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[QUOTE=TacoManVa;6804978]Contribute something, instead of always just asking. We spend thousands of dollars contributing.
If you know her you should have already had her phone number by now right?[/QUOTE]I'm not sure what you are trying to say. I shared information but I didn't ask for anything. I didn't get a massage (since she wasn't there), so there is nothing to review. And no, I don't have her phone number.
[QUOTE=RolfTorren;6804509]I try to keep the OTD cost to between 200 and 240. What's interesting is that in the last two spas I've visited they haven't asked for it up front. In one case they asked for the HF when I arrived.
I handed over 70 because I wanted an hour. Its kind of a moving target. Much depends on whether you are a regular and are visiting a fave who knows you, or if MMS is on site, or if there are standard house policies. If I know and like the provider Ill hand it all over at first just to get things out of the way. Otherwise, unless its requested I hang on to it until the end. My impression is that rates have stabilized over the past few months and maybe management has realized they can't continue to push things upwards. And one final thought. When I go in, if the vibe is off, or I sense the likelihood of bait and switch, then Ill walk. There are plenty of other options.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Is that assuming paying for an hour at 60? That's pretty high if going for half an hour at 40.
Yeah, I usually don't get asked for it upfront at places I'm more regular at but I'm not doing FS at those spots either anyway. I don't mind giving it upfront if I'm tipping extra though, that way they give me a better service from the start. But I only do it with girls I know, otherwise could be a loss.
[QUOTE=BluesBalls;6804470]So this story comes with a dumb question but what's the going rate these days for FS? I mostly go to TJ for FS as I find it better bang for my buck (pun intended) and the girls are way hotter. So I don't keep up as much with it. Is it still $120 or is now $140+?
Anyway, I ask because I recently went to Massage Oasis. I was just in the mood for a half decent message and some nice ball rubbing and HE. I walk in and there is an older woman and she seems fine. Looked how they almost all look: older, relatively thin, and a little saggy. She was wearing some leopard print jumpsuit that wasn't to flattering but communicates what's to be expected. I'm not walking in to MO expecting an 18 year old anyway and I'm there for some basics so that's fine with me. I didn't catch her name or didn't understand her, language barrier was constant through the session. Anywho, we settle on an hour for 60 and get going. I tell her I want her to just massage me and rub my balls slowly. She doesn't get it and goes for the jackhammer so I have to stop her to explain, this happens several times. LOL Eventually she unpromptedly shows me her shaved pussy (looks nice) and asks me to fuck for $100. It looked nice but I really wasn't looking for that and just wanted to relax, so I decline. She keeps offering and jackhammering, I keep declining and explaining. I realize I'm not going to get the slow ball rub and relaxing session I was looking for so I ask how much for a blowjob and she says $80 and I can cum on her face. That's a rare one to hear at an AMP so I confirm and she's down so I accept. She brings out the seran wrap and I just laugh and ask for a condom. I know that shit is reused, no thanks. Brings out the condom and she sucks me off for a while and I face fuck her. Blowjob was okay, struggled to deepthroat all of me and I still haven't had a girl at an AMP pull it off so I avoid BJs at them unless it comes with FS. But she was also sucking my balls so hard like a vacuum cleaner they hurt a bit for a while after, lady needs to chill. LOL I try my best to get her to deepthroat and eventually drop a thick, heavy load on her face and she's stunned and didn't expect that. Complains she's going to have to shower. LOL Too bad. She tried to clean it up to walk me out but still walked me out with my cum dripping on the side of her face. LOL It was all right as an experience. Didn't get the massage or ball rub I was looking for but I gave her a facial and that's good in my book. Anyway, so I know she was trying to give me the old pussy discount at 100 but wondering how much of a deal that actually was. Would still have preferred the facial to fucking even if she dropped it to 80 though. Still a good place to go to usually for a little message and release.[/QUOTE]100 is a deal! But MO has very mediocre talent. They are often not as tight and young. They are older in their late 40's /50's with saggier bodies. But you can sometimes find a gem. There was a lady that worked there a few years ago in her late 30's / early 40's. She had a hairy Bush but we developed a connection and she allowed BBFS with CIP every time for a 100. She just suddenly disappeared and ghosted me on wechat / SMS. Not sure what happened to her.
Probably raising your child somewhere in Asia 😂.
[QUOTE=Baller55;6805110]100 is a deal! But MO has very mediocre talent. They are often not as tight and young. They are older in their late 40's /50's with saggier bodies. But you can sometimes find a gem. There was a lady that worked there a few years ago in her late 30's / early 40's. She had a hairy Bush but we developed a connection and she allowed BBFS with CIP every time for a 100. She just suddenly disappeared and ghosted me on wechat / SMS. Not sure what happened to her.[/QUOTE]
I don't believe that. Vivian works out on the regular and I saw her a couple weeks ago as well. I can't see her all of a sudden letting go and gaining weight that fast. Probably just trying to get you to visit Sakura cause it definitely got me curious in checking it out. Mission accomplished.
[QUOTE=KingKon;6804939]I literally saw her 6 weeks ago and she looked phenomenal.
No way we're talking about the same Vivian, right?
Can someone confirm for me por favor?
Thank you![/QUOTE]
That's for one hour. I try to aim for 60-70 HF and about 140 for FS tip. This usually doesn't get any pushback in my experience. For non-FS, say a nice hour long massage with some teasing and a great HJ release HF is usually 40-60 and tip would be between 60 and 100, depending on the spa. Some spas insist in 100 which I think is BS. Ideally your OTD cost for non-FS should be about half of what you would pay for FS.
There are all sorts of variables here. How "organized" are the workers (ie think of MBC on Convoy). How skilled are they in both massage and release? How much access. Do you get OTC or full birthday suit? How hot is she. Could she pass as a 20 something though she's mid 30's or is this granma? Are you a regular? Do you really want to get her WeChat contact details and see her again? Does she throw in a CBJ or BBBJ? Personally if I want the latter I go for FS. And finally what sort of customer are you? Fun to be with? Not aggressive or abusive? In decent shape? All these factors come into play and inevitably adjust the fee structure. Hope this helps.
[QUOTE=BluesBalls;6805107]Thanks! Is that assuming paying for an hour at 60? That's pretty high if going for half an hour at 40.
Yeah, I usually don't get asked for it upfront at places I'm more regular at but I'm not doing FS at those spots either anyway. I don't mind giving it upfront if I'm tipping extra though, that way they give me a better service from the start. But I only do it with girls I know, otherwise could be a loss.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GoKipper;6805380]I don't believe that. Vivian works out on the regular and I saw her a couple weeks ago as well. I can't see her all of a sudden letting go and gaining weight that fast. Probably just trying to get you to visit Sakura cause it definitely got me curious in checking it out. Mission accomplished.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RChangDatyKing;6804971]Yeah, Vivian does not look that great anymore. A little pudgy now. Her BF probably doesn't want her to get all the attention anymore.
The youngest there is YaYa. She is half Chinese so it might be her.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=KingKon;6804939]I literally saw her 6 weeks ago and she looked phenomenal.
No way we're talking about the same Vivian, right?
Can someone confirm for me por favor?
Thank you![/QUOTE][QUOTE=FiestaMan;6804889]Went on Saturday. Was surprised Vivian was working there again. Got a massage but got turned off on the weight gain and pudginess. As I was leaving there was a very young, petite, Chinese hottie behind the front desk looking for something. Does anybody know her name?[/QUOTE]Guys,
I think we are talking about 2 different Vivian's. I was responding to one that works out of Sakura, a nonFS spa. This Vivian used to also worked out and had a tight body and backside but is starting to look more pudgy from years back.
[QUOTE=RChangDatyKing;6804971]Yeah, Vivian does not look that great anymore. A little pudgy now. Her BF probably doesn't want her to get all the attention anymore.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FiestaMan;6804889]Went on Saturday. Was surprised Vivian was working there again. Got a massage but got turned off on the weight gain and pudginess.[/QUOTE]I concur. Thought it was just me not remembering what she looked like before. I remembered a pretty fit / athletic body. Oh well, it is what it is.
[QUOTE=GoKipper;6805380]I don't believe that. Vivian works out on the regular and I saw her a couple weeks ago as well. I can't see her all of a sudden letting go and gaining weight that fast. Probably just trying to get you to visit Sakura cause it definitely got me curious in checking it out. Mission accomplished.[/QUOTE]We're talking about the fit Asian Vivian, with the nice butt, right?
I've only seen her once.
I saw her on my birthday first week of January.
She was in phenomenal shape and I understood the hype.
I read in this forum that she was done though.
That's why I was shocked she was still working, and why I wanted to confirm we're talking about the same one.
[QUOTE=GoKipper;6805380]I don't believe that. Vivian works out on the regular and I saw her a couple weeks ago as well. I can't see her all of a sudden letting go and gaining weight that fast. Probably just trying to get you to visit Sakura cause it definitely got me curious in checking it out. Mission accomplished.[/QUOTE]Like I said, I've only seen her once.
And when reading reviews, you always have to take it with a grain of salt and expect less.
I remember reading how toned her body was and her "amazing / athletic / gymnast" legs and butt.
Her abs were highlighted as well.
When I saw her, I wasn't blown away by her abs, I wasn't blown away by her butt.
But relative to the AMP girl, she had an absolute banger body. So with the Grain of salt, I was extremely pleased.
Her service was outstanding, she was incredibly happy, made Jr happy.
She was one of my favorite providers ever.
Everything is relative.
She must have been insane when you guys saw her LOL.
My one time was awesome, so relative to what I remembered, she was at least a 9/10 Asian in my book.
You guys made my day now that I know she's just working at another spa LOL.
[QUOTE=GoKipper;6805380]I don't believe that. Vivian works out on the regular and I saw her a couple weeks ago as well. I can't see her all of a sudden letting go and gaining weight that fast. Probably just trying to get you to visit Sakura cause it definitely got me curious in checking it out. Mission accomplished.[/QUOTE]Please lmk if you go, and provide details on how long she's working there til.
Appreciate you bro!
#TeamVivian haha.
[QUOTE=GoKipper;6805380]I don't believe that. Vivian works out on the regular and I saw her a couple weeks ago as well. I can't see her all of a sudden letting go and gaining weight that fast. Probably just trying to get you to visit Sakura cause it definitely got me curious in checking it out. Mission accomplished.[/QUOTE]My massage with Vivian was on Saturday morning. I had asked the papasan who was working there that morning he gave that name. I asked was that the same Vivian as way back when before she went back to China? He said yes.
She remembered me when she entered the room.
She is too heavy for me. I almost shot my load but then took another look at her.
I remember once DFK and dry humping her about 4-5 years ago. Those days are over -.
[QUOTE=RChangDatyKing;6805507]Guys,
I think we are talking about 2 different Vivian's. I was responding to one that works out of Sakura, a nonFS spa. This Vivian used to also worked out and had a tight body and backside but is starting to look more pudgy from years back.[/QUOTE]Thank you!
I was so confused.
Now I don't have to go to Sakura to find out myself.
MRC Vivian is a living legend. Hopefully she makes a comeback.
[QUOTE=KingKon;6805603]We're talking about the fit Asian Vivian, with the nice butt, right?
I've only seen her once.
I saw her on my birthday first week of January.
She was in phenomenal shape and I understood the hype.
I read in this forum that she was done though.
That's why I was shocked she was still working, and why I wanted to confirm we're talking about the same one.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about Vivian at Mesa Ridge Cort spa, or Vivian at Sakura?
Got a text from MMS. Two new girls, Ada and Kiki. Paid for hh. . 40.
She was wrapping things up with a another patron. Didn't get a chance to see Kiki.
Ada greets me and I wait in another room. 1.20 tip. She's in her late 30' early 40's. D bolt one. Face is attractive to me. Basic light touch, offered standing massage but I opted not to. Touches the boys while prone. Get a stuffy. Turn around and we talk about my needs. Rcg, CG, doggy, Standing Missionary, Missionary. Blew my load.
Everything with a coat.
Nice for the donation but will check out Kiki next time.
9 xx0 campo.