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[QUOTE=Zaphod II]Sorry for rant guys[/QUOTE]No need to be sorry. It's a good warning, and I can [url=http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=318026&highlight=narcotics#post318026]relate[/url]. The intersection at K & A needs to be carefully and properly negotiated. Even if you enter the intersection on green, it is such a long intersection and the lights are not timed properly, so you risk being in it when the light has turned red. Fortunately they have now installed digital timers that tell you how many seconds before the light will change.

I went to court and the ticket was thrown out. (I'll never know why. Either because the judge could tell it was a narcotics cop giving out a questionable traffic ticket or because I was overly polite to the judge.) If you can take 1/2 day off from work, maybe you can get that $117 back. It's a crap shoot.

[QUOTE=Zaphod II]Well, after years of no problems I finally got stopped by Philly's finest. The kicker is I wasn't even mongering. ....Anyway, after 20 minutes I get a bullshit traffic citation for not signaling when I turned for 117 bucks....Just proves to me that profiling is alive and well in the philly law enforcement scene....Moral of this story, when on the K drive like Joe fucking Citizen.[/QUOTE]Well said and good advice. I've had a couple of similar bogus stops in other cities, one for a "reckless" lane change when all I did was merge onto a freeway and into the traffic lanes. And of course there's the old standby that you've got a defective light like the "critical" one that illuminates your license plate. All part of a monger's preparation I guess. Make sure your paperwork is in order. Buckle your seatbelt or buckle it behind you. Stop on yellow. Come to a stop at stop signs. Signal when turning. Avoid u-turns. And if you've got a SW in your car, the importance of these things becomes magnified. Not that it guarantees anything but when I do have a SW in the car I spend as little time on the main stroll itself as possible.

[QUOTE=Mike 80]And if you've got a SW in your car, the importance of these things becomes magnified. Not that it guaranteees anything but when I do have a SW in the car I spend as little time on the main stroll itself as possible.[/QUOTE]

That is so true. With a girl in the car try staying off of the ave as much as possible. Too easy for a cop sitting at the corner to see a girl he recognizes and pull you over. I try getting out of "Dodge" as quickly as I can once I make a pick-up. Also the streets around Somerset and Cambria are other areas to get away from as quickly as possible if you have a sw'er in your car.

Remember cops will follow the path of least resistance. We are an easy target and they don't have to fear having a gun put in there face. If they chase down the crazy people driving on the ave, their risk is greater. The news media wonders why crime has gotten so out of hand, if the cops just went after the real problems consistently maybe they could make a dent in the crime rate the city has. But until "Phillies Finest Assholes" stop going after dumb stuff that's never going to happen.

[QUOTE=Mike 80] Buckle your seatbelt or buckle it behind you. [/QUOTE]


Now that you say that, I guess I can thank my luck stars they didn't fine me for that too, as neither one of us was wearing one.

Duke, I actually considered fighting it, but the more I think about it in a time vs. money vs. aggravation kinda way, and I hate to say this cause this is what they want you to say, I'd rather just pay the f'ing thing and call it day. I really hate giving in like that but the odds of beating are 50/50 at best.

Well on a good note my friend felt bad I got the ticket looking for her BF and gave me a freebie on the way home so, that helps a bit.

Thanks for the tips guys

Z

[QUOTE=Zaphod II]Now that you say that, I guess I can thank my luck stars they didn't fine me for that too, as neither one of us was wearing one.

Duke, I actually considered fighting it, but the more I think about it in a time vs. money vs. aggravation kinda way, and I hate to say this cause this is what they want you to say, I'd rather just pay the f'ing thing and call it day. I really hate giving in like that but the odds of beating are 50/50 at best.

Well on a good note my friend felt bad I got the ticket looking for her BF and gave me a freebie on the way home so, that helps a bit.

Thanks for the tips guys

Z[/QUOTE]

Hi,


A few things, 1- You may want to fight it even if you don't win you can avoid points on your license and insurance surcharges. 2- her looking for her bf might have been a drug run and you may have been lucky. Think about it twice in the future if she got drugs off some guy and had it in your car you could have been screwed. Its your choice but think about the risk. Just my 2 cents worth.

[QUOTE=Zaphod II]...

Next thing I know there's a paddy wagon behind me pulling me over. So we do the usual, license, registration, yadda yadda, now we play 20 questions. As I said we are actually good friends so we know things like each others last names and where we live and so on....

So all said and done, they run her record, fortunately for her (and me) no warrants, but the usual BS "have you ever been arrested" WTF you just ran her ID through the f'ing computer you know she has.

Anyway, after 20 minutes I get a bullshit traffic citation for not signaling when I turned for 117 bucks. And we all know if "she" had not been in the car they probably would never had bothered stopping me. Anyone who has ever driven down there know it's the wild wild west. Guys pulling up on your right then blowing through red lights, cars with limo tint on all 4 windows, U turns...etc it's a free for all with the traffic laws. But god forbid I have someone in my car who way be a prostitute, call the national guard.

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[QUOTE=Sam Iam]...
2- her looking for her bf might have been a drug run and you may have been lucky. Think about it twice in the future if she got drugs off some guy and had it in your car you could have been screwed. Its your choice but think about the risk...
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Not trying to stir any shit, or start a debate here, but keep these Rights in mind:

Association with criminals, by proximity, conversation, or companionship is insufficient to support Probable Cause to arrest. [size=-2]< US v Munoz, 738 F.Supp 800, (1990) >[/size]

It is not a crime simply to travel with, even knowingly, someone who is carrying drugs. [size=-2]< US v Teffera, 985 F2d 1082 (1993) >[/size]

Mere presence/association with a possessor of contraband is insufficient to establish possession on my part. [size=-2]< US v Garcia, 983 F2d 1160 (1993) >[/size]

[i]Even if a guest in your vehicle has drugs[/i] on them,[i] you cannot be held responsible. Of course, if they hide them in your car, ie, they are not physically on their person, then that is a different story.[/i]

I may refuse to provide the police ID or information. [size=-2]< US v Brown 731 F2d 1491 (1984); Moya v US, 761 F2d 322 (1985); Brown v Texas, 443v US 47 (1979) >[/size]

Officer's questions must relate to the purpose of the the stop, or detention of the driver is unreasonable. [size=-2]< US v Barahona, 990 F2d (1993) >[/size]

Of course, always use your best judgment when dealing with Uncle LEO, and do your best to end the encounter ASAP.

Wallie

[size=-2][color=red][b]NOTE:[/b]I am not an attorney, and this is not legal advise.[/size][/color]

I get to Philly quite a bit and stay at the Airport Towers. My usual stomping grounds are South Broad and 7th/Oregon. Everyone talks about the K but I can't find the friggin' avenue. Help a guy out and let me know how to get there.

[QUOTE=G Malav]I get to Philly quite a bit and stay at the Airport Towers. My usual stomping grounds are South Broad and 7th/Oregon. Everyone talks about the K but I can't find the friggin' avenue. Help a guy out and let me know how to get there.[/QUOTE]Go to South Broad and turn right (south). Go nearly to the end, past the stadiums on your left, and look for signs to Interstate 95 NORTH. Take I-95 north to the Allegheny Avenue exit (next one after the Girard Avenue exit). You'll need to take a couple of left turns to get to Allegheny Avenue. Turn right on Allegheny (west) and go 1 mile to Kensington Avenue...you can't miss it...there's an elevated train track.

The action lately has been south of this intersection, and you can drive all the way (1 mile) to Girard Avenue to seek it. This would be a left turn from Allegheny onto Kensington (the K), which is illegal. Don't risk it, but rather drive on a bit and do a creative U-turn on Allegheny back to the K, and then make a right. Follow the el tracks all the way...there is a bend to the left onto Front Street, and you should then follow Front to Girard.

There is also some action if you take a right turn from Allegheny onto the K and go north, all the way up to Erie-Torresdale Avenue. Again, you will be under the el tracks all the way. If you turn right on Torresdale, you can take a break at the famous Dunkin Donuts 1/2 block on the right. (Famous for what? Creative graffiti in the unisex bathroom, brunette Kate and blonde Gina, good coffee, and maybe a glimpse of Davey1965 chatting up one of his 5,648 girl friends ;))

Good luck, and we look forward to your report.

[QUOTE=Wallie]Not trying to stir any shit, or start a debate here, but keep these Rights in mind:

Association with criminals, by proximity, conversation, or companionship is insufficient to support Probable Cause to arrest. [size=-2]< US v Munoz, 738 F.Supp 800, (1990) >[/size]

It is not a crime simply to travel with, even knowingly, someone who is carrying drugs. [size=-2]< US v Teffera, 985 F2d 1082 (1993) >[/size]

Mere presence/association with a possessor of contraband is insufficient to establish possession on my part. [size=-2]< US v Garcia, 983 F2d 1160 (1993) >[/size]

[i]Even if a guest in your vehicle has drugs[/i] on them,[i] you cannot be held responsible. Of course, if they hide them in your car, ie, they are not physically on their person, then that is a different story.[/i]

I may refuse to provide the police ID or information. [size=-2]< US v Brown 731 F2d 1491 (1984); Moya v US, 761 F2d 322 (1985); Brown v Texas, 443v US 47 (1979) >[/size]

Officer's questions must relate to the purpose of the the stop, or detention of the driver is unreasonable. [size=-2]< US v Barahona, 990 F2d (1993) >[/size]

Of course, always use your best judgment when dealing with Uncle LEO, and do your best to end the encounter ASAP.

Wallie

[size=-2][color=red][b]NOTE:[/b]I am not an attorney, and this is not legal advise.[/size][/color][/QUOTE]


Not at all Wallie, in fact you make a good point, the reason for the stop as I was told by the officer was "failure to signal prior to turning". Now keeping that in mind the other officer on the other side of the vehicle asked my friend for her ID and begins questioning her about what were doing there, what was my name, and so on, none of which has anything whatsoever to do with the traffic stop. She has no drugs on her, I know this for a fact, nor does she do drugs any longer.

The points you lay out are absolutely true, and perhaps if I pointed all that out to the Judge I may actually stand a chance of having to whole damn thing thrown out, but I would guess she would have to appear in court as well as a witness to this.

My sense of principal really compels me to want to fight it, but if I lose I believe I would incurred court costs on top of everything and somehow it just does not seem worth the trouble.

But you guys really make some good points, again that is why I raise the profiling issue. What I failed to say before was the officer who stopped me did so AFTER he pulled up next to me on the right at the light, waited for me to go then got back behind me again and flipped on the lights.

Anyway, lets just put this to bed. Thanks all for the posts.

Z

After another visit to “the K”, I want to share my observations.

It was a nice Sunday afternoon. The weather was no longer summery but not cold yet either. I drove up and down the strip for hours from noonish till after dark. Looking, observing. I saw easily two dozen SWs in total. Some I saw only once, many others were out for a long time or were out a few times over the course of the afternoon.

The K is a stroll unlike the others I have visited.

These were all younger white girls. Very few were 30 or older. Mostly they were average looking with just a few skanks here and there. No body piercing was evident and no tattoos either except on one. A few were really cute young things (no kids, mind you, but youthful). There were SWs out at all hours that I was there although there were more after dusk. If you know how to spot an SW, you know what I mean that they were all passively available. Only one or two actively waved or spoke to me before I stopped and rolled down my window. On the K, it seemed to me that every one I talked to was pleasant. They were here and there but almost never more than two together. No obvious pimps around.

Now here is what struck me. I also know NYC and Atlantic City. There are major differences in how they dress and act. On the K they are in street clothes. No miniskirts, no hot pants, no “fuck me” boots. Only one or two were in tight jeans. Many wore sweat pants and sweat shirts.

In NYC (where there is no longer any real stroll left) back in the days when they were out there, the SWs often clustered together, pimps hug out within a few feet, they were mostly BSWs and almost everyone was dressed as an obvious hooker. Many were dolled up and drop dead gorgeous. There was never any doubt what they were up to on the street. They not only dressed the part, but they were actively waving, hailing, even blocking traffic. Many showed so much skin that it was like a strip show just to drive those strolls.
In AC, (again, in the past year, the AC stroll has all but disappeared) they used to cluster and dressed the part, there were at least equally as many WSWs as BSWs but no waving or stopping traffic. They just made themselves very obvious and available.

Now, price is another major difference.
In NYC, they asked more than I’d spend for dinner with drinks in a high-end restaurant. And they were nasty to boot. Few were affordable except in the outer boros where the less attractive ones hung out.
I’m not as familiar with AC prices, but I can tell you they were very negotiable. On the K you can get anything you want for the price of, well, how do we put this? You can fill their tank for less than it costs to fill your tank these days. In fact, it seems you can about name your own price (within reason).

So here's the UP-side. The K is still a very active stroll with a lot of variety and bargain basement pricing with WSWs who do not seems like they hate you. But, to me, the DOWN-side is that it doesn’t LOOK like a stroll. DAMN!! I miss the strip shows that used to be on the streets of NYC and AC. But, then, maybe that is why NYC and AC are gone. If its obvious, it gets attention and gets swept away. Whereas you can drive the K for hours and, if you don’t know what you are looking at, you won’t even see it.

– Forth Ryte

Well I've been going to the Patio for a long, long time now and never a problem inside outside or with any of my vehicles parked in the area. Always felt safe around there. Until yesterday.....

Spent a nice time with one of my favorite girls there and when we were leaving I caught out of the corner of my eye LE in the suuth bound lane of US1 pacing us as we walked toward the car. At first glance thought it was my imagination, but then I saw him looking dead at us. Just about then I told my date to walk past my car until he was out of site. Just as we did that we lost site of his vehicle traveling north, so we quickly got into my vehicle. As soon as the passenger door closed and I went around to get in, I saw the cruiser making a u-turn thru the center grass median. At that point I told my date to not ask questions and to walk down C street and I'd pick her up.

Just as she walked away the cruiser slowed down near my parked car, looked at me and then made a right on the little street before the Patio. I started my car, went to Boudinot and hung a right to go around the block, once on C street I found my date walking and pulled into a parking spot. As soon as this happened he again pulled next to me, my date realizing what was happening just kept walking. I then went to the little store on the corner and grabbed a Pepsi. Coming out I called my date and told her to just keep walking and I would catch up with her in a few blocks. Well made a right on US1 north, down to Whitaker and next thing you know I almost got rammed by one patrol car and other came and blocked me in. (Jeez I must be dangerous..LoL) The cop came to my window and asked for my paperwork and what I was doing in the Patio. Told him I wasn't in the Patio but visiting a local and coming back to my car. We went back and forth on this one a few times and then they asked if I would consent to a vehicle search. Having nothing to hide and wanting to get out of there I said yes. They then asked me to sit in the back of the cruiser and about that time a paddy wagon comes along. For about 15 minutes they went through my car, found nothing, came back and told me I could leave. While getting back in my car the second officer on the scene motioned me to roll down my window and said we're watching that place..

Now on another note I didn't mention from last week, I went to the Patio with a girl who spent more time running around the hotel pissing the front desk guy off than in the room with me. What was she doing ? Uh can you say buying dope from a room upstairs and then some rock from someone else downstairs. So maybe there is some drug trade going on there and when they didn't nail me with a girl, they may have thought I was going there for a buy.

Either way be careful on rendevous to the Patio.

I always used say that if I was a cop I could just hang outside the Patio and make all kinds of drug busts and warrant busts. But on the other hand, I also thought that even though the use of the Patio is well known, I figured LE always left it alnone figuring, bettter to have the hookers in motels than dropping condoms on peoples sidewalks. Hope this doesn't become a trend with Phila LE, watching the Patio.

Have to find some new local houses to go to instead. Used to know of a few but like everything else in the area, things change.

Davey... I've been out of country (indonesia) for almost a year and just return to philly area last week and will be here for at lease a few months before my company sent me back out again. Anyway, first thing is to check out the scene in K and cmd and found your disturbing news on patio. that's going on men..??!!

I've been getting royal VIP treatment at Jarkata every other day for the same street price!! $50-60 for 3-4 hours session. But once a while I misses the good old USA white meat.

Maybe one day I can organized a monger trip to Indonesia with you fellow hobbies.

[QUOTE=Davey1965]Well I've been going to the Patio for a long, long time now and never a problem inside outside or with any of my vehicles parked in the area. Always felt safe around there. Until yesterday.....

Spent a nice time with one of my favorite girls there and when we were leaving I caught out of the corner of my eye LE in the suuth bound lane of US1 pacing us as we walked toward the car. At first glance thought it was my imagination, but then I saw him looking dead at us. Just about then I told my date to walk past my car until he was out of site. Just as we did that we lost site of his vehicle traveling north, so we quickly got into my vehicle. As soon as the passenger door closed and I went around to get in, I saw the cruiser making a u-turn thru the center grass median. At that point I told my date to not ask questions and to walk down C street and I'd pick her up.

Just as she walked away the cruiser slowed down near my parked car, looked at me and then made a right on the little street before the Patio. I started my car, went to Boudinot and hung a right to go around the block, once on C street I found my date walking and pulled into a parking spot. As soon as this happened he again pulled next to me, my date realizing what was happening just kept walking. I then went to the little store on the corner and grabbed a Pepsi. Coming out I called my date and told her to just keep walking and I would catch up with her in a few blocks. Well made a right on US1 north, down to Whitaker and next thing you know I almost got rammed by one patrol car and other came and blocked me in. (Jeez I must be dangerous..LoL) The cop came to my window and asked for my paperwork and what I was doing in the Patio. Told him I wasn't in the Patio but visiting a local and coming back to my car. We went back and forth on this one a few times and then they asked if I would consent to a vehicle search. Having nothing to hide and wanting to get out of there I said yes. They then asked me to sit in the back of the cruiser and about that time a paddy wagon comes along. For about 15 minutes they went through my car, found nothing, came back and told me I could leave. While getting back in my car the second officer on the scene motioned me to roll down my window and said we're watching that place..

Now on another note I didn't mention from last week, I went to the Patio with a girl who spent more time running around the hotel pissing the front desk guy off than in the room with me. What was she doing ? Uh can you say buying dope from a room upstairs and then some rock from someone else downstairs. So maybe there is some drug trade going on there and when they didn't nail me with a girl, they may have thought I was going there for a buy.

Either way be careful on rendevous to the Patio.

I always used say that if I was a cop I could just hang outside the Patio and make all kinds of drug busts and warrant busts. But on the other hand, I also thought that even though the use of the Patio is well known, I figured LE always left it alnone figuring, bettter to have the hookers in motels than dropping condoms on peoples sidewalks. Hope this doesn't become a trend with Phila LE, watching the Patio.

Have to find some new local houses to go to instead. Used to know of a few but like everything else in the area, things change.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the heads up, what is scary is that once I had a woman in my car who I knew and we used to hit a similar motel. I thought she didn't have anything on her and one day, the morning after we had been out, I found a rock on the floor of my car. It was almost under the seat. good thing no one else saw it. Anytime we do this one has to keep their heads up and be alert, glad your ok. Be Safe

[QUOTE=Davey1965]Well I've been going to the Patio for a long, long time now and never a problem inside outside or with any of my vehicles parked in the area. Always felt safe around there. Until yesterday. [/QUOTE]I was just at the Patio the other day with a date, the place was full, so we sat in my car on the side street next to the place waiting for a room to get unoccupied, and damned if I didn't experience a sudden and eerie feeling about how precariously exposed I was and that LE could really fuck with denizens of the Patio if they were duly motivated.

Just as this feeling struck me, like some sort of creepy synchronicity, a PPD cruiser slowly passed on the inner northbound lane of the Roosevelt, and I'm thinking--no, hoping--this shit doesn't escalate and ruin my chance to get some ass. Moreover, this girl I was with had a prior prostie charge, so it wasn't like I could lie and say she and I were just a couple of goody-two-shoe civilians having a cheap quickie assignation at this fleabag notel. Furthermore, it occured to me my date could be holding contraband of the sort that could make things a bit dicey. Luckily, the cruiser kept going and didn't stop. I'm not the sort to panic, but I must admit I calculated every move I could possibly make had the cruiser stopped and rousted me and my date.

And here that feeling of paranoia was justified by grand master monger Davey1965's experience a few days after mine. Of course, Davey was as cool as they come and handled it all like the grand master he is!

I hadn't frequented the Patio in nearly two years prior to last Saturday, and as some of you know from a previous post I have been skittish about mongering in general, so this really makes my paranoia even more intense.

I do not recall anyone ever reporting they were rousted at the Patio or Carlyle prior to Davey1965's post. Is this true or have I been remiss in RTFF?

[QUOTE=CenterCityDude]I do not recall anyone ever reporting they were rousted at the Patio or Carlyle prior to Davey1965's post. Is this true or have I been remiss in RTFF?[/QUOTE]Never rousted at either place, and I've used both for many years. But I did observe a couple who had exited the Patio being stopped and questioned by the Philadelphia Police in [url=http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=457732&highlight=floppy+patio#post457732]this[/url] 2006 report. I fled the scene. In retrospect, I think the girl being questioned was Jewels (of luscious tits and crazy hats fame), so if you see her you can ask what line of questioning the police used.

Although rousting would be a nightmare for all of us, the odds of its happening are low. I think we're all in agreement here that the cops are after drugs, not johns.