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[QUOTE=Anonyminn;4727904][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7a08a23b-bd81-457d-b044-7be65f39f63c[/URL]

She's a grifter. Don't let her out of your sight.

Age (older than stated), smoking status, and photo are inaccurate (slender, but no longer super thin).

You've been warned.[/QUOTE]Can you tell me what happened? I have been with her and her older sister (21 and 18 respectively) for three different threesomes and never had a problem. Honestly the one you note here I am much more attracted too. Did she not allow you to have vaginal sex with her? Is that the problem because I know she has done that to various people. Not arguing with you or debating what you said was true. I just trying to understand so I know whether to cut them off. Good luck.

[QUOTE=LoveToTravel19;4734762]Can you tell me what happened? I have been with her and her older sister (21 and 18 respectively) for three different threesomes and never had a problem. Honestly the one you note here I am much more attracted too. Did she not allow you to have vaginal sex with her? Is that the problem because I know she has done that to various people. Not arguing with you or debating what you said was true. I just trying to understand so I know whether to cut them off. Good luck.[/QUOTE]

I'm glossing over details here as not to violate forum rules. I will say though, she smelled like an ashtray. She also has strabismus (is cross-eyed); had I seen that in a face pic ahead of time, it would have given me pause.

The one I met is currently 22 and has a sister about three years younger, matching the profile age. (I didn't learn about the sister until afterward.) Interesting that they do threesomes. Is the younger one on SA? Or perhaps they share a profile -- in the lone profile pic, the face is obscured, and it may explain why she wasn't as thin as expected.

Anything more specific I can say about her would likely violate forum rules, so I'll stop here. Sorry.

[QUOTE=Anonyminn;4735264]I'm glossing over details here as not to violate forum rules. I will say though, she smelled like an ashtray. She also has strabismus (is cross-eyed); had I seen that in a face pic ahead of time, it would have given me pause.

The one I met is currently 22 and has a sister about three years younger, matching the profile age. (I didn't learn about the sister until afterward.) Interesting that they do threesomes. Is the younger one on SA? Or perhaps they share a profile -- in the lone profile pic, the face is obscured, and it may explain why she wasn't as thin as expected.

Anything more specific I can say about her would likely violate forum rules, so I'll stop here. Sorry.[/QUOTE]DM me but yes you probably got the older sister not the younger one. Yes the older one smokes but the younger one doesn't. The older one has been around the block many many many times but the younger one is fresh and has issues sexually but very sweet.

Similar experience with her. GPS for sure. Everything was going well until it was time to meet and then she flaked.

[QUOTE=BorderTraveler;4728118]SBABYYY69.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0710229e-ad4d-434f-93b5-d7497ef3262d[/URL]

Things seemed to be progressing well and quickly with this one. We moved to text and agreed on an amount, she was hitting the GPS area. Doing some research I was confident she was legit and pics should really be her. Worked on scheduling something and then she tells me she really needs this as she is living out of her car and was in a car accident. Well idk about you guys but I won't be seeing anyone living out of their car. I understand people go through rough patches for varying reasons but that's not what I am looking for. Told her that was a no go and she went off on a texting tirad.
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I'm getting ready to jump into the SB world a bit finally, and have a good understanding of how it works (thanks for the tips Quantum Flux). My S. O. likes the idea of me getting a SB, and is fairly OK with her coming the house. That said, I wanted to check with everyone and see if the experienced folk her tend to see SBs at hotels (or their place), or at your own home? I wouldn't bring an escort to my house (I'm a big fan of discretion and no drama), but I thought it might be less of a concern with SBs. Obviously there is always some risk, but I was hoping to get experiences from people on the forum. Thanks!

[QUOTE=MinnyMassage;4740123]I'm getting ready to jump into the SB world a bit finally, and have a good understanding of how it works (thanks for the tips Quantum Flux). My S. O. likes the idea of me getting a SB, and is fairly OK with her coming the house. That said, I wanted to check with everyone and see if the experienced folk her tend to see SBs at hotels (or their place), or at your own home? I wouldn't bring an escort to my house (I'm a big fan of discretion and no drama), but I thought it might be less of a concern with SBs. Obviously there is always some risk, but I was hoping to get experiences from people on the forum. Thanks![/QUOTE]FWIW, I typically have two encounters at a hotel before moving to my place or hers. That's enough time in my experience to 1) evaluate whether they're stable enough to invite into my home and 2) assess our long-term potential. I much prefer taking SBs in my own bed for reasons of cost, comfort and convenience.

If you have an upper-bracket home however, you need to be especially discerning about whom you bring over and when. I always hammer out arrangements beforehand to prevent movement of the goal posts based on their perception of my net worth. That said, bringing them home for the first time is usually a positive experience as they discover that I'm not a paper tiger.

Also FWIW, in looking for someone stable enough to bring home, I stick to SBs with at least a four-year degree or those enrolled in a four-year program. On SA, the contrast between this group and those with less educational attainment is strong in my experience, with more drama surrounding the less formally educated. (More ghosting, fewer coping skills, less respect for boundaries, poorer sexual health, etc.) It's not foolproof, but educational attainment is an easy way to sort the crowd into safer and riskier bets IMO.

Hi yall,

New to this forum and to the whole idea of being a SD looking for SB, but I'm a veteran when it comes to the escort game. Quite frankly, I'm getting a bit tired of the escort options in the area and looking to get some exposure to new girls through SA, specifically a FWB situation that I can rotate through. My first impression is that girls on SA are definitely prettier than your average escort, but after reading through this forum is it as cost / time effective as an escort? Reason being is that it seems you have to sink quite a bit of time into garnering a relationship (or at least attempt to) with some of these girls for them to feel comfortable with intimacy.

With all of this in mind, I have a few questions that hopefully some of you can help with! Thanks in advance!

1. How long does it take for you to close with girls on SA, especially ones that are down with being FWB? 2nd meetup, 3rd, etc. ?

2. Do you typically have to book a hotel or has your SB provided a location?

3. Do you usually specify via text upfront that it will be a PPM situation and has that been successful?

4. Standard price for each meetup for let's say a girl that is rated 6-8? Right now I'm paying roughly 80 - 150 for q. V. Or hrr with escorts. How often does your time last with SB's? A few hours or is it a quick PPM session?

5. I definitely see a lot of spam and fake accounts so how often have you been flaked on or been cat fished by these women?

[QUOTE=PhillipPlein;4742557]Hi yall,

New to this forum and to the whole idea of being a SD looking for SB, but I'm a veteran when it comes to the escort game. Quite frankly, I'm getting a bit tired of the escort options in the area and looking to get some exposure to new girls through SA, specifically a FWB situation that I can rotate through. My first impression is that girls on SA are definitely prettier than your average escort, but after reading through this forum is it as cost / time effective as an escort? Reason being is that it seems you have to sink quite a bit of time into garnering a relationship (or at least attempt to) with some of these girls for them to feel comfortable with intimacy.

With all of this in mind, I have a few questions that hopefully some of you can help with! Thanks in advance!

1. How long does it take for you to close with girls on SA, especially ones that are down with being FWB? 2nd meetup, 3rd, etc. ?

2. Do you typically have to book a hotel or has your SB provided a location?

3. Do you usually specify via text upfront that it will be a PPM situation and has that been successful?

4. Standard price for each meetup for let's say a girl that is rated 6-8? Right now I'm paying roughly 80 - 150 for q. V. Or hrr with escorts. How often does your time last with SB's? A few hours or is it a quick PPM session?

5. I definitely see a lot of spam and fake accounts so how often have you been flaked on or been cat fished by these women?[/QUOTE]Welcome the bowl. In hearing answers keep experience in mind, of course, as you might imagine, my initial contact to smacking ass time window has gotten a lot shorter over the years. But you really have to cast a wide net, you might contact 50 women, and end up with 1 or 2 dinner dates total. There's no doubt, there's considerably more footwork, and you have to remember these are not pro's, they usually want some type of connection, doesn't have to be deep bonding shit, but if you can schmooze a bit, find some little way to connect with them, the quality is SO much better than Escort world, imo. I have had sooo many encounters I NEVER would have been able to have in the escort world.

1. Depends. I usually will zero in on the ones that I get a good feel will take 2 meetups tops before boogie down productions start, but there are exceptions for the true rated 9's and 10's, those I will give some leeway of a few dates. But status quo is a meet and greet dinner or coffee or something, and plan 2nd meetup where party starts. I've had a fair number that we went back to my place right after dinner, but usually it's 2nd date. You want that meet and greet every time, though, that's your time to assess their crazy level. As Anonyminn pointed out, before you bring them to your place, got to get a solid feel of crazy to hotness ratio.

2. I typically bring them to my home.

And expanding to cover MinnyMassage's question too, I think you just have to judge yourself your concern with what your neighbors might think of you if they thought something was up, but as far as legally, this is all legal, so they can suck rocks from that angle. I'm a single dad, have my child 50/50, and hate my neighbors anyway, so I meet up with my SBs on my free nights at my place. I live in a pretty average unassuming, middle class neighborhood. Little bit rednecky as I'm out in far burbs, so maybe that helps everyone to mind their own business, but been doing this 5 ish years and never had an issue, most of the time with a rotation of 2-3 SBs. I always tell my SB to dress normal or have a coat (on the way in at least.), and I leave the garage open and unlock the garage door when they are on the way. When they arrive, they just walk in so to the neighbors it looks like it's someone I know. Some SBs have been weirded out by just walking in, but it still looks better imo to have them come in the garage and knock, it feels more "I know this person"why imo At least that's my angle I'm rollin with! 100% respect Anonyminn's angle, the upper end home definitely lets' them know you're legit, personally I feel my more low key home puts them more at ease, but I'm also often going for the chill, weed smoking, edgy type. I like me some model types, but I don't go for the "I want adventure and to hang out on boats" model types, more the I do erotic photos with nipple clamps and ball gags model types. LOL And 1000% agree with his point that I prefer to take them in my own bed, my environment, my toys. I honestly haven't seen a correlation with education and the stability of the SB, tbh, but I suppose it would increase your odds.

3. Always. Also need to always specify that allowance starts when intimacy starts! Should never be paying full allowance for a meet and greet, at most a little token gift, pay their gas or something. This also helps with point #1 above, if you tell them "yea, I have been scammed with women that just want free dinner and allowance and weren't serious, so when we're comfy playing doctor and patient in the bathtub, allowance starts", then you will weed out the ones that are either going to drag it out, or weren't serious. Just tread careful because you will scare some too (remembering these aren't pro's).

4. This of course varies a lot when you factor in other stuff (did you buy stuff for them, how many dinners, give them anything else, etc) , but for general numbers, I'd say for a rate 6-8 girl range, 200-300,2-3 hours ish. My main right now is an 8. 5, 200 per, 3-4 hours. While I have had a few that came over for as low as 100-150, hour or so, and have had some that turned into girlfriend types that there was no set allowance anymore, but those are pretty rare, imo (but the ultimate prize! : P). You won't find anything lower / shorter than that. Too short a visit and now you're SB feels like and Escort and that doesn't end well either.

5. By the time I get to having dinner, I feel like I usually have a good read on if they are legit, so flakes are pretty rare now, but catfishing is a tougher one, so many women are so good are taking pics hiding flaws, you really just have to judge how MUCH you were catfished sometimes, LOL, so for times I was catfished enough to have a short dinner and gtfo, maybe 1 in 10 now.

[QUOTE=PhillipPlein;4742557]Hi yall,

New to this forum and to the whole idea of being a SD looking for SB, but I'm a veteran when it comes to the escort game. Quite frankly, I'm getting a bit tired of the escort options in the area and looking to get some exposure to new girls through SA, specifically a FWB situation that I can rotate through. My first impression is that girls on SA are definitely prettier than your average escort, but after reading through this forum is it as cost / time effective as an escort? Reason being is that it seems you have to sink quite a bit of time into garnering a relationship (or at least attempt to) with some of these girls for them to feel comfortable with intimacy.

With all of this in mind, I have a few questions that hopefully some of you can help with! Thanks in advance!

1. How long does it take for you to close with girls on SA, especially ones that are down with being FWB? 2nd meetup, 3rd, etc. ?

2. Do you typically have to book a hotel or has your SB provided a location?

3. Do you usually specify via text upfront that it will be a PPM situation and has that been successful?

4. Standard price for each meetup for let's say a girl that is rated 6-8? Right now I'm paying roughly 80 - 150 for q. V. Or hrr with escorts. How often does your time last with SB's? A few hours or is it a quick PPM session?

5. I definitely see a lot of spam and fake accounts so how often have you been flaked on or been cat fished by these women?[/QUOTE]QuantumFlux's answers are golden.

A few of my thoughts / experiences:

1. First or second meetup or they're gone. The first meeting (sans pandemic) is usually a M&G at a restaurant, bar or coffee shop; I pick up the tab, but it's otherwise uncompensated. I don't expect to move immediately from the M&G to the sack, but often do. If not, I deftly state that we need to horizontal tango at our next meeting for the relationship to continue. If they hedge at that, convey that they're competing in a fast-moving marketplace loaded with other beautiful young women: If they want your help, they need to put out ASAP, before someone else swoops in. This flips the script on some of the 9's and 10's who are used to having all the power.

2. I always book my own rooms. Too risky otherwise -- from multiple angles.

3. In my opinion, PPM keeps SBs on their toes; they know they need to satisfy you every time or risk being cut off.

4. I think 8's offer the best bang-for-the-buck on SA, though with my limited availability and uber-selective eye, I mainly chase 9's and 10's.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4e52a25f-e7ac-4a87-a0bb-b17ef692ae10[/URL]

Her reply after initial contact: "Hello, I am studying criminology because I want to go into the FBI someday. May I ask what your prices would be depending on the type of meet up?" Maybe she's doing work-study as a reservation agent at the Graybar Hotel.

I would hope LE would be much less obvious than that but they're not all rocket scientist either. At the least she's not very discreet. Thanks for the warning.

[QUOTE=Anonyminn;4744365][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4e52a25f-e7ac-4a87-a0bb-b17ef692ae10[/URL]

Her reply after initial contact: "Hello, I am studying criminology because I want to go into the FBI someday. May I ask what your prices would be depending on the type of meet up?" Maybe she's doing work-study as a reservation agent at the Graybar Hotel.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=QuantumFlux359;4742968]Welcome the bowl. In hearing answers keep experience in mind, of course, as you might imagine, my initial contact to smacking ass time window has gotten a lot shorter over the years. But you really have to cast a wide net, you might contact 50 women, and end up with 1 or 2 dinner dates total. There's no doubt, there's considerably more footwork, and you have to remember these are not pro's, they usually want some type of connection, doesn't have to be deep bonding shit, but if you can schmooze a bit, find some little way to connect with them, the quality is SO much better than Escort world, imo. I have had sooo many encounters I NEVER would have been able to have in the escort world.

1. Depends. I usually will zero in on the ones that I get a good feel will take 2 meetups tops before boogie down productions start, but there are exceptions for the true rated 9's and 10's, those I will give some leeway of a few dates. But status quo is a meet and greet dinner or coffee or something, and plan 2nd meetup where party starts. I've had a fair number that we went back to my place right after dinner, but usually it's 2nd date. You want that meet and greet every time, though, that's your time to assess their crazy level. As Anonyminn pointed out, before you bring them to your place, got to get a solid feel of crazy to hotness ratio.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot for the thorough response it was incredibly helpful! A few more thought provoking questions now that you've got me thinking more about this.

1. So how does one keep their anonymity with SB's? With escorts you might exchange first names (I always provide a fake), but how honest are you with your identity? I'm in a position where I don't have a wife and kids but I would rather not have those around me discover my side hobby haha.

2. Outside of the intimacy / PPM situation, do you also actually go out on dates with your SB and / or engage in public activities? When you stated 2-3 hours of their time, I would definitely need to find something out of the bedroom to occupy our time. Which means additional expenses that you'll have to incur.

3. After you've gotten well acquainted with your SB do you ever change terms or allowances? I guess you've stated that a no allowance SB is rare, but have you ever changed prices after a few months of meeting?

[QUOTE=PhillipPlein;4744646]Thanks a lot for the thorough response it was incredibly helpful! A few more thought provoking questions now that you've got me thinking more about this.

1. So how does one keep their anonymity with SB's? With escorts you might exchange first names (I always provide a fake), but how honest are you with your identity? I'm in a position where I don't have a wife and kids but I would rather not have those around me discover my side hobby haha.

2. Outside of the intimacy / PPM situation, do you also actually go out on dates with your SB and / or engage in public activities? When you stated 2-3 hours of their time, I would definitely need to find something out of the bedroom to occupy our time. Which means additional expenses that you'll have to incur.

3. After you've gotten well acquainted with your SB do you ever change terms or allowances? I guess you've stated that a no allowance SB is rare, but have you ever changed prices after a few months of meeting?[/QUOTE]1. That really depends on your level of need for anonymity. If you own your home, any semi resourceful intelligent person can find out your name through the web. It takes some sleuthing and work, and potential a few bucks, but it's possible. That's the big hole, imo. But what are the chances of that? Especially after you have met, gotten a feel for them, etc, idk, I'm a trust your gut guy and always always always be ready to walk away, no matter how hard they make your dick. So I'd say as long as you don't need to give them your real last name, and you can give allowance via apps like Venmo that don't list your name, you're fairly good to go. Personally, it's been a mix. Like I said, I'm a trust your gut guy, I feel like I'm a pretty good judge of character, so I've shared my real name with long term SBs, usually after I already knew, and have googled, their name, and always after we have already hit it at least once, any scammers or ill intentioned are not going to put out first. Even the ones that have ended badly, where I might have a little concern they find out my last name and harass me at work, at the end of the day, I try to remember, again, these aren't pro's. These are normal girls, and yes sometimes they aren't emotionally stable, but likely not in the cause chaos at your office level of instability (got to remember, they don't want anyone to know, usually, either). More like you might find me crying on your doorstep at 4 am style if anything. LOL I've had no issues.

2. That again is up to you and your SB, but generally, no. In my experience, the ones that want to go "do something fun" every time, are not going to be long term solutions. Partly because yes, then you are dealing with extra expenses, but also because they seem to be the ones that want the trips and days on the lake and shopping sprees, and that's not my jam. For me, that 2-4 hours might be a couple hours of hanging out chatting, watching a movie / show, eating something, just whatever, and then an hour or two of bedroom. Now, I do occasionally do the dinner or the shopping trip where I spend 50 or 100 bucks buying them something cute, but generally I do those sorts of things in the first few meetups, then most meetups thereafter are hang at my house only. I have occasionally had to elude to the fact that "if I'm spending money out and about, I can't give you as much allowance as I have a budget" sorta thing.

3. I've had this go in variety of ways, but the general rule of thumb. No. I've had SBs that turned into girlfriends / fuckbuddies. I've also had some that would stay longer than originally planned, overnight, etc. , and a couple that were happy with me giving them "whatever I could", but even then I would try to be decent about it. But I've also had one that was so. Fucking. Amazing. That I upped how much I gave her of my own accord, and would have been happy to continue doing if she hadn't disappeared on me. But I feel like generally, you agreed on a rate, that is what it is. I've had PLENTY ask for more after a first meetup, obvious late onset GPS (Golden Pussy Syndrome) so those I told to take a hike.

[QUOTE=QuantumFlux359;4745823]1. That really depends on your level of need for anonymity. If you own your home, any semi resourceful intelligent person can find out your name through the web. It takes some sleuthing and work, and potential a few bucks, but it's possible. That's the big hole, imo. But what are the chances of that? Especially after you have met, gotten a feel for them, etc, idk, I'm a trust your gut guy and always always always be ready to walk away, no matter how hard they make your dick. So I'd say as long as you don't need to give them your real last name, and you can give allowance via apps like Venmo that don't list your name, you're fairly good to go. Personally, it's been a mix. Like I said, I'm a trust your gut guy, I feel like I'm a pretty good judge of character, so I've shared my real name with long term SBs, usually after I already knew, and have googled, their name, and always after we have already hit it at least once, any scammers or ill intentioned are not going to put out first. Even the ones that have ended badly, where I might have a little concern they find out my last name and harass me at work, at the end of the day, I try to remember, again, these aren't pro's. These are normal girls, and yes sometimes they aren't emotionally stable, but likely not in the cause chaos at your office level of instability (got to remember, they don't want anyone to know, usually, either). More like you might find me crying on your doorstep at 4 am style if anything. LOL I've had no issues.

2. That again is up to you and your SB, but generally, no. In my experience, the ones that want to go "do something fun" every time, are not going to be long term solutions. Partly because yes, then you are dealing with extra expenses, but also because they seem to be the ones that want the trips and days on the lake and shopping sprees, and that's not my jam. For me, that 2-4 hours might be a couple hours of hanging out chatting, watching a movie / show, eating something, just whatever, and then an hour or two of bedroom. Now, I do occasionally do the dinner or the shopping trip where I spend 50 or 100 bucks buying them something cute, but generally I do those sorts of things in the first few meetups, then most meetups thereafter are hang at my house only. I have occasionally had to elude to the fact that "if I'm spending money out and about, I can't give you as much allowance as I have a budget" sorta thing.

3. I've had this go in variety of ways, but the general rule of thumb. No. I've had SBs that turned into girlfriends / fuckbuddies. I've also had some that would stay longer than originally planned, overnight, etc. , and a couple that were happy with me giving them "whatever I could", but even then I would try to be decent about it. But I've also had one that was so. Fucking. Amazing. That I upped how much I gave her of my own accord, and would have been happy to continue doing if she hadn't disappeared on me. But I feel like generally, you agreed on a rate, that is what it is. I've had PLENTY ask for more after a first meetup, obvious late onset GPS (Golden Pussy Syndrome) so those I told to take a hike.[/QUOTE]You've provided me with the reassurance to go ahead with this. I've definitely been looking up more ways to stay discrete (using prepaid cards for premium, etc.) but this helps a lot! If you have anymore tips or watch outs you've accumulated over the years that would be appreciated!

[QUOTE=PhillipPlein;4744646]Thanks a lot for the thorough response it was incredibly helpful! A few more thought provoking questions now that you've got me thinking more about this.

1. So how does one keep their anonymity with SB's? With escorts you might exchange first names (I always provide a fake), but how honest are you with your identity? I'm in a position where I don't have a wife and kids but I would rather not have those around me discover my side hobby haha.

2. Outside of the intimacy / PPM situation, do you also actually go out on dates with your SB and / or engage in public activities? When you stated 2-3 hours of their time, I would definitely need to find something out of the bedroom to occupy our time. Which means additional expenses that you'll have to incur.

3. After you've gotten well acquainted with your SB do you ever change terms or allowances? I guess you've stated that a no allowance SB is rare, but have you ever changed prices after a few months of meeting?[/QUOTE]1. I concur with QuantumFlux almost word for word on this one.

A personal rule of thumb is that I should know her identity before she knows mine. Though a number of SBs try hiding their name early, it's often easy to uncover based on data they've shared. With a name, I can usually validate a lot about them -- hometown, family, schooling, work, criminal history, etc. If that lines up with what they've told me, it builds my trust and can accelerate the relationship.

2. In short, sometimes.

As with QuantumFlux, I tend to "date" more early on. At that stage, I'm discerning whether or not they're a long-term fit in a low-risk environment. On the flip side, I'm demonstrating to SBs that I don't view them as merely a piece of meat. (While I place a real premium on appearance, I value high GPAs, strong test scores, tough majors, and exceptional talents {athletics, arts, etc. } almost as much.).

As the relationship develops though, I still enjoy going out. For one, it's an ego stroke to walk into a popular joint with a top-shelf SB and know that every other guy wishes they could take your date home. Dinner out also presents her with an opportunity to warm herself up with a glass or two of wine. This makes the extra expense of going out worth it to me.

That said, I equally appreciate the simplicity of picking her up, bringing her home, and heading straight to the bedroom for a few hours.

3. Terms of my arrangements have remained pretty static thus far. That's largely a function of being married, which really limits how the relationship can evolve. That said, I'm considering upping the terms for my main SB -- possibly the subject of a future post.