More on the 'no tip' policy
@cpl
Not to flame you, old man, but where did you ever get the idea this was like a date? This is a service that you're buying, and they're selling. We live in a very F'd up society, where sex is the only thing or service you can legally have, legally give away, but cannot legally sell. This is why the sign out front says 'massage' not 'sex'.
Now in the case of this girl I was posting about, I paid for 2 legitimate services (a shave and an hour of massage) and was also looking for the third service (BJ/FS). She provided the shave, blatantly shorted me on the massage, and totally shut me down on the 3rd. WHAT exactly am I tipping FOR?
To put it a different way: Say you hire a man to clean up your yard. You tell him 'take an hour. Fill this trash can, pile up those rocks, and if you have time to stack these paint cans I'll give you a bonus'. So, he fills the trash can, moves one rock, and never touches the paint cans. And, after 40 minutes, he has the nerve to say "Hey, where's my bonus?" Are you going to give it to him? Didn't think so. These chicks aren't doing this because they're nymphos and you're the hottest thing to come down the pike. They do it because it's their job, it's how they make their living, and that's all. Everyone else is expected to do a decent job and provide good measure (even ex-Gov Roddy, can we say 'honest services'?) so why not these girls.
On a side note: How many of these women actually have massage licenses from the state of Illinois? Not many I'd bet, as I don't think they give the classes or the test in Chinese, Korean, or Spanish (OK, maybe Spanish). If you give a massage without a license it is a class A misdemeanor, and repeated offenses are a class 4 felony EXACTLY THE SAME as prostitution. So, pragmatically speaking, if you're going to bend the law anyway, isn't it better to be well-compensated for it than poorly compensated?
Massage Courses Offerred in Chinese Language
[QUOTE=Pna]@cpl
On a side note: How many of these women actually have massage licenses from the state of Illinois? Not many I'd bet, as I don't think they give the classes or the test in Chinese, Korean, or Spanish (OK, maybe Spanish). If you give a massage without a license it is a class A misdemeanor, and repeated offenses are a class 4 felony EXACTLY THE SAME as prostitution. So, pragmatically speaking, if you're going to bend the law anyway, isn't it better to be well-compensated for it than poorly compensated?[/QUOTE]
Many Chinese girls have trouble passing the massage license courses or test in Illinois due to language difficulties. That's why a number of them go to California where they can take the courses and test in Chinese.
A former MT from the (now gone) Jason and Li's MP in CT Mall explained this to me. I am not sure about other languages offered in California, but the Chinese language offer is certainly a draw. Its a win-win for California, as the girls have to take a long series of classes involving living there and temporarilly spending into the the local economy for Arnold.
It's at Division and Rockwell
[QUOTE=Drew Carr]Where is KM located.
Wouldn't mind trying it out.[/QUOTE]
It's at Division and Rockwell
Tipping - a different look at it
If you go to legit places with any idea of finding extras from your favorite hotties, then being generous is one very good way to get them to notice you and possibly consider how they could earn even more. Of course, there are those that never put out, and I respect their decision (they will usually tell you matter-of-factly if you pursue it). But you would be surprised at the number and quality of what I have experienced over the last 5 years by being generous for good jobs. For crappy massages I still leave something, but usually also tell them the reason for my donation.
It's still a service industry, not unlike waiters and waitresses, where the provider's income is substantially based on tips. And it is a lot harder to have to suck your dick than to deliver you some eggs and toast:-) If the provider is nice, tries hard, and gives good service, my opinion is to tip no matter what.
[QUOTE=Vazooli]Must agree with FBlaster. No tip for just a massage. And for a GREAT massage, .10
Vazooli[/QUOTE]
To tip or not to tip? WTF?
You guys are debating about whether to tip or not? If the masseuse says at the start that there are no extras or that the massage is covered. Here's what you should do. Get up, request your money back, and walk out (or ask for a different masseuse)! The question is NOT whether to tip, but whether to patronize that masseuse at all. If you patronize them, you are encouraging this foolishness.
Put this in pespective. A masseuse says to you, "Yes, I do give full-body massages, but I won't massage your left arm. Sorry I just don't do that". Would you respond "ok, but no tip."? No! You would say, "sure, no problem. BTW, the door is over there on the left, don't let it hit you on the way out".
HR should not elicit any different reaction. If they advertise full body massage, then you should receive a full body massage. If they're uncomfortable giving massages then they should find a different line of work.
QnQ Spa (also knows as Star Massage
I'm new to forum, so not expecting a lot of feedback, but was wondering about QnQ (storefront says "Star Massage") on Ashland hear North Ave. Obviously looking for a bit more than a massage, so any tips, feedback is welcome.
Thanks