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I always ask each SW the "are you a cop" question and they ask me. I also know that the answer has no berring on one's defense in the event that the other is in fact a cop. Cops will lie, their answer does not constitute entrapment. So here is my question (if it should be posted elsewhere let me know, I can't find it).
The 22 rules say nothing about the "checks" to help prevent you from being busted once you pickup a SW. Intuition helps but what works for you? Us juniors would like to learn.
[QUOTE=Niceguy Dayton] The 22 rules say nothing about the "checks" to help prevent you from being busted once you pickup a SW. Intuition helps but what works for you? Us juniors would like to learn.[/QUOTE]For me I obey rules #1, Intuition a close second. Other than that, I try to be aware the area. I scout the area before go in for the pickup. (ie. idle cruzers, unmarked's, PD wagons parked on side streets). After the pickup I small talk till im sure im not being tailed. I never touch her or expose myself until she passes my checks. I usually go for the canned "are you a cop?" then "Prove it". When she raises her top, or unzips I'm looking for wires, rashes, drugs, cleaness, & judging how coporitive she will be later. When It comes to $ i treat it like escort transactions I never hand it directly to them. I let them pick it up.
Female cops don't get in the car; they talk thru the window and ask you what you want or do you want a date? From outside the car they will solicit you with sexual questions. The correct answer is always NO; and drive off. If it's a sting you'll pick up a tail for a few blocks and may be stopped for a BS thing. But if you're legal you'll be released with a stern warning about being in a high crime and hooker neighborhood. I always thank the cops for their information and concern for my safety. Be safe and good hunting. MW
[QUOTE=Niceguy Dayton]I always ask each SW the "are you a cop" question and they ask me. I also know that the answer has no berring on one's defense in the event that the other is in fact a cop. Cops will lie, their answer does not constitute entrapment. So here is my question (if it should be posted elsewhere let me know, I can't find it).
The 22 rules say nothing about the "checks" to help prevent you from being busted once you pickup a SW. Intuition helps but what works for you? Us juniors would like to learn.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mw Jrp]Female cops don't get in the car; they talk thru the window and ask you what you want or do you want a date? From outside the car they will solicit you with sexual questions. The correct answer is always NO; and drive off. If it's a sting you'll pick up a tail for a few blocks and may be stopped for a BS thing. But if you're legal you'll be released with a stern warning about being in a high crime and hooker neighborhood. I always thank the cops for their information and concern for my safety. Be safe and good hunting. MW[/QUOTE]
Good advice, but I recall reading in some other threads where the decoy cop ladies will now get in a car with the 'customer'. It is unusual as it puts the officer in more danger than they normally care for, BUT...
Seems that those folks who are out to 'protect and to serve' will do just about anything to make a case these days. Even to the point of allowing male officers to have sex with a 'prostitute' to make the case.
Intuition is still your best protection. It if does not feel right, drive on. MW is right about any lady not wanting to get into your car. She may be LE or she may be working, but I'd not stay stopped in any area where ladies do their business for too long. Draws too much attention.
Seva is right. It's extremely unusual for a female decoy to get into a car. Most places won't do it because it jeapordizes officer safety. That's very key in most major LE departments. They won't do it because the potential for someone getting hurt or injured is just too high. It's also not just about officer safety but to avoid potential line of duty injury lawsuits as well.
They (the decoy) will always ask you many questions or ask you to go around the corner to meet them. However, some departments may be taking chances if there are safeguards in place that will reduce the chance of the decoy getting hurt. They may be carrying a small backup weapon (to include pepper spray) and/or have a "crash team" in place that will take care of a situation if it happens.
Just because they may be LE doesn't always mean they are ethical in how they make their busts. They may be given a certain amount of latitude by their Chief and local DA as to how much they can do to make the arrest in their city. I'll finish this post later. Better half came home early.
Fly low, be cool and always check your six.
Mw is also right. If it is a sting and you talked with their decoy but did not go around the corner to pick her up, "count on a tail" out of the area. They will pull you over for a variety of reasons. Most of them chickensh_t. This way they can get your info and also let you know that LE is watching. You may also be intimidated by them and make some type of verbal slip that will allow them to go further with the traffic stop.
That's why if you're going out mongering or hobbying as some call it, make sure there is nothing wrong with your vehicle. That's not in the 22 rules but I know it to be true. LE will look for any reason to pull you over so make sure your vehicle does not give them any reason.
If anything on your vehicle is not working, don't go out. If you've been drinking, don't go out. Would you like to risk a DUI as well?
I know that will be difficult for some especially if we've been out to strip clubs in the area. However, when clubs are open, LE will make up reasons to pull someone over so don't give them any. Especially if it's a known area for SW and it's late at night and they have nothing else to do.
One other thing not listed in the 22 rules is if you see LE anywhere, it's time to go home. You cannot circle the area and hope not to get seen again. Unless you have a very good reason to be there, it's time to go.
Fly low, be cool and always check your six.
Laura. Met her a block south of 3rd near the defunct Chicken Louie's. Nice petite spinner with a good attitude. She hasn't been on the streets long enough to loose the correlation between the quality of her service and the quantitly of my tip. Anyway, we had a car date and did cbj. I was able to recline the seat of my van and really get comfortable. She was between my legs and really earned her money. The interesting point in this diatribe is that durring the BJ I was repeatedly distracted by the back of her throat hitting the head of my little man. Not being particularly well endowed, this was a new sensation to me. Maybe she was playing me, but I double her tip just for the bragging rights.
Be safe.
Seems to me the local police go thru a LOT of trouble and tax payer money to Make a solicitation arrest.
Recent visitors to 2nd Street Motel.
Came across this story in Dayton today.
Thought you all should know.
[url]http://www.whiotv.com/news/19031712/detail.html[/url]
Harpo2U
[QUOTE=Harpo2u]Came across this story in Dayton today.
Thought you all should know.
[url]http://www.whiotv.com/news/19031712/detail.html[/url]
Harpo2U[/QUOTE]Interesting. 41 out of how many? What are their names? I guarantee you they all got it from sharing needles or butt sex rather than vaginal sex. The headline has shock value, but the article itself has zero substance.
Just a question. Is there a place to find out which SW are HIV positive? Does Montgomery County or PD have a posting located somewhere that can be reviewed by the general public. It would be a valued bit of info to pass on to all hobbiest. If anyone knows. Please post for all to review.
Called her a couple days ago to make an appointment for today and we hooked up at my room for BBBJ, DFK, RCG, CFS mish & K-9 finish with her working the boys. Since the streets are hot she and most of the gals are staying off them and working phones. Seniors pm me for digits if interested.
Bree is an absolute doll and a very determined SP. She put on some weight and has filled out better. Her saggy B's are fuller now. I donated .80 to her cause, but she offered a discount on a second session later this week. I have a pic to upload when I can, later on. It was taken right after I busted my nut in her K9. Inspite of the inviting brown eye, she does not do anal; about everything else is probaly on the menue.
Inspite of Harpo's article, I did roll Xenia 3 times today and saw absolutely nothing. In fact Xenia has been dry for the past 2 years. But maybe some of the gals scattered over there from the familiar streets, during last month weed and seed blitz.
Be safe and good hunting. MW
[QUOTE=Harpo2u]Came across this story in Dayton today.
Thought you all should know.
[url]http://www.whiotv.com/news/19031712/detail.html[/url]
Harpo2U[/QUOTE]
"Officials will also be sending warning letters to registered owners of vehicles that are seen loitering in high prostitution locations."
This seems a bit strange. They're gonna send letters to the owners of vehicles seen in the area? What if they send some of these letters to the owners of vehicles that were doing something in the area that was entirely innocent? If they are sure someone is "loitering" why don't they pull over the person and issue a loitering ticket? What exactly will be their criteria for choosing which cars they consider to be "loitering"? What I'm saying is, this seems to be a plan to do things to people who they don't have enough evience against to actually issue a ticket to or arrest.
[QUOTE=Francis123]"Officials will also be sending warning letters to registered owners of vehicles that are seen loitering in high prostitution locations."
This seems a bit strange. They're gonna send letters to the owners of vehicles seen in the area? What if they send some of these letters to the owners of vehicles that were doing something in the area that was entirely innocent? If they are sure someone is "loitering" why don't they pull over the person and issue a loitering ticket? What exactly will be their criteria for choosing which cars they consider to be "loitering"? What I'm saying is, this seems to be a plan to do things to people who they don't have enough evience against to actually issue a ticket to or arrest.[/QUOTE]I thought the same thing but I also wonder if it's all to embarrass and intimidate you. Also who is going to write the letters? LEO or some community group in the neighborhood? If LEO sees you picking up a girl won't they stop you and arrest you. They have been in Middletown this past week. Too many questions.
Also if there are that many girls who are HIV positive and they'll out soliciting then if LEO sees them on the streets they have to be arrested on the spot?
I don't know of any source to check who is HIV positive or not because that information is confidential. Now if you know the girls name then you might get an idea if she is by checking her arrest record in Dayton. If she is HIV positive and the courts know that then that could show up on the report.
Best to check the girls themselves and ask around other people if they know their habits.
Harpo2U