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HELP, I'VE BEEN ARRESTED!
Okay, so, you have been arrested. You are in a state of shock, and are angry that it happened to you. Believe me, whatever you are going through, some one else has been through it before. Here are some tips to help you get through your experience, which you need to do for your protection, as well as to have a good defense available when you go to court. (these tips are also good to keep in mind if you have not been arrested yet- so you remember what to do if it happens to you.)
* Write down all the events that led up to your arrest. When did the undercover cop call you, what did he say on the telephone, what did he say when he arrived? What was he wearing- did he get undressed and if so, what was this size of his penis, etc. Was his penis erect when he got undressed? How about when you got undressed? Did he have any tattoos, or other unusual identifying marks on his body that will prove to a jury that the cop was fully undressed before he arrested you? Did he let you give him a massage before he arrested you? For how long? Did he make you give him oral sex or have intercourse with you? How many other cops were involved in arresting you? If the first officer allowed you to get undressed, when the other cops arrived, did they see you naked before they allowed you to get dressed? Did they take pictures of you in your underwear or while you were naked? Did they take anything from your house or apartment, and if so, did they give you a property receipt for it? Was everything they took listed properly on the receipt? Did they say why they needed to take anything from your apartment or go through your purse? Be sure they correctly list the amount of money you have in your purse, or you can kiss it goodbye. If you are missing anything when you return to you home after you have been released from jail on bail, be sure to check every room incase they moved it somewhere else. If it is not anywhere, file a theft report as soon as possible, and give a copy of the report to your attorney. These are things that are important to remember if you do get to go to trial. So, write them down as soon as possible before you forget them.
* When seeking a lawyer, here are some things to think about. If you decide to go with a public defender, which you may want to do if you have no money, remember that they are being paid by the same people who are prosecuting you- and for many of them, it is just a game. Many public defenders are so over worked with cases, they just want you to plead guilty and take the mandatory jail time. To them, having you go to jail for 45 days is no big deal- after all, they might be defending someone accused of murder and the sentence for that is much more serious than a mere 45 days. So, even though it is your freedom at stake and going to jail for even one day seems like the end of the world to you, they are not necessarily going to be sympathetic, so keep that in mind. If you tell them that you want to fight your case, they will probably tell you that you haven't got a chance of winning and tell you that you should plead guilty to save them some time. You might get lucky and get a public defender who believes that the law is wrong, and decides to help you fight it, but don't count on it. You get what you pay for.
Let's say that you decide to hire an attorney that isn't a public defender. How do you know who is a good one and who is not? You need to find someone who is (a) either experienced in handling prostitution cases and knows the law and the system, or, (b) someone who is cause oriented and thinks the prostitution laws are wrong and will fight tooth and nail to defend you. Yes, this might cost you money- unfortunately, that's the price of choosing to engage in behavior that is outside the "acceptable" norm. If you haven't been arrested yet, you may want to sock away some money to pay for a lawyer incase you do get arrested. It is well worth taking the time and money to speak to an attorney before you get arrested and know that you have someone you can call on the minute you are sitting in the local police station being booked.
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IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ARRESTED YET, WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT?
No matter what I tell you, you will never be prepared for it when it happens. Being arrested is a traumatic and humiliating experience that can leave you in shock. If you are arrested in your own home, you might feel much like a rape victim does and be afraid to be left alone or feel like you have to move away. You will probably not feel safe in your own place for a while. If the police have broken down your door to enter your home, you will probably experience fear of a reentry attack. There is little to do for such a feeling except to let time pass- and the feeling will eventually go away. You can seek therapy for your trauma, but it is important that you find a therapist or counselor who will not judge you for your profession and try to add guilt to the mixture of unstable emotions. You should ask some of your peers if they know of a therapist who will understand your situation and who will not try to blame your traumatized emotions on your work.
Most times when women are arrested for misdemeanor prostitution, they will be taken to the local police or sheriff's station and fingerprinted and booked. The officer who arrests you will probably tell you it won't take very long to go through the process of being booked, but, take it from those who have been there- it always takes many hours longer than they tell you it will. They want you to remain calm, so they will lie to you in order to keep you from getting more upset. Be prepared to be in custody overnight or even longer- and if you are released early, you can consider yourself lucky.
Ultimately, you will be given the opportunity to make a phone call to contact a bail bonds person or your lawyer. Be sure that you have someone you can call who can make these calls for you incase you can't remember their numbers or incase you are only given one chance to make a call. If you have a friend available to take a call from you in the middle of the night, so much the better. Give him or her all the information necessary to get you out such as your location, your booking number and the arrest charge to give the bail bonds person. If you are released on your own "recognizance," that means that you don't have to post bail to get out. You will simply have to sign the arrest 'ticket' and agree to appear at your arraignment on the date you are given.
Now, back to what it is like in jail. I can't speak for all jails- as I have only been to Los Angeles' Sybil Brand Institute. It is horribly overcrowded and an unpleasant place to be.
If you are taken to jail after you have been booked at the police or sheriff's station, you will have to go through the process all over again, unless the jail holding facility is in the same place as you were taken to begin with. If it is in a separate location as it is in LA, you will be told to remove your shoes and stockings or socks and checked for drugs. If you have any jewelry, earrings, rings, etc. they will take them from you at this time. You will be given a receipt for all your things, but be sure they have listed everything they take from you. If it isn't listed on the receipt when they give it to you, you will probably never be able to prove they took it, and you can be sure that they will have some nice new jewelry to wear to the next cop party. Sad, but all too true!
Next, you will be placed in a holding tank until it is your turn to be given a shower and checked for lice. In the holding tank, you have no privacy, so if at all possible, use the bathroom at the police station before you are taken to jail. There is usually no toilet paper in the holding tank, and the toilet is usually always overflowing. If you are on your period, you will not be able to find tampons, only pads, if you are lucky. Sometimes the women's jails are out of the basic necessities of life. Remind yourself that this is not a permanent situation, and no matter how humiliating it will be, it will be over eventually.
When the other inmates who are called trustees bring coffee, fruit and sandwiches, do not turn them down even if you aren't hungry. The other women in the tank will get angry with you, and you don't want to make any enemies here. Take the food and when the guards aren't looking you can give it away.
When it is your turn to be given a shower, it is better to know what to expect. If you are at all shy, this will be a very unpleasant experience. You have to shower and wash your hair in front of the female officers, and when you get out of the shower, you will have your head checked for lice and a body cavity search. . . meaning you have to bend over and spread your legs. . . and no, you won't get paid for this one! You will then be given a jail gown and your bedroll. Even if you think that you will be out of jail soon, you will still be given all this as they don't know when you will be released so they only go through the process once. If you are released quickly, you simply give them the property back when you leave.
After you have been showered and checked for lice, you will most likely be fingerprinted even if they did it at the police station. After that, they will have you escorted to the dorm where you will be housed until you have been released. There are usually pay phones there, so you can continue to try to contact someone to bail you out. Each jail facility has a different time that lights go out and the telephones are turned off, but regardless, you can still be bailed out any time at all. When it is your turn, the officer will call your name over the loudspeaker even if it is four o'clock in the morning (did you expect to get some sleep in here???) If you attempt to ask an officer any questions in the meantime, they usually don't answer you, so don't get frustrated. Usually another inmate will have whatever answer you need, so be friendly and ask them. Believe me, if you are in jail on a prostitution charge, but don't think you should have been arrested, this is not the place to tell anyone that the cops wrongly arrested you. You will not find any sympathy at all here! Many of the women in county jails have been arrested for prostitution at one time or another, and have no patience for women who think they are too good to be there. As I said earlier, this is not a place to make enemies. You will need to have a friend to tell you what's going on in there if nothing else- so, be cool and go along with the program. No, you don't have to become anyone's love slave here- so don't think that being friendly is going to get you there.
Remember that the county jails are filled with more and more gang members- women gang members are numerous- so don't say things that will offend one group or another. The best behavior is to keep your mouth shut, be friendly but reserved.
It is difficult to know ahead of time what your bail will be- because it varies from case to case. Sometimes it is a low bail and sometimes high- it just depends on the officers who are arresting you or in what city you were arrested. If you have prior arrests or convictions, your bail will probably be higher.
Once you have posted bail, you will be given back your property and or money that you gave to the booking officer. Check to be sure that all the property and money is there, because once you have left the building, it is too late to claim something is
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* IF I DON'T TALK ABOUT SEX, BUT HE DOES, I WON'T GET INTO TROUBLE. Wrong. The new laws in California allow the police officer to lure you with talk of sex for money or other consideration and then arrest you if you agree to do it. You don't have to say anything about sex or money to get arrested. It can be said that you "agree" to do something when you merely nod your head or even smile at him when he suggests that you perform an act of sex for money.
* IF HE ASKS ABOUT A CERTAIN SEX ACT & I SAY NO, CAN I STILL GET ARRESTED? Yes. As ridiculous as it seems, if the undercover cop asks you about a specific sex act (such as "greek") and you say "no" to that specific act, you can still be arrested because it implies that you are willing to do other acts of sex. If someone begins to ask too many specific questions, you should immediately tell him that sex for money is illegal, and he should stop trying to get you to break the law. Whenever a man needs to keep talking about what he will get for his money, it should make you think something is wrong. (more info next paragraph)
* AS LONG AS I SAY "NO" WHEN HE ASKS ME ABOUT SEX AND MONEY, I WON'T GET ARRESTED, RIGHT? You would think so, but the fact is, they can manipulate the conversation to the point that they say you are agreeing to an act of sex even if you say "no" to a specific question. Here's how it can happen. There was a woman who was arrested for prostitution about two years ago, even though she had told the undercover cop "no" when he asked her if she did "Greek" (a slang term for anal sex). The reasoning he used was as follows. . . when he arrived at her home, she was vague about what services he would receive for his money. She told him that he would have a good time. When he continued to press her for more specific information, she continued to be evasive. He then asked her if she did "Greek," to which she replied "no." She was then arrested, because it was implied that she would do other sexual things to him even if she would not do one specific thing. A good lawyer should get the case dismissed, but you can still be arrested and have to spend money to defend yourself, so insist that you do not do anything sexual, especially if he keeps asking. A real client knows what he will receive and doesn't need to play word games with you.
* THE POLICE NEED A SEARCH WARRANT TO COME INTO MY HOME AND ARREST ME IN THE FIRST PLACE, RIGHT? No, if they suspect you of breaking the law, they can set you up through a sting operation, and, if you violate the law, they can then search your place and take you into custody. In the past, the police have taken computers,video equipment, cameras and other electronic equipment, as well as bondage equipment as 'evidence.' If they take something with them for whatever reason, they are supposed to give you a property receipt listing whatever property they confiscate, but they frequently do not, which means that you can kiss whatever they took goodbye. Even if they do give you a property receipt, there is no guarantee that your property will be returned. Often they will tell you it is needed for the case against you, even if it is clear that it has no bearing on your case, and the police will continue to keep it indefinitely, or until it is "lost" in the property room. Either way, the odds are against your ever seeing it again, nevertheless, be sure to make a record of what they take and give it to your lawyer. If you have a homeowners insurance policy, you might be able to make a claim and get reimbursed for your losses.
* A POLICE OFFICER HAS TO TELL ME HE IS A COP IF I ASK HIM, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO! Cops have complete immunity to lie to you - because if that is all we had to do to protect ourselves, cops would never make any arrests! Furthermore, in some states he can legally get undressed and actually have sex with you and still arrest you! In other states where it is not legal for him to have sex with you first, but he does anyway, when he gets on the witness stand, he will lie and the judge and jury will believe him, not you! It isn't fair, but that's the way things are. So, don't think you are safe from arrest just because he has sex with you. If he does get undressed or has sex with you, be sure to write down the physical description of his private parts - the size of his penis, if his body is really hairy or smooth, or if he has any scars or tattoos, and give a copy of your notes to your attorney and hide the original somewhere safe.
*THE POLICE CAN'T LEGALLY TAPE RECORD OUR CONVERSATIONS AND USE THEM IN COURT, CAN THEY? Ask Heidi Fleiss about that! Yes, they can, and often will tape record and video tape you when they call you or when you are with them at your house or in their hotel room and then use the tapes against you in court. The only one who doesn't get to use tape recordings of conversations in court, is you. Of course, if you do make an audio or video tape recording of the event which directly conflicts with the police version of the situation, you should notify your lawyer that such a tape exists, and then make copies of it. Do not give your only copy to anyone, even a lawyer, as such copies have been known to conveniently disappear. There are unscrupulous lawyers who are willing to tamper with the evidence and help the police, so that the police will give them consideration on a "more important case." Also, there are lawyers who use drugs themselves, and the cops know about it, so they can easily "persuade" the lawyer to assist them against you. To them, you are just a '*****,' and whatever happens to you is not really important to them. (for more information, see Book One on police entrapment and wiretapping)
* AFTER I HAVE BEEN ARRESTED- CAN THE POLICE COME INTO MY HOME WHEN I AM JUST WITH FRIENDS? No - not until you are on probation. They need probable cause to enter your home, and just being with friends is not against the law. They can't just come in and harass you. If they do, you can sue them.
*If you accept probation as your sentence - you have lost all your rights for the time being - which means that the police don't need an excuse to harass you and accuse you of violating your probation. If you even jay-walk, that constitutes a violation of your probation and you can go to jail for the entire length of your probation sentence. Let's say the maximum time for the first offense for prostitution is 45 days in jail, but if you accept probation and you get 3 years probation, then if you violate your probation - you can go to jail for three years, not 45 days. When you are on probation, the police can enter your home without a search warrant and stop you in a car for no reason. If you are visiting a friend's house, the police can enter your friend's house without a search warrant too, so if they have drugs or other illegal possessions, you can be charged with violating your probation just for being there.
So, if you decide to plead guilty and not take a jury trial, you will not get the opportunity again to tell anyone your side of the story. If you are charged with a violation of your probation, you don't get a trial - you just go to jail.
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"SO, WHAT IS 'PROSTITUTION' ANYWAY?" In California, it is a misdemeanor, defined as it is 'any lewd act for money or other consideration.' "Lewd'' is defined as the touching of male genitalia and buttocks and female genitalia, breasts and buttocks for the purpose of sexual gratification or arousal . That means that just touching your breasts, buttocks or genitals and he gets aroused- and he is giving you money or other consideration, you have technically broken the law. The law doesn't say that you have to touch his body or he has to touch yours in order for it to be illegal.
As for what "other consideration" is... the courts in California said that if someone "mows your lawn" that can be "other consideration."
A few years ago, California passed a law that amended the penal code to allow a police officer to legally entrap a person suspected of prostitution. We call the new law a 'use a smile, go to prison' law, because the law says, "A person agrees to engage in an act of prostitution when, with specific intent to so engage, he or she manifests an acceptance of an offer or solicitation to so engage, regardless of whether the offer or solicitation was made by a person who also possessed the specific intent to engage in prostitution." In other words, no longer are words are necessary to commit this verbal crime.....facial expressions (smiling, winking) or body gestures will do! So, if the other person says "will you do this or that (that's sexual) to me" and offers you money or other consideration, you don't have to say anything at all to get arrested. And if that wasn't bad enough, in 1996, another new law, passed by a liberal democrat (Richard Katz), allows the police to arrest you for merely possessing the intent to commit prostitution!*(see full description of this law in BAD LAWS - CALIFORNIA.)
Being arrested on a charge of prostitution carries a mandatory sentence on the first offense.
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*"WHAT IS 'PANDERING'?" Pandering, a felony, is defined as merely 'encouraging a person.....by schemes, devices and promises.....to commit an act of prostitution.' It has a mandatory prison term of three, four or six years on the first offense, with no prior convictions.
No distinction is made between coercive, juvenile prostitution and non-coercive adult prostitution. Pandering can be the act of two prostitutes who work together, who simply exchange clients, or arrange a 'double date' with a client. Giving out the phone number of one prostitute to a potential client (or undercover vice officer) is sufficient to be charged with pandering.
So, if you help your friend find clients, even if she asks you to, and even if you don't take a cut, you are committing a felony and must go to prison for three to six years if you are convicted of the charge. If you take any money from her for arranging the date, that is another crime- also a felony, called "pimping."
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"WHAT IS PIMPING'?" Living off the earnings of a prostitute, whether in full or in part. This law also carries a mandatory prison term of three to six years on the first offense. It is common practice for women who work together to take a percentage of the money for the date they arrange for their friend. The police know this and use the law against us as a way to make us cooperate with them. When we don't want to cooperate with them, the law is often applied to, or is threatened to be applied to, a prostitute's landlord, in attempts to get the landlord to evict the prostitute from his/her apartment. In some cases, it is also used against a prostitute's mother or father, brothers and sisters, when it can be proved that the prostitute contributes any money to them.
Legally, a 'pimp' need not be a man with a string of girls, who drives a 'pimpmobile' and wears gaudy, flashy clothing, the man that the public sees as forcing young women onto drugs and into a life of prostitution. A pimp can be the bank, the grocery store; anyone who takes money from a prostitute ... from her earnings as a prostitute, is legally 'guilty' of pimping.
This law was originally intended to protect the prostitute, because often the prostitute was perceived as a victim of someone who would take all of her money and leave her destitute. As with most 'protectionist' legislation, it is more often used against the 'victim' than against those who would victimize her.
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NOTE : IF YOU LIVE AND WORK IN A STATE OTHER THAN CALIFORNIA, THE LAWS IN YOUR STATE MAY BE DIFFERENT. USE THIS INFORMATION AS A REFERENCE GUIDE ONLY- CHECK OUT THE LAWS THROUGH A LAW LIBRARY OR WITH A CRIMINAL LAWYER WHERE YOU LIVE.
SENTENCES FOR PANDERING, PIMPING AND PROSTITUTION ALSO VARY STATE TO STATE. YOU CAN PURCHASE A COPY OF YOUR STATE'S PENAL CODE FROM ANY LEGAL BOOKSTORE. READ FOR ALL REFERENCES TO THE SEX WORK YOU ENGAGE IN AND MEMORIZE THE LAWS! YOUR BEST DEFENSE IS KNOWLEDGE! DON'T LET THEM GET YOU UNAWARE!
****Warning - the information in this page is the opinion of the author and is not intended to take the place of legal advice - and if you are arrested, you should seek the services of a qualified attorney in your state.****
I know what you're thinking. You only do massage therapy, domination, act in porn movies, work for a licensed escort service or do nude dancing. How could they arrest you for prostitution? Isn't a prostitute that poor ignorant drug addict who stands on the streets and sells her body for a few bucks to anyone who comes along? What you were doing was not illegal, was it? And besides, the cop who arrested you. . . he entrapped you, and that's illegal, isn't it?
If you live in California, entrapment for prostitution is legal (even though it should be unconstitutional, it has not been ruled against because no one has been able to get a case heard in a high court of appeals), thanks to liberal democrats who desire to protect us poor stupid women from being exploited. And, in California, prostitution is so vaguely defined that it probably includes behavior that you thought was acceptable and legal. You probably thought that if you didn't have sexual intercourse or give a "blow job" you were not committing prostitution. Or, you thought that if you were doing these things in front of a camera, you were protected - just exercising your first amendment rights. And if you thought that you weren't breaking the law because you didn't take money for the sex act, but you took other consideration instead, you are wrong.
Unfortunately, if you get arrested, and if you plead guilty or are convicted, you may end up with a prostitution record which will brand you as a prostitute forever. Such a record will prevent you from being able to do certain things, so it is important not to plead guilty or get a conviction if at all possible. Not to mention a conviction for prostitution carries a mandatory jail sentence on the first offense, and sometimes up to a year on the second offense.
* Know what your rights are and know the law!!!!! The police expect you to be ignorant of your rights and of the law - so they often get away with doing things to you that are illegal. By knowing what the law is and what your rights are, you can protect yourself from police abuse.
* Know a good attorney and a bail bonds person who will be there for you if you get arrested - not every bail bonds company will bail out women or men who have been arrested on prostitution charges. They will bail out men who have been accused of beating their wives, or who have committed armed robbery, but not men or women who have been charged with being exploited for money!
* Fight the law - do not plead guilty - take your case to trial - make them work to put you in jail. The law is wrong and should be fought. If we all fight our cases, instead of giving in, the courts would be more overcrowded than ever, and the police would have to stop arresting us.
* Giving the names of your friends or your clients to the police will not help you get a lesser sentence. The police will tell you that if you cooperate with them, they can help you with the judge- but the reality is that they can't do anything at all, so if you turn in your friends or your clients, you do so for nothing, and you have lost your friend.
* After your first arrest, the likelihood of your getting arrested again within the next few weeks or months (until your case has been resolved) increases 90 percent more than before you were arrested the first time. The reason for this is simply because the police want to keep you from pleading not guilty in court. If you have never been arrested before, and go before a judge, you may be able to convince him or her that your arrest was a mistake- but, if you get arrested again right away, before your case has been settled, you will have a more difficult time convincing a judge or city attorney that you really are not a prostitute and should not get the mandatory jail sentence.
* Always exercise extreme caution when speaking to anyone, including those you know well. If they suddenly begin asking questions that involve money or sex - questions that they already know the answers to - bells should go off in your head. Tell him, "Why whatever do you mean?" Don't give the cops ammunition to use against you. Always talk to your clients (on the phone and in person) as though your conversation was being tape recorded and will be played in front of a jury. Don't say anything that will incriminate you.
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COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS:
* IF NO MONEY CHANGES HANDS, I HAVE NOT BROKEN THE LAW. The law only requires that you "manifest an acceptance of the offer" and does not say that you take the money. All you have to do to get arrested is to agree (by smiling or nodding your head) to touch his buttocks or genitals (through massage or dominance) or to let him touch yours, and agree to take a fee for it - in cash, or other consideration.* The crime of prostitution is all a word game- based on getting a 'solicitation' rather than an actual act out of a suspect. Anything further, such as getting you to get undressed or taking the money they offer, is just 'icing' on their legal case against you.
* I ONLY DANCE NUDE AND MASTURBATE MYSELF. IS THAT PROSTITUTION? The law says prostitution is "a lewd act for money or other consideration," which is "the touching of breast, buttocks or genitals for the purpose of sexual gratification or arousal." (later on we will explain this further.) Notice that it doesn't say who touches whose breast, buttocks or genitals in order for it to be lewd conduct. The vagueness of the law allows the act of masturbation to be included in the definition of prostitution if the other person (who is paying) becomes aroused or achieves sexual gratification while watching you and that is what they are paying for. So, whether you masturbate yourself, or, if you have a girl-girl show where you touch the breasts, buttocks or genitals of a third party, if the individual who is paying you gets aroused, etc. you have broken the law.
* IF I DON'T SEE ANY NEW PEOPLE, I AM OKAY. We know from many cases that the police have followed clients after they leave the house of the sex worker they see, and threaten to tell his boss or his family if he doesn't cooperate with them and help the police arrest you. So, even if the person that you see is an old friend, be careful if he starts to ask you questions about money or sex that you know he already knows. Also, if he tells you that he has a friend that would like to see you, and he has never done that before, approach the situation with extreme caution. It may be fine- but it also may be a set up. As the saying goes- it is better to be safe than sorry!
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Three X
Without reading too much into it, you posts sound like advice mostly to providers. I don't think they read this board too much, at least they don't post.
I would think there are info on the net better organized for these kind of static information. If not, you can put these on geocity or the like. Easier to read.
Are you a lawyer? Just as LE will be very convincing if they are trying to be nice to you, the same goes for the advice, or any advice. I would trust more if the source is ACLU etc or lawyers. For example, many providers move once every few months rather than anything else, unless they found a neighborhood very accomodating.
I would recommend traffic school. It's easy to get in California, just drive over the limit before LE. They are everywhere when the city is poor. You have to face an LE for hours while he teaches how LE works and how to fight it. Though traffic ticket is trivial but you get the universal essence how LE works. Since most people if they once go to traffic school, they seems to go every 2 years, it's a good source of philosophy about LE. See my particular example in Hollywood, Cali.
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Three X, You are making way too big a deal out of all this. Bail bondsmen and trial lawyers for O & A and solicitation charges? The average SW who is arrested spends less than 12 hours in jail and often gets out on a $75.00 bond. I know hookers who have been arrested dozens of times and rarely spend more than a day in jail.
Also, the system just does not have room to incarcerate every hooker or petty drug addict who violates probation. Ususally it takes several violations to even get a month in jail.
High profile prostitution cases? You're lucky if you see more than two or three a year in the whole country.
Don't let them get you unaware? The average SW looks at incarceration as a vacation. A chance to gain back some weight, meet with their friends, and get healthy.
Now you might be talking high priced call girls or something here. They are looking at a slap on the wrist as well.
Just who are you giving this advice to anyway? This is a board for mongers, not sex workers, even though a few might be reading our posts.
Also, I checked the law books: there is no mandatory minimum for pandering and pimping. Pandering will usually get you about a month or so for your first conviction, but you will have a felony on your record. Pimping will probably get you some peniteniary time but not necessarily.
A year sentence on your second conviction for hooking: BS
Obviously you've read some books but have no first hand or practical knowledge of the penal system. What bothers cops the most is the people they arrest day in and day out, hookers who always have crack on them when they get busted, rarely get more than a few days. I remember a SW that lived with me once who got busted by an officer for VUCSA (crack cocaine), shoplifting, and and an FTA for prostitution who he took to jail and he couldn't believe it when he saw us walking down the street after she'd been PR'd and his shift wasn't even over yet.
And it is illegal to give a fictious name. Most actors have had their names legally changed, and if they hadn't they would be required to give the police their real name if arrested.
* I ONLY DANCE NUDE AND MASTURBATE MYSELF. IS THAT PROSTITUTION? Wrong again 3x. Otherwise the live peep shows would be shut down.
"Giving the names of your friends or your clients to the police will not help you get a lesser sentence." Also, totally incorrect. Just make sure your lawyer negotiates it.
"A pimp can be the bank, the grocery store; anyone who takes money from a prostitute ... from her earnings as a prostitute, is legally 'guilty' of pimping." Again, complete and total BS! It may be true like the law that says it's illegal to shoot a camel in Boston after dark, but how many bankers have gone to jail for opening a checking account for a hooker. None.
"incase you are only given one chance to make a call." In pre and post book you can make as many calls as you want, you just have to be quick because there are other's waiting for the phone.
Civ2000
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I didn't write this it was on another board! The writer was a massage girl years ago and now she works for a prostitution legalisation group!
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The BBC have an article on proposals to have red light districts.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/3788013.stm
Personally, I think the right place to have legal hookers is the zoo, along with the the monkeys, elephants and lizards. It would be fun feeding them and it would bring a new clientele to the zoos.
Domino,
As I lost my virginity under a lion waggon, I always get a hard on around animals. It would be great ass pounding a beefy hooker in a cage with lions on one side and gorillas on the other.
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Here's a follow up from the newspaper about the Florida state Supreme Court finally getting involved in the extortion scam of anyone arrested in prostitution stings having to pay an extra $1000 bribe to the police to get their car out of impound.
The city attorney for Hollywood Florida who gets his salary paid by you the taxpayers calls the court caving in "good news" because "the game is still on!"
Everyone already knows that since the state has a law that makes anyone arrested for drug felony cases forfeit their property, for many many years local law enforcement departments in West Palm Beach, Hollywood, Dania, Hallandale, and Miami decided to use their women employees to proposition drivers, so they can arrest them, and impound their cars for a tidy $1000 fee.
Add it up, 25 cars a sting, 5 stings a week, $30 million taxpayer dollars. Is anyone surprised that now they pull you over and fine you $100 for not wearing your seatbelt? But riding a motorcycle without a helmet is fine.
Its no accident that the extra income the stings generate, goes into accounts they control and spend as they see fit, not the taxpaying public. They decide who gets this money in bonuses and raises. Your taxes pay their salaries to protect you the public from crime. They have the guns, they have the power. No legal decision made by any powerless court in this country will stop the police.
So really who are the criminals? In a police state like the USA, courts can never
prevent the police from taking anything they want to. Balance of power?
3 equal branches of government? Its a nice concept, maybe someday, somehwere else, but not here.
Need proof ? A West Palm Beach 4th District Court judge finally told the police to stop. Well, the courts don't have the guns, so guess what?
Let's just say, have your bribe money ready, or you'll be taking a bus to work.
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Mangus, Good report but I am inclined to believe your numbers are a bit askew. Five stings a week impounding 25 cars per sting? If they did a sting five days a week no one would be picking up girls because a sting would lose its effectiveness being run on a daily basis. Even the most aggressive police departments don't run stings more than once or twice a month on average and most no more than five or six times a year. Also they would soon run out of non-recognizable female officers to work the sting.
Secondly, usually the stings go for 2 to 3 hours until they net anywhere from 5 to 15 johns, so the twenty-five vehicle number is rather high also.
Lastly, stings usually employ about 15 officers who are working overtime because they are taken away from their normal duties. Add in the time for paperwork, the cost of prosecuting the johns, jail time etc and you will find even at a cost of a grand per car they barely break even financially on sting operations. The reason they seize cars is because it is extremely effective in reducing prostitution activity in an area and because the vast majority of non-mongering citizens think its a great idea.
On that note if you are picking up SW's in these areas in an expensive car you are a fool. Find a 1976 Ford Pinto station wagon or equilivent and monger in that. They probably won't seize it because it would cost more to get rid of than they would make and if they do you're only out a couple of hundred bucks.
Most stings take place because businesses and residents of the affected area literally beg the cops to crack down.
All this IMHO of course.
Don't think I am defending the cops. I am not. I absolutely hate the police and think what they are doing is criminal, but facts are facts.
Civ2000
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Can someone explain to me how you can get some sort of ticket by walking in some wrong way in California?
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TallnHandsome,
I think what you're talking about is jaywalking, which is defined as crossing a street anywhere but at an intersection which has a crosswalk or a handicap access ramp, which, unbeknownst to most pedestrians and drivers, has the same status as a crosswalk (a cop told me this). You will definitely get a ticket for jaywalking across a major or busy thoroughfare in LA. The LAPD is pretty agggressive about this. Last I heard, the fine was $50. There is good reason for this; two well known people in the past ten years have been killed after being hit by cars while jaywalking across Wilshire Blvd. One was a female school board member, the other was the activist and former Yippie Jerry Rubin. Who knows how many unknowns have had a similar fate that doesn't merit printing in the paper.
In years past the LAPD had a reputation for stopping any pedestrian who "looked suspicious," which usually meant being black or Latino, especially in a white neighborhood. They no longer do this, thanks largely to some successful law suits.
That's the situation in LA. As for the rest of CA, I can't say. Jaywalking is illegal anywhere in the state, but whether the laws are enforced anywhere outside the City of the Angels, I don't know.
Lorenzo
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Civvy.
Maybe I exaggerated slightly, but when I said 5 stings a week, I'm talking about
for all of the PD's from Miami Beach, to Hialeah, Hollywood, Ft.Lauderdale, Boca, Delray, Lake Worth, West Palm, to Tampa, Orlando and Jacksonville, and everywhere in between, etc. etc. Don't know how well you know SoFla, but there's over 5 million in these 3 counties alone, that's plenty of work, and unlimited supply of suckers and their cash. Everybody's gotta work, and everybody gets paid, and everyone wants to get laid. This is not something they don't know. Instead of your cash going for pussy, it goes to pussy police.
Only 5 arrests in a sting? More like 5 in an hour, on a slow night. They rotate crews, so as soon as they drag one fool away in cuffs, they second crew's ready for the next sucker. There's enough female employees now that they don't run out of decoys.
Compared to the frightening crack monsters that walk these streets, any female that isn't dripping green ooze down her thighs is gonna have cars lined up down the block, just waiting their turn to get trapped. 15 cops? How about 5 plus the decoy. 2 teams of 2 for the takedown, plus one at the table to process the marks, plus the decoy. Oh, I forgot the paddy wagon driver, sorry!
Just read where they post the names. It always goes on for 2 pages. 20 to 25 is probably average. Pinto or Porsche, it don't matter. If you need to drive to work, its $1000 or no car. Obviously, for Jose the drunk gardner who was looking for a $5 blowjob from the major's secretary, he won't even have the cash to bail out, let alone get his jalopy back. But they'll let him make payments, and squeeze every dollar out of him that they can. And remember, that's only the start. By the time you finish paying the lawyer, who by no coincidence used to be the prosecutor and set the whole scam up with the judge and the cops, you're looking at another $3500. Again, a few years running the scam, and its in the millions.
Finally, you are 1000% mistaken saying that seizing cars is what reduces activity.
What reduces activity is picking up all the girls, and then stinging the customers and locking them up. The cars is ONLY about cash. Just look at any other city in the country that runs stings but doesn't charge $1000 to give back your car.
They reduce activity just as much. Down here, the only thing that stops the cars from pulling up to proposition officer skank ***** for a hummer, is when they close up shop for the night at 1 or 2 am. The difference between here and other states, is that other states aren't doing it for revenue, because they won't get away with it.
Here, that IS "the game", that's from the city attorney himself, not me! Some cities, they just give you a fucking ticket, and you pay a $50 fine. Here, you can spend 2 or 3 days in the can until they even let you bail out.
Facts are in the bank accounts you'll never see. The game in SoFla is serious business, get rich, get out. Greed rules, and its easier than taking candy from a baby down here. Busting upper level drug cases, bank robbers, killers, man that's too fucking dangerous, they might get shot, are you crazy?
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Mangus, Points well taken and I may have to change my position on a couple of items.
I do disagree however that seizing cars does not reduce activity. In places like Long Beach, California where they had been seizing cars activity was greatly reduced. It's one thing to risk a small fine for solicitation but the thought that you may lose your vehicle or have to pay a large amount to get it back is a great deterrent. I know a couple of guys who were arrested for prostitution and their wifes never even found out. But try explaining to your wife why the new SUV is gone.
Also, the type of car does matter. I've got a brand new truck and I'm looking for a cheap beater car for mongering. If they take my junker away, I will certainly not pay a grand to get it back, rather I'll just buy another junker. In a lot of places you pay 15% to get it back which in my case would be about $5000.
Also, the supreme court has ruled that when drugs are found in a car they are considered to be in the possession of all the occupants of the vehicle. Now, how many SW's do you know that might possibly be carrying a crack pipe? Lots. They can keep your car permanently in this scenario and then you'd be really glad you were driving the Pinto instead of the Porsche.
Generally the stings don't reduce activity too much because it is usually "Jose the gardener" or some newby that they catch. I would guesstimate that 90% of the mongers who pick up SW's on this board never get caught in stings because we know what to look out for.
My mongering days are over for a while until I find a cheap car. My city does not seize for solicitation but does for drugs and I've lost count of the number of crack pipes I've found in my car after a date.
Is it just me or does anyone have a clue what TallnHandsome is asking? His question was lost on me.
Civ
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Great news today in Phoenix. About 60 of the alleged prostitution cases filed by Sheriff Joes inept bumblers have been dismissed because of investigator misconduct.
Dumb MCSO shits need to go back to enforcing the law out in the county instead of trying to lead a moral crusade against hard working people trying to have a little fun in town.
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Civ2000 asks:
"Is it just me or does anyone have a clue what TallnHandsome is asking? His question was lost on me. "
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Civ,
I think he may be refering to how some jurisdictions will harass a girl for loitering, etc. when in actuality they're trying to discourage streetwalkers from working. They will sometimes use some weak-assed excuse or criteria to justify this harassment, but both the cops and the hookers know what's really going down.
I know this because they do it all the time in my town; it's why I don't do the SW scene anymore ( I stick to the stripclubs. Get into the right one and extras can be had for less than you think).
S.V.
