Escort Reports

[QUOTE=JDog517;7519568]Recently getting back in the game. Totally appreciate the board helping out with getting back in the hobby and great advice! I am definitely willing to pay $200 to $250 for a high quality provider as I am low volume as well. Quality over quantity.

I saw Neveah a few weeks ago. Super cute face, definitely kept the focus on keeping me happy. A little baby damage, but everything felt safe and covered. She did have the clock set ahead so felt shorted on time. $$. 4 for 1 hr, will repeat.

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Saw Crystal recently as well. Really sweet lady. Good comms and great personality. Safe incall hotel. Great effort and delivered a strong performance. A bit heavier than her pictures would suggest. Really made an attempt to keep things relaxed and to keep me happy. While we clicked, it felt more friend level. Next time won't ask for GFE. Won't repeat at $$. 5 for 30 min.

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Saw Vivian Sinn and pretty sketch. Shorted on time and seemed to be tweaking on something. Might have a candy issue there. Use caution and keep things wrapped up!

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If there are some young spinners or cute latinas out there let me know!

Jdog.[/QUOTE]250 for a half hour in GR is wild. If people don't pay it they will stop charging it. Yes that includes everyone, including CJ. There are good providers who charge less maybe not your body type though. I have generally ignored spinners due to association with drug use and other issues. Paying these rates makes others think they can charge the same, they talk more than you think. Everyone is different but I haven't had problems with options paying $150 to fuck.

[QUOTE=BeanLicker;7519648]250 for a half hour in GR is wild. If people don't pay it they will stop charging it. Yes that includes everyone, including CJ. There are good providers who charge less maybe not your body type though. I have generally ignored spinners due to association with drug use and other issues. Paying these rates makes others think they can charge the same, they talk more than you think. Everyone is different but I haven't had problems with options paying $150 to fuck.[/QUOTE]My journey with doing this has been a learning process. After understanding the providers and how they operate, stack against each other, etc. , I have adapted my mentality and approach. A big part of doing this for me is variety. There is a thrill to sticking it in someone new, so I am always browsing the sites for something that looks good, but I've developed a sense of the type of provider they are from their ad and first interactions. Info about them on this board, when available, helps add more details. I am still picky about what I like and will pay for. For instance, I'm not going to pay for the type of woman looks wise, that I can find at any bar that would actually be happy she's going home with me. But providers are now in pretty much a 3-teir system for me. There's the regular hoe, the above average, and the upscale hoe.

The regular hoe, which is probably 80 percent of what's on the sites, is usually this:

- High volume. You're probably passing the guy before or after you, whether you know if or not.
- Lucky if she looks close to the pictures.
- Communication is spotty to non-existent.
- More ghosting than Casper.
- Probably on something and you're just her next hit.
- Most certainly has a pimp.
- In a different super low budget motel every time you reach out to her.
- Probably living in the motel.
- Usually posting and available when they wake in the afternoon until they go to sleep early the next morning.
- Not above robbing you if she gets the chance, no matter how many times you've seen her.
- Don't expect her to have makeup on like in her pictures.

For these, I will look for the diamond in the rough, and I have found a few, but I will usually only do QV / SS and I'll pay 80-100,120 at the most if she seems worth it. If it doesn't work for her, next!

These are the majority of women the guys on here are seeing and talking about and I absolutely agree they need to stop overpaying for them.

The above average hoe:

- Some of the woman on Mega or STG, but usually on Tryst or similar.
- Usually independent.
- Less volume.
- Pictures are more accurate.
- Communication is better and appointments honored more.
- They provide a better experience, not just a hole.
- Nicer hotels, AirBNB, or private residence.
- Usually has a life outside this and aren't going to be available at 3 AM.
- More likely to enjoy what they do.
- Higher chance they actually showered before seeing you and not just lying to you about being in the shower when you get there because she still has the guy before you's dick in her.
- 50/50 chance of makeup and lingerie.

For these, which I don't frequent as much as I use to, and I'll explain why in a minute. I'm more likely to do HHR / HR with them. I would expect to pay 150-200/200-300 for that. I have splurged up to the 400 range on this one but rarely, and for an 8-10. Women in this category is someone like CJ, or hotter Tryst girls.

The upscale hoe:

- Hot as fuck! Like model hot.
- Some of the actually hotter women on Tryst, Eros, etc.
- Independent or Agency.
- Usually professional and accurate pictures.
- Very low volume. It's possible you're the only person she may be seeing that day.
- Your doctor is more likely to cancel your appointment than one of these providers.
- Usually requires advanced booking.
- May require real identity screening and deposits.
- Guaranteed to have showered and put on makeup / outfit before seeing you.

For these, I usually would expect to book at least an hour. Most of them don't do anything less. I would expect to pay 400-1000 for that hour, depending on how hot or delusional the women is. I don't do these at all. Partly because of the verification usually required, but mostly because there are better options for less money.

So what I find myself doing now is skipping anything more than the regular hoes for the quick fix. They are good for that, keep the budget inline, and there are so many of them. If I'm looking for the higher experience, I have found that finding a few sugar babies is much better than the other 2 options I listed. Both for cost and experience. You have to weed through a little bit of the delusional sugar babies who think sane men are going to give them ridiculous amounts of money to do nothing, or the bare minimum, and actual working girls on those sites. Those are not that hard to spot. But the real sugar babies know the deal and it doesn't take a lot of effort to get something established paying them a ppm every time you meet. They are seeing a handful of guys, if not just you. They are less fake and you can make actual connections with them, which turns into better experiences. Currently, I am mainly seeing 2 women, who I go to instead of the above average hoes or the crazy high ones. I pay both of them 250. One is a nice looking fit women in her 40's who I have a very good connection with and she reaches out between meets to actually check up on me and chat about things in our lives, not just to get me to come see her. When we do meet, we're spending 2-4 passion filled hours with real GFE and letting me do pretty much whatever I want to her. She's never even hinted at me having to leave unless her kid was about to come home. I'm usually the one having to leave. It's obvious how much she enjoys it too. But once we part ways, it's until the next time we see each other. She knows the deal. The other one is a pretty little 20 something with daddy issues. You can tell she loves the dynamic because she's the one that steered me more and more into it. Pretty with a gorgeous body that she lets me use and abuse. I'm talking those SUPER sloppy blowjobs you see in porn with her gagging on it as I shove it all the way in and so much spit I have to wipe it off as she opens her mouth for more. She's a freak!

These are experiences I would never get from the normal escorts, and definitely not for that long for that much. I just do not see the value in those other tiers anymore. For a minute, I was actually over committing myself with the sugar babies and trying to juggle how I was going to see them all. I had to cut that back, but new ones show up every day when I need to look again.

So the moral of the story is don't overpay for shitty / basic service and experiences, and think outside the box for the other ones until they realize they need to align their offering and price better too.

Edit:

An honorable mention is the Korean/Asian agencies. I've seen a couple of girls from those in the bigger cities like L.A. and Chicago. The girls are usually on the upscale hoe hotness level, at the above average hoe price point. I will definitely continue to visit them because you get the best of 3 worlds I think. Easy, no leg work setup, Model like women, and decent price.

[QUOTE=Darwin2000;7518414]This seems TGTBT but hope springs eternal. Has anyone seen Elizabeth? She has a 616 number.

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/elizabeth-69[/URL][/QUOTE]Give her the deposit and let us know how it goes.

What sugar dating sites or apps do you use?

[QUOTE=FaslFasl;7519881]My journey with doing this has been a learning process. After understanding the providers and how they operate, stack against each other, etc. , I have adapted my mentality and approach. A big part of doing this for me is variety. There is a thrill to sticking it in someone new, so I am always browsing the sites for something that looks good, but I've developed a sense of the type of provider they are from their ad and first interactions. Info about them on this board, when available, helps add more details. I am still picky about what I like and will pay for. For instance, I'm not going to pay for the type of woman looks wise, that I can find at any bar that would actually be happy she's going home with me. But providers are now in pretty much a 3-teir system for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FaslFasl;7519881]My journey with doing this has been a learning process. After understanding the providers and how they operate, stack against each other, etc. , I have adapted my mentality and approach. A big part of doing this for me is variety. There is a thrill to sticking it in someone new, so I am always browsing the sites for something that looks good, but I've developed a sense of the type of provider they are from their ad and first interactions. Info about them on this board, when available, helps add more details. I am still picky about what I like and will pay for. For instance, I'm not going to pay for the type of woman looks wise, that I can find at any bar that would actually be happy she's going home with me. But providers are now in pretty much a 3-teir system for me. There's the regular hoe, the above average, and the upscale hoe.

The regular hoe, which is probably 80 percent of what's on the sites, is usually this.[/QUOTE]Sugar sites were fun till my daughter's friends found my profile!

Seeking was the best for me over AFF. Similar experience to FASL. Some girls are young and naive. I prefer them a bit older and a bit of experience. Lots of options, but expect more of a dating experience. Good and bad based on what you're looking for. Definitely get several hours of fun for $200-$300 plus maybe dinner, but plan to host much of the time!

Jdog.

[QUOTE=IndyBoredGuy;7520011]What sugar dating sites or apps do you use?[/QUOTE]Seeking. But I was in before all the verification they do now so I'm not sure if that would be an issue for you or not. There are other options but Seeking worked well for me so didn't need to go looking for anything else.

[QUOTE=JDog517;7520092]Sugar sites were fun till my daughter's friends found my profile!

Seeking was the best for me over AFF. Similar experience to FASL. Some girls are young and naive. I prefer them a bit older and a bit of experience. Lots of options, but expect more of a dating experience. Good and bad based on what you're looking for. Definitely get several hours of fun for $200-$300 plus maybe dinner, but plan to host much of the time!

Jdog.[/QUOTE]One has to wonder what they were doing on those sites to stumbled across your profile. LOL.

So I keep my profile and location pretty generic and don't post any pictures. I just send a pic when I send a message to the ones I want to contact. I know having a full profile improves your response odds but what I was doing works fine for me and no risk or someone finding anything.

Also, I don't think I've ever been on like a legit date with a single one. LOL. Usually made arrangements for the fun. A meet and greet before at a coffee place or something maybe.

[QUOTE=FaslFasl;7519881]My journey with ...[/QUOTE]Totally agree with FaslFasl. Too many old, overweight, ugly women on STG that somehow get clients? To each their own, but the "best" STG escorts are still my fast food substitute. I get it only when hungry, with no other option, but usually regret it after.

The sugar baby scene also has its share of fast food options, but you'll also find great family style and fine dining options. Finding PPM girls is easy, and it's a gold mine if you can host and don't need to hide anything. But even with that I find I can just be honest and say I need to keep things discreet and they'll meet at a hotel where they get the room in their name, charge it to their credit card and I gift extra to cover. Bonus is once you start PPM it can turn into just gifting, or a FWB situation especially if she's a single mother with limited free time. They want sex without the commitment, drama too, and money is just a nice bonus. But it's a YMMV situation. If you aren't good with women, don't have a good history of picking up girls naturally you might strike out more.

[QUOTE=FaslFasl;7520148]Seeking. But I was in before all the verification they do now so I'm not sure if that would be an issue for you or not. There are other options but Seeking worked well for me so didn't need to go looking for anything else.[/QUOTE]Is the I'd verification required for all accounts old and new? Anyone on here done the verification and can talk about if the pool of options currently is worth it?

[QUOTE=FaslFasl;7519881] I'm talking those SUPER sloppy blowjobs you see in porn with her gagging on it as I shove it all the way in and so much spit I have to wipe it off as she opens her mouth for more. She's a freak![/QUOTE]I know exactly what you're talking about. My sweet friend Tyla always delivers on the goods. Seen her last week and will continue to see her whenever she's available!

FaslFasl, my brother, your post was one of the best reads in years. Completely spot on and every new person tipping their toe into this hobby should read your post. Well done!

WOW! What a good read. Thank you for sharing this. So much truth to it.

Play safe!

-Shaw.

[QUOTE=FaslFasl;7519881]My journey with doing this has been a learning process. After understanding the providers and how they operate, stack against each other, etc. , I have adapted my mentality and approach. A big part of doing this for me is variety. There is a thrill to sticking it in someone new, so I am always browsing the sites for something that looks good, but I've developed a sense of the type of provider they are from their ad and first interactions. Info about them on this board, when available, helps add more details. I am still picky about what I like and will pay for. For instance, I'm not going to pay for the type of woman looks wise, that I can find at any bar that would actually be happy she's going home with me. But providers are now in pretty much a 3-teir system for me. There's the regular hoe, the above average, and the upscale hoe.

The regular hoe, which is probably 80 percent of what's on the sites, is usually this:

- High volume. You're probably passing the guy before or after you, whether you know if or not.
- Lucky if she looks close to the pictures.
- Communication is spotty to non-existent.
- More ghosting than Casper.
- Probably on something and you're just her next hit.
- Most certainly has a pimp.
- In a different super low budget motel every time you reach out to her.
- Probably living in the motel.
- Usually posting and available when they wake in the afternoon until they go to sleep early the next morning.
- Not above robbing you if she gets the chance, no matter how many times you've seen her.
- Don't expect her to have makeup on like in her pictures.

For these, I will look for the diamond in the rough, and I have found a few, but I will usually only do QV / SS and I'll pay 80-100,120 at the most if she seems worth it. If it doesn't work for her, next!

These are the majority of women the guys on here are seeing and talking about and I absolutely agree they need to stop overpaying for them.

The above average hoe:

- Some of the woman on Mega or STG, but usually on Tryst or similar.
- Usually independent.
- Less volume.
- Pictures are more accurate.
- Communication is better and appointments honored more.
- They provide a better experience, not just a hole.
- Nicer hotels, AirBNB, or private residence.
- Usually has a life outside this and aren't going to be available at 3 AM.
- More likely to enjoy what they do.
- Higher chance they actually showered before seeing you and not just lying to you about being in the shower when you get there because she still has the guy before you's dick in her.
- 50/50 chance of makeup and lingerie.

For these, which I don't frequent as much as I use to, and I'll explain why in a minute. I'm more likely to do HHR / HR with them. I would expect to pay 150-200/200-300 for that. I have splurged up to the 400 range on this one but rarely, and for an 8-10. Women in this category is someone like CJ, or hotter Tryst girls.

The upscale hoe:

- Hot as fuck! Like model hot.
- Some of the actually hotter women on Tryst, Eros, etc.
- Independent or Agency.
- Usually professional and accurate pictures.
- Very low volume. It's possible you're the only person she may be seeing that day.
- Your doctor is more likely to cancel your appointment than one of these providers.
- Usually requires advanced booking.
- May require real identity screening and deposits.
- Guaranteed to have showered and put on makeup / outfit before seeing you..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FaslFasl;7520178]One has to wonder what they were doing on those sites to stumbled across your profile. LOL.

So I keep my profile and location pretty generic and don't post any pictures. I just send a pic when I send a message to the ones I want to contact. I know having a full profile improves your response odds but what I was doing works fine for me and no risk or someone finding anything.

Also, I don't think I've ever been on like a legit date with a single one. LOL. Usually made arrangements for the fun. A meet and greet before at a coffee place or something maybe.[/QUOTE]This is what I do as well with having a generic profile and no photos makes it a lot easier for privacy. These sites aren't like a regular dating site where looks really matter because both parties know what they want if they're on the site. If a girl really wants a pic I am more than happy to video chat with her through Snapchat or whatever so she wants. Meet and Greets somewhere public is a great idea but can risk being seen especially if you have a significant other. Most of the time if she wants to meet before going into her place I usually suggest with meeting in a parking lot and if she's cool then we can go to her place. If she wants coffee or whatever I am more than happy to bring that as well to get her in the mood.

[QUOTE=PrivateParts;7520200]Totally agree with FaslFasl. Too many old, overweight, ugly women on STG that somehow get clients? To each their own, but the "best" STG escorts are still my fast food substitute. I get it only when hungry, with no other option, but usually regret it after.

The sugar baby scene also has its share of fast food options, but you'll also find great family style and fine dining options. Finding PPM girls is easy, and it's a gold mine if you can host and don't need to hide anything. But even with that I find I can just be honest and say I need to keep things discreet and they'll meet at a hotel where they get the room in their name, charge it to their credit card and I gift extra to cover. Bonus is once you start PPM it can turn into just gifting, or a FWB situation especially if she's a single mother with limited free time. They want sex without the commitment, drama too, and money is just a nice bonus. But it's a YMMV situation. If you aren't good with women, don't have a good history of picking up girls naturally you might strike out more.[/QUOTE]Great analogy. That's a good way to put it. It especially sucks when you're paying more for that drive-thru hamburger than you would be at a real restaurant.

Also a valid point about needing to know how to talk to / treat women at least a little bit for better success with sugar babies. Even though they know the deal, and some will put up with more than others when it comes to awkwardness and such, they are not usually desperate and will expect some sort of connection. They try very hard to not feel like they are just an escort.

[QUOTE=Anonwmlatam;7520279]Is the I'd verification required for all accounts old and new? Anyone on here done the verification and can talk about if the pool of options currently is worth it?[/QUOTE]I have an older account created before they started requiring the I'd / Face verification and it has not required me to provide it even though it's required for new accounts. It keeps suggesting that I do but I can cancel out of it. Eventually they may though.