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[QUOTE=MattK;2170417]Yesterday while driving home I took a quick spin through the side streets near the Salvation Army. I didn't have the chance to indulge, but it was as though somebody unloaded a truckload of spinner BSW's. I counted at least 15 of them on my ride through. Mamacita's was in use and I don't do car action so I am going to try back today and see what is out there. This was about 4:20 PM.[/QUOTE]Where is this location?
[QUOTE=Eslide3;2169923]I'm really surprised there isn't more talk on here about having a piece on you at all times. It seems stupid to me not to carry a pistol at all times in this game.
I'm glad you've traveled, but I could give a shit where you learned the trade, its the same all over the world. You want to have a pissing contest we should look for the nearest bridge. All bullshit aside, everything but having a spare car just to go hunt for pussy, the average guy can and should pull off, its very solid advise.
If we go back to why I commented in the first place I was trying to make a point that ethnicity makes a big difference in your experience out here, specifically in atlanta on FIB, not in Juan Valdez. A white guy is going to have to make himself look pretty fuckin haggard to get $20 service off the street, he won't have to be rolling a benz for them to get $$ in their eyes. Same thing in a strip club, work van or not, this town is fuckin racist.[/QUOTE]In all fairness, the beater was initially purchased while living in CJ, just to lower the likelihood of it being stolen from in front of my house. There's a reason why homes down there have bars on the windows and steel gates. Unfortunately, it did me little good as my Blazer got lifted out of the church parking lot one Sunday morning about a week before Christmas. No presents under the tree yet, as I had intended on heading to El Paso that day to get all of them. Instead, I found my self walking an area called "La Curva" scoping out any old model vehicles that might be there that had still might have a US title. Now considering that was 13 years ago, it has turned into the classic beater at this point and was kept just in case one of these oh so reliable newer creations ever fail to serve. I can get it out about once every couple of weeks under the guise "I got to drive it once in a while to keep the seals from drying out. " More like to keep my seals from drying out.
But, don't be fooled, it makes a huge difference where you learn the trade. I have seen some crazy shit that would probably never happen here, but hey, it served to prepare me.
On a closing note, yeah, shitload of reverse racism in the ATL. So much that I am seriously considering packing and moving my kids back to CJ, and so that they can learn more about the other half of their culture. But it's no so much the racism as the perception. If someone thinks that you have money and they are a bottom feeder, they will attempt to get as much of it from you as they can. It's called capitalism. And it is absolutely no different across the border as all Americans, black, white, brown, yellow and red are perceived to have the cash to play big. One thing about ATL though is that there are more affluent black people here than there are in most areas in America, but that really doesn't help to overcome the perception, because to a street person, they will always see color as the economic divider. In that I absolutely agree. But, I have had a lot of success keeping prices reasonable by playing the part.
BTW-Juan Valdez was columbian. LOL.
[QUOTE=Stormrider;2170918]In all fairness, the beater was initially purchased while living in CJ, just to lower the likelihood of it being stolen from in front of my house. There's a reason why homes down there have bars on the windows and steel gates. Unfortunately, it did me little good as my Blazer got lifted out of the church parking lot one Sunday morning about a week before Christmas. No presents under the tree yet, as I had intended on heading to El Paso that day to get all of them. Instead, I found my self walking an area called "La Curva" scoping out any old model vehicles that might be there that had still might have a US title. Now considering that was 13 years ago, it has turned into the classic beater at this point and was kept just in case one of these oh so reliable newer creations ever fail to serve. I can get it out about once every couple of weeks under the guise "I got to drive it once in a while to keep the seals from drying out. " More like to keep my seals from drying out.
But, don't be fooled, it makes a huge difference where you learn the trade. I have seen some crazy shit that would probably never happen here, but hey, it served to prepare me.
On a closing note, yeah, shitload of reverse racism in the ATL. So much that I am seriously considering packing and moving my kids back to CJ, and so that they can learn more about the other half of their culture. But it's no so much the racism as the perception. If someone thinks that you have money and they are a bottom feeder, they will attempt to get as much of it from you as they can. It's called capitalism. And it is absolutely no different across the border as all Americans, black, white, brown, yellow and red are perceived to have the cash to play big. One thing about ATL though is that there are more affluent black people here than there are in most areas in America, but that really doesn't help to overcome the perception, because to a street person, they will always see color as the economic divider. In that I absolutely agree. But, I have had a lot of success keeping prices reasonable by playing the part.
BTW-Juan Valdez was columbian. LOL.[/QUOTE]Spoken like a man of experience and culture, salute.
Hit up the stroll about 930 ish and ran into a nice BSW spinner. She told me her name was KeKe, I opted for the car date BJ. She had very nice suction with light play to the boys. Very nice set of full lips on her with pretty teeth. All in all, BBBJCIM for. 4. Got digits if any seniors are interested.
Trying to get the ball rolling since I'm new in town, just give me some time fellows and let me get my mojo going. By the way, I think I love Atlanta!! LOL.
I don't think you guys realize how good you all have had it in this place in relative comparison to smaller markets. This is SWEET!!
While its off the subject of atlanta I just got back from vacation from florida, exploring daytona's SW nightlife, and the SW's of the Orange blossom trail. All I can say is girls here have nerve charging more than. 2. I'm a seasoned FIB veteran, and I haven't found a girl around that can hold a candle to the girls down there that happily jumped on. 4 for anything you want. Just venting didn't realize how comfortable the girls here have gotten and how much they think there worth, so I'll keep mongering fib since I don't live in florida, and anybody heading down there hit me up if you need any info on the best areas to find SW's in either of the above mentioned areas, happy hunting and be safe, and don't pay too much, the girls here are way overpaid for what they do.
Hey. I am a fellow monger from Ohio. I have been looking for some places for SW near ROSWELL, DUNWDY and MARIETTA but could not find anyone. Any suggestions my friends about good areas or I am hunting in the wrong places?
Smyrna utr.
[QUOTE=Hunterr31;2176788]Hey. I am a fellow monger from Ohio. I have been looking for some places for SW near ROSWELL, DUNWDY and MARIETTA but could not find anyone. Any suggestions my friends about good areas or I am hunting in the wrong places?[/QUOTE]Nothing in Roswell or Dunwoody of note. Try Franklin Rd and Delk Rd in Marietta. You also could try Indian Trail in Norcross, but's very hit or miss. Going to have to drive into the ATL for any real action.
[QUOTE=Stormrider;2176967]You also could try Indian Trail in Norcross, but's very hit or miss. [/QUOTE]It's also crawling with Gwinett County cops who will lock you up for farting in public. Fulton Industrial off I20 is your best bet, as always be careful.
Cruised Metro / Cleveland Ave and FIB for about 2. 5 hours. Why'all musta been out in force last night because EVERY time I'd see one. They'd be gone on the flip. Finally found one in a black dress for BBBJ but I can't remember her name. Funny thing, every time I said the words "cum" and "mouth" - she'd make this gagging sound. Even if I didn't yet.
Anyways, I tried to find the house with the chick that stands out in front naked for some free looks but I couldn't find it. Someone point me in the right direction.
PM if necessary.
Took the exit for Howell Mill this evening to grab a quick bite, turned into the parking lot for Chipotle, and saw a girl, early thirties, blonde, bangin body (in old clothes however) holding up a sign that read, "Traveling, Broke, Hungry". Didn't think too much of it and bought her some food. In response she said thanks and flashed me a tit. Didn't expect that, but I won't complain. Once I left the parking lot, there was another girl, possibly hispanic, with a fairly good body too, holding up a similar sign on the exit ramp for I-75 N, made a few turns to get a better view, one of those turns took me to the Walmart / Kroger entrance, and there stood another girl, about the same age, holding up a sign, only with a dog this time. I have lived in downtown for quite a few years and driven through Howell Mill at all hours of the day, but have never witnessed anything like this. While cruising through the street didn't notice any marked leos. Would be nice to see such activity and more talent fairly close to home. If anyone witnesses anything as such or knows what's going on with these "travelers", do let me know. As for me, I will make the same run tomorrow and see if they are still there.
Happy Hunting!
[QUOTE=Eslide3;2176968]It's also crawling with Gwinett County cops who will lock you up for farting in public. Fulton Industrial off I20 is your best bet, as always be careful.[/QUOTE]I live out here and have had a good bit of experience hitting the Gwinnett Village stroll. While you are basically correct in your assessment of Uncle out here, you just have to be vigilant on what you do. And don't cruise the area too many times making yourself look too obvious. It calls for less window shopping and more decisive action.
[QUOTE=Stormrider;2179386]I live out here and have had a good bit of experience hitting the Gwinnett Village stroll. While you are basically correct in your assessment of Uncle out here, you just have to be vigilant on what you do. And don't cruise the area too many times making yourself look too obvious. It calls for less window shopping and more decisive action.[/QUOTE]Give more specific details on "Gwinnett Village" location? Where is this? Off of 78/ stone mountain hwy?
[QUOTE=BJS1475;2179428]Give more specific details on "Gwinnett Village" location? Where is this? Off of 78/ stone mountain hwy?[/QUOTE]I think he is talking about off Buford Highway around Jimmy Carter and Indian Trail. Everything that is being said aout LE being there all the time is true.
[QUOTE=Stormrider;2179386]I live out here and have had a good bit of experience hitting the Gwinnett Village stroll. While you are basically correct in your assessment of Uncle out here, you just have to be vigilant on what you do. And don't cruise the area too many times making yourself look too obvious. It calls for less window shopping and more decisive action.[/QUOTE]How is the talent out there? Is it worth the drive from atl?
Times are changing, every ho got online but I still like the god old car action.
Gwinnett county / hall county.
Can anyone help me with some good loctions to look for some action?
Thank's.
[QUOTE=Eslide3;2179979]How is the talent out there? Is it worth the drive from atl?[/QUOTE]Specifically, Jimmy Carter Blvd, Oakbrook Pkwy, Indian Trail. No, it's not really worth it unless you live close. Very hit or miss, lots of LEO. More CL girls than anything else. Used to be rolling at one time. Upsides: occasional diamond in the rough, no trannies, lots of seedy motels, heavy latin presence which makes it fun to hit the bars in the area to grab a senor-eater, if you speak the lingo. And Buford Hwy, Shallowford Rd, Plaster Rd, and Cham-Tuck aren't all that far away if you get discouraged. But don't come out with high expectations and for the love of God, don't be obvious about it.
SR.
[QUOTE=Stormrider;2182994] no trannies, lots of seedy motels,
SR.[/QUOTE]That's all you had to say, I'm on my way!
God I love seedy motels.
[QUOTE=Zipper34;2179861]I think he is talking about off Buford Highway around Jimmy Carter and Indian Trail. Everything that is being said aout LE being there all the time is true.[/QUOTE]Let me emphasize this point, LE presence in those areas is very hot and heavy! Keeps things nice and safe!
Recognized my vehicle I guess and she was walking with Diamond, thin with tat's BSW, they get in and we talk. I had reviewed the big titty one (waste of time & $$ but Diamond is a flirt with big brown eyes. I did not see her but if any want her number hit me up.
Left the bar a couple of hours ago and rolled through Mary ST off of Metreo. Saw a slim BSW with a bubble in shorts waving and told her to come ride with me she got in and str8 quoted. 3 for top and. 5 for bottom. I gave her 25 and smirked and said ok she rotted her azz up and placed began BBBJ with no question. Very good to she like to finish you off she give your tip all the love you can get. While I was playing with the bubble in shirts another BSW walked by that sucked me off awhile ago. I couldn't last no more than 10 min in her mouth plus she giggling about my package jumping in her mouth. She caught it I the face after running her tongue all at the tip. She was saying damn you all backed up and wiped her face with some baby wipes in her bag. I asked fir her number but she said it was off and said she'll be around. Will repeat she worshipped it.
[QUOTE=Eslide3;2168820]Not everyone can get off in 3 minutes while getting head in the car. Seriously, why do you care what other people pay? If your system is working for you, that's great, but nothing is fool proof. A white guy driving a nice car isn't getting head for $20, and I don't think he should either, those girls aren't retarded.[/QUOTE]You ask why does it matter what others pay? The reason why it matters is that this is an economy like any other, if one guy gives a girl 60 for whatever, she thinks she is worth that from every guy making it more difficult for them to negotiate, I'm not saying you care, I'm just saying that is why the previous person cared what everyone else pays. As for what you drive? Seriously if your out on fib or wherever, you can roll up in a brand new car with temp tags and it don't matter, you have to have your mind made up what you want and what you want to pay for it. You make the offer they bite or they don't. Like you said the girls arent retarted most of them do drugs and will likely take a reasonable offer regardless of what you drive.
[QUOTE=SkyWookie;2186711]You ask why does it matter what others pay? The reason why it matters is that this is an economy like any other, if one guy gives a girl 60 for whatever, she thinks she is worth that from every guy making it more difficult for them to negotiate, I'm not saying you care, I'm just saying that is why the previous person cared what everyone else pays. As for what you drive? Seriously if your out on fib or wherever, you can roll up in a brand new car with temp tags and it don't matter, you have to have your mind made up what you want and what you want to pay for it. You make the offer they bite or they don't. Like you said the girls arent retarted most of them do drugs and will likely take a reasonable offer regardless of what you drive.[/QUOTE]This is why I don't talk prices anymore. I got one guy telling me I'm paying too much and "fucking it up for everyone else" on this forum, another in the back page section giving me a hard time for shopping for "value pussy". I didn't say anything about a brand new car, my point was further elaborated that I was talking about the racism that runs rampant in the hobby and that different people have different experiences as a result. 20 yrs of experience on the street, i spend 20 minutes on this forum to find out I've been doing it wrong all this time. You can't win for loosing around here.
Happy hunting.
[QUOTE=SkyWookie;2186711]You ask why does it matter what others pay? The reason why it matters is that this is an economy like any other, if one guy gives a girl 60 for whatever, she thinks she is worth that from every guy making it more difficult for them to negotiate[/QUOTE]While I'm not of this opinion I do negotiate in certain circumstance. IMO if a man chooses not to negotiate it doesn't effect those who do. Economically, supply and demand, if the demand (from guys willing to pay more) is low she'll relax her $. On some street life shit the minimum she'll accept is based on her hunger, hunger pangs from food and her other dependencies, that and / or pressure from management. In all cases a man has a maximum he's willing to pay and a girl has a minimum she's willing to accept.
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I've recently started working in the FIB area, and while don't typically do the SW scene, I did have a brief chat with a fairly attractive WSW named Pebbles today. I'd pulled into McDs before jumping on I-20 to head home, and she walked right over and started to get into my car. I motioned her to driver's side, told her I wasn't looking for now but I might later. We chatted a minute. She seemed level headed enough for a SW, but she did try to get me to give her $5 so she could buy some McD or something. Whatever. I got her digits - (470 area code) and called later to verify it was real. Some thug sounding guy answered then gave the phone to her. I told her I might hit her up on payday, and that if she treats me right, I might become a regular since I work in that area.
Anyway, I wanted to check in with you guys. There were reports of a skinny brunette pyscho named Pebbles about a year ago. I don't think it's the same one though. This Pebbles was tall and well-built. Short red hair and friendly smile.
Any intel on her?
[BLUE]Atlanta has a Rants and Raves thread. I just moved some posts there. Cities that have threads like that have no tolerance for the kind of shit I just moved there.
I'm not talking about disagreeing and discussing, there is always room for respectful discourse on this forum. I'm talking about fighting. That's why there is a fight thread. Next time I have to move posts I'm putting the posters back on moderation. That means that none of your posts go public until they are read. Some people, most people actually, come here to read about pussy, they really don't care to see you working out your therapy issues in public.
Good day,
A2[/BLUE]
[QUOTE=RenMan;2188554]I've recently started working in the FIB area, and while don't typically do the SW scene, I did have a brief chat with a fairly attractive WSW named Pebbles today. I'd pulled into McDs before jumping on I-20 to head home, and she walked right over and started to get into my car. I motioned her to driver's side, told her I wasn't looking for now but I might later. We chatted a minute. She seemed level headed enough for a SW, but she did try to get me to give her $5 so she could buy some McD or something. Whatever. I got her digits - (470 area code) and called later to verify it was real. Some thug sounding guy answered then gave the phone to her. I told her I might hit her up on payday, and that if she treats me right, I might become a regular since I work in that area.
Anyway, I wanted to check in with you guys. There were reports of a skinny brunette pyscho named Pebbles about a year ago. I don't think it's the same one though. This Pebbles was tall and well-built. Short red hair and friendly smile.
Any intel on her?[/QUOTE]I hate to be the bearer of bad news but its the same girl. She died her hair red and tries to play off she's new. I found out the hard way, picked her up went back to her room which at the time was off Thornton Road on 20. Did our thing but when done she went stupid and started acting nuts and yelling at me to get out. I said you are a psycho, and she stared throwing stuff around the room.
So be careful if you let her in your car, I know I never would again.
[QUOTE=SkyWookie;2189157]I hate to be the bearer of bad news but its the same girl. She died her hair red and tries to play off she's new. I found out the hard way, picked her up went back to her room which at the time was off Thornton Road on 20. Did our thing but when done she went stupid and started acting nuts and yelling at me to get out. I said you are a psycho, and she stared throwing stuff around the room.
So be careful if you let her in your car, I know I never would again.[/QUOTE]Not surprised. But tell me. How was the session itself? BBBJ? I can manage "crazy" if the pussy is good. And she did look pretty hot. Especially for a SW.
[QUOTE=RenMan;2189675]Not surprised. But tell me. How was the session itself? BBBJ? I can manage "crazy" if the pussy is good. And she did look pretty hot. Especially for a SW.[/QUOTE]She has a cute face for a SW, but it had appeared she had gotten really out of shape or had a kid, she used to have a curvy yet tight body, not so anymore, as for BJ, LOL, she wouldn't do one at all, she wouldn't put her face near it. Then again she didn't before either, maybe you'd have better luck. She actually had an ad posted on BP recently, going by another name but you can't mistake the face and body in the pic. She used her hand to make it grow. When you put it inside she lays there, looking away not moving until your done. She acts all cute and sweet and excited until she has your $ in hand, then she shifts gears. As far as what actually went on between us it was ok as far as how it felt physically but imo she ruined it with her personality, only difference with her between now and a year ago is that she looked better and was tighter a year ago. If your into WSW's, hit wendell, and fib from wendell down to the light at babes, at least at night time I can't speak for the day. Theres a really cute petite girl with a great body that roams that area named Karma, unfortunately she doesn't have a cell phone, or when I saw her last she didn't. You can't miss her because she really is skinny and tiny, not boney, she is just petite, like 26 yrs old, she actually is a doll, and she will do BBBJ. When I saw her last she actually had her hair in pig tails, kind of funny. There was another really skinny girl named Georgia that used to be out there, she's on a break I guess you'd call it, she doesn't have her own phone but uses any phone she can borrow to call people. She is off fib with her family for about a month now, I expect to see her back, but she looks kind of run down now, I mean sure its expected right? But if you had seen her 3-4 years ago she was actually one you'd turn your head to see.
Hit all the area's mentioned previously on buford / jimmy carter and around, struck out, didn't see any girls in the mentioned areas, but as previously posted guess its hit and miss, did pass more massage parlors than I thought they could ever pack on one street though LOL.
[QUOTE=RenMan;2188554]I've recently started working in the FIB area, and while don't typically do the SW scene, I did have a brief chat with a fairly attractive WSW named Pebbles today. I'd pulled into McDs before jumping on I-20 to head home, and she walked right over and started to get into my car. I motioned her to driver's side, told her I wasn't looking for now but I might later. We chatted a minute. She seemed level headed enough for a SW, but she did try to get me to give her $5 so she could buy some McD or something. Whatever. I got her digits - (470 area code) and called later to verify it was real. Some thug sounding guy answered then gave the phone to her. I told her I might hit her up on payday, and that if she treats me right, I might become a regular since I work in that area.
Anyway, I wanted to check in with you guys. There were reports of a skinny brunette pyscho named Pebbles about a year ago. I don't think it's the same one though. This Pebbles was tall and well-built. Short red hair and friendly smile.
Any intel on her?[/QUOTE]I have had a similar experience with this SW. Definitely to be avoided!
I was driving up Glenwood this afternoon around 3:45 PM when a Dekalb County cruiser came flying up from behind and passed me. They turned into the no-tel two spots down from the Chevron. There was heavy law enforcement activity in the parking lot. Maybe 12 to 15 Dekalb County vehicles in the lot with lights ablaze. Not sure what exactly was going on, but it had the appearance of something major.
Was out and about on FIB 2 nights ago. Came across "hypnotic" WSW walking on wendall. Bigger girl, but not too big, pretty face. Told me to meet her at her room up past the airport. Total waste of time, went for a little of both for 40 total, ans CBJ was about 10 seconds, then she turns around, bends over and places her hand to help glide me in, but she tries the keep it in her hand technique. I tell her to move her hand, which she finally does, but as soon as we start, no joke, 5 seconds in, she is pulling away, telling me to hurry she has places to be. Tell her to shut up, but she won't. Finally call it a loss, and leave. Didn't want to make a scene as she has 2 other girls and 2 thugs in the area with her. If you see her, stay away.
When I left, I thought I had seen Karmen on wendall, so went by and she was there, 30 for a very good time, and recommend her. Be safe.
[QUOTE=TheGoodDoctor;2195584]I have had a similar experience with this SW. Definitely to be avoided![/QUOTE]Why'all convinced me. I deleted her digits. Damn, though. She looks pretty good for a SW.
Took a stroll down mary street. Ran into a slim BSW, very pretty and very nice body. She kinds put me off when I rolled down my window by asking what I wanted to do. She was very forward and I was trying to be discrete just in case she was LEO. Decided to partake so after circling the area I pulled in front of a house she was working out of. She greeted me and led me in. Paid the 10 $ to the nice grandmotherly figure lady who was celebrating her birthday. Gave 40 to keisha. She provided the rubber and started off with spirited CBJ, after about a minute of that she asked if I was ready and how I wanted her. I decided for doggy as I wanted to grab her narrow hips. She did not rush and was very vocal fake or not it sounded real.
After the deed was done I took down her number and gave a her hug and I left the house.
I did notice a slight musty smell on me afterwards but could not be noticed during the act, was not really the off putting stench that would make you cringe just a little sweat.
I would give her a 8/10 For great service, a friendly attitude and great looks. Total Damage 50.
I don't mind giving her digits to any trusted and credible member.
This is my first official report forgive me if I did something Incorrectly.
S+G.
[QUOTE=RenMan;2198894]Why'all convinced me. I deleted her digits. Damn, though. She looks pretty good for a SW.[/QUOTE]Well if you saw her undressed you might think differently. A year or so ago when she had longer hair she looked great but again maybe she had a kid who knows but her personality is still pretty scary. Sadly there haven't been as many SW's at all on fib lately, don't know why there are some regulars that walk out there but last week when I saw karma she said girl and monger traffic was really slow. I wouldn't give up. If you want the exact streets I weave around down off fib just pm me.
[QUOTE=ShadowGuy13;2198962]Took a stroll down mary street. Ran into a slim BSW, very pretty and very nice body. She kinds put me off when I rolled down my window by asking what I wanted to do. She was very forward and I was trying to be discrete just in case she was LEO. Decided to partake so after circling the area I pulled in front of a house she was working out of. She greeted me and led me in. Paid the 10 $ to the nice grandmotherly figure lady who was celebrating her birthday. Gave 40 to keisha. She provided the rubber and started off with spirited CBJ, after about a minute of that she asked if I was ready and how I wanted her. I decided for doggy as I wanted to grab her narrow hips. She did not rush and was very vocal fake or not it sounded real.
After the deed was done I took down her number and gave a her hug and I left the house.
I did notice a slight musty smell on me afterwards but could not be noticed during the act, was not really the off putting stench that would make you cringe just a little sweat.
I would give her a 8/10 For great service, a friendly attitude and great looks. Total Damage 50.
I don't mind giving her digits to any trusted and credible member.
This is my first official report forgive me if I did something Incorrectly.
S+G.[/QUOTE]Never, ever, never go into the house or notel room of someone you do not have a previous personal relationship with. Glad we didn't hear about you on the evening news. This could have gone bad quickly, as a few others will be sad to attest.
Back in the day I started at the TI but after several visits there I got scared. Then I graduated to the Skyview Hotel. Now after several years I'm planning a trip back to Hot 'Lanta but it looks like the Skyview has morphed into a Red Roof Inn? Can anyone tell me if indeed it is true and if so is the Red Roof a fun place like the Skyview was?
[QUOTE=GMalav;2201150]Back in the day I started at the TI but after several visits there I got scared. Then I graduated to the Skyview Hotel. Now after several years I'm planning a trip back to Hot 'Lanta but it looks like the Skyview has morphed into a Red Roof Inn? Can anyone tell me if indeed it is true and if so is the Red Roof a fun place like the Skyview was?[/QUOTE]The Skyview made the news and was shut down by the law. It reopened as the RedRoof, but I don't think it's a very fun place anymore.