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[QUOTE=TheOuroboros;7184954]Lmao. I guess that's one way to interpret it tho.
Ill PM you the real story because she actively checks the board and Im not going to out myself as they have told me they are already seeking legal litigation on the culprit[/QUOTE]How the fuck will any of this hold up in court? How can she prove that said monger was taking about her and how can she proves who he is per his alias name and real name? Is there something here I'm missing?
If I go to a business and the receptionist berates me, do I not have the right to go on yelp and write about it?
Pretty sure that's a basic customer right. And while this biz is illegal, that does not give booker license to be an asshole to customers.
Move on as in shut up and not tell anyone? Isn't this what forums like these are for? To publicly tell others about biz?
Why wouldn't you want as many customers as possible to know about the mistreatment?
[QUOTE=Azf06;7434886]Only a couple people seem to have noticed, but it was OP who broke the trust first and threatened to post the whole conversation public. And it was after that, that the agency supposedly made a threat. It wasn't over the minor scheduling issue. Agency was supposedly berating him over that but no threats.
Both parties are wrong. OP should have just blocked and moved on if he thought he was mistreated. Agency should have blocked and moved on once OP made his threat.
Some of why'all are wild af tho. LOL.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RocketManP;7435149]If I go to a business and the receptionist berates me, do I not have the right to go on yelp and write about it?
Pretty sure that's a basic customer right. And while this biz is illegal, that does not give booker license to be an asshole to customers.
Move on as in shut up and not tell anyone? Isn't this what forums like these are for? To publicly tell others about biz?
Why wouldn't you want as many customers as possible to know about the mistreatment?[/QUOTE]I understand what you're saying, and I think that some people are contrarian or oddly empathize with ATM as they may run a business? Like some of the arguments going on in the other thread, I don't agree with the angle of "you made a private conversation public". That's really odd considering the purpose of this site.
I think where OP went wrong is announcing to ATM that they are going to post about it. That does nothing but antagonize and escalate the whole thing since it's like a form of blackmail. What do you think is going to happen by telling them you're going to post it? They're going to say sorry and change? No, they also effed up and retaliated with their form of blackmail.
If I had to point fingers as to who is in the wrong more, it would be ATM due to the gravity of the information they threatened and they have way more to lose in the form of trust / reputation. But again, while I don't think it's wrong to have shared this, it's a terrible move to point it out to the booker that you're going to critique them directly. It's way different than complaining to them about a girl.
Did I say that? LOL.
I'm assuming we are all adults making big boy decisions. And at the end of the day, you can do whatever you want to do. But what is the point of announcing it?
If a receptionist is berating me because I'm retarded, I go: "Sorry, this ain't going to work out. " And I'll take my leave, spend my money elsewhere, and post my rant on Google, Facebook, Yelp, and Corporate Office.
What are your expectations if you are threatening to make the conversation public? Change of heart / attitude? Discounts? Freebies? Nonsense. Have some self respect.
[QUOTE=RocketManP;7435149]If I go to a business and the receptionist berates me, do I not have the right to go on yelp and write about it?
Pretty sure that's a basic customer right. And while this biz is illegal, that does not give booker license to be an asshole to customers.
Move on as in shut up and not tell anyone? Isn't this what forums like these are for? To publicly tell others about biz?
Why wouldn't you want as many customers as possible to know about the mistreatment?[/QUOTE]
Again, the conflict happened. And the Booker threatened to out his pii info. For many mongers, outing pii info means a ruined life. A ruined career and / or family.
If the Booker resorts to that in a verbal conflict, this is a big problem. How many more times would the boomer resort to that threat?
I don't agree about announcing being a threat, but for arguments sake let's say it is.
So the receptionist berated me, I say okay I will write a bad review and then receptionist takes out a shank or a gun and says okay I will ruin your life.
? How is this acceptable? The pii info supposed to be sacred and only exposed in case of a guy being dangerous. This is just power abuse. You don't want truth to be exposed publicly? Well how about treat monger with respect. If you didn't berate him he would have nothing to say! So you threaten to ruin his life over him publicly stating truth?
People are too caught up in analyzing how to avoid conflict or what the guy has done wrong, to justify what the Booker has done wrong.
I know for sure, that if roles were reversed and the monger would threaten to ruin a girls life, or threatened violence, he'd be blacklisted immediately. No one would care what the Booker did wrong or how the conflict arose. And they'd be right.
So how come the threat of ruined monger life is being taken so lightly? Just because they sell pussy ther life is worth more?
[QUOTE=Konichi1;7435263]I understand what you're saying, and I think that some people are contrarian or oddly empathize with ATM as they may run a business? Like some of the arguments going on in the other thread, I don't agree with the angle of "you made a private converslllllation public". That's really odd considering the purpose of this site.
I think where OP went wrong is announcing to ATM that they are going to post about it. That does nothing but antagonize and escalate the whole thing since it's like a form of blackmail. What do you think is going to happen by telling them you're going to post it? They're going to say sorry and change? No, they also effed up and retaliated with their form of blackmail.
If I had to point fingers as to who is in the wrong more, it would be ATM due to the gravity of the information they threatened and they have way more to lose in the form of trust / reputation. But again, while I don't think it's wrong to have shared this, it's a terrible move to point it out to the booker that you're going to critique them directly. It's way different than complaining to them about a girl.[/QUOTE]
Making decisions with their little head instead of their big head.
[QUOTE=MikeWhiskey;7435544]Exactly why you shouldn't hand over your pii to these agencies. They don't erase it as promised and your pii will end up in a LEO agency you don't want service from.[/QUOTE]You gifted her the ammunition. Homie didn't think of self preservation and did an ego check. And analyzing his faults is a good thing on this information forum so future mongers can be made aware of the risks and how to handle / not handle similar situations.
Deescalate. Apologize. Confirm safety. Then spread your experience to the whole world. Maybe it's different in California and they have the customer is always right type shit? T_T.
Side note: Does Elin from AG look familiar? I feel like I saw her pic from a Cali store a month ago.
[QUOTE=RocketManP;7435386]I don't agree about announcing being a threat, but for arguments sake let's say it is.
So the receptionist berated me, I say okay I will write a bad review and then receptionist takes out a shank or a gun and says okay I will ruin your life.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Konichi1;7435263]I understand what you're saying, and I think that some people are contrarian or oddly empathize with ATM as they may run a business? Like some of the arguments going on in the other thread, I don't agree with the angle of "you made a private conversation public". That's really odd considering the purpose of this site.
I think where OP went wrong is announcing to ATM that they are going to post about it. That does nothing but antagonize and escalate the whole thing since it's like a form of blackmail. What do you think is going to happen by telling them you're going to post it? They're going to say sorry and change? No, they also effed up and retaliated with their form of blackmail.
If I had to point fingers as to who is in the wrong more, it would be ATM due to the gravity of the information they threatened and they have way more to lose in the form of trust / reputation. But again, while I don't think it's wrong to have shared this, it's a terrible move to point it out to the booker that you're going to critique them directly. It's way different than complaining to them about a girl.[/QUOTE]It's funny to me that much of the discussion, very argumentative by some, around the post is focused on something everyone has expressed agreement with: the threat of disclosing PII was wrong.
Even if people agreed on which side was responsible for the blow up or started the threats what do that do for insights for how to avoid such events in the future? For Jay it seems there were initially two general problems: 1) a messed up schedule where the two sides thought the day was different and 2) dissatisfaction with the things the booker said when he wasn't available to quickly respond the the booker's texts looking for the appointment confirmation.
Not enough info about the first issue, but probably things like echoing back what the other says and repeating details to be sure both are on the same page helps in general. Having the phone handy around when you're expected to be available to respond seems like it would have prevented the second issue. And as you note, there was never any good reason to tell the book about making a public statement about their interaction. Had that never been said no threats about PII would have been made.
Seems like too often people want to focus on blaming and punishing rather that improving and solving problems.
Apologize for being berated?
Apologize for them threatening yo ruin your life?
Oh OK sure. And if a monger threatens a girl with violence then the po should apologize and deescalate too.
We should have exact same standards here.
The issue is the po has a big ego and leverages pii when he / she hears something they don't like.
The solution is. Get rid of the po. If they don't have discipline to not threaten doxxing, they should be bagging groceries.
I am damn sure never apologizing or bootlicking someone who abuses position of power, when I dsi nothing wrong.
[QUOTE=Azf06;7435682]Making decisions with their little head instead of their big head.
You gifted her the ammunition. Homie didn't think of self preservation and did an ego check. And analyzing his faults is a good thing on this information forum so future mongers can be made aware of the risks and how to handle / not handle similar situations.
Deescalate. Apologize. Confirm safety. Then spread your experience to the whole world. Maybe it's different in California and they have the customer is always right type shit? T_T.
Side note: Does Elin from AG look familiar? I feel like I saw her pic from a Cali store a month ago.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JacobsPatrick;7435906]I agree with you in part, but I believe the real issue is that an agency that keeps the pii of its customers will end up on the news just like those three (3) stooges in the Boston top ten bust. Customers also got busted BTW. As you may recall there were ties down here too. BEG! He said, She said, is really NOT important. If you're an agency and reading this, once confirmed, please delete your customer's pii. Don't be those three stooges! If you're a customer, please ask the agency to delete your information. Of course, everything I expressed is pure fiction, opinion, and / or just made up. Your honor.[/QUOTE]If you think agencies actually delete the pii info you're naive. They don't. They might tell you they did but they won't.
They keep it so that they have something in case the client is a dangerous guy.
Or, in this case of this po who shouldn't po anymore, they weaponize it for absolutely nothing.
[QUOTE=RocketManP;7435915]Apologize for being berated?
Apologize for them threatening yo ruin your life?
Oh OK sure. And if a monger threatens a girl with violence then the po should apologize and deescalate too.
We should have exact same standards here.
The issue is the po has a big ego and leverages pii when he / she hears something they don't like.
The solution is. Get rid of the po. If they don't have discipline to not threaten doxxing, they should be bagging groceries.
I am damn sure never apologizing or bootlicking someone who abuses position of power, when I dsi nothing wrong.[/QUOTE]Honestly I think everyone in this board should just agree to not go to ATM anymore, mongering is always going to come with some degree of risk, but what ATM did is clearly unacceptable. Even though I've never had any problems with them, I'll be avoiding them from now on as should everyone else on here.
[QUOTE=Almel89;7436057]Honestly I think everyone in this board should just agree to not go to ATM anymore, mongering is always going to come with some degree of risk, but what ATM did is clearly unacceptable. Even though I've never had any problems with them, I'll be avoiding them from now on as should everyone else on here.[/QUOTE]I'm still going.
We don't even know if this is true or not, even if it is I'm still going.
I go for the girls not the booker.
That's like saying I'm not going to my favorite bar cause the hostess is a ***** to me.
Like you said we all take a certain risk with this but for some reason people don't think that I'm not sure why.
Truth be told I think over time you all will go back and the people that say I won't sign up will once some popular girls comes (Kimmy, Jamie, Hani retired, Jane).
I have had bad experiences before not on Jay level at asianbittterfly and thought also to myself, "I'm never going back blah blah this and that".
But I ultimately did cause quite honestly I'm going for the girls not booker.
You can say there other agencies too but it ain't like everyone clicks with every girl.
But you do what you think is right.
BTW I also agree with you bookers should never threaten pi information under any circumstances just unprofessional.
Apologize for the miscommunication.
Part ways stating you don't like the mistreatment.
Wait a day to cooldown.
Post your interaction on forum.
I'm referring to before the events. To avoid a situation of any threats made in the first place.
Good talk.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=RocketManP;7435915]Apologize for being berated?
Apologize for them threatening yo ruin your life?
Oh OK sure. And if a monger threatens a girl with violence then the po should apologize and deescalate too.
We should have exact same standards here.
The issue is the po has a big ego and leverages pii when he / she hears something they don't like.
The solution is. Get rid of the po. If they don't have discipline to not threaten doxxing, they should be bagging groceries.
I am damn sure never apologizing or bootlicking someone who abuses position of power, when I dsi nothing wrong.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rkoppa;7436120]I'm still going.
We don't even know if this is true or not, even if it is I'm still going.
I go for the girls not the booker.
That's like saying I'm not going to my favorite bar cause the hostess is a ***** to me.
Like you said we all take a certain risk with this but for some reason people don't think that I'm not sure why.
Truth be told I think over time you all will go back and the people that say I won't sign up will once some popular girls comes (Kimmy, Jamie, Hani retired, Jane).
I have had bad experiences before not on Jay level at asianbittterfly and thought also to myself, "I'm never going back blah blah this and that".
But I ultimately did cause quite honestly I'm going for the girls not booker.
You can say there other agencies too but it ain't like everyone clicks with every girl.
But you do what you think is right.
BTW I also agree with you bookers should never threaten pi information under any circumstances just unprofessional.[/QUOTE]To general discussion, I say go at your own risk, it might just be a one time thing. But yes every agency keeps your info.
[QUOTE=RocketManP;7435386]Again, the conflict happened. And the Booker threatened to out his pii info. For many mongers, outing pii info means a ruined life. A ruined career and / or family.
If the Booker resorts to that in a verbal conflict, this is a big problem. How many more times would the boomer resort to that threat?
I don't agree about announcing being a threat, but for arguments sake let's say it is.[/QUOTE]Sharing this experience might help someone come forward and say:
1) they were shut down by the agency the same way when they said they would post a public complaint.
2) they actually did something like this and the agency did out them somehow. To their spouce, their place of employment or the cops.
Just because they said they'd do it, doesn't mean they will. It also doesn't mean they haven't done it already. Not everyone who uses these agencies posts or reads these boards.
[QUOTE=Almel89;7436057]Honestly I think everyone in this board should just agree to not go to ATM anymore, mongering is always going to come with some degree of risk, but what ATM did is clearly unacceptable. Even though I've never had any problems with them, I'll be avoiding them from now on as should everyone else on here.[/QUOTE]Speaking only for myself, I've always had very professional dealings with this booker, dating back two years. Used P411 to verify, so no issue with PII, even if things go south. And the ATM girls IMO are just as good as the other k-orgs. So I'll continue to use them. As someone else noted. As it is for me. It's about the girls, not the booker.
Do you also say thank you sir for the insult and my berating, can I have some more?
Do you bow down to them too? Slam your forehead in the ground?
You guys keep trying to excuse the bookers behavior and lecture the monger on what he could've done. While ignoring what the booker could've done to avoid this as well. Starting with oh I dunno, not berating your own client maybe?
All these bookers think they're hot shit and have unlimited power because they gatekeep pussy and suffer no consequences.
Where are the lectures about how the po -someone doing a customer facing job. Has a fuse shorter than a mosquito dick, discipline of a heron addict and politeness of drunk sailor?
Yet the customer is blamed for this. Somehow po can do no wrong. Smh.
Just a few months ago a customer in the bay area posted a po insulting him and being an abolsute asshole over customer asking whether Greek was available. A normal question and po treated him like a piece of garbage.
And the funniest thing? If the roles were reversed the po would take none of the abuse he / she expects the clients to take. Because we'll, double standards.
I guess it's all fine to yall since po gives you pussy. If you like for your dignity to be bought with pussy, I guess more power to you.
[QUOTE=Azf06;7436123]Apologize for the miscommunication.
Part ways stating you don't like the mistreatment.
Wait a day to cooldown.
Post your interaction on forum.
I'm referring to before the events. To avoid a situation of any threats made in the first place.
Good talk.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RocketManP;7437940]Do you also say thank you sir for the insult and my berating, can I have some more?
Do you bow down to them too? Slam your forehead in the ground?
You guys keep trying to excuse the bookers behavior and lecture the monger on what he could've done. While ignoring what the booker could've done to avoid this as well. Starting with oh I dunno, not berating your own client maybe?
All these bookers think they're hot shit and have unlimited power because they gatekeep pussy and suffer no consequences.
Where are the lectures about how the po -someone doing a customer facing job. Has a fuse shorter than a mosquito dick, discipline of a heron addict and politeness of drunk sailor?
Yet the customer is blamed for this. Somehow po can do no wrong. Smh..[/QUOTE]Your still talking about this?
How about this show me one piece of evidence this is true?
All I have heard so far is a customer complaining about the way he treated (yet he went back for seconds).
I have done business with that agency and was never treated that way.
I haven't heard any other person here say" yeah man the PO at that place teats me bad too".
So when you have evidence (screenshot or another person saying they did that to me too).
Let me know.
[BLUE]The next one of you guys that brings this up on a review forum again gets banned, no warnings, no notice.
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[QUOTE=Rkoppa;7438330]Your still talking about this?
How about this show me one piece of evidence this is true?
All I have heard so far is a customer complaining about the way he treated (yet he went back for seconds).
I have done business with that agency and was never treated that way.
I haven't heard any other person here say" yeah man the PO at that place teats me bad too".
So when you have evidence (screenshot or another person saying they did that to me too).
Let me know.[/QUOTE][BLUE]Stop white knighting this place. He thinks it sucks, that's all you need to know. If you think it doesn't then write a fucking review.
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[QUOTE=RocketManP;7437940]Do you also say thank you sir for the insult and my berating, can I have some more?
Do you bow down to them too? Slam your forehead in the ground?
You guys keep trying to excuse the bookers behavior and lecture the monger on what he could've done. While ignoring what the booker could've done to avoid this as well. Starting with oh I dunno, not berating your own client maybe?
All these bookers think they're hot shit and have unlimited power because they gatekeep pussy and suffer no consequences.
Where are the lectures about how the po -someone doing a customer facing job. Has a fuse shorter than a mosquito dick, discipline of a heron addict and politeness of drunk sailor?
Yet the customer is blamed for this. Somehow po can do no wrong. Smh.
Just a few months ago a customer in the bay area posted a po insulting him and being an abolsute asshole over customer asking whether Greek was available. A normal question and po treated him like a piece of garbage.
And the funniest thing? If the roles were reversed the po would take none of the abuse he / she expects the clients to take. Because we'll, double standards.
I guess it's all fine to yall since po gives you pussy. If you like for your dignity to be bought with pussy, I guess more power to you.[/QUOTE][BLUE]Everybody understands you hate this place, you should never go back. If you bring this up on a review thread again I will ban you.
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[QUOTE=Azf06;7436123]Apologize for the miscommunication.
Part ways stating you don't like the mistreatment.
Wait a day to cooldown.
Post your interaction on forum.
I'm referring to before the events. To avoid a situation of any threats made in the first place.
Good talk.
Thanks.[/QUOTE][BLUE]Stop instigating shit, not everybody is as amused as you are.
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Well damn, that made for an entertaining read, haha!
Sidenote, someone had mentioned P411 earlier which is what I had used [B]many[/B] years ago before letting the subscription expire.
Does anyone know if most Asian agencies here still accept that for screening purposes? Because if so, that might be very useful as much of my shit is outdated there & I wouldn't be forfeiting too much PII. Thanks in advance.
Screenshots of booker from ATM. Overanalyze this all you want.
Love how you asked for an apology. The shills / bootlickers would never. Could never. Do this.
They would never dare to stand up to someone in position of power.
There are clowns who asked for proof, well here's the proof. They all quiet now.
[QUOTE=JaySinn;7451229]Screenshots of booker from ATM. Overanalyze this all you want.[/QUOTE]The booker's texts make me think he / she has a decent command of English, especially in the use of B**LS**T and the proper use of "too".
[QUOTE=JaySinn;7451229]Screenshots of booker from ATM. Overanalyze this all you want.[/QUOTE]I've used this agency and the booker always seemed nice to me. In your convo, it seemed liked she did a 180. Have you done this before? IME, if you text a booker with a name, specific day and specific time you should be fine. If you are unsure of your availability don't even bother to reach out.
[QUOTE=Stroon78;7452882]I've used this agency and the booker always seemed nice to me. In your convo, it seemed liked she did a 180. Have you done this before? IME, if you text a booker with a name, specific day and specific time you should be fine. If you are unsure of your availability don't even bother to reach out.[/QUOTE]It was my first experience with them. After the screening I tried to schedule with the vgirl.
Told them Tues. They texted me on Monday asking if I was coming. I said no, Tuesday.
She said she wasn't available. So I said okay I was I'll check back with them when I know when I'm free again.
I texted them Thursday to see if she was available that day. They said no she was off.
So I asked about Saturday. You guys know the rest.
So for a week there was multiple texts. Just trying to figure out when we were both available.
Could that be enough to piss off the booker? I dunno.
Don't know. Don't care. Plenty of other agencies I can use.
I'm not going to convince anyone not to use them.
Just stating Your Miles May Vary (YMMV).
It was them stating they would share my info / photo for leaving a negative review.
Even if it was empty threat, still poor business practice.
[QUOTE=JaySinn;7453232]I'm not going to convince anyone not to use them.
Just stating Your Miles May Vary (YMMV).
It was them stating they would share my info / photo for leaving a negative review.
Even if it was empty threat, still poor business practice.[/QUOTE]Years ago when I visited Asian agencies more regularly, I would ask for a girl's availability for the next 2 - 3 days then share the days / times that worked best for me. AG's booker always seemed to appreciate this as it cuts back on a lot of the back-and-forth, and the appointment gets scheduled pretty seamlessly. I'm nitpicking a tad here, but the only fault I can kinda see on your end was not laying out as much info about your availability then requesting hers within two consecutive texts. This typically helps expedite things for scheduling, then you simply reconfirm the morning of, explain that you'll be unable to answer for a couple hours due to work or whatnot, then go from there.
However, you telling the booker that you'd write a negative review about their piss-poor phone etiquette is hardly grounds for them to weaponize your PII. And the fact that there's some johns here who think that lack of professionalism is acceptable? I mean Jesus, the white-knighting is real in these parts! These agencies claim to destroy any PII / texts / screenshots of everything sent their way, but I don't buy it for a millisecond. They definitely keep those records, and it wouldn't shock me in the least if they were to leverage as much info as they could to avoid harsher penalties in the event that said agency were to get rolled up by LE.
Bottom line: this hobby relies on customers, the agency is a business, and it's their responsibility to protect their asses & girls without throwing the aforementioned customers under the fucking bus.
[QUOTE=Rkoppa;7438330]How about this show me one piece of evidence this is true?
So when you have evidence (screenshot or another person saying they did that to me too).
Let me know.[/QUOTE]Jaysinn let you know.
Where you at? Evidence and proof was shown. Where you at?
Where's he at? 'Cause I got me a gat.
And I'mma show him how a true G's sposed to act with a strap.
[blue]This guy will make new users, when he does please don't ever respond to them, just report them so i can delete the content and user. I want to remove him, I don't want anybody giving him attention.
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I certainly tried to keep the texts to a minimum. At first it seemed like they were confusing me with someone else.
Then she just wasn't available or I wasn't. So this just created more texts.
I also can't rule out that what they said Migth have meant posting to a blacklist?
Thinking it's a language barrier, but their English is really good so who knows.
If there's 99 good experiences and 1 bad one. It's probably worth trying.
There's no guarantee that they would actually share my info.
Where would they even put it?
I'm on the fence about if they actually keep it or not.
How would they know you've been screened unless then save your number as "approved".
They would have to have a lot of storage on the phone to keep track of everyone.
I dunno just thinking out loud.
Maybe its just me but I disagree with the defense of these texts that were posted. No offense but you started by saying you would get back to them at noon and you didn't so they basically called you out on it. Seemed like it was your fault once you didn't message at noon as stated. The idea that you asked them for an apology looks pretty weak as well.
[QUOTE=JaySinn;7454254]I certainly tried to keep the texts to a minimum. At first it seemed like they were confusing me with someone else.
Then she just wasn't available or I wasn't. So this just created more texts.
I also can't rule out that what they said Migth have meant posting to a blacklist?
Thinking it's a language barrier, but their English is really good so who knows.
If there's 99 good experiences and 1 bad one. It's probably worth trying.
There's no guarantee that they would actually share my info.
Where would they even put it?
I'm on the fence about if they actually keep it or not.
How would they know you've been screened unless then save your number as "approved".
They would have to have a lot of storage on the phone to keep track of everyone.
I dunno just thinking out loud.[/QUOTE]Does seem like a lot of confusion in the communication and the risk of that happens when things get stretched out over days like seem to be the case. I think a lot of that potential confusion can be removed (help eliminate some some of the variance in YMMV) by just treating every attempt to schedule as a completely independent situation and don't try to arrange more than a day in advance. If you're not booking for the same day but the next day, proactively confirm the morning of (around 9 am when the booker is starting getting request to see the girl that day).
No idea what your schedule is like but assume at the start of the day it's pretty well defined. Best to try just making the request that morning as see if the stars align. Your screen shots seem to indicate a couple of missed touch points and a different expectation on when the confirmation was expected (you: around noon, booker: by noon). So the different expectations can be removed by use a specific time by which the appointment will be confirm. And, I would suggest taking control of that and always being the one that sends the confirmation before the stated time.
As for the rest of the stuff, I think a lot was said that didn't need to be said and should not have been said. Particularly given text exchanges are really poor at good communication regarding tone of voice so limiting the exchange to just simple facts -- name, time, date and yes / no is a smart thing to do. Additionally, just tell the book what they need to know in order to schedule an appointment -- even if things go bad and they come across as rude / terse in text messages don't follow suit. Even if you think it's unacceptable / undeserved treatment it's unnecessary to tell them a negative post will be made -- it's not like you have to give advance notice before you're allowed to post and certainly you're not saying it to get permission. Why is that something they need to be told in advance? It will never make a deteriorating / bad situation better.
[QUOTE=Korman23;7454610]Maybe its just me but I disagree with the defense of these texts that were posted. No offense but you started by saying you would get back to them at noon and you didn't so they basically called you out on it. Seemed like it was your fault once you didn't message at noon as stated. The idea that you asked them for an apology looks pretty weak as well.[/QUOTE]I said "around" 12/ noon. To confirm for 4 pm. I replied back at 1230.
Sure. My fault for not texting then at exactly 12 on the dot. LOL. Are you serious?
[QUOTE=Noworth;7454650]Does seem like a lot of confusion in the communication and the risk of that happens when things get stretched out over days like seem to be the case. I think a lot of that potential confusion can be removed (help eliminate some some of the variance in YMMV) by just treating every attempt to schedule as a completely independent situation and don't try to arrange more than a day in advance. If you're not booking for the same day but the next day, proactively confirm the morning of (around 9 am when the booker is starting getting request to see the girl that day).
No idea what your schedule is like but assume at the start of the day it's pretty well defined. Best to try just making the request that morning as see if the stars align. Your screen shots seem to indicate a couple of missed touch points and a different expectation on when the confirmation was expected (you: around noon, booker: by noon). So the different expectations can be removed by use a specific time by which the appointment will be confirm. And, I would suggest taking control of that and always being the one that sends the confirmation before the stated time.
As for the rest of the stuff, I think a lot was said that didn't need to be said and should not have been said. Particularly given text exchanges are really poor at good communication regarding tone of voice so limiting the exchange to just simple facts -- name, time, date and yes / no is a smart thing to do. Additionally, just tell the book what they need to know in order to schedule an appointment -- even if things go bad and they come across as rude / terse in text messages don't follow suit. Even if you think it's unacceptable / undeserved treatment it's unnecessary to tell them a negative post will be made -- it's not like you have to give advance notice before you're allowed to post and certainly you're not saying it to get permission. Why is that something they need to be told in advance? It will never make a deteriorating / bad situation better.[/QUOTE]Communication should be name and time, "confirmed", and "here". If they give you other info about location acknowledge receiving it. If they give an alternative time get back in 5 minutes or say can't make it work at the moment. All the other comms are pointless. Who cares where you are and shouldn't be committing to getting back in hours when they're not going to hold anything.
The reaction by the company is a whole other thing. Totally inappropriate and a “cutting off one’s nose” type of self destructive situation.
[QUOTE=JaySinn;7454809]I said "around" 12/ noon. To confirm for 4 pm. I replied back at 1230.
Sure. My fault for not texting then at exactly 12 on the dot. LOL. Are you serious?[/QUOTE]Actually it appeared they reached out to you at 12:30 so there's actually no evidence you even would have messaged at 12:30 if they didn't first. The asking for an apology thing at the end is still lame though.
[QUOTE=JaySinn;7451229]Screenshots of booker from ATM. Overanalyze this all you want.[/QUOTE]Ended with the shrug emoji. They "blocked" you at that point. What did you hope to accomplish by letting them know you were giving a shit review? Yeah, it's bad form to come back with doxxing you, but they haven't, yet.
There's a certain agency I've verified with and have texted dozens of times for the lineups but never followed through. They haven't come back with anything like banning me yet. But if they did, they'd probably be right for me wasting their time every week. I wouldn't tell them I was going to shit on them. I just would. They wouldn't know it was me anyway.
[QUOTE=Korman23;7455572]Actually it appeared they reached out to you at 12:30 so there's actually no evidence you even would have messaged at 12:30 if they didn't first. The asking for an apology thing at the end is still lame though.[/QUOTE]Do you read what you write before you send it? I feel like you're here to troll.
How does one provide evidence for intent?
Is my precious attempts few times trying to schedule time with her not count?
Why tf would I text them trying to set something up between 12-2 pm (because that's when I was free).
If I had no intent on following through?
It doesn't matter what I say on here, you're going to have some bullsh. T to say. Again I think you're just trolling.
I texted them back at 1233. I told them around 12. That's not close enough? 4 hours before the appointment?
Not everyone is glued to their phones and plan their entire day around getting laid. I'm a monger / hobbyist. Not a simp.
I could care less about them. I've had great experiences with other agencies. I could care less about what you think.
I only uploaded those screenshots because I was asked to by a few members on here. You all want to make a big deal out of nothing LOL.
Happy Thanksgiving you idiots.
[QUOTE=BoMcC;7455599]Ended with the shrug emoji. They "blocked" you at that point. What did you hope to accomplish by letting them know you were giving a shit review? Yeah, it's bad form to come back with doxxing you, but they haven't, yet.
There's a certain agency I've verified with and have texted dozens of times for the lineups but never followed through. They haven't come back with anything like banning me yet. But if they did, they'd probably be right for me wasting their time every week. I wouldn't tell them I was going to shit on them. I just would. They wouldn't know it was me anyway.[/QUOTE]Fair, but businesses usually embrace customer feedback. Good ones love negative feedback back it allows them to fix things and change.
If they're not learning from their failures and mistakes, they aren't improving. If no one shares those negative reviews, either with them directly or on a public forum.
Then nothing changes.
[QUOTE=JaySinn;7455660]Fair, but businesses usually embrace customer feedback. Good ones love negative feedback back it allows them to fix things and change.
If they're not learning from their failures and mistakes, they aren't improving. If no one shares those negative reviews, either with them directly or on a public forum.
Then nothing changes.[/QUOTE]Honestly I am sorry. I wasn't trying to troll you or call you out or anything. I first stated I kind of disagreed with you after reading the text photos you posted. I said that because I don't think you really handled the situation much better than they did. Were they rude to you at the start? Sure, agreed. But you also threatened them with a bad review, which while customer feedback is great, this was not feedback. You also mentioned in other posts that they continued to berate you and such but the photos you posted don't support that. I think you and the handler both were just equally frustrated.
[QUOTE=PokerBrah;7467584]She looked too damn good. Pictures are close then? I hope she comes up to let us have a turn at her Latina pussy.[/QUOTE]I would just be careful. All his post are very recent, all for new girls as soon as they show up and has almost 20 posts in just the past month. I do not know him, but I've seen similar things in other sites and JB tends to put a lot of fake reviews. Feel free to take any post with a grain of salt, but when I see someone posting like 20 experiences in one month, all for different girls as soon as they land. At least for me that raises a red flag.
[QUOTE=Ksl93;7467650]I would just be careful. All his post are very recent, all for new girls as soon as they show up and has almost 20 posts in just the past month. I do not know him, but I've seen similar things in other sites and JB tends to put a lot of fake reviews. Feel free to take any post with a grain of salt, but when I see someone posting like 20 experiences in one month, all for different girls as soon as they land. At least for me that raises a red flag.[/QUOTE]Yeah, those 2 ids are suspicious for sure. They post minutes apart for a while too.
[QUOTE=Ksl93;7467650]I would just be careful. All his post are very recent, all for new girls as soon as they show up and has almost 20 posts in just the past month. I do not know him, but I've seen similar things in other sites and JB tends to put a lot of fake reviews. Feel free to take any post with a grain of salt, but when I see someone posting like 20 experiences in one month, all for different girls as soon as they land. At least for me that raises a red flag.[/QUOTE]It's an open secret. When you find something TGTBT, they listen your big head not small.