[QUOTE=Just_Shat;2683763][URL]http://rachelluv.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for the link.
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[QUOTE=Just_Shat;2683763][URL]http://rachelluv.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for the link.
Anyone know about Kennedy Leigh or Nickey Huntsman? Also, anyone know the status of Caroline Pierce as an escort?
[QUOTE=Ryanblah;2703442]Anyone know about Kennedy Leigh or Nickey Huntsman? Also, anyone know the status of Caroline Pierce as an escort?[/QUOTE]I think Caroline Pierce used to escort earlier in her porn days but aggressively refuses to now.
[QUOTE=Gizmosis;2683907]Former porn actress Daya Layne is now TiaQuinn on HX. I posted a review of our session at the link below.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?10075-Humaniplex&p=2668261&viewfull=1#post2668261[/URL][/QUOTE]I've seen Tia a few years ago when her HX handle was Kaylee K. She was scarred up from motorcycle accident and was on SB in the SFV area. She delivers an excellent BBBJ and 69 and was so good, I went daty and dato on her. She got turned on and excited, she wanted me to spend to night with her at her room. I was going to spent the night until her cock blocking AA pimp kept blowing up her phone and followed up by going to her room shortly after I finished my session with her. She told me that wasn't her pimp, but her brother in law and he was also having sex with her on the side. The pimp seemed like a cool guy, but he was very annoying and was like a leach by being dependent on her pussy for money. I don't mind seeing her again as long as that leach is no where around.
Would like to bone Tara Holiday. Don't know if anyone has had an opportunity.
I remember this sweet mamacita posting up on CL a few times during the summer, and she's pretty local to the SGV area. I emailed her once about a get together, and while it was five benny's for an hour, I really tried to convince myself it was worth it. The moment I emailed her that I will be getting a room (outcall only), I went over and booked it. Problem was, I never got a response. Maybe I jumped the gun, but damn, she is smokin' hot. I wanted to get the room all set up for some nice cam action, but no response from her. I was out the cost of the room, but had a few on call that wanted to have fun, so I guess it wasn't a total loss.
I know this is a report f who we already had, but have anyone used this site to contact / book porn stars? I've seen several porn stars pormote it on social media profiles, But I don't know. (Luscious Lopez, Gianna Michaels). Most of the girls are on escort sites and / or agencies (escort). Just curious it says you can "buy" their phone number, talk / text and book live events. Is this legit, if so it will be a way to meet them, in addition to their social media profile, since most have booking emails there.
[URL]www.dreamlover.com[/URL]
Let me know what you think / your opinion. i'm thinking of giving it a try
[QUOTE=Bucweak;2714339]I know this is a report f who we already had, but have anyone used this site to contact / book porn stars? I've seen several porn stars pormote it on social media profiles, But I don't know. (Luscious Lopez, Gianna Michaels). Most of the girls are on escort sites and / or agencies (escort). Just curious it says you can "buy" their phone number, talk / text and book live events. Is this legit, if so it will be a way to meet them, in addition to their social media profile, since most have booking emails there.
[URL]www.dreamlover.com[/URL]
Let me know what you think / your opinion. i'm thinking of giving it a try[/QUOTE]There is no correlation between pornstars that make that site available to fans and being open for private meetings. That is to say, no one uses that site as an avenue for fans to contact them for personal bookings. I know one pornstar that I fucked has started to use the site, but she also stopped escorting completely. On the otherhand, Luscious Lopez and Gianna Michaels are available for private meetings and that is a confirmed fact. Just not through that web-site.
You could try it with a pornstar who has not made any other contact info available if you're feeling desperate, and that may give you a breakthrough, but it's much more likely that if you ask them on that platform they'll say something like "I'm not allowed to discuss that here" or simply hang up.
There are other, free ways to get the contact info of elusive or discreet pornstars, I don't think dreamlover is worth it for that purpose.
[QUOTE=Nysyra;2717328]There is no correlation between pornstars that make that site available to fans and being open for private meetings. That is to say, no one uses that site as an avenue for fans to contact them for personal bookings. I know one pornstar that I fucked has started to use the site, but she also stopped escorting completely. On the otherhand, Luscious Lopez and Gianna Michaels are available for private meetings and that is a confirmed fact. Just not through that web-site.
You could try it with a pornstar who has not made any other contact info available if you're feeling desperate, and that may give you a breakthrough, but it's much more likely that if you ask them on that platform they'll say something like "I'm not allowed to discuss that here" or simply hang up.
There are other, free ways to get the contact info of elusive or discreet pornstars, I don't think dreamlover is worth it for that purpose.[/QUOTE]The main way I contact "porn stars and / or models" is through the emails they have on their social media pages (Twitter, Instagram, etc) or webcam site, sometime through live chat on webcam site they give out booking info.
I just hooked up with an popular "Urban Model / Video vixen / reality star" this weekend contacting her through email off of Twitter. Spent $$$. good time. I knew her from back in the day though
I just wanted to see if it /[URL]Dreamlover.com[/URL] was legit or if anyone has used it. Besides it was only a dollar to join.
I saw her at the Blue Zebra strip club in NOHO in mid 2015. I would have got a VIP dance from her, but she got pulled away by a short 300 lb guy. Just could not get myself to take her back after that.
[QUOTE=Gizmosis;2683934]I'm not usually attracted to MILF-aged women, but Rayveness is a notable exception. She's 43 now, and she still has a tight, fantastic body, with smooth, soft skin and big, natural boobs. I've lusted after her for many years, and being with her fulfilled a longtime fantasy.[/QUOTE]
I see Gianna is posting on BP section. I know she "take bookings" and lives in some where in LA country, but has anyone taken the bait and tried contacting through this ad before to see if it legit? Plus the email is different than the one she personally gave through her web cam show on Camsoda.
[URL]http://longbeach.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/tgif-porn-star-gianna-michaels-is-eager-to-make-your-weekend-wt-and-wild-in-la-till-jan-27/64915281[/URL]
I guess her rate went down also.
Any info would help thanks.
[QUOTE=Bucweak;2767787]I see Gianna is posting on BP section. I know she "take bookings" and lives in some where in LA country, but has anyone taken the bait and tried contacting through this ad before to see if it legit? Plus the email is different than the one she personally gave through her web cam show on Camsoda.
[URL]http://longbeach.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/tgif-porn-star-gianna-michaels-is-eager-to-make-your-weekend-wt-and-wild-in-la-till-jan-27/64915281[/URL]
I guess her rate went down also.
Any info would help thanks.[/QUOTE]Never pay a deposit. Ever.
Ever.
Don't do it.
Does anyone have any info on this little hottie? 5'3" 98 lbs. Just got on the scene maybe 6 months ago. Heard she was or is a dancer at Spearmint Rhino Industry, I'm borderline head over heals for this one gents. Need help.
[QUOTE=Bucweak;2767787]I see Gianna is posting on BP section. I know she "take bookings" and lives in some where in LA country, but has anyone taken the bait and tried contacting through this ad before to see if it legit? Plus the email is different than the one she personally gave through her web cam show on Camsoda.
[URL]http://longbeach.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/tgif-porn-star-gianna-michaels-is-eager-to-make-your-weekend-wt-and-wild-in-la-till-jan-27/64915281[/URL]
I guess her rate went down also.
Any info would help thanks.[/QUOTE]That deposit shit though. Forget all that. And there a lot of bad bitches on camsoda. Some dudes literally be paying moths worth of rent on some of those girls. In a matter of hours. And, surprisingly, the girls that make the most on there don't show everything. Like don't even show the box. WTF!
[QUOTE=GimmeMoreHead;2767862]That deposit shit though. Forget all that. And there a lot of bad bitches on camsoda. Some dudes literally be paying moths worth of rent on some of those girls. In a matter of hours. And, surprisingly, the girls that make the most on there don't show everything. Like don't even show the box. WTF![/QUOTE]I never understood paying for web cam / phone sex etc and you can't literally see the person in person and touch / feel, etc. If I can't see them in person and have physical contact, they won't be getting my dough.
Gianna however is like my dream F** and favorite P.S. I'll spend that to see her. I always thought she was in over $1000 or more club.
GMorehead did you ever get to hook up with Tok** the model vixen??
[QUOTE=Bucweak;2767911]I never understood paying for web cam / phone sex etc and you can't literally see the person in person and touch / feel, etc. If I can't see them in person and have physical contact, they won't be getting my dough.
Gianna however is like my dream F** and favorite P.S. I'll spend that to see her. I always thought she was in over $1000 or more club.
GMorehead did you ever get to hook up with Tok** the model vixen??[/QUOTE]Naw man I didn't get a reply the day we were supposed to meet.
[QUOTE=Bucweak;2767787]I see Gianna is posting on BP section. I know she "take bookings" and lives in some where in LA country, but has anyone taken the bait and tried contacting through this ad before to see if it legit? Plus the email is different than the one she personally gave through her web cam show on Camsoda.
[URL]http://longbeach.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/tgif-porn-star-gianna-michaels-is-eager-to-make-your-weekend-wt-and-wild-in-la-till-jan-27/64915281[/URL]
I guess her rate went down also.
Any info would help thanks.[/QUOTE]Hi, new poster here.
This is likely a scam. The ad looks exactly like an earlier scam.
I'm from the Bay Area and someone purporting to be pornstar Brianna Love advertised on BP a few months back. A fellow hobbyist contacted "Brianna Love" through the BP ad and was told that he first needed to pay a deposit before scheduling an appointment. The "assistant" told him to purchase a Paypal gift card from Walmart, Target, 7-11, etc. He was then instructed to scratch off the back of the card and reveal the code. Then take a picture of the back of the card with the code and email it to the assistant. Once he did that, he could schedule an appointment with Brianna Love through the assistant. On the day of the appointment, about an hour before, the assistant sent him an email saying that Brianna was sick and they would need to reschedule. He rescheduled for a different day, and then later was told she was no longer in town. After that, the assistant stopped responding to email.
As I said above, the wording of the Gianna Michaels ad looks exactly the same as the wording for the fake Brianna Love ad. The contact email is similar as well. The fake Brianna Love ad used an email address "[EMAIL]datebriannaluv@gmail.com[/EMAIL]", this Gianna Michaels ad uses the email address "[EMAIL]dategiannamichaels@gmail.com[/EMAIL]".
Having said that, I have seen ads and reviews for Gianna Michaels through pornstar agencies. Some of these agencies ask you to send a deposit first, but they will never ask you to buy a Paypal gift card and send them the code.
[QUOTE=KennyStarr;2770473]Hi, new poster here.
This is likely a scam. The ad looks exactly like an earlier scam.
I'm from the Bay Area and someone purporting to be pornstar Brianna Love advertised on BP a few months back. A fellow hobbyist contacted "Brianna Love" through the BP ad and was told that he first needed to pay a deposit before scheduling an appointment. The "assistant" told him to purchase a Paypal gift card from Walmart, Target, 7-11, etc. He was then instructed to scratch off the back of the card and reveal the code. Then take a picture of the back of the card with the code and email it to the assistant. Once he did that, he could schedule an appointment with Brianna Love through the assistant. On the day of the appointment, about an hour before, the assistant sent him an email saying that Brianna was sick and they would need to reschedule. He rescheduled for a different day, and then later was told she was no longer in town. After that, the assistant stopped responding to email.
As I said above, the wording of the Gianna Michaels ad looks exactly the same as the wording for the fake Brianna Love ad. The contact email is similar as well. The fake Brianna Love ad used an email address "[EMAIL]datebriannaluv@gmail.com[/EMAIL]", this Gianna Michaels ad uses the email address "[EMAIL]dategiannamichaels@gmail.com[/EMAIL]".
Having said that, I have seen ads and reviews for Gianna Michaels through pornstar agencies. Some of these agencies ask you to send a deposit first, but they will never ask you to buy a Paypal gift card and send them the code.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I was just curious, The rates seem low, for a pornstar like her, I think I seen somewhere her rate was in the $1000 and up club like Sara Jay and Sophie Dee. Anyhow if I were to contact her I would use the email she gave herself during one of her webcam shows.
GMorehead: That sucks.
Have been experimenting with the SA site for a couple months. Got a message from SHA. Pics were of Zuri, the message just gave her phone number. Did a search of number and a few escort ads popped up in LA for the beginning of December. Haven't called yet. I gather she travels back and forth between Chicago and LA, but no escort reviews. Anyone sampled the big tinted, petite Zuri.
Any feedback from experience would be great.
Anyone at all have info on this new girl? From what I can gather she used to dance at SR Industry and jumped into porn. Found out she got picked up last Sept for solicitation. So she may be down to play with fans. Fucking hot 5'3" 98# Asian beauty! Anyone anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
She goes by Karma Custra on HX: [URL]http://www.humaniplex.com/profiles/Karma.custra[/URL].
I saw her a few weeks back for rock bottom special she had going of 260/ HR. BBBJ, DFK, DATY, Rough sex, submissive, humiliation.
My TER review: I took my time kissing and licking her perfect nipples. As she got more and more into it, she got on her knees.
And started teasing me around my hard cock and playing with my balls. She was very eager to BBBJ, , PSE style: spit, eye contact, deep throat. So I had her lay face-down on the bed and gave her a massage. Massaging her feet, her athletic legs, and her firm naked ass was so hot. I would slowly caress her pussy as I massaged her legs and ass, which she said was a big turn on. She then turned over onto her back, and I began DATY. Such a sweet, fresh pussy!! She loves fingers in her pussy but that was ok with me. I could lick that pussy all night! I spent most of my time licking the clit. She really got into it and was thrusting her pussy into my mouth until she came, which was so sexy. She said that I was great, and hopefully, she meant it! After this, we had enough time to cover up and start CG. When she was riding, she reached back and grabbed my balls. Then, mish, I had to pound that pussy. She couldn't hold back how good my cock felt inside of her tight dripping pussy. Your dick feels so fucking good she said. Harder, pull on my nipples she said. I want us to cum together. Between this and all the buildup from everything else, it wasn't long until I couldn't take it anymore. Finally, I blew it in the bag as I saw her shiver as she had reached orgasm. That I felt good about. We relaxed for a bit, and then I left. Hope to see her again!
[URL]http://la.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/coming-soonexotic-west-indianebony-adult-star-model-anisacoke-bottle-shape-wa-53-inch-booty/56378830[/URL]
[URL]http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=909811285[/URL]
If anyone looking for a huge booty video girl / pornstar here's one. Her rates look reasonable and she got video on pornhub and I think other sites. Reviews on TER as well. I love big booty girls but I don't feel it with this chick. She's an amazon.
[QUOTE=AManOnTheRun;2789296]She goes by Karma Custra on HX: [URL]http://www.humaniplex.com/profiles/Karma.custra[/URL].
I saw her a few weeks back for rock bottom special she had going of 260/ HR. BBBJ, DFK, DATY, Rough sex, submissive, humiliation.
My TER review: I took my time kissing and licking her perfect nipples. As she got more and more into it, she got on her knees.
And started teasing me around my hard cock and playing with my balls. She was very eager to BBBJ, , PSE style: spit, eye contact, deep throat. So I had her lay face-down on the bed and gave her a massage. Massaging her feet, her athletic legs, and her firm naked ass was so hot. I would slowly caress her pussy as I massaged her legs and ass, which she said was a big turn on. She then turned over onto her back, and I began DATY. Such a sweet, fresh pussy!! She loves fingers in her pussy but that was ok with me. I could lick that pussy all night! I spent most of my time licking the clit. She really got into it and was thrusting her pussy into my mouth until she came, which was so sexy. She said that I was great, and hopefully, she meant it! After this, we had enough time to cover up and start CG. When she was riding, she reached back and grabbed my balls. Then, mish, I had to pound that pussy. She couldn't hold back how good my cock felt inside of her tight dripping pussy. Your dick feels so fucking good she said. Harder, pull on my nipples she said. I want us to cum together. Between this and all the buildup from everything else, it wasn't long until I couldn't take it anymore. Finally, I blew it in the bag as I saw her shiver as she had reached orgasm. That I felt good about. We relaxed for a bit, and then I left. Hope to see her again![/QUOTE]Saw her 3 times. First time is was wonderful. She does have those meaty lips down there.
Third time she use too much lube and some blood spots on the bed. I think she was on her period and was using sponges in her pussy.
I hate that when they do that.
Anyone know about Nickey Huntsman? Looks a lot like Alison Brie. Can't find out if she escorts?
Anybody here got info on Kiara Mia? She got an ad up on BP. But she pricey though. Just want to know if she worth seeing.
[QUOTE=GimmeMoreHead;2802786]Anybody here got info on Kiara Mia? She got an ad up on BP. But she pricey though. Just want to know if she worth seeing.[/QUOTE]You are a bit late on that one. All this chicks charging the pornstar fee. LOL.
I remember when she used to give you a good horizontal mambo for just $150 when she was only a dancer at Nicolas.
Times change!
[QUOTE=Darkcat;2803032]You are a bit late on that one. All this chicks charging the pornstar fee. LOL.
I remember when she used to give you a good horizontal mambo for just $150 when she was only a dancer at Nicolas.
Times change![/QUOTE]Yea for real that's the pornstar fee lmao. Bro you talking about Nicolas in Commerce? How long ago she used to work there? And it had to be before her ass and titty implants right? Her daughter badd as hell though
[QUOTE=GimmeMoreHead;2803241]Yea for real that's the pornstar fee lmao. Bro you talking about Nicolas in Commerce? How long ago she used to work there? And it had to be before her ass and titty implants right? Her daughter badd as hell though[/QUOTE]Yeah, the one and only Nicolas.
Believe me she used to look so good all natural. She was a voluptuos girl with curves already, beautiful. 6/7 years ago or so, before full time cock bangnin.
Now she looks to me like a chick from Tijuana in zona norte, with a nice face. Nothing wrong with that but she didn't need any work done IMHO.
Yet again who among us didn't look better a decade ago, right?
But a Grand for that ass, no thanks bro, I'll spank the monkey to the memories!
[QUOTE=Darkcat;2804985]Yeah, the one and only Nicolas.
Believe me she used to look so good all natural. She was a voluptuos girl with curves already, beautiful. 6/7 years ago or so, before full time cock bangnin.
Now she looks to me like a chick from Tijuana in zona norte, with a nice face. Nothing wrong with that but she didn't need any work done IMHO.
Yet again who among us didn't look better a decade ago, right?
But a Grand for that ass, no thanks bro, I'll spank the monkey to the memories![/QUOTE]Yea I seen some pics of her online when she was real young and she didn't have near as big an ass and tits as now. Probably had some work done on face too. I'd fuck her if she was no more than 250 though. Although her ass don't look as fake as Lela Star. That shit looks terrible. I passed after all that screening bullshit she asked me for. I hit up this IG chick / video model who's real sexy but ***** wanted more than Kiara. I swear these chicks think they got GPS and that dudes will pay up whatever they ask.
But Kiara Mia's daughter is so damn fine!! Sexy as hell
You guys crack me up. Been waiting to chime in on the subject and couldn't resist after a couple great reviews by you mongers. I am sick and tired of hitting up some of these "retired" pornstars charging an arm and a leg 1 k+ for their vagina. Seems to me they should be charging a fraction of what they were payed by a studio to get boned on set? Case in point, Sybil Stallone (look her up), a new HOT Brazzers porn chick called me last night (no joke after attaching my contact info) after I sent her an email inquiring about her 'services'. She had no problem telling me her minimum was 2 K /2 hrs and her fees go up from there. Told her I had to think about it but in reality would rather spank it to her new brazzers videos. Why oh why, do pornstars (who are active or retired) think they can charge as an escort the same rate they were getting when on film?!
BTW, fingers crossed Kiara Mia's daughter follows her mommy's footsteps.
Anybody ever get to be with Nina Hartley especially in her prime?
If this is Julianna4 u on HX, I saw her a long time ago when she did doubles with Christina. She looked much younger. Had a few comments that she was kinda mechanical but livier when she did doubles. She a lesbian in real life and is / was "straight for pay" when she is working. So the threesome was great, CBJ, both of them were really into the other, lots of DKF and daty all around. Strap on play between the two of them while getting a BJ. I could say I had a great time. All for the total admission fee of $400 or 450. That alone tells you how long ago that was. Julianna had her first set of implants but not Christina.
[QUOTE=GimmeMoreHead;2802786]Anybody here got info on Kiara Mia? She got an ad up on BP. But she pricey though. Just want to know if she worth seeing.[/QUOTE]
Hello, this girl is hosting for the next few days and I was thinking about checking her out.
Attached is a picture, and you can also google her name and find many images of her.
I like milfs, I like red heads. $. 6 hh.
[URL]http://www.humaniplex.com/profiles/SkyRodgers[/URL]
Anyone have any experience with her?
[QUOTE=Gavon;2808341]You guys crack me up. Been waiting to chime in on the subject and couldn't resist after a couple great reviews by you mongers. I am sick and tired of hitting up some of these "retired" pornstars charging an arm and a leg 1 k+ for their vagina. Seems to me they should be charging a fraction of what they were payed by a studio to get boned on set? Case in point, Sybil Stallone (look her up), a new HOT Brazzers porn chick called me last night (no joke after attaching my contact info) after I sent her an email inquiring about her 'services'. She had no problem telling me her minimum was 2 K /2 hrs and her fees go up from there. Told her I had to think about it but in reality would rather spank it to her new brazzers videos. Why oh why, do pornstars (who are active or retired) think they can charge as an escort the same rate they were getting when on film?!
BTW, fingers crossed Kiara Mia's daughter follows her mommy's footsteps.[/QUOTE]Pornstars do it because they think having been in movies or being known, either thru their fans or just from having films out, is enough to justify their prices. They this k they have fame. Just like the IG girls / video models charge high rates. They think being in music videos or having a ton of followers is enough. They figure all those followers / fans will do anything to spend time with them. And since a lot of them fuck athletes or rappers or both they must get that money. Plus they think they're GOD's gift to man. But there's actually dudes that have paid the rates they ask for. If a couple dudes pay that amount others will too right?? Fuck that ain't no pussy out there worth 1 k lmfao. I don't care how bad a chick is. Most I paid was 250 and this chick was fine as fuck but I still think I overpaid. Shit this video vixen I talked about wanted a 500 deposit plus pay for her hotel, flight, food. That's on top of the other 1500 she wanted. Gtfoh with that shit *****! I'll give it to her she sexy but come on man. For all that money I can get about 50 SW's. Pussy is pussy. Some are just tighter than others. I've fucked fat chicks that had better pussy than some sexy chicks I hit.
[QUOTE=Dmoss;2808499]Anybody ever get to be with Nina Hartley especially in her prime?[/QUOTE]My girlfriend at the time, Eden (also went by Courtney and Nasty Natasha) and I were making a few movies at the time. About 20 years ago. I did a scene with Nina. Smart woman, nice house on Crescent Heights. Those days were crazy but a lot of fun. Did Angela D'Angelo a number of times. Took her to Hawaii for a week where she got her one of her many tattoos. Did Zumira (and still do, she lived with me for 2 years), Zoe Matthews (still do), Brooke Dunn (did a few amateur scenes with her), Tiffany Holiday, CindyLips and. This is a blast from the past. Bunny Bleu. There are more but I've met the intent of this thread. Always had a soft spot for a girl that is willing to get fucked for the world to see. Downside, except for Nina and Eden, they are either not the sharpest knife in the drawer or will take that knife and use it against you when the notion strikes. I had a easy vehicle via Eden to meet these chicks and network. My advice if it matters. If you have to pay a huge premium just because she did a few movies, it's crazy since I've never found a correlation between and great lay and a girl's adult film work.
These girls were on the other website. Young, cute and fun but kind of pricey ($$$ hr).
[QUOTE=Deeez;2814017]These girls were on the other website. Young, cute and fun but kind of pricey ($$$ hr).[/QUOTE]Rating them solely from their looks, they don't register anything above $. 50.
She's an interesting little spinner. She has slimmed down from her porn days. Titties are smaller.
Decent menu for the rate but has a few 'No's'no fiv, Fia, or cim and definitely no greek. One reference says not magnum approved and she is a talker. I can attest to the latter so best clarify that an hour's time is not 15-20 minutes of her talking about this and that.
I may repeat. It may be a comfort-factor for her so once she is comfortable, it may be more PSE.
Was in Japan last week and had the luck of being able to book a date with Amai Shizuku. Man, those are the biggest knockers I've sucked in my life. I was a expensive but worth every penny or should I say yen.
Saw both Chennin Blanc and Queeny Luv a couple weeks ago when they were both in Boston. Very very GFE. Both women gave great BJ's. My only regret is Chennin doesn't do Greek anymore, really wanted to get in that ass.