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While I am by no means a pro at this, I did take to time to read through the postings and following the rules for mongering. And as such, have not been dealt the cruel fate that you where handed.

I noticed that this was your first post: So it makes me ask, how long have you been viewing this site prior to trolling the stroll? I know there are many who view and do not contribute, but to not at least read and follow the rules of mongering is at best careless, and at worse expensive, as you have found out. ( I apologize for the assuming that you did not follow Jackson's 22 rules)

My hope is that you get off without too much addition hassle, but to those who read this and are thinking of the their first trip to the "Strip" heed the Rules!!!!!



[QUOTE=Needhelp]All,

I got nailed in Camden. Long story short I ended up with a "Loitering with purpose of engaging in Prostitution". Picked up and gave a girl a ride and was pulled over trying to figure out where she needed to go. The girl was hauled away.

Anyone have a lawyer they can refer me to that I can hire? My record is clean.

Please PM me info.

Any thoughts on what outcome will be. Based on what I have read I believe its a misdemeanor, but will be on record for up to 5 years assuming I don't meet the fine Camdem constabulary again. Anyone have expierence getting it reduced? What about lawyer costs?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Maybe we should re-post the rules and start a collection for a defense fund. Just some thoughts.

[QUOTE=Jr Monger]While I am by no means a pro at this, I did take to time to read through the postings and following the rules for mongering. And as such, have not been dealt the cruel fate that you where handed.

I noticed that this was your first post: So it makes me ask, how long have you been viewing this site prior to trolling the stroll? I know there are many who view and do not contribute, but to not at least read and follow the rules of mongering is at best careless, and at worse expensive, as you have found out. ( I apologize for the assuming that you did not follow Jackson's 22 rules)

My hope is that you get off without too much addition hassle, but to those who read this and are thinking of the their first trip to the "Strip" heed the Rules!!!!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jr Monger]While I am by no means a pro at this, I did take to time to read through the postings and following the rules for mongering. And as such, have not been dealt the cruel fate that you where handed.

I noticed that this was your first post: So it makes me ask, how long have you been viewing this site prior to trolling the stroll? I know there are many who view and do not contribute, but to not at least read and follow the rules of mongering is at best careless, and at worse expensive, as you have found out. ( I apologize for the assuming that you did not follow Jackson's 22 rules)

My hope is that you get off without too much addition hassle, but to those who read this and are thinking of the their first trip to the "Strip" heed the Rules!!!!![/QUOTE]


LEO isn't stupid. Even at our most careful best, the day can go horribly wrong. Leo knows the girls. Girls in our vehicles tell them what we are doing. That is the situation. We can offer alternate explanations but it is all bull. Personally, I accept the consequences. "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time." Be aware, Camden has another ticket you may receive. When you are in a know drug area, you may be cited for attempting to purchase narcotics. Can these be pleaded down? Most likely. But it sends a message to the wallet. A big message.

Some precautions I take include making a calm efficient scoop. Vacate the area. Avoid car dates.

Stay Safe
L T M

Needhelp:
Sorry to hear you got busted. Were you pulled over by a patrol car or UC...?

Love To Monger:
It's hard to see how a "attempting to purchase narcotics" ticket would stand up in court for merely driving around somewhere. After all what happened to "freedom of assembly".

Has anybody seen Sandy or do es anybody know where she is?

I have been looking for her for about 2 weeks.

Has anybody seen Sandy on Broadway or does anybody know where she is?

I have been looking for her for about 2 weeks.

[QUOTE=Jr Monger]While I am by no means a pro at this, I did take to time to read through the postings and following the rules for mongering. And as such, have not been dealt the cruel fate that you where handed.

I noticed that this was your first post: So it makes me ask, how long have you been viewing this site prior to trolling the stroll? I know there are many who view and do not contribute, but to not at least read and follow the rules of mongering is at best careless, and at worse expensive, as you have found out. ( I apologize for the assuming that you did not follow Jackson's 22 rules)

My hope is that you get off without too much addition hassle, but to those who read this and are thinking of the their first trip to the "Strip" heed the Rules!!!!![/QUOTE]First Post under this login, but not my first time on board or mongering. 22 Rules are great, but if they want to pull you over they can. I am very careful.

Bro

Do you have a pic or a description. I monger a lot but never met Sandy.

[QUOTE=Larry1]Has anybody seen Sandy on Broadway or does anybody know where she is?

I have been looking for her for about 2 weeks.[/QUOTE]

I saw her on broadway yesterday.she is out there a lot.

I also saw her via craiglist once.

[QUOTE=Sprat]maya is the name of her dog she used it throw people off

The e-mail was mayamiller

Her real name is carrie/kerri, pickered up at joe's or johnny's deli on broadway GC block in from the RR tracks

I have attempted to e-mail her but never get a reply

Oh well.

Sprat[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Needhelp]First Post under this login, but not my first time on board or mongering. 22 Rules are great, but if they want to pull you over they can. I am very careful.[/QUOTE]
I posted my experience a couple months ago and got the same treatment. Most replies were telling me how stupid I was, which may have been the case, but was not productive criticism. Maybe one of them was you? This is another example that no matter how careful you try to be, if you let your guard down for a second, you can get in trouble. No one is beyond touch. For those who think they are, that kind of ego will catch up to them sooner than later. Wish you the best with your situation.
JB

[QUOTE=Johnboy]I posted my experience a couple months ago and got the same treatment. Most replies were telling me how stupid I was, which may have been the case, but was not productive criticism. Maybe one of them was you? This is another example that no matter how careful you try to be, if you let your guard down for a second, you can get in trouble. No one is beyond touch. For those who think they are, that kind of ego will catch up to them sooner than later. Wish you the best with your situation.
JB[/QUOTE]


I could have sworn you were the guy who said that they admitted to the police officer that you came to Camden to pick up a prostitute? Kind of hard to do anything but accept a plea deal when you make it so easy for them.


Also a lot of you guys are giving terrible legal advice. The best idea is to plea? Are you kidding me. You guys are getting "junkie" charges. The charges that only "junkies" who have a hard time showing up in court or caring much about their criminal record plead guilty to. They offer you a plea in hopes that you will be desperate/scared/lazy/stupid/poor enough to take it. If you guys would not incriminate yourselves which is breaking [b]a very important rule[/b] and actually not accept the plea you would find the charges get dropped even with the shittiest of lawyers.


"Loitering with intent" and other similar tickets are bullshit charges police give you if they have nothing else and if you fit the profile of someone who can be induced into pleading to a lesser charge. Most of you guys are white, married, and are scared shitless when interacting with the police and they know it and they get you. They know you just want the problem to go away and will eventually plead to something to make a ticket that is beatable go away. They know you are scared of the wife finding out and probably don't have full, if any control over the money in the house and won't want to pay a lawyer to do any work beyond accepting a plea which you could arrange yourself in most cases. Camden police don't give tickets like that to everyone they pullover. Camden has open air drug dealing and people snorting lines of cocaine in public view day and night right there on Broadway, yet the police only harass them when they do sweeps every now and then. Document and undocumented immigrants get into fights with bottles in front of that Latin club on federal on the weekends and then get into vehicles drunk with police right there and never get bothered. Truckers pick up the women right in front of the police and don't get bothered. These guys want easy targets and "scared suburban monger" is one of the easiest.

Even the woman in your vehicle having prostitution convictions or even saying what it is you picked her up for is not close to enough evidence to secure a conviction for patronizing a prostitute let alone loitering with intent. This is why you guys are getting charged with the bs loitering type offenses even when you have a woman in the car who admits everything to the police. Even the corrupt Camden police aren't crazy enough to write you a patronizing ticket even though it seems like some of you would be scared enough to eventually plea to it anyway.


A plea to a lesser non-prostitution charge is not a good outcome as the original charge for the arrest is still on record. If you get a charge for loitering related to drugs/prostitution those charges usually always get dropped if you are willing to fight them and did not make the mistake of admitting any alleged guilt. The "fight" is usually just a matter of time rather than presenting any actual defense or having an actual trial. The DA will wait, hoping you plead guilty, and then will drop it without your lawyer having to do much in most cases. There are plenty of easier targets who will accept a plea, the DA will drop the cases where there is no incrimination and the defendant shows they are going to fight it.

Getting arrest/ticket records expunged in which the case is dropped or one is found not-guilty is very easy, not to mention it is the convictions that matter most.


Someone mentioned it might cost $10,000 for a lawyer to handle a trial for a misdemeanor loitering case? That guy must have the best marketing and "sales" force in the history of criminal law to get people to pay that...

Nobody said you can avoid getting a ticket and anybody who thinks so is in the wrong game. "You can beat the charge but you can't beat the ride." The ride is the arrest or in these misdemeanor cases the ticket. Beating the charge is what you need to be prepared to do which should be easy assuming you don't carry drugs & weapons on you and you don't incriminate yourself.

[QUOTE=Member # 2552]I could have sworn you were the guy who said that they admitted to the police officer that you came to Camden to pick up a prostitute? Kind of hard to do anything but accept a plea deal when you make it so easy for them.[/QUOTE]

First off, I did'nt give an outright admission to the officer. My lawyer said I could fight the ticket but would require at least 3 times in court, or plea guilty and get it reduced to obstructing traffic. I respect what you are saying, even in it is condescending, but I cannot lose that kind of time. My ticket was not for loitering or engaging and I would have lost the money from the fine or lost time from work equally. As for your statement about giving bad legal advice, I told Need Help to not listen to what people were saying and get a good lawyer familiar with Camden Courts. If he has the time and money to fight the ticket the more power to him! From your post you sound like a lawyer, or someone well versed in law, and I thank you for your advice to me and everyone else. I don't think you need to sound condescending just because you know what others do not. We would not need lawyers if we were all one in the first place.
JB

Sorry Jackson, but I miss the old format sooooo much. We should start an online petition and try to get our old site back.

What do you guys think about the new scenery?

HH

So far I don't like it at all. I'm willing to give it time so long as I can the Photo Gallery. Does anyone know where it can be found?

[QUOTE=Member # 2552; 1072224]I could have sworn you were the guy who said that they admitted to the police officer that you came to Camden to pick up a prostitute? Kind of hard to do anything but accept a plea deal when you make it so easy for them.

Also a lot of you guys are giving terrible legal advice. The best idea is to plea? Are you kidding me. You guys are getting "junkie" charges. The charges that only "junkies" who have a hard time showing up in court or caring much about their criminal record plead guilty to. They offer you a plea in hopes that you will be desperate / scared / lazy / stupid / poor enough to take it. If you guys would not incriminate yourselves which is breaking [b]a very important rule[/b] and actually not accept the plea you would find the charges get dropped even with the shittiest of lawyers.

"Loitering with intent" and other similar tickets are bullshit charges police give you if they have nothing else and if you fit the profile of someone who can be induced into pleading to a lesser charge. Most of you guys are white, married, and are scared shitless when interacting with the police and they know it and they get you. They know you just want the problem to go away and will eventually plead to something to make a ticket that is beatable go away. They know you are scared of the wife finding out and probably don't have full, if any control over the money in the house and won't want to pay a lawyer to do any work beyond accepting a plea which you could arrange yourself in most cases. Camden police don't give tickets like that to everyone they pullover. Camden has open air drug dealing and people snorting lines of cocaine in public view day and night right there on Broadway, yet the police only harass them when they do sweeps every now and then. Document and undocumented immigrants get into fights with bottles in front of that Latin club on federal on the weekends and then get into vehicles drunk with police right there and never get bothered. Truckers pick up the women right in front of the police and don't get bothered. These guys want easy targets and "scared suburban monger" is one of the easiest.

Even the woman in your vehicle having prostitution convictions or even saying what it is you picked her up for is not close to enough evidence to secure a conviction for patronizing a prostitute let alone loitering with intent. This is why you guys are getting charged with the bs loitering type offenses even when you have a woman in the car who admits everything to the police. Even the corrupt Camden police aren't crazy enough to write you a patronizing ticket even though it seems like some of you would be scared enough to eventually plea to it anyway.

A plea to a lesser non-prostitution charge is not a good outcome as the original charge for the arrest is still on record. If you get a charge for loitering related to drugs / prostitution those charges usually always get dropped if you are willing to fight them and did not make the mistake of admitting any alleged guilt. The "fight" is usually just a matter of time rather than presenting any actual defense or having an actual trial. The the will wait, hoping you plead guilty, and then will drop it without your lawyer having to do much in most cases. There are plenty of easier targets who will accept a plea, the the will drop the cases where there is no incrimination and the defendant shows they are going to fight it.

Getting arrest / ticket records expunged in which the case is dropped or one is found not-guilty is very easy, not to mention it is the convictions that matter most.

Someone mentioned it might cost $10,000 for a lawyer to handle a trial for a misdemeanor loitering case? That guy must have the best marketing and "sales" force in the history of criminal law to get people to pay that.

Nobody said you can avoid getting a ticket and anybody who thinks so is in the wrong game. "You can beat the charge but you can't beat the ride. " The ride is the arrest or in these misdemeanor cases the ticket. Beating the charge is what you need to be prepared to do which should be easy assuming you don't carry drugs & weapons on you and you don't incriminate yourself. [/QUOTE]I am meeting with attorneys tomorrow and will explore my options. I did not say anything that would incriminate myself even though cops kept busting my balls to try and get me to admit to something. Let you know how it goes