Strip Club Reports

[QUOTE=Duckydo;1507592]Man it crazy what some guys will pay. Some just don't know better. Some have more money than they can spend. I wish I was the latter of the two. Unfortunately, I am not and I have to try to outwit these girls so I can stay on budget. If enough guys know and use the art of negotiation, it will be ingrained in these girls' psyche that this is what the market will pay for, we would not have stripperflation. It's funny how stripper math works when they are desperate. 500 becomes 150 when they have 30 minutes left to pay tip out.[/QUOTE]Always good deals to be had at that time of night.

[QUOTE=Duckydo;1507592]Man it crazy what some guys will pay. Some just don't know better. Some have more money than they can spend. I wish I was the latter of the two. Unfortunately, I am not and I have to try to outwit these girls so I can stay on budget. If enough guys know and use the art of negotiation, it will be ingrained in these girls' psyche that this is what the market will pay for, we would not have stripperflation. It's funny how stripper math works when they are desperate. 500 becomes 150 when they have 30 minutes left to pay tip out.[/QUOTE]Duckydo, I could not agree more. We need to stand our ground and not agree to these high prices for a piece of cvnt. I have found that it is hard for any chick to turn down $ for a half hour of work or less. If we all stand together, strong, then prices will come down. It is funny how this hobby is so much like our regular economy. If you stand your ground as a consumer, then retailers are forced to lower their prices. Therefore, do not pay top dollar for an item when you can get the same item at a lower price if you are patient and are willing to walk when the price is not right.

Let's stand strong brothers, in solidarity, and we will all reap the rewards of fun times at low, low prices!

Be safe out there!

Sounds good on paper, but depending on the location, you will likely leave unsatisfied. Try offering $100 at PHC or Flight Club, and you will be sad and lonely. Naturally you will find exceptions to this. But I agree at your BT's, Player's Club, H8, etc.

Most of you guys are Detroit locals, but plenty of out of towners pay WAY more for WAY less. Heck, before getting hip to the Detroit scene, I've spent $400 / night in Ohio clubs many times. And that only scored some two way hand action, and serious grinding. Same thing in Vegas and Florida. It all depends on the club and the amount of cash the regulars bring.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=Rznuit; 1508093]Duckydo, I could not agree more. We need to stand our ground and not agree to these high prices for a piece of cvnt. I have found that it is hard for any chick to turn down $ for a half hour of work or less. If we all stand together, strong, then prices will come down. It is funny how this hobby is so much like our regular economy. If you stand your ground as a consumer, then retailers are forced to lower their prices. Therefore, do not pay top dollar for an item when you can get the same item at a lower price if you are patient and are willing to walk when the price is not right.

Let's stand strong brothers, in solidarity, and we will all reap the rewards of fun times at low, low prices!

Be safe out there![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rznuit; 1508093]Duckydo, I could not agree more. We need to stand our ground and not agree to these high prices for a piece of cvnt. I have found that it is hard for any chick to turn down $ for a half hour of work or less. If we all stand together, strong, then prices will come down. It is funny how this hobby is so much like our regular economy. If you stand your ground as a consumer, then retailers are forced to lower their prices. Therefore, do not pay top dollar for an item when you can get the same item at a lower price if you are patient and are willing to walk when the price is not right.

Let's stand strong brothers, in solidarity, and we will all reap the rewards of fun times at low, low prices!

Be safe out there![/QUOTE]As the old union song goes,"Solidarity forever!"

[QUOTE=SteveBlack; 1508490]Sounds good on paper, but depending on the location, you will likely leave unsatisfied. Try offering $100 at PHC or Flight Club, and you will be sad and lonely. Naturally you will find exceptions to this. But I agree at your BT's, Player's Club, H8, etc.

Most of you guys are Detroit locals, but plenty of out of towners pay WAY more for WAY less. Heck, before getting hip to the Detroit scene, I've spent $400 / night in Ohio clubs many times. And that only scored some two way hand action, and serious grinding. Same thing in Vegas and Florida. It all depends on the club and the amount of cash the regulars bring.

Good luck![/QUOTE]I don't disagree with you SB. I am an out of towner too. Fortunately, it's only 60 miles to get to the 8 Mile clubs for me. I was a newbie once. I never frequent the clubs because of the very experience you speak of. I had a few friends who are club regulars that taught me the ropes so to speak. I develop my own game after awhile of going and seeing the lay of the land. You're right, it's going to be tough to get a girl for a 100 at PHC or FC. If you are a regular, you will get that price. I have. It takes a while to get there-lots of game and smoozing and familiarity with the girls. Like I said. 200 will get a majority of what you want. Below that, it's going to be tough. If you are patient and wait for the golden hour before shift change and you are on your game, you will score. You have to be realistic too. You aren't going to get a 8 or 9 scale for 100, no matter how desperate they are or how good looking you are, they still need to pay their bills. Your Dearborne / Inkster clubs are like shooting fish in a barrel. Good luck and have fun fellas.

PS down with Stripperflation

Wifey wants to try, and we are going to be visiting motown on a weekend night. Here are the general criteria;

- Must be clean and safe. She will walk out if it is shady, dirty or cheesy. But does not have to be ritzy either. I think something like BT's would do, it is the only one in Detroit I have seen. VIP rooms must have some privacy, she will not relax out in the open.

- Dancers: Again, they don't have to be supermodels, but trashy and ghetto will end the night in a hurry. We prefer the clean look, no tats or piercings or fattys.

- Services. Not looking for extras, but if they don't mind us getting a bit carried away would be great. Are Detroit clubs full nude or g-string only or g-string with pasties?

- Rates: Would like to know what to expect. Parking, cover, tips, fees, dances [standard and negotiated]. We don't drink much, so those prices are not a big focus.

Thanks for any help we can get.

[QUOTE=Pillock; 1508870]Wifey wants to try, and we are going to be visiting motown on a weekend night. Here are the general criteria;

- Must be clean and safe. She will walk out if it is shady, dirty or cheesy. But does not have to be ritzy either. I think something like BT's would do, it is the only one in Detroit I have seen. VIP rooms must have some privacy, she will not relax out in the open.

- Dancers: Again, they don't have to be supermodels, but trashy and ghetto will end the night in a hurry. We prefer the clean look, no tats or piercings or fattys.

- Services. Not looking for extras, but if they don't mind us getting a bit carried away would be great. Are Detroit clubs full nude or g-string only or g-string with pasties?

- Rates: Would like to know what to expect. Parking, cover, tips, fees, dances [standard and negotiated]. We don't drink much, so those prices are not a big focus.

Thanks for any help we can get.[/QUOTE]Brother Pillock,

Bouzouki's downtown near the Greektown Casino meets your description. I travel to the Motor City often for Buisness and that is the only place I would bring the wifey. I have fun at the other places but not to write home about if you get my drift.

Buckler

[QUOTE=Pillock; 1508870]Wifey wants to try, and we are going to be visiting motown on a weekend night. Here are the general criteria;

- Services. Not looking for extras, but if they don't mind us getting a bit carried away would be great. Are Detroit clubs full nude or g-string only or g-string with pasties?

- Rates: Would like to know what to expect. Parking, cover, tips, fees, dances [standard and negotiated]. We don't drink much, so those prices are not a big focus.

Thanks for any help we can get.[/QUOTE]I can help on a few, the Detroit scene is a topless one with a few exceptions based on local laws, etc. Deja Vu is fully nude but no alcohol, and John's Hot Spot in Ypsi is gstring and pasties.

Fees, these are general averages as I recall them and may vary buy the day / time of day. Parking $5-7, Cover $5-10, Dances $20-25 (some clubs have $10 night, usually Monday / Tuesday) , fees $10-20 to go to the back (be careful as some charge each time while some are a one time wristband charge) , extras $100. 300+ depending on what is wanted, the girl, and the club.

RCS: Did I read this right? You paid $500? Yikes. It's your money and you have the right to spend it how you want but think of the impact on stripper price expectations. I'm not saying that you or anyone should weasel prices down to a level where a stripper can't make a decent living but in my world (at least in Michigan) 500 per hour (or probably less than an hour) is an unrealistic pay scale. I won't say that I'd never pay that price but it would have to be my all-time, once-in-a-lifetime fantasy woman.

As others have pointed out, dances near shift change or closing time can often be negotiated at lower rates. Pretty straight forward economics- one last chance for a dancer to make some money to cover tip out or other expenses so a lower price is preferable over no income. Unfortunately, most strippers do not have an advanced degree in economics (I don't either) so don't be perplexed when a stripper turns down a reasonable offer ("reasonable" from the customer's perspective) and often sells no dances at a higher and often unrealistic rate. It only takes a few basic math calculations to realize that 3 x 150 is much higher than 0 x 500. But from the dancer perspective, if they can find RCS or other generous customers, then 1 x 500 can make your day even if you only sell one dance.

[QUOTE=RCS310; 1506527]Had another gal, young brunette, fairly tall, decent build. Was really close to closing time, and she got me back for a dance. Right away, offered everything for 5x$. From what I'd seen, she didn't have any luck through the night and the crowd had been light, seemed pretty desperate with her pitch (honestly desperate, too). Probably could have talked her down, but I had the cash and was feeling generous. She delivered, too, very nicely. Wish I'd thought in the moment to offer going to a room after for that kind of money, but oh well. Next time, maybe. She did offer me a "freebee" if I came to see her again, but never got the chance to.

[QUOTE=Pillock; 1508870]Wifey wants to try, and we are going to be visiting motown on a weekend night. Here are the general criteria;

- Must be clean and safe. She will walk out if it is shady, dirty or cheesy. But does not have to be ritzy either. I think something like BT's would do, it is the only one in Detroit I have seen. VIP rooms must have some privacy, she will not relax out in the open.

- Dancers: Again, they don't have to be supermodels, but trashy and ghetto will end the night in a hurry. We prefer the clean look, no tats or piercings or fattys.

- Services. Not looking for extras, but if they don't mind us getting a bit carried away would be great. Are Detroit clubs full nude or g-string only or g-string with pasties?

- Rates: Would like to know what to expect. Parking, cover, tips, fees, dances [standard and negotiated]. We don't drink much, so those prices are not a big focus.

Thanks for any help we can get.[/QUOTE]Hustler club has by far the largest and most private VIP. You basically get a private room with a large couch to hang out in. I believe it is $25 for the room and then $20 / song or whatever you can negotiate with the girl.

[QUOTE=Aguinnes;1509061]Hustler club has by far the largest and most private VIP. You basically get a private room with a large couch to hang out in. I believe it is $25 for the room and then $20 / song or whatever you can negotiate with the girl.[/QUOTE]Actually, the smallest rooms are $10 and the dances are $25 / song.

[QUOTE=SlackerFreak;1509541]Actually, the smallest rooms are $10 and the dances are $25 / song.[/QUOTE]Room prices are determined by how busy it is; I've gotten the small rooms for nothing or $5 on slow days, and paid $25 for the Presidential suite on moderately busy days. Weekend nights are surely higher. The small rooms here are still better than other 'rooms' elsewhere.

Anyone know anything definite about the possible changes at HC being talked about on Strip Club list? I usually read that list for the entertainment value only and don't take much of anything I read there seriously. But there's enough comments there now to make me wonder at least a little bit. Let's hope it's just another disgruntled dancer ragging on the club.

Slacker: I posted a discussion item on tuscl about a recent experience at Hustler Detroit. I'm not a dancer. I'm a customer who typically enjoys Hustler Detroit where the dancers are typically decent (not as consistently hot as Penthouse) but there is usually fun to be had in the private VIPs. I should mention that I talked with a number of dancers were pretty disgruntled with the proposed changes- some of them might have posted comments on one of the stripper webs sites.

I've copied the text of my tuscl comment below. As you read it be sure to notice that this report focuses on changes that have not yet been implemented but may well be in process. I don't visit Hustler Detroit on a regular basis so I'm hoping that some of the more frequent visitors to this club can keep us updated on any chances that are implemented by corporate headquarters. I posted the original discussion as a warning so that customers who go to Hustler Detroit expecting some fun will be aware that the club may be heading to the PG-13 category. If it does, I will take my discretionary income elsewhere. Lots of other options in the Detroit area.

From tuscl:

A recent afternoon visit to Hustler Detroit featured a short middle-aged man in baggy Levi jeans with a microphone and a questionable sense of humor. According to the staff, he was from "corporate headquarters." He was running around the dance floor arranging for promotional events, such as dollar dances (not a bad idea in that it increases interaction between the dancers and the customers) and promoting something that he called "cooter ball." Cooter ball involves several dancers sitting on stage holding a shot class in front of their bikinis while he encouraged encouraged a small group of male patrons to throw folded dollar bills at the shot glass. Any patron who "scored" got a shot poured down his throat. Cooter ball reminded me of a really bad college drinking game and most of the club customers simply stared in disbelief at the group of patrons who were throwing dollars around and consuming copious amounts of liquor.

Even more disturbing, I heard reports that the guy from corporate headquarters was planning to remove all the doors from the VIP area (one of the best features of this club) in an effort to curb any "fun" that might occur between consenting adults in the privacy of those VIP dance areas. I also heard unconfirmed reports that he had spied on a dancer and customer who were having too much fun in the VIP. He entered the room unannounced and fired the dancer and had the bouncer toss the customer from the club.

On my way out of the club I offered my opinion of the "improvements" that he was pursuing- my comment was something like, I'll direct my business to other clubs that are more respectful of privacy and more permissive of fun between consenting adults- Detroit area has a good collection of such strip clubs. His reply was Hustler is the most successful men's club in the USA and we're going to make sure that nothing illegal is going on here. I found this ironic (feel free to insert a harsher word) coming from a man who had just spent 20 minutes pouring alcohol shots down the throats of patrons who then left the club inebriated to drive the Detroit freeways. Ah yes, he was a paragon of corporate responsibility and marketing savvy.

So it appears that Hustler Detroit could be morphing into a PG-13 club- no private lap dances and very limited fun. It reminds me of my experience at the only other Hustler club that I've visited, Hustler Baltimore, where I was yelled out by the lap dance gestapo for touching a dancers hips while in the VIP (the dancer had encouraged me to do so). I find this culture shift at Hustler to be especially ironic because the founder of Hustler, Larry Flynt, was famous for legal battles to uphold free speech and to liberalize obscenity laws. Larry is still alive and, if he is not senile, I hope that someone tells him that his clubs are well on the way to senescence and irrelevance. I hope that the changes do not materialize but if they do I'll certainly take my business elsewhere. I never thought that Hustler would digress so much as to make their other corporate competitor Deja Vu look down right cutting edge.

So, if your idea of a great night out is a PG-13 topless club that promotes sophomoric games, then by all means, Hustler is for you. Me? I'll be spending my money elsewhere and hoping that the club and its corporate parent files for chapter 11 and sells the facility to someone who can run a strip club.

[QUOTE=SlackerFreak;1510359]Anyone know anything definite about the possible changes at HC being talked about on Strip Club list? I usually read that list for the entertainment value only and don't take much of anything I read there seriously. But there's enough comments there now to make me wonder at least a little bit. Let's hope it's just another disgruntled dancer ragging on the club.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Electronman; 1510679]Slacker: I posted a discussion item on tuscl about a recent experience at Hustler Detroit. I'm not a dancer. I'm a customer who typically enjoys Hustler Detroit where the dancers are typically decent (not as consistently hot as Penthouse) but there is usually fun to be had in the private VIPs. I should mention that I talked with a number of dancers were pretty disgruntled with the proposed changes- some of them might have posted comments on one of the stripper webs sites.

I've copied the text of my tuscl comment below. As you read it be sure to notice that this report focuses on changes that have not yet been implemented but may well be in process. I don't visit Hustler Detroit on a regular basis so I'm hoping that some of the more frequent visitors to this club can keep us updated on any chances that are implemented by corporate headquarters. I posted the original discussion as a warning so that customers who go to Hustler Detroit expecting some fun will be aware that the club may be heading to the PG-13 category. If it does, I will take my discretionary income elsewhere. Lots of other options in the Detroit area.

From tuscl:

Even more disturbing, I heard reports that the guy from corporate headquarters was planning to remove all the doors from the VIP area (one of the best features of this club) in an effort to curb any "fun" that might occur between consenting adults in the privacy of those VIP dance areas. I also heard unconfirmed reports that he had spied on a dancer and customer who were having too much fun in the VIP. He entered the room unannounced and fired the dancer and had the bouncer toss the customer from the club.

On my way out of the club I offered my opinion of the "improvements" that he was pursuing- my comment was something like, I'll direct my business to other clubs that are more respectful of privacy and more permissive of fun between consenting adults- Detroit area has a good collection of such strip clubs. His reply was Hustler is the most successful men's club in the USA and we're going to make sure that nothing illegal is going on here. I found this ironic (feel free to insert a harsher word) coming from a man who had just spent 20 minutes pouring alcohol shots down the throats of patrons who then left the club inebriated to drive the Detroit freeways. Ah yes, he was a paragon of corporate responsibility and marketing savvy.

So, if your idea of a great night out is a PG-13 topless club that promotes sophomoric games, then by all means, Hustler is for you. Me? I'll be spending my money elsewhere and hoping that the club and its corporate parent files for chapter 11 and sells the facility to someone who can run a strip club.[/QUOTE]I stopped by Hustler earlier this week during the dayshift. Several of the regular day shift dancers had left. However, one of the dancers told me that what was going on in the VIP rooms was so blatant during the time the corporate rep was present that something had to be done. Apparently, some dancer and customer were going at it so hard that there was extremely loud moaning / screaming that could be heard from the VIP room. C'mon folks, be a little more discreet about your activities. For heaven's sake, if you are going to be making extremely loud noises with a dancer in the VIP, then you may want to consider simply hooking up with the dancer at a nearby hotel room after her shift. Either that or roll up one of your socks and stuff it down her throat to muffle the noise.