware of my surroundings and am prepared for most outcomes. The thought of jumping out her second story window was one of them if it came down to it.

I'll be taking the notel route from now on. It is worth the drive and cost to be in a better situation.

This is what I had done with a different date after Kylie and was far more comfortable! I'll post that one up later when I figure out how to get pics off of my new phone.

[QUOTE=Motobone]She looks like my kind of bad little thing. (I love it when the right girl does her hair like that)

Thanks for the pic.

Moto.[/QUOTE]

I have to love your phraseology. There is something sensually electric to me about a trashy spinner in pigtails saying to me in a cute high pitched voice: "I'm Daddy's cum piggie." LOL

[QUOTE=Chriseff]Study Super's moves and read through how he goes about his monger routine--don't just be mesmerized by the pics he takes--learn from his advice and experience, especially since he is offering it to all on this board.[/QUOTE]

Good advice, but I want to point out what I think might get overlooked: Super treats the girls respectfully and THAT, in my humble opinion, accounts for a large part of why he gets treated well by so many of the SWs he encounters.

Super and others often say, "YMMV", but what they are telling you is that you may get a wholly different treatment from the same girl based on how YOU treated treat them.

As wise Davey just said on another thread here, "I've met all types out here over the years as I'm sure many of us have. Unless you pick up some really wacked out girls here, most are actually pretty decent and appreciate good customers. I don't get involved with girls out here but neither do I treat
them like they are less than me either. I do know of many who met guys
on the ave who took the chance with them and had success stories. It
really bothers me when I hear stories of guys abusing the girls out there."

-- Forth Ryte

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]I think we have managed to agree 99% of the time in the past: just one flap and that is ancient history. It is good to see you posting again and to find out who the real Sryan809 is. I am sorry to hear that other mongers have tried to cop your identity and get special favors from SWs, and that you have had to change your street name with some. It could happen to any of us. I hear you about being burned out on the board: giving a lot and receiving very little, except grief. One thing the world has plenty of are assholes, so ignore the crap and enjoy the good stuff.[/QUOTE]

Yes you are correct on us agreeing 99% of the time. I guess my responses
could have been handled differently, but oh well, never said I was perfect.
Most of my displeasure was just with the board antics and Jackson himself.
But took a well needed break and I was actually alerted to the recent
posts by a SW'er (who knows me as Dave) who has internet access and
reads the board. I was like "that little useless dope hoe". So guess I'll have
to keep my eyews open here again :)

I have 5 SWs now writing to me anonymously, inspired by the stories of Deep Throat and anxious to tell their own stories. I suppose this will eventually provide me with enough material to write an interesting book. So I guess you are reading what may some day be known as the first drafts.

Many of them echoed Deep Throat's guesstimate that 60% of mongers want to fuck bareback. In fact, several thought that figure was too low! I have heard stories how it is common for mongers to offer as much as a .5 premium or more to do it bareback. And then there are the stories about the SWs who do this with just about everyone and, surprise!: they wind up giving all their customers gonorrhea. And the idiot mongers have the nerve to complain that so and so SW gave me gonorrhea, like it was all HER fault. Well it serves you right you stupid putz. Consider yourself damn lucky if that's all that you got from her.

Then of course there are the fetishists: the foot fetishists seem to be the most common and they come in many flavors. Some like to suck toes; some like to worship on and suck dirty feet; some think the dirty feet aren't nearly dirty enough and have the SW walk barefoot on the filthy street before they worship and suck on them; some carry around their own assortment of favorite women's footwear, sometimes particularly laced with foot odor.

Apparently there are a number of "mongers" who park along the K within sight of one or several SWs and whack off in their cars. I guess that's the poor man's version of Playboy or Penthouse.

Then there are the truly weird who like to have their balls punched or kicked HARD.

I guess if you hang around on the K long enough as a SW you eventually get to see it all.

[QUOTE=Coconut Poke] ... Those who claim they did seven cups in one day or made a girl squirt five times are amusing but not verifiable and perhaps not truthful.....
why wouldn't a girl go ahead and post her complaints here directly. They would be more credible than coming through a third party who, like the rest of us, might be tempted to embellish the story for entertainment value.....
[/QUOTE]

That was a bit of a backhanded smack at Super's credibility there. So for the record, it was only 7 months ago that there was an incident on the forum where several posts were made under Super's name and they were proven to be bogus. At the time, Super was just getting started as a major poster on this forum. He apologized and explained how another person had used his computer to make those bogus reports. Still, a few posters flamed Super and said he could never be trusted. Some said, let's wait and see if Super turns out to be a fiction writer.

Since then, there has never been a report by Super that anyone has shown to be less than 100% truthful. He has pics to substantiate the most amazing adventures. In a word, gentlemen, he has fully established his credibility and if Coconut Poke is envious of Super's performance ability (aren't we all?) it is no reason to slight the man's credibility.

-- Forth Ryte

[QUOTE=Forth Ryte]That was a bit of a backhanded smack at Super's credibility there. So for the record, it was only 7 months ago that there was an incident on the forum where several posts were made under Super's name and they were proven to be bogus. At the time, Super was just getting started as a major poster on this forum. He apologized and explained how another person had used his computer to make those bogus reports. Still, a few posters flamed Super and said he could never be trusted. Some said, let's wait and see if Super turns out to be a fiction writer.

Since then, there has never been a report by Super that anyone has shown to be less than 100% truthful. He has pics to substantiate the most amazing adventures. In a word, gentlemen, he has fully established his credibility and if Coconut Poke is envious of Super's performance ability (aren't we all?) it is no reason to slight the man's credibility.

-- Forth Ryte[/QUOTE]
I agree 100% Forth, and while on the subject in more recent history, a member had several of his original posts completely removed by the admin, since then he's made a 100% turn around and was about to gain some monicker of trust and respect in this forum, at least with me. I'd hate to see that ruined by petty accusations. On another note I consider Super a "friend", of course I don't know him personally but we share alot of the same views amd I'm extreme interested in reading the things he writes. In doing as such I've also noticed, he doesn't take criticism very well at all, he's said it himself. Back handed comments like those are sure to draw a much less than favorable reaction, anyone who reads this thread knows this. If one didn't know better one would think that a certain post were meant to incur that wrath, especially if it were to come from someone who's been known to antagonize others in the past. Well I'm gonna sit back and watch the sparks fly, hopefully it doesn't scare off any contacts.

To you Super, like I said I'm President of the Fan Club, and as President I'm taking all the Club Members to a fallout shelter because we know what's coming, LOL.

Stay Safe, Happy Hunting
BadBoy

Forth Ryte and Bad Boy: Thank you for your support against the petty, backhanded and obviously envious remarks from Coconut Poke. I am a science fiction nut and Robert Heinlein summarized my feelings about CP's post very "eloquently:" "Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity." Members of the board know me to not take much criticism lying down, and perhaps I am mellowing, but I am not inclined to open up my flame thrower full throttle on this 10 time poster who seems to have more time to play detective (badly) and cast aspersions than contribute some useful information.

But, of course, I couldn't resist having a few things to say in passing. CP recently speculated about the identity of a SW who wrote an anonymous post in here. Granted, the post was a complaining and bitter one, but it didn't require someone with little first hand knowledge of the situation to throw in his uninvited two cents and point the finger WRONGLY to someone as being the author. I didn't hear a peep nor an apology from CP after it was fairly conclusively demonstrated by parties in a position to know (Davey and myself) that he was totally out to lunch. And then he wonders why SWs would rather filter their observations through a trusted third party rather than contributing them directly? Because they choose to be anonymous and not have "detectives" on here ruminating about their identities. DUH! CP wants quotes, reprints of the PMs and direct posts from SWs in order that "the original source be closer to the readership." Why? Apparently because he wants to figure out who they are. If the less observant readers in here haven't already figured this out, "Deep Throat" is a composite of several SWs who have shared information with me in confidence. I try the best I can to keep their identities anonymous, as they prefer them to be. They don't have to post directly, CP, just because you think they should, and I don't have to reprint their PMs, share their direct quotes, or write my posts as if your hand were up my back, and working me like a puppet. Nor do I feel the obligation to have editors, co-authors or corroborating sources just because you think I should. (By the way, where were YOURS when you made your false and misleading accusation?).

As to your disbelief of anything I have written in my posts, a few SWs have been unhappy with a less than a stellar review when they discovered such, whether it was directly or through a friend who reads this forum, but even then I have never seen a reaction that I was not telling the truth, and, as a matter of fact, I don't recall anyone with first hand knowledge refuting one damn thing, whether good or bad.

So, disbelieve me all you want CP. In fact, place me on "ignore" so you won't even have to read anything I have to say, and I will be invisible to you. I would actually quite prefer that you did.

I actually hate to do this. Very recently I had a terrific date with Janine and this one was a bust. But it is what it is. Apparently Janine can run hot or cold depending upon how she feels.

I made a telephone date with Janine. She suggested a place to meet and said she would be there "in about an hour." I got there 15 minutes early and nursed an extra large coffee from DD. I knew the meeting place to be close to where Janine lives off the K, so I expected her to be somewhat on time. Twenty minutes after the appointed time, I was getting a bit irritated and called her again. She was still at home! However, she said she would be there in 5 minutes. Twenty-five minutes later she showed up. I was annoyed to say the least. If I was respectful of her time by setting an appointment then I expected her to be respectful of my time as well. Apparently that isn't such a 2 way street with some SWs.

Janine wasn't feeling well. She had a pain in her stomach. I sympathized with that and offered to postpone the date. There wasn't any point in aggravating her pain, especially since I had an indoor FS date in mind. But she said she would be fine and that the pain was probably from something she had just eaten. Even so, she admitted she was going to see the doctor for this in the afternoon. All this should just have sent warning bells off in my head to call off the date. I guess some SWs will tough anything out, even pain; the bottom line is that they just want to make the bucks.

We got to the notel and Janine was having trouble just getting undressed without wincing from the pain. This was turning into a dismal scene, not the erotic and sensual time I had envisioned. I thought that at least getting my cock sucked might be fun given the great job Janine had done last time. But she did a very lackluster and unmotivated job and was clearly anxious to get to the fucking part and get it over with. I mounted her mish and she was obviously in pain. I wasn't sure if that was from her stomach condition or the tight fit. Later she told me it was both. It was not much fun to fuck someone whose face was all screwed up in agony like she was having a kid. In the midst of her wincing and moaning (NOT sensually) she said "Just do what you have to do." That was about as exciting as fucking a wet dishrag. Luckily I was super horny and busted a fast nut. Cumming feels good any way you slice it, but I don't fuck SWs just to get off. I can do that with my trusty right hand. I really do want the girl to enjoy it too and get into it. It's part of the mental fun. Otherwise, I would just as soon fantasize in the shower.

Justine is a sweet girl and has a cute face and a nice spinner body, but I would have to give this experience an overall rating of 2 stars. It really is about the mental as well as the physical for me. Maybe someone else might have enjoyed perversely delivering pain, but I just found it to be a total downer. I would be inclined to date her again only because I have also enjoyed good experiences with her, and even one terrific experience. But I would have to be very honest with her up front about my expectations.

Janine doesn't own a computer but I know she has a friend who reads this forum and clues her in as to the posts, so she is likely to be very disappointed in this review. But if you date me you should be prepared to bring your A game or read/discover the sad truth thereafter. I don't pull punches or play favorites. If you earned a bad rating or a good rating you most likely deserved it, regardless of the reasons.

I was expecting a much stronger reaction (as you stated, opening up your flame thrower full throttle). Kudos on a well-written and scholarly response.

As far as the "Deep Throat" musings, I am astonished to find that there are mongers who are completely insane? Going bareback has to be the absolutely most misdirected idea that anyone could ever have--I guess there is a whole "new generation" of fools who think they are supermen and apparently never read much about HIV/AIDS.

I can understand BBBJ, as the science on that is supportive of there being minimal risk--but any other form of unprotected sex in this day and age borders on criminal negligence. Hell, I wouldn't bang a girl I picked up in a nice bar without a coat under any circumstances!

Deep Throat thought that it would be fun to hear "reverse complaints" from mongers, things that have irritated them about SWs. I think many of these have been aired on this forum, and I don't think mongers are "shy" about coming forward with such, or wanting to be anonymously hidden and communicating through a trusted third party.

So here is a complaint I haven't seen much of in here that seems to have occurred to me a few too many times in the past week, and that is SW telephone appointment courtesy (or more appropriately the lack thereof).

I already related my story of setting a date with Janine and having her show up 45 minutes late. That really toasts my buns. When I set an appointment time I show up on time and I expect SWs to show up on time as well. If there is a reason I can't make it I have a good excuse and call and let her know and expect the same in return. Being "fashionably late" may be cute for a civi but it doesn't cut any ice with me on the Ave. Otherwise why make a telephone appointment in the first place? One may as well troll the Ave rather than be tied to one spot for 45 minutes waiting. In 45 minutes, with light traffic, I could make 2 complete round trip tours of the K.

The other thing that really ticks me off is making a date with a SW and she calls you sometime before with a cancellation, offering some lame excuse. The worst of these is a cancellation right before the appointed time. Do they think you are stupid? They picked up a date and don't feel like waiting for you. The most obvious of these is when you are already on the K and heading in their direction, about to be there in a few minutes, and they call and say, "Gee, don't be mad at me...but..." If you are a regular (or the SW wants you to be, which, hopefully, is likely if she gave you her digits), then she should treat you with the same priority with which she expects to be treated. OR, she shouldn't have made the appointment in the first place.

Sometimes just cruising the K seems to be the best solution. It's hit or miss, but sometimes no more hit or miss than using the telephone.

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]Deep Throat thought that it would be fun to hear "reverse complaints" from mongers, things that have irritated them about SWs.[/QUOTE]
Well since you asked, I have my top four countdown:

#4 When a SW offers me a phone number that doesn't work. I'm not even talking about it not working the next week or even the next day, I'm talking about calling right there and it's out of service.

#3 Rushing. Saying "Are you gonna cum" or something similar. You say that and we might as well start over. Five minutes isn't gonna cut it. However if you're relaxed and act like you're into it I think it's an added turn on, it enhances the experience and makes me cum faster.

#2 Asking me to drive you to cop. Not gonna happen, I'm willing to risk my ass for some ass, but I'm not willing to drive you up to a dealer and wait while you make a transaction. I'm not naive to the habits of alot of girls out there but take care of that before or after.

#1 Trying to get high in my car. ARE YOU SERIOUS? No it's not okay if you smoke crack in my car, I don't care if I have dark tint, we're on a deserted street whatever. I'm not trying to get booked over your habit. It's one thing if we're indoors and you wanna take care of that before we get down to business, but not outside in the car for all to see.

Happy Hunting, Happy Being Hunted
BadBoy

I spoke with a SW last week who usually provides accurate intel about what is happening on the Ave. She said there is a SW with light brunette hair, sometimes pulled back in a bun, named Robin (Robyn?) who hangs in the Buckius area. Supposedly this SW fucks anyone bareback who wants it, and has been passing around gonorrhea and who knows what else. Does anyone have any more information on this?

Not that what Coconut Poke said bothered me one little bit about providing direct quotations from PMs as enabling the readers to be "closer to the source," but here is a direct quote which Deep Throat apparently didn't mind sharing:

"I got another good two to add. You can quote this, since people seem to think you're lying or something.

A man came today, passed by a few times and pulled over across the street from the train station. I went over, got in and we talked for a minute. He told me he wanted a BJ and I quoted the price. He said, "OK" and said he wanted to see my tits so I could prove I wasn't a cop. I showed him and after that, he says, "Are you going to be here for a while?" I told him that the nature of the game is that I may or may not be, depending on what happens, but that I will definitely be gone by 2. He says, "I need to go to the ATM and get some money and I'd like to come back for you." This has happened to me several times. If you know you're looking for a date, why didn't you do that before you started cruising? And maybe he was just one of those who gets off on seeing tits and wacked off and got a "date" for free.

There is another man who I ran into a while ago. When I approached the window of his car, all I could smell was the strongest smell of urine. It was sickening. I talked to him through the window and noticed many pairs of nasty stained panties laying all over his car. He went on to tell me that he likes to place his hand under a girls crotch, have her pee on his hand as he jerks off with the other hand. When she's done peeing, he likes to follow up with a BJ. CRAZY RIGHT? Um, no thanks!

Another kind that makes me crazy. The guy who shows up with a crackpipe in his hand and is so smoked out of his mind that he can't even talk. What if I was a cop? He'd be busted for two things! I encountered one of them today. He wanted to pay me with crack and I don't smoke. Again, no thanks!"

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]Deep Throat thought that it would be fun to hear "reverse complaints" from mongers, things that have irritated them about SWs. I think many of these have been aired on this forum, and I don't think mongers are "shy" about coming forward with such, or wanting to be anonymously hidden and communicating through a trusted third party.[/QUOTE]#1. SW's who push the idea of a tip right before starting. You should just state that at the time of the agreed services/fees. Who is going to flat out say no when you're an inch away from starting?

#2. SW's who get in the car with a lit cigarette. Whether I smoke or not it's rude.

#3. SW's with bad hygiene.

#4. SW's who waive, hoot n' holler while you're driving down the K.

#5. Bodyguard/Pimp/Boyfriend who lurks nearby. Makes you wonder if they're LE or a Thug.

#6. SW's who insist on their parking spots. WTF?

#7. SW's who help themselves to change from the console

#8. SW's who steal from customers (hasn't happened to me yet)

#9. SW's who get you to drive them around on errands. I didn't sign up for this!

Those are excellent lists by BadBoy and Billneedscoffee that capture probably 95% of the things some SWs do that annoy me (or go further than annoying me, like in the case of robbing me) I'll toss in just a few others that come to mind if we're trying to compile a full list:

- Open up your glove compartment or center console without asking
- Fiddle with your radio, change the station, raise the volume w/o asking
- Want to talk through your car window or with the door open before getting in. Please get in immediately and we'll talk once we're rolling.
- Ask to use your cell phone

On the street this SW looked like a prime piece of eye candy. You could even see from 50 yards away that she had a very pretty face. She was also attractively thin with a nice ass, a little tall (maybe 5 feet 7) to be a true spinner, but certainly a nice total package. I went around the block to catch her down a side street and I thought for sure someone would have scooped her up, because she was definitely in the top 5% of SWs on the Ave in the looks category. I felt lucky when I found her still there after my spin around the block, and she looked just as good sitting next to me as she did a good distance away on the K.

On the way to the Carlyle we had a pleasant discussion and she seemed quite warm and personable. Jennifer is 30, although her face could pass for younger. She says she has been working the Ave on and off for 5 years or so and even before that, taking time off here and there. All I know is that I had never seen her before. I would have definitely remembered. She seemed to know that she looks good. She was applying makeup all the way during the drive: lip gloss, eye liner, eye shadow, powder, and even some sparkles. I liked the sparkles especially; there was something about them that seemed slutty and hot. I have seen a few dancers that wear them as well. I guess she was trying to look good because I had mentioned that I wanted to take some pics, with which she was ok.

When we got to the Carlyle, and she started to undress, I had a letdown on my anticipation of what her body would look like. She looked a lot better dressed than undressed. Her tits were tiny and saggy, with thickish brownish nipples (I prefer the cute perky pink ones) and not at all attractive. Her stomach didn’t have stretch marks nor was it flabby, but it wasn’t the taut spinner-like tummy I would have desired. Her ass was a bit saggy as well and looked better in those jeans than naked. And, while I can tolerate trimmed and would rather shaved, a very hairy bush is a turnoff.

Jennifer was up for a few pics but quickly got anxious to get going and she wasn’t game for any BJ shots. She did an above average job giving me a BBBJ, nothing fantastic but certainly not terrible. She couldn’t quite DT me but she had a nice and exciting technique. Fucking her was a bit routine; it made me wish I had finished with her sucking my cock. I almost pulled out and did that. It wasn’t like she was a terrible lay; it’s just that she obviously wasn’t into it, like, ho hum, fuck me good, big boy. Looking at her watch would have been the perfect metaphor, like in the movie Klute when Jane Fonda does that while she is fucking a client and making believe she is having fun.

Ratings? Face: 5 stars (she was very pretty; you can’t take that away from her); Body: 2 ½ stars (give her a boob job, a tummy tuck, plump up and shape her ass, and mow the lawn and she might have a body to match her face); BJ: 3 stars (uninspired ,but nice technique); Fucking: 2 ½ stars (the only really good thing about fucking her was having a pretty face to stare at; you certainly didn’t have to close your eyes and fantasize); Personality: 3 stars (she was 5 stars in the car talking, but 2 stars fucking, where it counts); Overall? 2 ½ stars; Repeatability? I’ll pass (except maybe if I am hungry for a quick car BJ, unless she gets a personality transplant for when she is fucking).

It doesn’t happen very often but Jennifer is proof positive that what you think you see isn’t always what you actually get. I think the best use of her is for her lips to be wrapped around your cock as you watch that pretty face bob up and down on it. I can't dispute that was a hot sight to behold.

I definitely should have shaved her before taking these pics and fucking her.

I dated Jen at least 7-8 times back well over 5 years ago--she was one of my ATF's. Time and addiction have clearly taken their toll on her--she used to look fantastic without her clothes on. She was always a girl who drifted in and out of the street scene--back in the day, you might not find her for months at a time.

Jen and I had some really nice dates--she performed the best CG on me that I have ever had, and her attitude and personality made it that much better. I remember her riding me sweetly, while smiling down at me and asking me if I liked it.

She was not like most SW's, and a true case of YMMV. I was nice to her, and went out of my way a few times to "help" her out--she returned the kindness in bed.

Glad to know Jen is still amongst the living--sad to see how her looks have deteriorated over time.

[QUOTE=Coconut Poke]Thanks for sharing this, Super. I felt that it made the anecdotes come alive, and seeing Throat's writing style (which was impressive) helped get to know her a little better. I don't need to know her identity; I want to feel her personality.

As stated previously, I admire the quantity and quality of what you bring to the forum. Keep it up. And let us know when your book comes out.[/QUOTE]

You can be annoying and antagonistic and a pain in the butt, and then have a flip side which is thoughtful, intelligent and appreciative. All I can say is that you are a real puzzle to me yet, CP.

Your observation is right on the money that Deep Throat (in her various guises) is impressive, and is not a typical SW on the Ave. She is smart, is not a drug user (although there is no definitive way to prove such), uses a computer, is an avid reader of this forum, has a distinctive perspective, and exhibits a writing style that shows a better command of the English language than many of the mongers on here.

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]I definitely should have shaved her before taking these pics and fucking her.[/QUOTE]
She does look like she's got Buckwheat in a leg lock. You managed a great total package shot of your subject and you're 100% right, she looks alot better with the clothes on!

Great Report Super
BadBoy

[QUOTE=Chriseff] ...Glad to know Jen is still amongst the living--sad to see how her looks have deteriorated over time.[/QUOTE]

Her face is still first rate, but her body has the mileage of a 40 something. You can see for yourself in the pics I took.

I think years on the K are like dog years: you age in some ratio, like maybe somewhere between 3 to 5 to one.

[QUOTE=Ssssbadboyssss]She does look like she's got Buckwheat in a leg lock. You managed a great total package shot of your subject and you're 100% right, she looks alot better with the clothes on!

Great Report Super
BadBoy[/QUOTE]

OMG...I laughed over that phrase! I must be out of it because I had never heard it before but I looked it up, and it is even in the Urban Dictionary.

Boot camp should be mandatory for SWs, which should include basic hygiene, cock sucking 101 (the drill sergeants should be MILFs), knowing and avoiding the 10 things that most irritate mongers and rule number one: keep the coochie hairless.

[QUOTE=Chriseff]I dated Jen at least 7-8 times back well over 5 years ago--she was one of my ATF's. Time and addiction have clearly taken their toll on her--she used to look fantastic without her clothes on.[/QUOTE]Ditto all that. Yes I also dated Jen a few times several years ago but haven't seen her in very long time. Was she in prison or something? Last I remember her she was definitely showing signs of going downhill. If anything she actually looks better here than I remember from those final sightings. As Chriseff says she could be (and usually was) a good provider, looks, attitude, performance. But probably because of her bad habit she wasn't always that good.

I know she was reported on back then and I could swear there was once a picture of her posted as well but I don't see it in Duke's Photo Index. In fact Jen dates back to the time when Duke and Old Dog (now Dr. Strangelove if I recall) were among the primary posters on the Philly boards.

[QUOTE=CookyJar]To both, Sryan809 and Bad Girl 1979, I hate being so cold but;

[b][u]I'd rather be a hammer than a nail.[/u][/b]

Sryan809 wasn’t the first. Bad girl was banned in 2008. They won’t be the last.

We should always keep things in perspective. We should not be out looking for love, a wife or girlfriend. It’s just entertainment. Like TV, the movies or a good play, it may be fun and look real; but it isn’t.

CookyJar[/QUOTE]

Amen, Cooky. Like all entertainment, some is good and some is bad. So, like it or not girls, we are going to evaluate and rate it. It's our money and we can spend it on you, or not. So you can have a piss poor attitude and have piss poor clients or you can have a great attitude and have great clients. You don't think that is true? Read some of the comments in here from the better regular mongers who appreciate and reward excellent service. They will seek you out, treat you decently and pay you fairly. Or, you can decide that doesn't matter to you, and accept the monger dregs you so richly deserve.

As a fellow SW photojournalist I would have to say that you did some terrific work with the Tonya pics. The photos captured different alluring facial expressions and body poses in a way I could only characterize as ART! Congrats, CJ.

I have an interesting question for all of you mongers to ponder. I have noticed a considerable number of SWs like to keep their socks on while they suck and fuck on indoor dates. I had/have some theories about this and I have asked a few of them why they do this, but I am not sure whether I am getting the real reason or the ready "excuse" they would have me believe. The most common "excuse" they tell me is that their feet are cold; but I notice they do this on a hot, sweltering day in summer just as well as a cold day in winter. Another thing I have noticed is that a few of them stuff their pay in their socks, like it is their safe deposit box, so that is a possible reason for some if the socks are long enough. My real suspicion is that it is a psychological protection. For the same reasons many SWs don't like to kiss (because it violates that protective barrier they like to maintain between pure business and true sexual intimacy), I believe that they wear their socks: because in their heads they are not truly totally naked and vulnerable. I could be all wet on this, but what would the big deal be about kissing and touching lips, if they are willing to wrap their lips around and swallow your cock and your cum? That doesn't make any sense unless the reason is totally psychological. I think the same thing applies to socks? What do you think? I will be asking Deep Throat as well.

[QUOTE=Supereloquent]I have an interesting question for all of you mongers to ponder. I have noticed a considerable number of SWs like to keep their socks on while they suck and fuck on indoor dates. I had/have some theories about this and I have asked a few of them why they do this, but I am not sure whether I am getting the real reason or the ready "excuse" they would have me believe. The most common "excuse" they tell me is that their feet are cold; but I notice they do this on a hot, sweltering day in summer just as well as a cold day in winter. Another thing I have noticed is that a few of them stuff their pay in their socks, like it is their safe deposit box, so that is a possible reason for some if the socks are long enough. My real suspicion is that it is a psychological protection. For the same reasons many SWs don't like to kiss (because it violates that protective barrier they like to maintain between pure business and true sexual intimacy), I believe that they wear their socks: because in their heads they are not truly totally naked and vulnerable. I could be all wet on this, but what would the big deal be about kissing and touching lips, if they are willing to wrap their lips around and swallow your cock and your cum? That doesn't make any sense unless the reason is totally psychological. I think the same thing applies to socks? What do you think? I will be asking Deep Throat as well.[/QUOTE]

As soon as I started reading this post I thought "You're never really naked if you have your socks on". I actually say that line quite alot and I do believe it's the reason. I don't think it's safety because if I were gonna rob a provider if she was a SW the first place I'd go is for the socks, if she worked outta hotel it would be behind the dresser. They all seem to hide their valuables in the same manner.( I'm not saying I would rob anyone, just making a point.) I think it's one more emotional barrier that insulates one situation from another.

SW Psychology 101
BadBoy