Because we are not involved in the political process
[quote=johngalt10;1526362]i know it is the law and has to be dealt with. but it is sickening to me the lack of freedom we have in this issue. 2 consenting adults are not permitted if money exchanged. i got into this because it was cheaper and easier than picking up or having affairs with girls at work. i know it is what can be sold to a jury to convict but if one sees those verified on here how does that work? (barring a sting with one of these girls). they don't catch you in the act and even if they did and there was no money with your fingerprints just raising attention to you will get you in deep with any s. o. you may have and probably a game changer. but conviction? how do they know you are not just getting a massage? i don't know the law as to what a jury will convict on. it seems there is a higher risk to the girls for first time visits. if they can convict using the language "known prostitute" just for being in the wrong place we are screwed (no pun intended). this really ticks me off. it is none of their business as long as i am not a nuisance. what if i just paid rent for them and got favors? i know i am preaching to the choir and probably ought to be in rants.[/quote]johngalt: your points are all valid, and i have aired these same sentiments myself, both here and on other boards.
the problem is that virtually *no one* from our side of the fence is actively involved in the political process that could ultimately change the laws. the anti-prostitution forces, meanwhile, regularly write guest columns on cnn. com, appear on talk shows, and bend the ears of politicians. they have framed the issue as "all hobbyists are evil abusers, and all providers are **** slave girls." when was the last time you saw either a provider or a hobbyist countering these points in the public square? it is not that the public is rejecting our arguments. rather, the public is *not even aware* of our arguments.
after the eliot spitzer scandal broke a few years ago, some positive examples of the hobby did appear in the media. for example, brooke taylor of the bunny ranch was interviewed on one of the major networks, and she talked about the money she was making, the freedom, etc. but that was way back in 2008. the public has a short memory; and in the intervening years, the anti-prostitution lobby has intensified its campaign to portray us all as human traffickers. the average joe or jane citizen, who has no first-hand experience of our world, sees only one side of the debate. they draw their conclusions accordingly.
the gay lobby provides a good case study of how a politically dedicated group *can* change the laws. in the 1950s, gays used to focus on "keeping a low profile" and avoiding the police. then in the late 1960s and 70s, they began to agitate for their rights. now the president of the united states publicly defends their right to marry; and demeaning homosexuals is considered to be a hate crime. things were very, very different in 1969, before gays became politically active.
more hobbyists and providers need to engage the legal / political process. up until now, our "people" have been primarily focused on hiding from the law. more of us need to focus on changing it.
The Democratic Party and the Republican Party will never let it happen!
i know we don't talk politics here much but take a long look at the libertarian party and what they stand for and you decide what political party stands for individual freedom.
i don't agree with them completely but i do on this matter. read there platform http://www.lp.org/platform
[quote=todd cincy; 1526448]johngalt: your points are all valid, and i have aired these same sentiments myself, both here and on other boards.
the problem is that virtually *no one* from our side of the fence is actively involved in the political process that could ultimately change the laws. the anti-prostitution forces, meanwhile, regularly write guest columns on cnn. com, appear on talk shows, and bend the ears of politicians. they have framed the issue as "all hobbyists are evil abusers, and all providers are **** slave girls." when was the last time you saw either a provider or a hobbyist countering these points in the public square? it is not that the public is rejecting our arguments. rather, the public is *not even aware* of our arguments.
after the eliot spitzer scandal broke a few years ago, some positive examples of the hobby did appear in the media. for example, brooke taylor of the bunny ranch was interviewed on one of the major networks, and she talked about the money she was making, the freedom, etc. but that was way back in 2008. the public has a short memory; and in the intervening years, the anti-prostitution lobby has intensified its campaign to portray us all as human traffickers. the average joe or jane citizen, who has no first-hand experience of our world, sees only one side of the debate. they draw their conclusions accordingly.
the gay lobby provides a good case study of how a politically dedicated group *can* change the laws. in the 1950s, gays used to focus on "keeping a low profile" and avoiding the police. then in the late 1960s and 70s, they began to agitate for their rights. now the president of the united states publicly defends their right to marry; and demeaning homosexuals is considered to be a hate crime. things were very, very different in 1969, before gays became politically active.
more hobbyists and providers need to engage the legal / political process. up until now, our "people" have been primarily focused on hiding from the law. more of us need to focus on changing it.[/quote]
I can't argue with Randyman
atRandyman: "The problem is that no one in their right mind would actually volunteer to be the face of "the hobby""
There are few voices out there, like Tracy Quan (Google her to learn more) and a handful of other escorts-turned-writers / bloggers. There are also a few activist groups like Coyote, but most of them are active on the West Coast. I have *never* heard of a "john" publicly defending the hobby, or the right to hobby.
As someone else said, unofficial toleration is probably the best hope for the immediate future. Also, your chances of having an LE encounter rise dramatically if you a.) use SWs or be.) reply to random ads on BP (which are risky even without LE issues, because of so many rip-offs.) If you stick with vetted ladies who have a sustained and verified online presence, then the hobby is still reasonably safe.
Still, there is a part of me that bristles at the fact that in 2012, there are actually laws that penalize the private sexual behavior of consenting adults.
Want to see a hobbyist stand up?
[QUOTE=Todd Cincy; 1528997]atRandyman: "The problem is that no one in their right mind would actually volunteer to be the face of "the hobby""
There are few voices out there, like Tracy Quan (Google her to learn more) and a handful of other escorts-turned-writers / bloggers. There are also a few activist groups like Coyote, but most of them are active on the West Coast. I have *never* heard of a "john" publicly defending the hobby, or the right to hobby.
As someone else said, unofficial toleration is probably the best hope for the immediate future. Also, your chances of having an LE encounter rise dramatically if you a.) use SWs or be.) reply to random ads on BP (which are risky even without LE issues, because of so many rip-offs.) If you stick with vetted ladies who have a sustained and verified online presence, then the hobby is still reasonably safe.
Still, there is a part of me that bristles at the fact that in 2012, there are actually laws that penalize the private sexual behavior of consenting adults.[/QUOTE]Tell him you want 300 / hr he will stand up and run away. JK.
But I know a guy for real named. Dave in Phoenix.
He is very out spoken about the hobby his website is [url]http://www.sexwork.com[/url] I think.
He has been leading the way for the right to hobby since I got into this business when I had all me hair and it wasn't grey. LOL
