Stupid Shit In San Diego

[QUOTE=MaximusKahn;6176345]I've watched lots of guys do the walk of shame that it's obvious when you see it. I know this doesn't apply to all mongers who hobby, or which method you choose to hobby, but it seems to apply more to those who enjoy the AMP experience. And I think much of this is because our AMPs are often in very open, public, and popular business areas.

Obviously there are some family men, and men who have a significant other who really prefer their participation in this hobby to remain a secret for all time. Sure, you have to watch out who might see you, and it's best to choose your times and locations wisely, but nobody has to do the walk of shame. Even the new guys coming into the hobby, can learn to avoid doing it.

I've seen so many mongers look so guilty, entering or exiting a spa, or sitting in the lobby waiting like a chastised boy avoiding eye contact and trying to be invisible. More than one monger has noted the uncomfortable, and awkward, waiting time.

You can spot the guys who display a guilty mind set just by watching the parking lot. If you don't believe me, find a popular spa near a bar, and sit at the bar and watch. I sometimes grab a beer after a good massage and just people watch. Some guys will stroll so slow you know where they're pretending they are not going. Other guys will dash across the parking lot just short of a run trying to duck in unseen, but you can guess from their speed and trajectory where they are going. I've seen guys change course in mid step if they run into a guy going in or leaving a spa they are heading to. They suddenly making a sharp left or right, and some have even just stopped in their tracks looking completely lost. In each of these case it's their guilt ridden actions that drew my attention.[/QUOTE]This is hilarious LOL. I literally give zero fucks. I park right in front of 108 and walk like 5-7 steps and I'm in. Never ran into other mongers while inside though. Always imagined I would just strike up some conversation. Who they're here to see or if they are on USASG. When I leave I usually leave with a big smile on my face, crack open the little water bottle they gave me and drink it before I get in the car.

[QUOTE=MaximusKahn;6176345]I've watched lots of guys do the walk of shame that it's obvious when you see it. I know this doesn't apply to all mongers who hobby, or which method you choose to hobby, but it seems to apply more to those who enjoy the AMP experience. And I think much of this is because our AMPs are often in very open, public, and popular business areas.

Obviously there are some family men, and men who have a significant other who really prefer their participation in this hobby to remain a secret for all time. Sure, you have to watch out who might see you, and it's best to choose your times and locations wisely, but nobody has to do the walk of shame. Even the new guys coming into the hobby, can learn to avoid doing it.

I've seen so many mongers look so guilty, entering or exiting a spa, or sitting in the lobby waiting like a chastised boy avoiding eye contact and trying to be invisible. More than one monger has noted the uncomfortable, and awkward, waiting time.

You can spot the guys who display a guilty mind set just by watching the parking lot. If you don't believe me, find a popular spa near a bar, and sit at the bar and watch. I sometimes grab a beer after a good massage and just people watch. Some guys will stroll so slow you know where they're pretending they are not going. Other guys will dash across the parking lot just short of a run trying to duck in unseen, but you can guess from their speed and trajectory where they are going. I've seen guys change course in mid step if they run into a guy going in or leaving a spa they are heading to. They suddenly making a sharp left or right, and some have even just stopped in their tracks looking completely lost. In each of these case it's their guilt ridden actions that drew my attention.

The guilty usually have their heads down, eyes locked low, shoulders forward, and try to not see anyone as if that means nobody will see them. The hats and sun glasses, and masks are convenient, but if you're behaving like someone with a guilty conscience they might help you avoid being easily recognized, but they won't keep you from being noticed and looking guilty of something. And if everyone walks in with a hat, shades and masks that almost unto itself looks suspicious. Especially on cloudy days, and when masks are not required. If you look like you're wearing a disguise, it will look like you are wearing a disguise.[/QUOTE]This was a great read. I'm more of an FBSM guy and also do the occasional AMP and have run into someone I knew (I posted that quite some time back). It reminds me of a scene from a movie I saw where two characters are playing hooky from work and rowing a boat in Central Park and one says to the other, "What if someone from work sees me here. " The other replies, "What are you worried about, if he's here, he's playing hooky too!" That's the way I feel. When they see me, I also see them. The more natural you act the less people notice you. BTW, I wish I could recall the movie. LMK if anyone recalls that scene.

[QUOTE=Dudeonthecouch;6171704]We have a CSI among us. There is a thread about local pornstars, so I shared that I was in contact with Christy Love prior to her porn career and shared her seeking profile. I commented about another poster overpaying for her and you call that shilling? I was upset and shocked at how much he overpaid.

Go get laid man, you clearly have a lot of pent up anger.[/QUOTE]So easy to spot the shill.

[QUOTE=DeadAzz;6176501]This is hilarious LOL. I literally give zero fucks. I park right in front of 108 and walk like 5-7 steps and I'm in. Never ran into other mongers while inside though. Always imagined I would just strike up some conversation. Who they're here to see or if they are on USASG. When I leave I usually leave with a big smile on my face, crack open the little water bottle they gave me and drink it before I get in the car.[/QUOTE]Literally, "ZERO FUCKS!" < +1.

I always park right in the very front like I own the gosh damn place! I really could care less who I run into at any of these places,. WE ALL KNOW, the only reason why, we're there!

I just wanted to say, DeadAzz- that I really so many of your posts while I was away and out of State for the past 2 1/2 months. Thank you, for keeping me so entertained!

[QUOTE=PoonTangJohnny;6177506]Literally, "ZERO FUCKS!" < +1.

I always park right in the very front like I own the gosh damn place! I really could care less who I run into at any of these places,. WE ALL KNOW, the only reason why, we're there!

I just wanted to say, DeadAzz- that I really so many of your posts while I was away and out of State for the past 2 1/2 months. Thank you, for keeping me so entertained![/QUOTE]Hahaha that's the way to do it! Glad you enjoyed my posts during your break! I'm kind of on something of a break myself. Trying to cut down and build up my discretionary funds supply so posts won't be as frequent. But I did post a long report just now so that should be up later today hopefully!

That is funny!

I stopped by to see a buddy at the bar down on Mission Gorge with my wife last month. The only empty parking spot was right in front of Moon Spa so I pulled in and mentioned to the wife "everybody is going to think we are stopping in for a couple's happy ending". She laughed and said well at least they are thinking we are going to have fun. LOL.

When we did see my friend he said "Hey, I thought you guys were going for a rub and tug". LOL.

[QUOTE=DeadAzz;6179077]Hahaha that's the way to do it! Glad you enjoyed my posts during your break! I'm kind of on something of a break myself. Trying to cut down and build up my discretionary funds supply so posts won't be as frequent. But I did post a long report just now so that should be up later today hopefully![/QUOTE]

Speaking of holding your head up high -.

When your friends or anyone else asks you about your body count, do you tell them the TRUTH-truth? On the rare occasions it comes up I share my civilian number. I don't think I could give the real number (some innumerable amount of AMP / massage girls) without having to explain it. A lot of us on here are probably into the triple digits by now. Most people close to me in my life have no idea.

[QUOTE=Waylay;6184628]Speaking of holding your head up high -.

When your friends or anyone else asks you about your body count, do you tell them the TRUTH-truth? On the rare occasions it comes up I share my civilian number. I don't think I could give the real number (some innumerable amount of AMP / massage girls) without having to explain it. A lot of us on here are probably into the triple digits by now. Most people close to me in my life have no idea.[/QUOTE]I met a possible unicorn at a non FS AMP a couple weekends ago when I was back home and she asked me how many girls I've been with. LOL. I could not give her a number that was even close to the real number. She was new to the spa I visited and I think she was trying to figure out if I had been with any of the other girls that work there. Yeah, I don't think I can ever tell the truth. Even my best friends have no idea.

[QUOTE=RChangDatyKing;6184683]I met a possible unicorn at a non FS AMP a couple weekends ago when I was back home and she asked me how many girls I've been with. LOL. I could not give her a number that was even close to the real number. She was new to the spa I visited and I think she was trying to figure out if I had been with any of the other girls that work there. Yeah, I don't think I can ever tell the truth. Even my best friends have no idea.[/QUOTE]I don't even remember the civilian number LOL. I've been doing this shit for 22 years and I depend 2007 to 2010 in TJ at least once a week but on occasions I would go 4 times a week. My conservative estimate on the total number is between 250 and 300. Could be more.

YIKES.

CC.

[QUOTE=Waylay;6184628]Speaking of holding your head up high -.

When your friends or anyone else asks you about your body count, do you tell them the TRUTH-truth? On the rare occasions it comes up I share my civilian number. I don't think I could give the real number (some innumerable amount of AMP / massage girls) without having to explain it. A lot of us on here are probably into the triple digits by now. Most people close to me in my life have no idea.[/QUOTE]Nobody in my personal life knows a thing so I give my civilian number which before this year it was around 13 with around 4 or 5 TJ girls mixed in when I went to Adelitas a couple times back in 2005. Then 2013 I took a solo trip to the Philippines and in 10 days picked up 6 chicks, some working girls and some just picked up because it was that easy. Banged one hooker in Vietnam in 2016 and been clean until this year. It's been 10 months and my number has skyrocketed since I started mongering and especially at the pace that I'd been doing it. I'm not in the triple digits yet but I'm so close. Currently at 92! I can't even imagine myself saying that number to even my best friend without having to explain it.

[QUOTE=CobraComander;6184707]I don't even remember the civilian number LOL. I've been doing this shit for 22 years and I depend 2007 to 2010 in TJ at least once a week but on occasions I would go 4 times a week. My conservative estimate on the total number is between 250 and 300. Could be more.

YIKES.

CC.[/QUOTE]Right there with you, CC. I'm approaching my 20 years anniversary of hobbying. LOL.

Yes, I can't remember my college days, grad school and adulthood body counts either. All the college parties and girls coming to our campus apartments when there were beers.

I don't count my drinks or the number of women I've been with. If anyone asks I say I don't know and mean it. Civilian or otherwise.

[QUOTE=DeadAzz;6184789]Nobody in my personal life knows a thing so I give my civilian number which before this year it was around 13 with around 4 or 5 TJ girls mixed in when I went to Adelitas a couple times back in 2005. Then 2013 I took a solo trip to the Philippines and in 10 days picked up 6 chicks, some working girls and some just picked up because it was that easy. Banged one hooker in Vietnam in 2016 and been clean until this year. It's been 10 months and my number has skyrocketed since I started mongering and especially at the pace that I'd been doing it. I'm not in the triple digits yet but I'm so close. Currently at 92! I can't even imagine myself saying that number to even my best friend without having to explain it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Waylay;6184628]Speaking of holding your head up high -.

When your friends or anyone else asks you about your body count, do you tell them the TRUTH-truth? On the rare occasions it comes up I share my civilian number. I don't think I could give the real number (some innumerable amount of AMP / massage girls) without having to explain it. A lot of us on here are probably into the triple digits by now. Most people close to me in my life have no idea.[/QUOTE]Sometimes way late at night when I can't sleep, I try to come up with a number of either civilians or pros. It's a hell of a lot better memory than counting sheep. I don't think I've ever gotten close on either side. Maybe one day I'll set up a spreadsheet hidden away somewhere for when I have those sudden memory flashes. But probably not.

[QUOTE=DeadAzz;6179077]Hahaha that's the way to do it! Glad you enjoyed my posts during your break! I'm kind of on something of a break myself. Trying to cut down and build up my discretionary funds supply so posts won't be as frequent. But I did post a long report just now so that should be up later today hopefully![/QUOTE]Once in AZ, I was getting a BBBJ and for some reason she didn't shut the door and a monger walked by. The look on his face was priceless. I also bumped into other mongers several times and remember once saying, "This place is awesome!

If I had game and money.

Anyone up for the challenge?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GnTgEHjFpQ&t=87s[/URL]

From an article:

Possible? Absolutely. The man lived to be 63. Given that he apparently was very shy as a teenager, let's go with the very conservative assumption that he was only sexually active starting in 1958 when he joined the Harlem Globetrotters. He would have been 22. If we again conservatively assume that he stopped at the age of 50, this gives us a 28-year-long time span.

If he had sex with 2 women per day.

20,000 women ÷ 2 women / day ÷ 365 days / year = 27.4 years.

If you tweak the time span or the number of women per day (based on the fact that he was known to be something of an insomniac), then the notion that he accomplished such sexual promiscuity gains some more credibility.

A quote from Wilt himself in the final year of his life: "With all of you men out there who think that having a thousand different ladies is pretty cool, I have learned in my life I've found out that having one woman a thousand different times is much more satisfying. " (link: [URL]http://static.espn.go.com/nba/news/1999/1012/110905.html[/URL]).

I kinda wish I knew my mongering number. I lost count before I even hit 20. I would probably guess in the 125-150 range but who knows 🤷*♂️

I'm sure Hugh Hefner has a pretty good tally. He was doing models and Hollywood actresses and very open about all his fun.

As for us, are we're counting different women or the number of times we've had sex? I'm sure many of us have sex with the same woman multiple times.

Are we counting blow jobs and hand jobs too?

Civilian and professional encounters?

Does swinging, swapping, sharing, and college orgies count too?

Are we counting the not so pretty ones we never told anyone about?

If everything counts, I lost count long ago.

[QUOTE=ReyKittyHawk;6187392]I'm sure Hugh Hefner has a pretty good tally. He was doing models and Hollywood actresses and very open about all his fun.

As for us, are we're counting different women or the number of times we've had sex? I'm sure many of us have sex with the same woman multiple times.

Are we counting blow jobs and hand jobs too?

Civilian and professional encounters?

Does swinging, swapping, sharing, and college orgies count too?

Are we counting the not so pretty ones we never told anyone about?

If everything counts, I lost count long ago.[/QUOTE]I think different women should be the requirement. , Example You can see multiple movies, and but watching a favorite title more than once, counts as 1.

My. 02 cents.

[QUOTE=DrPornDawger;6185822]If I had game and money.

Anyone up for the challenge?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GnTgEHjFpQ&t=87s[/URL]

From an article:

Possible? Absolutely. The man lived to be 63. Given that he apparently was very shy as a teenager, let's go with the very conservative assumption that he was only sexually active starting in 1958 when he joined the Harlem Globetrotters. He would have been 22. If we again conservatively assume that he stopped at the age of 50, this gives us a 28-year-long time span.

If he had sex with 2 women per day.

20,000 women 2 women / day 365 days / year = 27.4 years.

If you tweak the time span or the number of women per day (based on the fact that he was known to be something of an insomniac), then the notion that he accomplished such sexual promiscuity gains some more credibility.

A quote from Wilt himself in the final year of his life: "With all of you men out there who think that having a thousand different ladies is pretty cool, I have learned in my life I've found out that having one woman a thousand different times is much more satisfying. " (link: [URL]http://static.espn.go.com/nba/news/1999/1012/110905.html[/URL]).[/QUOTE]There's a pretty good chance Genghis Khan had Wilt beat.

[QUOTE=DrPornDawger;6187491]I think different women should be the requirement. , Example You can see multiple movies, and but watching a favorite title more than once, counts as 1.

My. 02 cents.[/QUOTE]Different women is the rule for sure.

[QUOTE=ReyKittyHawk;6187392]I'm sure Hugh Hefner has a pretty good tally. He was doing models and Hollywood actresses and very open about all his fun.

As for us, are we're counting different women or the number of times we've had sex? I'm sure many of us have sex with the same woman multiple times.

Are we counting blow jobs and hand jobs too?

Civilian and professional encounters?

Does swinging, swapping, sharing, and college orgies count too?

Are we counting the not so pretty ones we never told anyone about?

If everything counts, I lost count long ago.[/QUOTE]I count any pussy or ass I stuck my dick inside of. Even if I didn't bust a nut. I don't count handjobs or blowjobs. I don't count the times I got with a girl but couldn't get it up or only got the tip in before it went soft. Different women for sure. Threesomes would count as 2 if I stick both of them. Only blowjob I really count in mine is old lady Lindsey in Point Loma because even though I didn't fuck her I was fucking her face hard like a pussy.

Someone who partakes in the this forum broke the 1st and 2nd rules of fight club! Whoever it was I hope karma fucks you real good.

[QUOTE=UCBaja2;6188146]Someone who partakes in the this forum broke the 1st and 2nd rules of fight club! Whoever it was I hope karma fucks you real good.[/QUOTE]What happened?

[QUOTE=DeadAzz;6188422]What happened?[/QUOTE]I'm guessing someone showed a provider a review about her here.

So someone talked?

[QUOTE=UCBaja2;6188146]Someone who partakes in the this forum broke the 1st and 2nd rules of fight club! Whoever it was I hope karma fucks you real good.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Waylay;6189099]I'm guessing someone showed a provider a review about her here.[/QUOTE]Not hard to get an account here and browse the review area.

[QUOTE=TrustyHairlip;6189380]Not hard to get an account here and browse the review area.[/QUOTE]Yeah agreed. Tbh I don't know what the original poster is talking about re: fight club, was just guessing.

[QUOTE=TrustyHairlip;6189380]Not hard to get an account here and browse the review area.[/QUOTE]You don't even have to have an account to just read.

[QUOTE=Waylay;6189099]I'm guessing someone showed a provider a review about her here.[/QUOTE]This is exactly what happened. She was pissed off! It is easy to read these threads but there's no way she found it without someone showing her. This is our fight club guys!

1st RULE: You do not talk about FIGHT CLUB. 2nd RULE: You DO NOT talk about FIGHT CLUB.

[QUOTE=UCBaja2;6189729]This is exactly what happened. She was pissed off! It is easy to read these threads but there's no way she found it without someone showing her. This is our fight club guys!

1st RULE: You do not talk about FIGHT CLUB. 2nd RULE: You DO NOT talk about FIGHT CLUB.[/QUOTE]She'll get over it. No reason for her to take it out on you.

[QUOTE=UCBaja2;6189729]This is exactly what happened. She was pissed off! It is easy to read these threads but there's no way she found it without someone showing her. This is our fight club guys!

1st RULE: You do not talk about FIGHT CLUB. 2nd RULE: You DO NOT talk about FIGHT CLUB.[/QUOTE]Who was the provider? Hoping it's not one of the ones I've seen and reviewed on here LOL. But there are a lot of providers who know about it already. Sex workers and even mongers on Reddit talk so much shit about this forum all the time and get super worked up about it.

[QUOTE=DeadAzz;6189812]Who was the provider? Hoping it's not one of the ones I've seen and reviewed on here LOL. But there are a lot of providers who know about it already. Sex workers and even mongers on Reddit talk so much shit about this forum all the time and get super worked up about it.[/QUOTE]Don't want to say publicly. Tried to PM you but your PM is full.

[QUOTE=UCBaja2;6189729]This is exactly what happened. She was pissed off! It is easy to read these threads but there's no way she found it without someone showing her. This is our fight club guys!

1st RULE: You do not talk about FIGHT CLUB. 2nd RULE: You DO NOT talk about FIGHT CLUB.[/QUOTE]We know providers, spa owners, pimps, MMS / PPS read the forum and mongers telling providers they saw a review so they booked with her. It's the dbags that uses the reviews to pressure the providers into doing services that she's declined to them before, showing her the post (s) that she has offered the services. If the provider is not offering you certain services is because she doesn't want to. Don't use a monger's post to try pressuring her!

Even thought I agree we should not talk about "fight club" with the professionals, there is little chance they would not know about it if they've been in the business for any length of time.

And just like how they all talk about us mongers, they have to know we talk about them.

But it is up to us to post wisely, not to ruin a good thing, or share secrets better kept a while.

Did she object to the fact a post existed? Or was it the content of the post? Or both?

[QUOTE=RChangDatyKing;6190457]We know providers, spa owners, pimps, MMS / PPS read the forum and mongers telling providers they saw a review so they booked with her. It's the dbags that uses the reviews to pressure the providers into doing services that she's declined to them before, showing her the post (s) that she has offered the services. If the provider is not offering you certain services is because she doesn't want to. Don't use a monger's post to try pressuring her![/QUOTE]Exactly right, amigo. I've been in the position where a provider isn't offering me what she offered one or some of you guys. I don't like it but I know showing her some post isn't going to change her mind. Jealous behavior never looks good.

[QUOTE=BillyLowli;6198975]I have to give a big warning, I forgot to leave my wallet in the car and when I got dressed it wasn't in my pants. It wasn't below them either so it didn't fall out. When I said it was missing everybody suddenly acted stupid. I'm not 100% sure but I think maybe somebody took it.

[blue]This report may have been edited to show the fucking shills
Thank you to all the guys who did. These fucking shills need to figure out that the game has changed, people really hate them.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]I was actually there in the adjacent room when this all went down! I could literally hear this shill screaming, hysterically, at the top of his lungs: "MY WALLETS GONE. MY WALLETS GONE! LOL.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajmdnSKL5vM[/URL]

And thank you once again A2, and welcome as well.

The white knights / shills on rubmaps are a surprising breed. Wish admins there would take similar action as this FREE site.

Left an honest review for 108 - similar to a review I posted here a month or so back. Within 5 minutes of the review going live (it takes several hours for them to be approved and show on the site), multiple people marked it as "fake" and "not good" and someone even commentating that a review that is a month old is useless while hiding behind a private profile.

It's becoming kinda pathetic that I can recognize usernames of a website that reviews parlors that give handjobs LOL and this gave me sort of an epiphany that I am emotionally investing myself in the hobby more than I should. Of course I recognize contributors on this forum that I've been reading from for years and I can't thank y'all enough for that. But the fact that I'm recognizing trolls / shills / obvious simps is kind of a wakeup call for me like "WTF are you doing with your life" - and makes me feel even worst for those people that are constantly refreshing both sites to defend their favorite parlor as if we are insulting their mother.

It's not like I left a bad review. I gave 4 out of 5 stars! And because I didn't leave a perfect review, these white knights and shills jump on it immediately calling my review fake and useless.

I've had amazing times at 108, but what is another 5 star review of a provider that's been reviewed multiple times going to do? For places as popular as this I'd rather contribute something that might be helpful. I did not discourage anyone from going, just providing additional info from MY perspective so whoever reading can make an informed decision for themselves.

When you check yelp reviews before going to a restaurant, do you only look at the 5 star reviews? Don't you also take a look at some of the 2-4 star reviews just to see what they were about so you can make a decision?

There are currently OVER 620 REVIEWS for ocean with an average rating of what looks like more than 4. 5 out of 5 stars.

Let the reviews speak for themselves. We all know they provide great service most of the time. The handful of people that are always defending the place as if their life depended on it are really sad and ruin the purpose of sites like this and rmaps so if you are one of those people and reading this, take a long hard look in the mirror and ask yourself if you are actually helping out your fellow mongers or if you're just being a mouthpiece for pussy that you are paying for.

Some guys Shill because they are a part of the business, or are asked to report positive things by the MMS, owners, or even the providers. They may even be paid or compensated.

A shill may also just be a regular, who likes the Spa or provider and wants to let everyone know how great they are but in exaggerated posts.

Still a shill may be "in love" and have delusions that the providers are "in love" back. Their romantic delusions make them emotional about negative reports and can trigger emotional responses.

No matter, I'm glad Admin is on it to remove as many shill accounts as they can.

Let's get back to sharing honest intel, good, bad, or ugly and always, always keep in mind there are many factors that go into how good or bad a visit is. In all cases your mileage may vary, live with it.

[QUOTE=MaximusKahn;6210316]Some guys Shill because they are a part of the business, or are asked to report positive things by the MMS, owners, or even the providers. They may even be paid or compensated.

A shill may also just be a regular, who likes the Spa or provider and wants to let everyone know how great they are but in exaggerated posts.

Still a shill may be "in love" and have delusions that the providers are "in love" back. Their romantic delusions make them emotional about negative reports and can trigger emotional responses.

No matter, I'm glad Admin is on it to remove as many shill accounts as they can.

Let's get back to sharing honest intel, good, bad, or ugly and always, always keep in mind there are many factors that go into how good or bad a visit is. In all cases your mileage may vary, live with it.[/QUOTE]Yup just got a PM from a shill on Humaniplex. One of the bookers is lurking on here and said he saw my posts and banned me from seeing their girls and then negatively rated me.

Similar thing happened to me on HX. Now I leave a discreet time between visit and review and I never comment in the private clubs over there about negative experiences. Some are owned by bookers or management and are basically advertizing forums. Its hilarious to see the entitled attitudes of some bookers who tell us we should be grateful for sub par performance. Just keep paying and someone good might come along. The rule of thumb is keep your profile here undetectable and never let them know who you are. HX is a problem for honest reviewers because of the rating and verification system that's built into the site. I never rely on it much these days.

[QUOTE=DeadAzz;6210629]Yup just got a PM from a shill on Humaniplex. One of the bookers is lurking on here and said he saw my posts and banned me from seeing their girls and then negatively rated me.[/QUOTE]