"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

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Both of the latter girls have a couple of things in common. They both had absent fathers from a young age, so the older man element is obviously there. They both also seem very eager for approval / validation. Simply by being nice to them and complimenting them on basic things seems to make them bloom. I am looking forward to keeping them both around as long as I can, hopefully none of the stripper problem signs will show up!

[/QUOTE]One technique I've been perfecting is using the "Fatherly Tone" when giving compliments about their physical appearance. Most hot girls are used to young men making crass, boisterous, or very blatant remarks about their appearance. Ie, "Damn! You got such a nice ass! But as you pointed out, many of these girls in the Sugar Bowl have absent fathers and they crave approval / validation from older authority figure. So instead of trying to be hip by mimicking comments from 20-something year-old guys, I use the fatherly tone (deep soft voice) and say "You look lovely in that dress". Or something like, "That color looks really good on you. ".

You'd be surprised just how effective making toned down compliments like that work with HYBs.

Strippers:

Takeout hunting in strip clubs is one of my favorite forms of the hobby. Because (depending on the club of course), it is relatively challenging, and I'm one that enjoys the chase as much as the act. The challenge with strippers is that they already have a job and often make decent money (assuming a hot girl in an upscale club) so getting them out of the club can truly test your game.

One of my favorite SBs I met when she had started dancing only a few weeks. Personality-wise she wasn't really the stripper type, even though looks-wise she was born for it (smoking hot). It didn't take her long to learn the ropes of the industry, but I got to be the lucky one who broke her in.

I'd imagine meeting one on the SD websites is a bit different -- they've already expressed an interest in being an SB at that point, so the hard part (talking them into the idea) is done for you. For those who were former strippers, it would be interesting to know why they left the biz if they are still hot. It isn't hard for a hottie to make several hundred per night dancing in many clubs, so if she stopped stripping there's surely an interesting story behind why. Maybe she is crossing over to a real career or going to school and struggling as a result? I'm sure they all have a different story to tell. If she's still actively stripping, I would think her allowance expectations might be on up there. The problem of course whenever talking about strippers is the assumption that they are all super hot, but we know that's not the case. Most of us have seen low-end strip clubs that had nothing but fat or nasty looking girls on stage. I bet most of the hot ones are looking for big bucks even if they settle for less.

I once met a hot little stripper in a club and talked to her about an arrangement. I basically told her I was good for $$ per date (I really would have given her more, maybe even twice that, but I wanted to see her reaction). She said that was fine and got my number. Well she did text me the next day as she said she would, but it was way too late to get together (she said she couldn't get away from her boyfriend). We texted back and forth over the next few weeks and I talked to her again at her work, but the date never happened. I had a feeling my offering might be too low to entice her to do what it takes to sneak away from her live-in bf. She mentioned to me that she was a little nervous about the whole thing because, she said she had boyfriends / sex partners she had met at the club before but had never agreed to something like this before and was still trying to condition her mind to go through with it. So, since it never happened I think if I were to do it again differently, I would have just offered her what I thought a fuck with her would be worth. She didn't have the assertive nature to negotiate so looking back I think it just wasn't enough money to motivate her or help her get past the risk of boyfriend suspicion issues.

[QUOTE=FyrGuy33;2147428]I have found more success by not initiating the discussion of money. Try asking them what they are looking for. Sometimes they are a bit vague, not really saying they expect to be paid. "Maybe I can help you with a bill or two" is a line that works for me in opening that discussion. Seems to me that age doesn't really come into play so much with the feeling some have that if they get paid per date they are a working girl. [/QUOTE]This is my current M. O. Unless I'm dealing with an obvious booty call or UTR, I don't discuss money amounts directly and instead just ask what they're looking for. If they don't know, then I suggest helping out with a couple of bills or other expense. Basically I try to get them away from thinking of fixed money values per date and it's more about "You make me happy, then I'll help you out".

You want to make sure the girl doesn't feel like she's getting or got played, so I try to give a minimum of $ - $$ depending how things go. Obviously it depends on your area but I've found most women who are 8 and under rating-wise, won't complain about you gifting them 150 or more if money was never discussed prior. One hundred is skirting along the edge and it probably means you need to make sure you gave some other intangible (ie. Good chemistry, nice dinner, great sex, or etc).

But I hope more SDs take on this strategy. Because the balance of power shifts more back on our favor where they focus on pleasing us and not being a meter maid.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]332391[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]332392[/ATTACH]So I've been on SA and have found some promising talent in the Baltimore area and have also found some girls that really have a bad case of GPS. So I start a dialogue with this brunette Italian girl who is a very good POT. As we get more involved in the discussion, she tells me that she's ok with forgoing the monthly allowance to a per-meeting gift for the FC. So I next ask her what she would like me to bring for her gift and she begins to tell me about her last SD. She tells me that the guy has moved out of state but used to pay all of her bills and give her $1,000 each time they met, HUH? So she tells me that if she were to see me that it would be a grand every time and she wanted to see me at least once-a-week, WTF! So I ask her again about the old SD. She said that he wanted to buy her a house give her an allowance, blah, blah, blah, just to move about a day's drive from Baltimore. This is just too rich, so I ask her if he likes guys too, and she answers that of course not and why? I answered that for a house, a grand in cash and my bills paid, she should give him my number. I'd let him have his way with me, LOL. This girl is so dumb, she had no clue as to what I was talking about or that it was a joke. Oh did I mention that she works in a hair salon, LOL. Must be the fumes from all of the hair dye. So after I tell her that I've met a few classy looking women that were willing to go for the FC for $350 or less, she answers back that they must me prostitutes off of Backpage and you get what you pay for. Also that she was one of the highest "raided" not rated girls on SA. Hmmmm, I asked her how she knew so much about Backpage and prostitutes, and was "raided" a Freudian slip because that's what she used to do before she found her calling in the hair salon and SA. What she next I can't repeat, LOL. Needless to say, I asked her to lose my number, and I won't text her any more. I've also blocked her. On a positive note, I'm meeting a woman that just moved to MD from the West Coast and she understands how it works and is ok with $350 for the FC as long as there's chemistry and we can meet regularly. Hopefully this will work out well! MW.

Video surveillance shows her stepping over his body because it was in between her and her wine glass -- nice.

Says she had over 200 clients -- he should have followed this thread so he could recognize the difference between an SB and an escort. For a thousand bucks a pop you'd think he could do a lot better than an inked up junky.

I won't post any links to the news story since I think that's against TOS and I'm sure you guys know about this already.

[QUOTE=MarcusWeiner;2148084][ATTACH=CONFIG]332391[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]332392[/ATTACH] Also that she was one of the highest "raided" not rated girls on SA.[/QUOTE]Did a spit take on that one! Hilarious.

HA I always knew it was a good thing I could not afford a yacht HA!

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2148085]Video surveillance shows her stepping over his body because it was in between her and her wine glass -- nice.

Says she had over 200 clients -- he should have followed this thread so he could recognize the difference between an SB and an escort. For a thousand bucks a pop you'd think he could do a lot better than an inked up junky.

I won't post any links to the news story since I think that's against TOS and I'm sure you guys know about this already.[/QUOTE]

"On a positive note, I'm meeting a woman that just moved to MD from the West Coast and she understands how it works and is ok with $350 for the FC as long as there's chemistry and we can meet regularly. Hopefully this will work out well! MW. ".

$350 is the top of the chain MW, so you should be able to get a long list of POTs for that kind of Dough. To score $100 SB requires a lot of game if you want any quality but $150 to 250 is very doable. Of course if you are not on a big budget then more money will buy you more Pot Hotties.

So out of 4 realistic Pots ,2 have become SBs:

SB #1 Asian early 20's 7. 5 across the board in the FC several times. Low experience but ready, willing, and able for 1. 5.

SB #2 10 across mid 20's,possibly one and done. She shaped up for my ATF but the FC visit did not go well. My performance was way off and we just did not physically click. Maybe too much too fast but I am very sad. She is super great but she is dark now. Possibly the contribution was not right at 2. 0 Hope I will hear back but will let it go if she doesn't initiate.

POT #1 Asian / Cauc couple in early 20's super hot Duet but are too rich for me. I will make an offer but I suspect they will not go for it.

POT #2 White early 20's 9/8/? Seems really sweet and hot. FC appointment coming up soon. She could be my ATF if face to face action is good.

FB: long term quickie provider satisfactory for release. Pretty cute 28 yr old. She comes, cums, and leaves in 15 minutes. But it serves a physical purpose.

Put up a new profile (just for a month) saying you pay $$$ per play date. And you will never have to look for pussy ever again for the rest of your life.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2148085]Says she had over 200 clients -- he should have followed this thread so he could recognize the difference between an SB and an escort.[/QUOTE]I've never been able to see the difference.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;2148690]I've never been able to see the difference.[/QUOTE]Rich people will always spend more just so they can tell their friends just how much they spent. I used to work in a jewelry store in beverly hills. One day a guy walks in and says "I want the most expensive watch you have." The owner went in the safe and pulled the tag off a 50k watch and told the guy it was 80k. He paid cash right on the spot. Girls are no different. Value is a perception. But not on this thread. Girls we date are mostly in the top 20% on the skills or we wouldn't date them.

I consistently chat up 8+ girls. On the street most of those girls would shut me down in a heartbeat. I actually have 18 girls that have agreed to my terms that I haven't even met yet. All from the last 30 days or so. Hope to meet this one this weekend.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;2148690]I've never been able to see the difference.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear that. The lure you put out will dictate the type of fish you catch.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2148846]Rich people will always spend more just so they can tell their friends just how much they spent.[/QUOTE]Are any of us here really rich? I know I'm not. The best thing about real SBs is that they haven't been beaten down by such a high volume of clients and their nerve receptors still receive pulses other than just response to direct payment. Offering them all direct payment just dulls their nerves at a faster rate and turns them all into hooker junkies faster.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2148846]Rich people will always spend more just so they can tell their friends just how much they spent. I used to work in a jewelry store in beverly hills. One day a guy walks in and says "I want the most expensive watch you have." The owner went in the safe and pulled the tag off a 50k watch and told the guy it was 80k. He paid cash right on the spot. Girls are no different. Value is a perception. But not on this thread. Girls we date are mostly in the top 20% on the skills or we wouldn't date them.

I consistently chat up 8+ girls. On the street most of those girls would shut me down in a heartbeat. I actually have 18 girls that have agreed to my terms that I haven't even met yet. All from the last 30 days or so. Hope to meet this one this weekend.[/QUOTE]Dang HG, which dating sites are you on?

Cheers.

TM.

Rich in this secret world means having enough available funds to get all the pussy you want, when you want it. That not only depends on what you have in the bank but also whether you can access it and have the free time to use it. Only single guys and long distance travelling business men have the freedom to take girls out for a good time, then off to the FC after. HW seems to be able to do that. I have money but the SO is alert to every tic on the cash meter. My hidden sources of money have dried up. And I do not have the freedom to be seen in the community, and I have no excuse to travel. Soooo, its sneaking off to the FC when I can. That eliminates the true SB experience and turns every encounter into a FB.

Good news!! SB #2 has resurfaced, so we will see. She is not a communicator which drives me crazy. I like responsiveness within an hour or two of a TM query. And I don't flog them with TMs, just a "good AM -thinking about you " or "when can I see you? " So got 2 sure things and 1 POT who I believe is a sure thing. And FB is dark so who knows?

If you do the SB thing often enough you eventually run into the entire range of good and bad experiences. But every now and then you come across the rarest of finds, a true gem, the ultimate SB. I found this one and I am still pinching myself to see if I am dreaming.

This girl is 18, medium height, cute, awesome tight body, firm tits and ass, flexible (she does ballet), sweet disposition, horny as hell and adores men over 40. So what's the downside? There isn't any!

She had only been with one guy before, a 17 year old bf who busted her cherry. She was fascinated with teen / older porn on the internet and wanted to fulfill her fantasy with a SD. Why I was lucky enough to find this girl is beyond me but I am making the most of it this summer before she goes to college in the fall and gets totally ruined by the young studs there. I am hitting this three times a week and I can't get enough.

Life IS good!

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2148870]Are any of us here really rich? I know I'm not. The best thing about real SBs is that they haven't been beaten down by such a high volume of clients and their nerve receptors still receive pulses other than just response to direct payment. Offering them all direct payment just dulls their nerves at a faster rate and turns them all into hooker junkies faster.[/QUOTE]Well I know a lot of very wealthy people and can say for sure most lack the insight and creative thinking and lack of effort it takes to get the results most of us here seem to be getting. Wealthy people often lose their drive and want things just handed to them.

I do OK, with money, but I would not call myself RICH. I can play at this hobby as much as I want for al intents and purposes.

As for the issue of having money and not being able to slip some out past the SO. I went through this phase when I had my SO. I slowly conditioned her over a few years to letting me handle all the finances. As with any issue with having an SO, once something becomes the "norm" no matter how out there it is, she won't question it as much. It's irregular behavior and something out of the norm that turns on their detective side. Do the same behavior all the time and she will not bat an eye.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2149087]Rich in this secret world means having enough available funds to get all the pussy you want, when you want it. [/QUOTE]That definition means I'm doomed to be poor, because even if I only paid $100 a fuck (unrealistic for the girls I bang, but just for the sake of example), getting all I want when I want it would probably still be at least half a dozen times a day and I doubt I'll ever be able to afford a $600-800 day pussy habit at the low end.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2149107]Well I know a lot of very wealthy people and can say for sure most lack the insight and creative thinking and lack of effort it takes to get the results most of us here seem to be getting. Wealthy people often lose their drive and want things just handed to them.
[/QUOTE]I've observed the same thing. The people I've known that are truly wealthy were born into money, it was all handed to them, so they have no concept of how to work for anything or achieve anything on their own. Silver spoon syndrome. Most of us dream about being rich, but I don't think money equates to happiness.

I've asked myself a couple of times, what would I really do if I won a huge powerball jackpot tomorrow? Most likely stay together with my current girlfriend and try not to let the money change my personality too much. Staying together with her would curtail most of my pussy hunting expeditions almost as much as it does now. I would travel more, but if I traveled without her at my side in order to bang SBs, it would just leave her home and bored and I'd end up losing the relationship through neglect. If I had to choose between hundreds of millions in financial wealth and my current relationship, I'd take the relationship. Sounds crazy but it takes a lot of work to build and maintain a real relationship and I imagine it would be even harder to find someone that's not just after money if I had that much of it. Infinite amounts of pussy sounds fun of course, but it would actually be less fun to me when there's so much money on the table that there is no more challenge -- just shooting fish in a barrel. I enjoy the act of chasing them down and working with limitations. Much more challenging and more rewarding when you do score.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;2149098]If you do the SB thing often enough you eventually run into the entire range of good and bad experiences. But every now and then you come across the rarest of finds, a true gem, the ultimate SB. I found this one and I am still pinching myself to see if I am dreaming.

This girl is 18, medium height, cute, awesome tight body, firm tits and ass, flexible (she does ballet), sweet disposition, horny as hell and adores men over 40. So what's the downside? There isn't any!

She had only been with one guy before, a 17 year old bf who busted her cherry. She was fascinated with teen / older porn on the internet and wanted to fulfill her fantasy with a SD. Why I was lucky enough to find this girl is beyond me but I am making the most of it this summer before she goes to college in the fall and gets totally ruined by the young studs there. I am hitting this three times a week and I can't get enough.

Life IS good![/QUOTE]Congrats PTG! Sounds and looks great. What is the sticker price on this nubile youngster?

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2149157]I've observed the same thing. The people I've known that are truly wealthy were born into money, it was all handed to them, so they have no concept of how to work for anything or achieve anything on their own. Silver spoon syndrome. Most of us dream about being rich, but I don't think money equates to happiness.

I've asked myself a couple of times, what would I really do if I won a huge powerball jackpot tomorrow? Most likely stay together with my current girlfriend and try not to let the money change my personality too much. Staying together with her would curtail most of my pussy hunting expeditions almost as much as it does now. I would travel more, but if I traveled without her at my side in order to bang SBs, it would just leave her home and bored and I'd end up losing the relationship through neglect. If I had to choose between hundreds of millions in financial wealth and my current relationship, I'd take the relationship. Sounds crazy but it takes a lot of work to build and maintain a real relationship and I imagine it would be even harder to find someone that's not just after money if I had that much of it. Infinite amounts of pussy sounds fun of course, but it would actually be less fun to me when there's so much money on the table that there is no more challenge -- just shooting fish in a barrel. I enjoy the act of chasing them down and working with limitations. Much more challenging and more rewarding when you do score.[/QUOTE]I'm right there with ya on the thrill of the chase. This is why I've passed on a lot of very good women over the years. I like the pursuit. And a study done a few years back said this is the number one reason men cheat. We are wired to pursuit and chase and when it's taken from us, we get weird. This also falls in line with why I'm kinda glad not to be filthy rich, as I actually like the process of making money and working for it. If that were taken away via being super rich, I feel I would lose part of my drive and ambition.

What you said about relationships is also true. Pussy and easy cheap sex does wear down after a while, but trust me, the urge to have more of it, ALWAYS returns! As for me, I actually piss myself off, as I'm a big fucking mush and always fall for the sweet type women. And even through I know I don't want a long term relationship right now, or perhaps ever again, I always find myself on that doorstep. By the way, I still haven't let me 21 year old go yet. She thinks we're still an exclusive thing. I have not the cold veins yet to break her heart.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2149159]Congrats PTG! Sounds and looks great. What is the sticker price on this nubile youngster?[/QUOTE]I would gladly pay top dollar but she is happy with flowers, perfume, lingerie and an occasional carton of cigarettes.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;2149214]I would gladly pay top dollar but she is happy with flowers, perfume, lingerie and an occasional carton of cigarettes.[/QUOTE]Wow and double Wow! That is a deal PTG. One in a career.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2149177]I'm right there with ya on the thrill of the chase. This is why I've passed on a lot of very good women over the years. I like the pursuit. And a study done a few years back said this is the number one reason men cheat. We are wired to pursuit and chase and when it's taken from us, we get weird. This also falls in line with why I'm kinda glad not to be filthy rich, as I actually like the process of making money and working for it. If that were taken away via being super rich, I feel I would lose part of my drive and ambition.

What you said about relationships is also true. Pussy and easy cheap sex does wear down after a while, but trust me, the urge to have more of it, ALWAYS returns! As for me, I actually piss myself off, as I'm a big fucking mush and always fall for the sweet type women. And even through I know I don't want a long term relationship right now, or perhaps ever again, I always find myself on that doorstep. By the way, I still haven't let me 21 year old go yet. She thinks we're still an exclusive thing. I have not the cold veins yet to break her heart.[/QUOTE]Yes, being in a relationship isn't all roses and doesn't do anything to prevent the craving for variety in pussy. Every day I think about banging someone new and different. I've never seen a long-term relationship (regardless of how hot the woman) where the sexual excitement didn't diminish greatly after the first few months. There's just no way a single woman can match the excitement of new / strange pussy.

But, long ago I realized the value of a good relationship and how hard it is to achieve, so I've conceded that I just have to wait until the times that my GF travels to unleash my dark side. When I was younger I didn't have the self-control to do the right thing, the pussy craving controlled me. These days, the craving is no less intense, I just have more life experience that reminds me what can happen if I'm careless about managing the craving. I wouldn't mind to sneak around a little during the week, but I don't want to do it too close to home, and my work does not give me a lot of travel excuses or opportunities. I could just visit escorts but that's not really my thing, and SBs typically come with a maintenance requirement (texting back and forth and so forth) that I really don't want to deal with while my GF is in town.

Of course everyones definition of rich is different. Me. I always tell my Sb that I can offer a monthly allowance. I tell them that I am not rich but comfortable but do have to abide by a budget. But if they keep up their end I will be reliable with what I promise and if possible will have an extra on occasion. So what kind of budget?. I work not to exceed 1500 month. Maybe less. All depends on the arrangement. My income average the last 3 years about 160 k. I never tell them what I make. My best SB was for 1. 5 yrs. She was attractive. Straight A scholarship student on an athletic scholarship. She's 5' 5" about 115. Cute. Not super hot but that girl next door cute. An absolute 10 in terms of wanting me to be happy! Really kinda of a semi GF. When we first met I only gave her 600 month and she would drive an hour to come see me 6-10 x a month. She would even call and say "hey I need a break. Can I come see you tonight" . Drive up and head out early to make class. There was a couple months I was short on cash and expressed that to her and she just said don't worry about it. After a couple months I started helping her again. But she graduated and moved away for a job as she needed to do. But still miss her. Best SB / semi GF ever!

I mean some of these chicks and their expectations are nuts. 3-10 k a mth!. Yeah I get asking 'cause you won't if you don't but there is really only about 1 out of a 1000 that could possibly afford that. Then take into account those that can afford but are actually interested in a SB and that field narrows even more!

ANywayyyyyy. What are some of the dollars you guys are making.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2149087]Rich in this secret world means having enough available funds to get all the pussy you want, when you want it. That not only depends on what you have in the bank but also whether you can access it and have the free time to use it. Only single guys and long distance travelling business men have the freedom to take girls out for a good time, then off to the FC after. HW seems to be able to do that. I have money but the SO is alert to every tic on the cash meter. My hidden sources of money have dried up. And I do not have the freedom to be seen in the community, and I have no excuse to travel. Soooo, its sneaking off to the FC when I can. That eliminates the true SB experience and turns every encounter into a FB.

Good news!! SB #2 has resurfaced, so we will see. She is not a communicator which drives me crazy. I like responsiveness within an hour or two of a TM query. And I don't flog them with TMs, just a "good AM -thinking about you " or "when can I see you? " So got 2 sure things and 1 POT who I believe is a sure thing. And FB is dark so who knows?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TexasMonger;2148937]Dang HG, which dating sites are you on?

Cheers.

TM.[/QUOTE]I only have time for SD4 M and a little CL. And have no where near the money to pursue all these girls. Hoping next year things pickup at work.

Scream GPS or at the very least, UTR-and yet sometimes I can't resist. Got messaged by a 28 (probably 34) yo old blonde whose site pics are basically modeling shots. She says all the right things, but I know she is going to think at least 500/ hr is her due. Nevertheless, I'm having lunch with her tomorrow, at a modestly priced local establishment, just to hear the pitch. Lunch is worth it for the entertainment value, and who knows, maybe there really are unicorns?

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2150001]Scream GPS or at the very least, UTR-and yet sometimes I can't resist. Got messaged by a 28 (probably 34) yo old blonde whose site pics are basically modeling shots. She says all the right things, but I know she is going to think at least 500/ hr is her due. Nevertheless, I'm having lunch with her tomorrow, at a modestly priced local establishment, just to hear the pitch. Lunch is worth it for the entertainment value, and who knows, maybe there really are unicorns?[/QUOTE]I read it over and over. But I can't imagine meeting someone without some expectation of what's on their mind dollar wise. I would rather get turned down online than drive here and there for no reason.

Even though I have been reading though the posts on the forum, there is no substitute for experience.

I had my first Nando 1 encounter and unfortunately was thinking with my little head.

I exchanged txt with a SB from SA, she sent me some pics a definite 9/9 19 year old, she quotes $$ and asks to meet at a coffee shop for MG.

After meeting the girl I rate her at 9/9/5/? And thinking with the little head, she suggested we go to her apt for the FC.

Long story short, ended up being a 15 min FC & she indicated that we were done final score 9/9/5/5, I caulked it up for experience.

A few days later she is texting me again wanting to meet. And promises a longer time.

Any advice?

New to the Sugar Bowl, I have made it to FC twice now.

Maybe due to my age (college in the late 80's) which was when the AIDS crisis started I always to wear protection.

I was surprised with my 2 trips to the FC the SBs made protection optional! Has the propaganda not reached earlier generations?

Curious to know how many SDs do helmet free in the Sugar Bowl.

Things must be getting tougher on the college cuties. I had 3 M&G's this past week and each one of them agreed to $150 per meet in the FC. When the subject of the arrangement comes up, I tell them I gave my last SB that per meeting. Funny thing is, all three didn't even try to get me to give them more. The first one is a 20 why / o home from college. Went to the FC with her and it was worth so much more. I think I might be getting lucky with this one. She had to go back to her college with her Dad yesterday and was very upset last night. Wouldn't tell me what was going on but I am guessing she may have been univited back in the fall. That could be good for me, but I am not sure if that is what happened. The other two I will have to wait to see as I am leaving for a 2 week vacation tomorrow.

This is the funny thing about playing in this hobby. Sometimes there is more pussy that you can either afford or physically handle, or, you can't get any even if you wave a fist full of hondo's.

[QUOTE=Latex;2150585]Even though I have been reading though the posts on the forum, there is no substitute for experience.

I had my first Nando 1 encounter and unfortunately was thinking with my little head.

I exchanged txt with a SB from SA, she sent me some pics a definite 9/9 19 year old, she quotes $$ and asks to meet at a coffee shop for MG.

After meeting the girl I rate her at 9/9/5/? And thinking with the little head, she suggested we go to her apt for the FC.

Long story short, ended up being a 15 min FC & she indicated that we were done final score 9/9/5/5, I caulked it up for experience.

A few days later she is texting me again wanting to meet. And promises a longer time.

Any advice?[/QUOTE]I would go silent on her. If she becomes persistent, tell her you were extremely disappointed to the point that you feel no need to repeat it. She did not live up to her end of the arrangement. If she wants to show you that she is capable of doing that, then tell her that you will see her again but you're not paying for the next session since you only had 15 minutes the first time. You need to stick to your guns on this.

Now, there is also a lesson for you here. She did that because you gave her the donation first. In all future dates with her or anyone else, they should get it after. If that is not acceptable to them, walk. Trust me, you will save yourself from future situations like this. Imagine if you had the ability to tell her you are only going to give her $50 for a 15 min date? Always keep that leverage. A true SB never looks for the donation until you are ready to part ways. Based on the rate she quoted and wanting it up front, she's most likely an escort.

[QUOTE=Latex;2150589]New to the Sugar Bowl, I have made it to FC twice now.

Maybe due to my age (college in the late 80's) which was when the AIDS crisis started I always to wear protection.

I was surprised with my 2 trips to the FC the SBs made protection optional! Has the propaganda not reached earlier generations?

Curious to know how many SDs do helmet free in the Sugar Bowl.[/QUOTE]Propaganda is a good way of putting it. I think it has and they realize it's been greatly exaggerated and things are loosening up a bit. PS haven't tried the SD thing yet maybe I should.

What is the best way to juggle a SB and a wife? I need some helpful advice.

Last night I met a heavier set 21 year old I had been txting with for a few days because she said she was super submissive and she had a pretty face. I picked her up and went straight to a room. She said she was a good girl and that she just wanted to make daddy happy. She said to just do anything I wanted to her. After about 30 minutes of heavy pounding she said she was tired so I face fucked her for almost an hour after that. I have rarely had a spinner go balls deep for more than a minute here and there. This girl just sucked and sucked, repeatedly DT-ing, gagging and drooling. Going all the way down most of the time.

So when it was time to leave I told her I needed to stop at the ATM to get her the $ I promised for our time together. She said she wasn't comfortable with that so we settled on half of that. After the ATM I handed her the cash and she said she didn't really want any money and that she just had a daddy fetish and gave me back the cash, except for 10 dollars. I'll probably see her again. I would say she was a 7/6/10/9. Even though she was big she was proportionately curvy with flawless tanned skin and a shaved kitty that was smooth as silk.

Since I still had the room I called my MILF as she lived nearby and I did another hour with her. So I got to double dip on the room. After working for 8 hours and then 6 more hours of dating I stopped for a burger and chocolate shake at my favorite drive through. Appropriately enough called "In and Out". Finally got home and passed out cold.

[QUOTE=MuffDiver72;2151040]What is the best way to juggle a SB and a wife? I need some helpful advice.[/QUOTE]Very carefully my friend. Best advice I can give you is to make sure that no matter what your daily routines do not change. Change in behavior, grooming and dressing will make the wife wonder what is going on. It takes more work than you can imagine to keep the wife from finding out what you are doing. Pay cash for everything and make sure you immediately throw away the receipts. Never leave any kind of a paper trail. I could go on and on. I suggest you take the time to read thru this thread. You will pick up much very valuable advice.

[QUOTE=MuffDiver72;2151040]What is the best way to juggle a SB and a wife? I need some helpful advice.[/QUOTE]Pay for everything in cash.

Get a separate no name cell for SB communication.

That cell never comes into your home.

SB never gets your real name.

Lie as little as possible to the wife but when you do, keep it consistent.

Don't catch feelings and don't let the SB change the way you do things-the wife will notice and wonder.

High-five ✋.

Fistbump 👊.

I have had no SB insist after the second date (if they made it that far) but I have a vasectomy so no risk. I prefer the SB is not on birth control as if she is I assume she is BB for every Tom, Dick and Harry. But maybe I am just naïve. But for the third hole I always use one. That could get me busted at home!

[QUOTE=Latex;2150589]New to the Sugar Bowl, I have made it to FC twice now.

Maybe due to my age (college in the late 80's) which was when the AIDS crisis started I always to wear protection.

I was surprised with my 2 trips to the FC the SBs made protection optional! Has the propaganda not reached earlier generations?

Curious to know how many SDs do helmet free in the Sugar Bowl.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Latex;2150585]Even though I have been reading though the posts on the forum, there is no substitute for experience.

I had my first Nando 1 encounter and unfortunately was thinking with my little head.

I exchanged txt with a SB from SA, she sent me some pics a definite 9/9 19 year old, she quotes $$ and asks to meet at a coffee shop for MG.

After meeting the girl I rate her at 9/9/5/? And thinking with the little head, she suggested we go to her apt for the FC.

Long story short, ended up being a 15 min FC & she indicated that we were done final score 9/9/5/5, I caulked it up for experience.

A few days later she is texting me again wanting to meet. And promises a longer time.

Any advice?[/QUOTE]Have the talk, pay after the deed. If she is that hot looking then maybe she will loosen up and trust you more. I have a 15 minute FB and it is not bad to have a quickie on the bench, just adjust the pay accordingly. I am paying. 75 for a hit and run. It is not emotionally satisfying but I do get a load off. Tell her if she wants a short stay then you will pay less.

Bareback!! I get a good sniff 1st which rules out a lot of the bacterial infections. The big H is tough though. You pay your money and take your chances.

The SO? Don't change the routine, and establish absences even if you are not hobbying. If you have alibis you can "forget " to call her back etc. She will be used to those things. Don't fuck the SO less, don't wear cuter undies than usual or change cologne, and do not ever bring the burner phone near the house. That is what nailed me.

Hollywood, even your rejects are hot to me. My SB # 1 is OTW and is a little chunky, but rides the wild pony extremely well and never is satiated. I have to call it when I get tired.

Economy: Is bad for the girls. It is flat raining pussy. I can't afford them all and can't keep up with the current supply.