"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

I'm not so sure I'd agree with you. However unlikely it would be for LE to go fishing on the SD / SB websites, it's really only a matter of time before they worm the hooks and try a sting or two this way. To say that you're expecting sex for cash is solicitation, nothing more, nothing less. There are certainly girls that play off the notion that we're going to dump drinks down their throats and feed them plus give them a couple hundred bucks to be graced with their company and discuss current events, but the smart ones know that they are going to have to fuck us to get the money and if they come off saying that they're not prostitutes, figure it out. They are nothing short of being charlatans! There is a tacet agreement between SD and SB and if they aren't down for the FC, move on. Use common sense and be careful what you say but anytime sex is brought up I avoid the discussion of sex for money. MW.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2125027]This is not at all unusual, for a POT to ask if physical activity is expected. Tell her what you're expecting. You can couch it however you like. But make sure she knows that you are expecting sex as part of any arrangement you enter into. Some have no interest in any sort of physical arrangements at all, in which case they have no business being on a sugar site. Forget them and move on to the next POT.[/QUOTE]

Sorry I wasn't more clear about the circumstances of my tryst this afternoon. She is the office manager and everyone was gone for the day when I saw her. My man it's a pediatrician's office, how in the world would I go about fucking her with children around? Anyway, she was on SA and brought up the idea for cost (getting a room) and convenience (having to pick up her kids at the sitter's) to make it easy for both of us. It was a very unique experience. MW.

[QUOTE=LandonR;2125022]Wow! More details needed on this one please! How in the world did you go about lining this up? We're there other patients and employees in the office? How'd you guys play it off?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;2125049]I am with Hollywood on the hot chicks. You never know. I would describe myself as a tubby old guy 60 and big, (but with a few tricks up my sleeves) My babes to a one all end up calling me sugar bear. But I have a lot of confidence in myself and never worry about it. The babes still are coming and returning. Go ahead and ask you never know. Usually they are being bombarded by muscle bound numb heads and are swept away by a little class. Sometimes it is not worth the effort, the 10's tend to have few skills. But those 9's. Dayammn.

And I post pics so ya'll know that not all the good ones are in California. Some are on the east coast! You guys need to share some too. This week I am seeing my Chinese translator. OMG I am the one in love.[/QUOTE]I am tall and thin and used to be self conscious, until I realized a lot of girls (especially spinners, which I am naturally attracted to) don't like big guys. Don't like six packs, and don't like younger guys with macho attitudes.

Now I am older and filled out a little. I actually lost 20 pounds to stay thin. It works for me. The salt and pepper grey hair and a few creases in the face are a real assets as well. I had no idea how much some girls love love love older guys until I became one.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2125349]I am tall and thin and used to be self conscious, until I realized a lot of girls (especially spinners, which I am naturally attracted to) don't like big guys. Don't like six packs, and don't like younger guys with macho attitudes.

Now I am older and filled out a little. I actually lost 20 pounds to stay thin. It works for me.[/QUOTE]I've got the kind of frame that I can put on 35 lbs before anyone says "have you gained a few pounds?" But I learned a great deal about the benefits of staying as fit as possible as we get older.

When I first split up from my ex-wife I would go out hunting women at my "married" weight (about 20 lbs over ideal). No problems really. But then experimentally I got back into fitness and healthy eating more heavily and I realized something. Whatever your current success is with women, it is magnified as you approach your ideal weight (more on that later), meaning you will realize the benefits of (1) more encounters, (2) better sex from those encounters, or (3) just better looking women or (4) all of the above as you approach your ideal weight or fitness level.

What I thought was "good enough" (my married weight) probably was, but after I saw what was possible after I got serious about going to the gym again there was no turning back.

I doubt many SBs care about six pack abs or any other notion of perfect looks that someone might have, because in an SD the competition is other guys of same age, we aren't competing with 21 year old guys' physique any more than they can compete with our career success (the latter being more attractive to the SB anyway). But, it's also good to point out that the closer you can get to looking young (however it is, and for many people that means not gaining too much weight) then it will only benefit you in bed. We perform better, we fuck more vigorously, our cock gets harder, our stamina and energy are better, etc. And sex is even more enjoyable when we are fit.

So, that's the real reason for hitting the gym as a SD I think. That and simply living longer, avoiding injuries and stress on our body and immune system that occurs from being overweight. Anything that stresses our immune system increases our risk of cancer and of course increased susceptibility to STDs etc. , so the healthier we are the better we can fuck them. We are not going to have much fun in the bowl if we are laid up with late stage cancer because we ate too many refined sugar products.

I mentioned I would come back to "ideal weight". By that I just mean the weight at which we look our best. For me that usually means "as thin as I can get", because I find gaining weight too easy and staying the same weight I was in college is much more challenging. For those who are more thin than average then maybe gaining a few pounds is beneficial (as long as it doesn't get to the point of slowing you down in bed).

I can't remember the last time I was "too thin" so I just strive for the lowest weight I can achieve -- I also lift weights, not to try to get bigger, but because I want to delay muscle atrophy as much as possible (muscle atrophy more than any other feature of aging really will make a person look old, and if we don't use our muscles we lose them). Also lifting weights boosts our natural testosterone levels, which makes us hornier and just generally feeling younger than we are.

I think I've successfully tricked my body into maintaining very close to my ideal weight even when I don't work out, as long as I don't slip back into careless eating habits. But even still, when I do work out everything is just so much better, more enjoyable.

Hey Gang,

Another noob here, dipping my toes into the sugar pool. Like most of y'all I'm married too, which can be somewhat limiting at times. Have identified a few POTs and have been exchanging emails lately. Biggest issue I've learned recently is finding a place to play. All POTs I've been emailing have gone nearly radio silent when I ask them if they have their own place. I've even tried to qualify my question with logic (I know. Stop laughing! Saying that hotel costs will negatively impact the level of support I can provide to them. So would like to know a couple of things:

1. What's the best way to broach this subject with a POT without turning them off?

2. What are you other married guys doing as far as a FC?

I think it was Billy Crystal who once said "Women need a reason to have sex; men just need a place". So true.

[QUOTE=GBL86;2125509]Hey Gang,

Another noob here, dipping my toes into the sugar pool. Like most of y'all I'm married too, which can be somewhat limiting at times. Have identified a few POTs and have been exchanging emails lately. Biggest issue I've learned recently is finding a place to play. All POTs I've been emailing have gone nearly radio silent when I ask them if they have their own place. I've even tried to qualify my question with logic (I know. Stop laughing! Saying that hotel costs will negatively impact the level of support I can provide to them. So would like to know a couple of things:

1. What's the best way to broach this subject with a POT without turning them off?

2. What are you other married guys doing as far as a FC?

I think it was Billy Crystal who once said "Women need a reason to have sex; men just need a place". So true.[/QUOTE]The easiest solution is a cheap hotel / motel (preferably one that you can pay cash for). As long as there are no roaches or bedbugs, that is.

[QUOTE=GBL86;2125509]Hey Gang,

Another noob here, dipping my toes into the sugar pool. Like most of y'all I'm married too, which can be somewhat limiting at times. Have identified a few POTs and have been exchanging emails lately. Biggest issue I've learned recently is finding a place to play. All POTs I've been emailing have gone nearly radio silent when I ask them if they have their own place. I've even tried to qualify my question with logic (I know. Stop laughing! Saying that hotel costs will negatively impact the level of support I can provide to them. So would like to know a couple of things:

1. What's the best way to broach this subject with a POT without turning them off?

2. What are you other married guys doing as far as a FC?

I think it was Billy Crystal who once said "Women need a reason to have sex; men just need a place". So true.[/QUOTE]1. Just be straight with them about what you're looking for and understand that you will most likely only be able to land UTRs with that strategy. A real SB would never bring you to her home on the first encounter, and she's going to assume that if you're too cheap to get a hotel you're too cheap to be a reliable SD. Some of them will warm up to the idea of bringing you to their place over time, but pulling it off on the first encounter really reveals her as a UTR rather than a true SB. Maybe sometimes that's a good thing but you would probably have better luck pulling UTRs off CL.

2. I'm not married but have a live in GF so I always do a hotel and never in the city I live in.

[QUOTE=GBL86;2125509]Hey Gang,

Another noob here, dipping my toes into the sugar pool. Like most of y'all I'm married too, which can be somewhat limiting at times. Have identified a few POTs and have been exchanging emails lately. Biggest issue I've learned recently is finding a place to play. All POTs I've been emailing have gone nearly radio silent when I ask them if they have their own place. I've even tried to qualify my question with logic (I know. Stop laughing! Saying that hotel costs will negatively impact the level of support I can provide to them. So would like to know a couple of things:

1. What's the best way to broach this subject with a POT without turning them off?

2. What are you other married guys doing as far as a FC?

I think it was Billy Crystal who once said "Women need a reason to have sex; men just need a place". So true.[/QUOTE]Since my budget is lower these days I have told the SB Pots that I Like to relax in a nice home environment and prefer their place if they live alone, once they are comfortable with me. I want them to get the extra money instead of the Hotel chain. They will think about the extra money, so factor that into your offer. Most will not like it but I have had success there.

Case in point: With one of my ATFs I went out of town to meet her for dinner. The understanding was we would go to the FC all night if we felt a connection. She was OK with her home but friends talked her out of it and she required a hotel the 1st visit. After dinner I asked if she wanted to spend some quiet time together and she said yes, so I told her that I was stepping out to make a reservation. She said not to worry and she felt safe to invite me to her home. And home we went.

Married FC: usually means a hotel. I always pick a dirt cheap one since you will only be spending a few hours together. One of my SBs likes public / car sex but I will not do that. I'm too old and can't be caught on a public indecency rap.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2125375]I've got the kind of frame that I can put on 35 lbs before anyone says "have you gained a few pounds?" But I learned a great deal about the benefits of staying as fit as possible as we get older.

When I first split up from my ex-wife I would go out hunting women at my "married" weight (about 20 lbs over ideal). No problems really. But then experimentally I got back into fitness and healthy eating more heavily and I realized something. Whatever your current success is with women, it is magnified as you approach your ideal weight (more on that later), meaning you will realize the benefits of (1) more encounters, (2) better sex from those encounters, or (3) just better looking women or (4) all of the above as you approach your ideal weight or fitness level.

What I thought was "good enough" (my married weight) probably was, but after I saw what was possible after I got serious about going to the gym again there was no turning back.

I doubt many SBs care about six pack abs or any other notion of perfect looks that someone might have, because in an SD the competition is other guys of same age, we aren't competing with 21 year old guys' physique any more than they can compete with our career success (the latter being more attractive to the SB anyway). But, it's also good to point out that the closer you can get to looking young (however it is, and for many people that means not gaining too much weight) then it will only benefit you in bed. We perform better, we fuck more vigorously, our cock gets harder, our stamina and energy are better, etc. And sex is even more enjoyable when we are fit.

So, that's the real reason for hitting the gym as a SD I think. That and simply living longer, avoiding injuries and stress on our body and immune system that occurs from being overweight. Anything that stresses our immune system increases our risk of cancer and of course increased susceptibility to STDs etc. , so the healthier we are the better we can fuck them. We are not going to have much fun in the bowl if we are laid up with late stage cancer because we ate too many refined sugar products.

I mentioned I would come back to "ideal weight". By that I just mean the weight at which we look our best. For me that usually means "as thin as I can get", because I find gaining weight too easy and staying the same weight I was in college is much more challenging. For those who are more thin than average then maybe gaining a few pounds is beneficial (as long as it doesn't get to the point of slowing you down in bed).

I can't remember the last time I was "too thin" so I just strive for the lowest weight I can achieve -- I also lift weights, not to try to get bigger, but because I want to delay muscle atrophy as much as possible (muscle atrophy more than any other feature of aging really will make a person look old, and if we don't use our muscles we lose them). Also lifting weights boosts our natural testosterone levels, which makes us hornier and just generally feeling younger than we are.

I think I've successfully tricked my body into maintaining very close to my ideal weight even when I don't work out, as long as I don't slip back into careless eating habits. But even still, when I do work out everything is just so much better, more enjoyable.[/QUOTE]You hit so many important points dead center I won't try to list them. Being tall had allowed me to carry too much extra weight that, while not visually impairing, was physically taxing me in more ways than I understood at the time. The day my marriage ended I was diagnosed with skin cancer and had a heart attack that afternoon while visiting my Cardiologist for a previously made appointment. All in all, not a good day. However, since that time I have gone on to regain my health physically and the benefits have extended to my emotional and sexual well being too.

When I first started trying the SD / SB life, I offered over the top compensation to SBs because I assumed my age would be such a turn off to young women. Reading posts from you, HollywoodGuy, and others made me realize that our age, not just our money, can be the selling point. Being in good shape and good health just seals the deal.

So back to sending out emails and getting responses from most. I tend to search SA for most recent users and email those actively online. Had a few on the hook, but reeled in a 23 year old 5'7" average build girl with nice tits, super pretty face. She immediately went to the "how much do you pay" during texting. We agreed to meet and go straight to the room.

She was the classic girl with piercings, tats and all that scene going on, but she was also very sweet and shy, shy, shy. There was no question we were to have sex, we had openly texted and discussed it. But with this girl, I could just not get my overall mojo going. Finally I started kissing and she was hesitant some, we went to the bed, I took off her clothing, I complimented her body, it was nice. Her face a solid 9, body a solid 8. I tried kissing her, she was not into it much, tried kissing her neck, body, no reaction, she just smiled. Finally DATY and this is one activity I seriously pride myself with. Each girl is always different and I have developed a knack for really reading their cues and almost always guide them to screaming O's this way and than the rest of all the fucking usually is them asking, or even begging for it. Well this one, wiggled around non stop. She was rocking her hips, moving sideway, up and down etc. Finally I just asked how she liked it and she just kept saying, "you're fine, I like it" whatever, I could not find a rhythm or angle to get this girl into it. Finally I lay back down by her, gave up on the kissing etc. She asked if I wanted to have sex now. I jumped up on top and she asks if I had a rubber, (I don't even bring them to the sugar bowl, I do not fuck in the bowl with a cover. If I feel she is not fuckable without a rubber, in the sugar bowl, it's just not happening then) I stop and we talk a bit, I tell her I'll pull out, she rambles on about safe sex. Finally she agrees if I pull out, she will fuck me. I get back on top and slide it in and she does that hip, leg lock thing girls do that prevent you from going in deep. She turns her head sideways and moans a little, but not much. I pump away, finally working her leg lock off me and get in deeper and she begins to get into it. I think finally Houston, we have a sign of life!

After ten minutes or so we switch to doggie and I finish on her ass. Nice view. She was super sweet and shy as she was before sex. Next day I text her and initiate a response from her about why she was not really into it and what I might do to improve the situation. She shoots back a long text about not liking close intimacy and she views sex as just getting off and she wants to see me again, but she does not want "sensual" sex and would rather hangout and than just get each other off. OK, fine, but seriously, most women want some level of sensuality even if it is fake.

The moral here, is these girls are great, but most are kind of fucked up in some capacity or another. By the time my sugar bowl career is over, I'll probably be a shrink.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2126109]So back to sending out emails and getting responses from most. I tend to search SA for most recent users and email those actively online. Had a few on the hook, but reeled in a 23 year old 5'7" average build girl with nice tits, super pretty face. She immediately went to the "how much do you pay" during texting. We agreed to meet and go straight to the room.

She was the classic girl with piercings, tats and all that scene going on, but she was also very sweet and shy, shy, shy. There was no question we were to have sex, we had openly texted and discussed it. But with this girl, I could just not get my overall mojo going. Finally I started kissing and she was hesitant some, we went to the bed, I took off her clothing, I complimented her body, it was nice. Her face a solid 9, body a solid 8. I tried kissing her, she was not into it much, tried kissing her neck, body, no reaction, she just smiled. Finally DATY and this is one activity I seriously pride myself with. Each girl is always different and I have developed a knack for really reading their cues and almost always guide them to screaming O's this way and than the rest of all the fucking usually is them asking, or even begging for it. Well this one, wiggled around non stop. She was rocking her hips, moving sideway, up and down etc. Finally I just asked how she liked it and she just kept saying, "you're fine, I like it" whatever, I could not find a rhythm or angle to get this girl into it. Finally I lay back down by her, gave up on the kissing etc. She asked if I wanted to have sex now. I jumped up on top and she asks if I had a rubber, (I don't even bring them to the sugar bowl, I do not fuck in the bowl with a cover. If I feel she is not fuckable without a rubber, in the sugar bowl, it's just not happening then) I stop and we talk a bit, I tell her I'll pull out, she rambles on about safe sex. Finally she agrees if I pull out, she will fuck me. I get back on top and slide it in and she does that hip, leg lock thing girls do that prevent you from going in deep. She turns her head sideways and moans a little, but not much. I pump away, finally working her leg lock off me and get in deeper and she begins to get into it. I think finally Houston, we have a sign of life!

After ten minutes or so we switch to doggie and I finish on her ass. Nice view. She was super sweet and shy as she was before sex. Next day I text her and initiate a response from her about why she was not really into it and what I might do to improve the situation. She shoots back a long text about not liking close intimacy and she views sex as just getting off and she wants to see me again, but she does not want "sensual" sex and would rather hangout and than just get each other off. OK, fine, but seriously, most women want some level of sensuality even if it is fake.

The moral here, is these girls are great, but most are kind of fucked up in some capacity or another. By the time my sugar bowl career is over, I'll probably be a shrink.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a pass. Keep looking.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2126109]She shoots back a long text about not liking close intimacy and she views sex as just getting off and she wants to see me again, but she does not want "sensual" sex and would rather hangout and than just get each other off. OK, fine, but seriously, most women want some level of sensuality even if it is fake.
[/QUOTE]Actually with enough time, you'll encounter quite a few girls who don't want "sensual" sex, they just want you to fuck them hard and then be done with it. Sometimes it's a sign that they're a PRO or UTR, but there other reasons as well. They may have a husband / boyfriend or "special someone" who they are only sensual with. It's how they compartmentalize. They figure it's not really cheating if it's not sensual sex. Another reason is that they just might not be attracted to you. I've had this happen before where the girl thought I was passable to fuck, but later revealed I wasn't really her type. She was fine with and enjoyed "getting off" with me, but not on a romantic level, just pure physical. Like a "friends with benefits" or "fuck buddy" in the purest sense. Girls these days like to have a lot of sex, but they also like to put you in a particular labeled box in order to justify or make sense of their sexual activity.

And finally some girls simply just like aggressive sex. They like it fast and hard with minimal oral and just pure fucking usually accompanied with tons of dirty / degrading talk. That's why if I can, try to figure out roughly what style of sex the girl is predisposed to. I can modify my style for the situation, but I tend to be more at ease with "sensual sex" and I tend to be a little bit out of my element if the girl wants it very rough with abusive talk. So for long-term SBs, I prefer a girl who is more sensual, but for short-term or BCs, it doesn't really matter since part of the fun with the Sugar Bowl is the different experiences and experimenting with different persona's.

Friends.

I am in dilemma. I met POT who is beautiful and my dream type. I could find all her info and she had 1 SD before. Also I confirmed identify as she told me. But she wants to know about my real name that she can verify. What should I do? How should I handle it? She want to verify me before going to next level.

Help me here. Should I or should I not reveal my real name. My small head is saying let's go and share. But big brain is telling me be careful.

Please advise.

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2126352]Friends.

I am in dilemma. I met POT who is beautiful and my dream type. I could find all her info and she had 1 SD before. Also I confirmed identify as she told me. But she wants to know about my real name that she can verify. What should I do? How should I handle it? She want to verify me before going to next level.

Help me here. Should I or should I not reveal my real name. My small head is saying let's go and share. But big brain is telling me be careful.

Please advise.[/QUOTE]IMHO.

FUCK THAT SHIT.

1. You have the cash that she needs, that means you make the rules.

2. You have no basis for a trusting relationship w this woman; she needs to earn your trust because rule 1.

3. Unless you are going to marry her, no woman is worth risking the other parts of your life.

4. No matter how hot she is, see rules 1-3.

[QUOTE=Tidad;2126385]IMHO.

FUCK THAT SHIT.

1. You have the cash that she needs, that means you make the rules.

2. You have no basis for a trusting relationship w this woman; she needs to earn your trust because rule 1.

3. Unless you are going to marry her, no woman is worth risking the other parts of your life.

4. No matter how hot she is, see rules 1-3.[/QUOTE]Thanks Bro. ! I need to control my little brain here. ! I am not taking the chance even though I could dream of this girl. I had M&G with her. Yesterday and boy o boy she is hot. Like a model.

After a very successful start I chalk up to beginners luck, I've ran into some real lack lusters lately, but this one takes the cake. Emailed a girl on SA a week or so ago, she send one back tonight just as I'm about to call it a night. She wants to meet. She's only 25 miles away from me so I figure what the heck. We text back and forth and I was very specific with details. She agrees to them and confirmed she was "very open minded" and had no issues with being intimate. She even said since she only had a few hours, we could just mess around in the car. (she lives in a rural area.) So I pick her up at he corner store by her house. She is hot. A solid 8, super petite, blonde spinner. She is another one of these girls with tats and piercings, so 'm already red flagged about this one. We drive and she tells me where we can go park. I'm thinking out in the bushes someplace private. Well she guides me to freaking Walmart. So I started figuring out she was not going to be messing around. So due to the time limits, I just come out with it and cut right to the chase and ask her if she was still open for sex like we discussed over texting. She plays dumb, like she is confused and she just thought we were meeting for talking in the car. Than she start looking at her phone and saying she needs to be home soon. Literally ten minutes after I pick her up. I said, fine, I'll take you home and tell her again that I did not feel the agreed amount was warranted as we did nothing. She starts in with how a SD has to prove himself and should pay the girl before sex and so on. We drove back to the area I picked her up and she is acting like she is kinda pissed. So to avoid a problem, I pull out my wallet and offer up half of the $ $ we agreed on over texting. I did this to avoid any issues. She offers me a hug and jumps out. She was in my car all of 19 minutes.

I had no intentions of seeing this girl again, but I text her just to call her bluff. Sure enough she ignores me and half hour later she's back on SA.

I was mostly mad at myself and for the time wasted, not the $ I was out.

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2126352]Friends.

I am in dilemma. I met POT who is beautiful and my dream type. I could find all her info and she had 1 SD before. Also I confirmed identify as she told me. But she wants to know about my real name that she can verify. What should I do? How should I handle it? She want to verify me before going to next level.

Help me here. Should I or should I not reveal my real name. My small head is saying let's go and share. But big brain is telling me be careful.

Please advise.[/QUOTE]If you are married or have career risks on the table I would probably pass on her. If you're single with less to lose then why not? Most of the married SDs probably won't give her their real name, so it will give you the edge over the competition. Is she forthcoming with her own real info? I've found many of them are. If she gave you all the info on herself, then you can't really blame her for expecting the same from you. We aren't playing fairly in the bowl if we expect them to be honest with us without us needing to reciprocate.

What exactly is she trying to "verify"? Ask her specifically, is she just trying to "research you" because she wants to know? If so, you can politely remind her that you're not planning on doing any unreasonable research into her private life, because the type of arrangement you're looking for does not require this. If she says the type of arrangement she's looking for does, then pin her down on specifics. If she's being too much of a pain in the ass, then you already have reason to pass on her because she will be a much bigger pain in the ass later on.

I will tell you that the most impressive SB I ever banged had some interesting opinions. She never pryed about my last name or whatever, but she mentioned more than once about how she absolutely hated married guys and that was her biggest peeve with meeting guys so far. I didn't want to get into a debate so I didn't bother to mention that most daddies are married, so she's playing with losing odds. Maybe she was trying to get me to tell more about my situation, who knows. I never told her about my girlfriend because I didn't want to screw up a perfect evening, plus I knew I wouldn't see her again and it wouldn't matter anyway.

Just tell her you are a private person and you reveal yourself to people after you know them better.

If you are married just tell her you are. Many don't care, and if that's the part she was planning to "verify" then it makes the rest of it easier.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2126442]
What exactly is she trying to "verify"? Ask her specifically, is she just trying to "research you" because she wants to know? If so, you can politely remind her that you're not planning on doing any unreasonable research into her private life, because the type of arrangement you're looking for does not require this. If she says the type of arrangement she's looking for does, then pin her down on specifics. If she's being too much of a pain in the ass, then you already have reason to pass on her because she will be a much bigger pain in the ass later on.
.[/QUOTE]Here is what she texted me.

This is a big deal for me. I want to be able to google you and your name and face show up. That's all I want.

Hahaha yes. You can find me on google. I think my twitter is the first link. But can I still verify you?

Then.

This is a big deal for me. I want to be able to google you and your name and face show up. That's all I want.

Before I drive an hour for a police sting.

She kept on going and finally says, All I want to see is a work bio. I won't google anything else. I'm not asking for much.

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2126452]Here is what she texted me.

This is a big deal for me. I want to be able to google you and your name and face show up. That's all I want.

Hahaha yes. You can find me on google. I think my twitter is the first link. But can I still verify you?

Then.

This is a big deal for me. I want to be able to google you and your name and face show up. That's all I want.

Before I drive an hour for a police sting.

She kept on going and finally says, All I want to see is a work bio. I won't google anything else. I'm not asking for much.[/QUOTE]I had some girl driving me crazy for pics last week. I always send a few (accurate and easy to see what I look like). Not good enough for her. After about 40 txts I told her to leave me alone.

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2126452]Here is what she texted me.

This is a big deal for me. I want to be able to google you and your name and face show up. That's all I want.

Hahaha yes. You can find me on google. I think my twitter is the first link. But can I still verify you?

Then.

This is a big deal for me. I want to be able to google you and your name and face show up. That's all I want.

Before I drive an hour for a police sting.

She kept on going and finally says, All I want to see is a work bio. I won't google anything else. I'm not asking for much.[/QUOTE]Work bio? Absolutely not. Your employment information plus a printout of the texts exchanged are enough for her to bleed you dry. She could easily threaten you w / [URL]www.exposingjohns.com[/URL] or something of the like. It doesn't even have to be her plan right now, if you have a falling out in the future do you believe she has more to lose than you do? Does it matter? There's enough trouble in this world, don't go looking for it. Walk away. If she comes a round to some reasonable expectations then have fun, if not there are always more hot chicks.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2126398]After a very successful start I chalk up to beginners luck, I've ran into some real lack lusters lately, but this one takes the cake. Emailed a girl on SA a week or so ago, she send one back tonight just as I'm about to call it a night. She wants to meet. She's only 25 miles away from me so I figure what the heck. We text back and forth and I was very specific with details. She agrees to them and confirmed she was "very open minded" and had no issues with being intimate. She even said since she only had a few hours, we could just mess around in the car. (she lives in a rural area.) So I pick her up at he corner store by her house. She is hot. A solid 8, super petite, blonde spinner. She is another one of these girls with tats and piercings, so 'm already red flagged about this one. We drive and she tells me where we can go park. I'm thinking out in the bushes someplace private. Well she guides me to freaking Walmart. So I started figuring out she was not going to be messing around. So due to the time limits, I just come out with it and cut right to the chase and ask her if she was still open for sex like we discussed over texting. She plays dumb, like she is confused and she just thought we were meeting for talking in the car. Than she start looking at her phone and saying she needs to be home soon. Literally ten minutes after I pick her up. I said, fine, I'll take you home and tell her again that I did not feel the agreed amount was warranted as we did nothing. She starts in with how a SD has to prove himself and should pay the girl before sex and so on. We drove back to the area I picked her up and she is acting like she is kinda pissed. So to avoid a problem, I pull out my wallet and offer up half of the $ $ we agreed on over texting. I did this to avoid any issues. She offers me a hug and jumps out. She was in my car all of 19 minutes.

I had no intentions of seeing this girl again, but I text her just to call her bluff. Sure enough she ignores me and half hour later she's back on SA.

I was mostly mad at myself and for the time wasted, not the $ I was out.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a set up of one kind or another, none of which would have resulted in a happy ending for you. No pun intended. Others will disagree but I would have thrown her some sacrificial green as well. Just to end the date and move on. Fortunately you'll never know what would have happened if you had tossed her out of your car with nothing.

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2126452]Here is what she texted me.

This is a big deal for me. I want to be able to google you and your name and face show up. That's all I want.

Hahaha yes. You can find me on google. I think my twitter is the first link. But can I still verify you?

Then.

This is a big deal for me. I want to be able to google you and your name and face show up. That's all I want.

Before I drive an hour for a police sting.

She kept on going and finally says, All I want to see is a work bio. I won't google anything else. I'm not asking for much.[/QUOTE]God, then my answer to her would be easy: "Sweetheart sugar babying is not illegal. I'm paying for companionship only. I can't help it if we find each other irresistible and sex happens ".

Honestly though my interest in her would have waned the moment she said she was worried about a police sting, because it revealed her as a UTR or possibly back page girl rather than an SB. An true SB doesn't have police sting in her vocabulary.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2126697]God, then my answer to her would be easy: "Sweetheart sugar babying is not illegal. I'm paying for companionship only. I can't help it if we find each other irresistible and sex happens ".

Honestly though my interest in her would have waned the moment she said she was worried about a police sting, because it revealed her as a UTR or possibly back page girl rather than an SB. An true SB doesn't have police sting in her vocabulary.[/QUOTE]Thank JL, Tidad, HW for helping me and guiding me through this. I am glad I didn't reveal anything. I am going to pass. As it is too much txting now.

The blogs tell the girls to confirm who you are going out with so they can tell a friend where they are and who they are with. Perhaps a reasonable request, what we would tell our daughters about a blind date. But for us married guys this will not work. It never ceases to amaze me what some of these girls will risk for the almighty dollar.

A Story: I had a M&G out of town with a 20 something. The deal was if we enjoyed dinner we would proceed to her house and spend the night. We did and I followed her home out in the deep woods, no neighbors within 2 miles. We prepared for bed and I had my travel bag with me containing candles, and other sex accouterments. She was under the covers naked with her eyes wide open and said "please don't kill me in the night, you're not a CL Killer are you? I'm thinking "WTF?" But seriously, she knew nothing about me. Fortunately for her she got a nice ride and a good nights sleep on my shoulder and survived the night. These girls do take stupid risks.

A Pot I am scheduled to see tomorrow wants a pic and I am reluctant to send her one since I don't want anything on the web with my real Pic. I'm not sure I will send her one.

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2126740]Thank JL, Tidad, HW for helping me and guiding me through this. I am glad I didn't reveal anything. I am going to pass. As it is too much txting now.[/QUOTE]I learned this long ago about women. It's the information they have on you that they swear the absolute very most they will NEVER use against you, that they will always use first when they are jaded. You can never be too guarded with these situations. When a woman becomes angry, she goes right for the nukes in an emotional rage and anything she has on you, will be the very first thing she uses.

When I was involved in my four year affair that I had hid from both my mistress and wife at the time, I purchased an investment house three years earlier into the relationship. When the house was vacant after purchase, I thought it would be a nice convenient place to bring my mistress to for a random night of sex. I didn't even think she paid attention to where the home was. During our breakup, three years later, she showed up at the front door of that home pounding on the front door demanding my tenants tell her where I was at. Scary shit! I was blown away that she had even remembered that random night and blown away even more that she went back to that house we had only been at once!

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2126791]I learned this long ago about women. It's the information they have on you that they swear the absolute very most they will NEVER use against you, that they will always use first when they are jaded. You can never be too guarded with these situations. When a woman becomes angry, she goes right for the nukes in an emotional rage and anything she has on you, will be the very first thing she uses.

When I was involved in my four year affair that I had hid from both my mistress and wife at the time, I purchased an investment house three years earlier into the relationship. When the house was vacant after purchase, I thought it would be a nice convenient place to bring my mistress to for a random night of sex. I didn't even think she paid attention to where the home was. During our breakup, three years later, she showed up at the front door of that home pounding on the front door demanding my tenants tell her where I was at. Scary shit! I was blown away that she had even remembered that random night and blown away even more that she went back to that house we had only been at once![/QUOTE]Yeah, I say retain anonymity as much as possible. On my last SB-traveling binge, I was going to be in one area for about 4-5 days. Due to all of these vacation rental websites that have made renting houses by the day feasible, I toyed with the idea of renting a nice house for my trip instead of a hotel, as there were lots of things I liked about it such as parking my car in a driveway next to the house, having lots more room and furniture possibilities for fucking etc. But I ultimately decided against it. Why? Dead easy for the girl to find out who the owner of the home is and trick them into revealing my identity. Not easy at all with a decent hotel as they have strict privacy policies in place. I also didn't like the idea that they could just drive by and see if I was there, potentially break in or screw with my car. I ended up staying in a resort that had gated security. Very nice because then I can tell the girl to follow me in with her car, and I tell the guard she's with me.

Also gives her peace of mind in terms of wondering about whether I'm safe, because she knows they have cameras all over the place, etc.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2126791]I learned this long ago about women. It's the information they have on you that they swear the absolute very most they will NEVER use against you, that they will always use first when they are jaded. You can never be too guarded with these situations. When a woman becomes angry, she goes right for the nukes in an emotional rage and anything she has on you, will be the very first thing she uses.
![/QUOTE]Well, She came back saying. We must trust each other. She is willing to meet now. Wow. What a turnaround. Should I still move fwd now. As looks like info sharing issue is gone? Or will she still try to investigate based on hotel room detail / info? I will try to use different name on my bookind.

When do you all give sugar to SB? End of the meet or before? Some SB ask full upfront, half after dinner and half after the date. Thoughts?

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2126944]When do you all give sugar to SB? End of the meet or before? Some SB ask full upfront, half after dinner and half after the date. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]There used to be a promotional ad for The Man Show after Joe Rogan and Doug Stanhope took over, where they were applying for jobs and asking if it would be possible to receive the annual salary up front. LOL.

I don't let the SB ask. I gift them after the deed based on how happy daddy is at the end of the date.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2126950]There used to be a promotional ad for The Man Show after Joe Rogan and Doug Stanhope took over, where they were applying for jobs and asking if it would be possible to receive the annual salary up front. LOL.

I don't let the SB ask. I gift them after the deed based on how happy daddy is at the end of the date.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I am certainly not new. SD but back from break. And making me act like newbie.

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2126841]Well, She came back saying. We must trust each other. She is willing to meet now. Wow. What a turnaround. Should I still move fwd now. As looks like info sharing issue is gone? Or will she still try to investigate based on hotel room detail / info? I will try to use different name on my bookind.[/QUOTE]She'll return with the same old song and dance because this is important to her. Confidentiality is important to KingGreg as it should be. KingGreg needs to move on to someone else.

The bottom line is things must be a natural fit or there is no fit.

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2126982]Thanks. I am certainly not new. SD but back from break. And making me act like newbie.[/QUOTE]You are in the same boat as me. After being in the game (and the bowl) years before this thread existed, and indeed having some good success, I left to pursue civilian relationships. Now I am back, but finding a great more difficulty in meeting POTs that I used to have. Talked to many ladies on SD(ie) dot com but can't get any of them to a M&G. It amazes me that you are able to negotiate the amount and a potential trip to the FC before you even get to the M&G. Then again, I find myself only going after younger, more attractive ladies. But then I am in the bowl to get the ladies I couldn't ordinarily get as a doughy, middle aged dude! I'm sure they are Nano 1's with GPS which is part of the problem. I'm just not comfortable discussing money via text message! And at least in my area, AA ladies seem to be more aggressive, and take a lower allowance. But I am not attracted to them at all, so that does hurt my odds.

Norm!

[QUOTE=NormGerd;2127066]You are in the same boat as me. After being in the game (and the bowl) years before this thread existed, and indeed having some good success, I left to pursue civilian relationships. Now I am back, but finding a great more difficulty in meeting POTs that I used to have. Talked to many ladies on SD(ie) dot com but can't get any of them to a M&G. It amazes me that you are able to negotiate the amount and a potential trip to the FC before you even get to the M&G. Then again, I find myself only going after younger, more attractive ladies. But then I am in the bowl to get the ladies I couldn't ordinarily get as a doughy, middle aged dude! I'm sure they are Nano 1's with GPS which is part of the problem. I'm just not comfortable discussing money via text message! And at least in my area, AA ladies seem to be more aggressive, and take a lower allowance. But I am not attracted to them at all, so that does hurt my odds.

Norm![/QUOTE]Norm, I always do M&G. My POT is 22 . Young and beautiful. My preferences are like yours as well. Yes, it has been very difficult to find SBs.

They are demanding high sugar amt though. For few hours. !

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2127086]Norm, I always do M&G. My POT is 22 . Young and beautiful. My preferences are like yours as well. Yes, it has been very difficult to find SBs.

They are demanding high sugar amt though. For few hours. ![/QUOTE]Sorry I did not mean to suggest that people were skipping the M&G. Which some do. Rather, I was commenting on those who have the ability to arrange not only the M&G, but the availability and price of post-M&G fun before they ever meet. Now that being said, I do not post pictures of myself (or any pictures at all) and this certainly cuts down on my responses I think.

Norm!

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2126982]Thanks. I am certainly not new. SD but back from break. And making me act like newbie.[/QUOTE]Hope I wasn't treating you like one (not intentional if so). I just blurt out my own methodology. Others have theirs that works for them.

I am beyond frustrated tonight. I have been messaging a petite, light skinned 19 yo College Pot (HollywoodGuy, she was right up your alley) I found on SA for several days. She is into being submissive (I make it clear in my profile and initial messages I am a Dom), and some of our emails had been pretty explicit about what we were going to do when we met. She was down for the FC immediately, *never* brought up money or a M&G, and seemed to be focused primarily on the dirty talk (and anticipated activity). She was engaging during our emails / texts, seemed very intelligent, and was down with being obedient or being disciplined if she wasn't (and she knew I have a sadistic streak). I did my due diligence (I have sources at her school I can discretely verify things with, and her FB profile had no security whatsoever), and she was definitely for real.

Monday we were planning to meet, and that morning she informed me that her visitor had arrived, and she also woke up with a sore throat (she is a nanny on the side, so that is plausible). She assured me her visitor only stayed for a couple or three days at a time, so we planned to meet tonight (if everything "cleared up".

Everything looked good this morning, she's raring to meet, and I tell her 6 pm and at which hotel I will be (as well as what will happen if she is late, in explicit detail). She says she understands very clearly, and might be a few minutes late just to be punished. I get to the hotel, set up the room, text her the room number at 5:55.

I text her again 10 minutes later, and she says she is on her way but her roommate just got home (apparently they share a car), and she is still 15-20 minutes out because it is her turn to buy gas. (This girl lives less than a mile from the hotel).

I send her a text asking her to tell me why I shouldn't leave the hotel and block her number. She is, to put it mildly, shocked, and says that she couldn't help it that her roommate was late.

I explain that she can't help when her period is, or whether she picks up a bug from a kid she is sitting for, but she can lace up her shoes and walk a mile once she realizes she is going to be late.

She gets an attitude, saying that is not fair and it's only 30 minutes. At this point, I am steaming. I pack up the room and leave. I only had 2 hours, and if she's this flaky the first time we meet, how much of my time will she waste down the line when she's more "comfortable" with me?

15 minutes later, I get a text from her saying she is downstairs and asking for the room number again. I text back that she needs to check her email.

I sent her an email (already composed) explaining that most SD's are married, and it can be a challenge getting away from the SO, so time is very valuable to us. In addition, many of us have careers that are not salary based, so time literally is money. I encouraged her to be more respectful of her Daddy's (and Dom's, since she's really into that) time the next time she tries to start an arrangement, because being late or not respecting his time is expensive.

I attached a picture of 5 crisp, brand new Benjamins laying on the hotel bed. I wasn't going to give her that much ($ or $. 5 at most), but I wanted the message to sink in. I also wanted her to regret fucking this up when she is with her next Daddy (who will not give her anywhere near that, because the market in my area doesn't require it).

OK, I feel *much* better now.

The Doctor has left the building.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2072468]A different local girl finally logged on to SA and replied to a message I sent her a couple weeks ago. We decided to meet up that evening. She was very attractive, petite blonde, girl next door. Smart, funny, personable. My kind of SB. As soon as we got in my car, she wanted to kiss and we had a hot, over the clothes make out session right there in the parking ramp. We drove around looking for someplace with a little more privacy but didn't really find a place and she had to be up too early to check into a hotel. She seemed very interested in meeting with me as soon as possible and she said she'd make it a priority. As I dropped her off, she asked if I could help her with some money. All I had on me was a twenty, and she seemed appreciative. I was on Cloud Nine the rest of the night, I thought I'd finally found my new SB.

Sure enough, the next day she's not responding to my texts. Doesn't respond to a text on the day after, either. I'm actually concerned about her well being, but I'm also suspecting something else is going on. So I purchase a Hushed number and text her from that, pretending to be some random person texting her. Of course she responds to that text. So now I'm assuming that my "ideal SB" was playing me for as much money as she could get out of me on Saturday without having to do as much of the work as possible. Too bad for her, I would have given her a generous allowance based on her overall quality that night. What are some of these girls thinking?[/QUOTE]That was back in April. A couple of weeks ago, I saw that she had logged onto SA again, so I dropped her a message saying I was still open to seeing her. We exchanged a couple of texts, but nothing came of it and I figured she had flaked out again. Then earlier today, she texts me again wanting to see me. I actually had three girls who all wanted to see me tonight (this girl, my SDT SB, and then a POT from CL who answered my ad today). I put my SDT SB and the POT on standby while I made arrangements with the flake from SA. I wanted to grab her before she flaked out again.

I pick her up and drive us to the FC. On the way there she apologizes for what happened before, that she just got really busy with school and work and such. On one hand, I understand that everyone gets busy, but on the other hand some simple communication would have gone a long way. So we get to the FC and we get right down to business. She becomes very sexual and affectionate, borderline submissive. Her pussy is one of the tightest I've been in. With a pussy that tight, I didn't last long. We laid in bed for a bit, while she talked up a storm. She promises that this will be a regular thing, and that I can take her with me on a couple of weekend getaways I've been considering going on. I'm taking every single word she says with a grain of salt. I already have trust issues and she fucked up once before. Now my guard is higher than normal with her.

She's definitely a good fuck and decent companionship, but with her tendency to flake out, who knows if or when I'll see her again. I slipped some sugar into her purse when her back was turned. As it turns out, she had a bit of a financial crisis and I suspect that it was what prompted her to contact me in the first place: She needed some cash and needed it fast. She asked me if I could help her out and I told her there was a gift for her in her purse. She seemed appreciative, but who knows.

In the meantime, tomorrow evening I have my first FC date with the roomie of my SDT SB and it's an overnight. This one I'm really looking forward to!

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2127374]
She's definitely a good fuck and decent companionship, but with her tendency to flake out, who knows if or when I'll see her again. I slipped some sugar into her purse when her back was turned. As it turns out, she had a bit of a financial crisis and I suspect that it was what prompted her to contact me in the first place: She needed some cash and needed it fast. She asked me if I could help her out and I told her there was a gift for her in her purse. She seemed appreciative, but who knows.
[/QUOTE]My CL Teacher SB who is now my long-term ATF, started out as a high frequency flake. But when we were together, we had a genuine rapport. So after sticking with it and demonstrating a few kind acts (ie. One time when she wasn't feeling well, I said it was okay to skip the FC activities that day), the flaking frequency gradually got lower because she began to value the arrangement more and knew I wasn't an asshole.

I also recently found out the primary reason she was flaking was because she had a boyfriend. She pretty much goes radio silent everytime her boyfriend is in town or when she visits him. Initially these blackout periods seemed completely random, but once I found the boyfriend's FB page (he's pretty active), I was able to matchup her radio silences with his visits. So while she still goes radio silent on me for days at a time, she doesn't flake on our dates like she did before.

Point is, if she's a good fuck and a good companion, then it might be worth sticking through her BS initially even if she has a high tendency to flake. She might end up being a semi-regular eventually. Just always have a backup or two so you don't get disappointed when she does flake. And if things never improve with her reliability, then just drop her until she knows if she really wants to have an arrangement or not.

FotoGuy mentioned in his report about slipping money into the SB's purse. Quite a few other guys here have also successfully done this.

I think it's a pretty smooth and slick move. I've thought about doing it myself, however the main reason I've avoided it is because I don't want the girl to feel uncomfortable that I might have been looking through her purse. I wouldn't want her going through my wallet even if she was slipping me naked photos. Also the other problem is that the girl may leave thinking you were a cheapskate and not realize you actually put something in her purse. Some girls are more organized than others and may not quickly notice an envelope or extra cash until much later.

Just wanted to get others opinion on the Purse Slip technique. I like the idea because money is not only never mentioned but not even exchanged, so there's no awkward moments with the hand-off. I'm just concerned that if it's not done properly, the girl will think you stiffed them or might get pissed that you might have been looking through their purse.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;2127057]She'll return with the same old song and dance because this is important to her. Confidentiality is important to KingGreg as it should be. KingGreg needs to move on to someone else.

The bottom line is things must be a natural fit or there is no fit.[/QUOTE]Well, I was wrong. ! My POT SB did compromise and travelled to see me. Friends. She is like 9. 5/10 for me. Ohh my. Nervous start. Cleared the water for 30-45 minutes. ! Oh lord. Best time of my life. Though only 1 goal was allowed. But enjoyed every bit of it. So you never know. This was a pure luck. But sugar is little high but getting quality.