RE: Bijou / Ally (Alley?)
[QUOTE= Maxman99]Hey, I can't fault the girl for tryin' to make a move up off the ave. Things can be pretty shitty for the girls out there you know. Hopefully when a SW makes the jump to BP / Escort she still remembers the nicer mongers who gave her a fair tip with no drama and then gives you a break. Yeah, sounds corny I know.[/QUOTE]You were ahead in the count Maxman in your initial comment about it being "pretty shitty" for a girl working the Ave and you can't fault a girl for wanting to "move up. " The better looking ones who aren't hooked on drugs are eventually going to find more attractive alternatives for peddling their wares. However, it isn't likely a girl is going to remember and give a break to the "nicer mongers" who gave her fair compensation and no drama if and when she moves uptown to BP or CL. However, she would be well served to do so. The people we meet on the way up a ladder to the top are going to be the same people we will see if we have to climb back down that same ladder. And, many of these girls who have tried the internet recognize that it too has its pitfalls, and wind up doing some business on the Ave. A girl can discount her services 2/3 from BP or CL rates and still do comparably well on the Ave, given the percentage of no-shows on line. Yes, she then has to contend with all the bullshit on the K, but she also has more control of the dates she decides to accept.
Self-Fulfilling Prophecy?
[QUOTE=Supereloquent; 1075363]I have heard an abandonment story from just about every SW I ever dated,
I took a girl to the Carlyle once named Chrissy who was so concerned that I would take off without her that she wouldn't even leave the room to go to the bathroom, and squatted over the trash can to take a piss. I came very close to letting her there just to teach her a lesson. [/QUOTE]I think these girls that do stuff like this end up creating the very situation they do not want to encounter: Self-Fulfilling Prophecy. The paranoia obviously comes from a bad experience, however, telegraphing that bad experience to a date demonstrates you are / have been a victim, which I believe helps marginal mongers justify less than stellar behavior. I dunno, I get the impression talking to ladies that a lot of guys look down on these girls and think that just because they peddle p*ssy they are garbage and should be treated as less than human. Give them the idea of how to degrade or treat them badly, and they'll follow the lead. Ala "She's just a wh*re, so I'm not hurting anyone. The wh*re can find her own way back to her corner. Hell, I already paid her. "
Then again, I understand the irritation a girl can bring and the level of such that, like you, leaves one thinking about fulfilling her fears. Recently I had one gal who kept asking the rate I was going to pay her. Well after the initial negotiations had been settled, and the question answered a half-dozen times prior and assurances made. There sure was a thought of shorting her and telling her the deduction was for the constant nagging. But alas, I'm not a cheat.
So interesting psychology at work here.
Probably something that should go into the training sessions a The SE University of Street Walking?
RE: Self-Fulfilling Prophecy?
[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love;1075418]I think these girls that do stuff like this end up creating the very situation they do not want to encounter: Self-Fulfilling Prophecy. The paranoia obviously comes from a bad experience, however, telegraphing that bad experience to a date demonstrates you are / have been a victim, which I believe helps marginal mongers justify less than stellar behavior.[/QUOTE]I somewhat disagree. Some SWs are just PITAs and ball busters, or natural victims. Some mongers are either good or bad depending upon one's standard of measurement. And, each of us thinks our particular standards are the right ones. Both mongers and SWs can be nice people or total assholes. But I don't think behavior is necessarily invited. Some SWs would treat any date like a mark or a sucker and some mongers would treat every SW like crap. I somehow can't think that either would treat some mongers or SWs far better than others. It just isn't the way most of us are. Most of us tend to be a certain way and treat people a certain way, within certain limits. Don't we?
[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love] I dunno, I get the impression talking to ladies that a lot of guys look down on these girls and think that just because they peddle p*ssy they are garbage and should be treated as less than human. Give them the idea of how to degrade or treat them badly, and they'll follow the lead. Ala "She's just a wh*re, so I'm not hurting anyone. The wh*re can find her own way back to her corner. Hell, I already paid her. "[/QUOTE]My impression is the same. However, I don't think mongers only treat SWs badly on a basis of whether they "invite" it or not. I have tolerated bad behavior by SWs and my response has been to give them the bad PR they deserve, and not patronize them again. Given the lives these girls lead it is nothing short of amazing that only a few of them fit this category. I think for some mongers, treating SWs badly is just what they do.
[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love]Then again, I understand the irritation a girl can bring and the level of such that, like you, leaves one thinking about fulfilling her fears. Recently I had one gal who kept asking the rate I was going to pay her. Well after the initial negotiations had been settled, and the question answered a half-dozen times prior and assurances made. There sure was a thought of shorting her and telling her the deduction was for the constant nagging. But alas, I'm not a cheat.[/QUOTE]You are proof of my points. Even though you were very irritated, you didn't cheat the girl. And, my guess is that you wouldn't have left her stranded somewhere either. Some guys wouldn't require much incentive, if any at all, to do that.
[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love]So interesting psychology at work here.[/QUOTE]I keep thinking about something a wise old friend of mine always used to say: people are going to do what they are going to do. Sometimes, psychology isn't as complicated as we might think. :D.
[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love]Probably something that should go into the training sessions a The SE University of Street Walking?[/QUOTE]I don't think that "training" changes much who a person is, but I am sure the military would heartily disagree that it can't modify one's behavior. As with many things, some are more easily trained than others.
