Rants and Raves plus Stupid Shit

[QUOTE=LokiPk;2096405]See... It is this type of participation, or more accurately, the lack thereof, that causes me to doubt new members. Guys ***** and moan about how hard it can be to get 'in' with the senior members. Yet the truth is the only thing...THE ONLY thing, you need to do is post every so often. If you find the atmosphere to 'hostile' remember 2 things:

1. Rants and raves was invented to keep the hostility to this thread alone...thus cleaning up the main forums from petty bickering, like this :) So that is a nonissue in the main threads. If the bickering is too much for the thin skinned and the weak of constitution, avoid this thread.

2. Of course it can be hostile! It is an illegal activity and everyone is at risk. Of being robbed, outed, VD, bait and switch and the list is as long as your arm. So we tend to be PROTECTIVE of our sources for reliable pussy! This is REAL life adult shit boys and girls. If it goes bad it can go bad fast in so many ways.

So if y'all think I'm a harsh taskmaster... YOUR God Damn RIGHT I am! I enjoy my participation in this hobby and value the friends I've made on both sides of the aisle. I can make a phone call and less than 30 minutes later I can be balls deep in some beautiful chicks throat! Who wouldn't be protective of that kind of quality and convenience.

Fwiw I am not saying Digibal is a liar, I'm saying if you have info...share it. Obviously he has more information as he's been doing it for years.

Peace.

PK.[/QUOTE]Christ. Why are you still talking about me? Haven't you said your peace? I don't go on the board for a week, and when I check in, there's 2000 words to read. Why say in 5 words what can be said in 2000, I guess.

I don't post reports about the girls whose books are already written, because there's little point. I only posted on allure because there was an information gap. Now I feel like I have to defend them, and I don't like to be in that position. I don't know know the guy that runs them, I don't get a cut of the action, I don't care if anybody uses them.

If I have useful information, I'll share it, okay?

I don't get it? Why do some hobbyists feel that they need to treat the providers like garbage? What's the deal?

I just spoke to a girl I saw Friday, she is positively the BEST I have seen in this hobby to date. Bar none. She was tastefully dressed, very attractive and INCREDIBLY accommodating and she wasn't a clock watcher by any stretch of the imagination. She never asked for the donation until after the session was over and only when she was headed out the door. She was simply amazing.

I just spoke to her and she is pretty close to quitting the hobby. Last week she saw more assholes that SMELLED like an asshole than she did guys that were clean and respectful.

WHY?

Why do these guys think that it's OK to show up smelling like a garbage dump and then treat the girl like a piece of trash? If you want a "ho", pick up a girl on Albany St. If she treats you like crap, fine, give it right back to her. However, this is not the first time I have talked to a provider that gives a quality experience that gets treated like dirt.

You're paying her. So what? It doesn't mean you own her and it doesn't mean she doesn't deserve respect. You wonder why we don't get great girls in the area and so much bait and switch crap? There is your answer.

Man up. Treat a lady like a lady.

Msanders, thanks for posting this. I agree with you completely. I have been told by providers that the vast majority of guys treat them badly. So they get too defensive, and throw it back on other people. Like the nice guys. We all should read your post, and learn a little bit. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Msanders;2097488]I don't get it? Why do some hobbyists feel that they need to treat the providers like garbage? What's the deal?

I just spoke to a girl I saw Friday, she is positively the BEST I have seen in this hobby to date. Bar none. She was tastefully dressed, very attractive and INCREDIBLY accommodating and she wasn't a clock watcher by any stretch of the imagination. She never asked for the donation until after the session was over and only when she was headed out the door. She was simply amazing.

I just spoke to her and she is pretty close to quitting the hobby. Last week she saw more assholes that SMELLED like an asshole than she did guys that were clean and respectful.

WHY?

Why do these guys think that it's OK to show up smelling like a garbage dump and then treat the girl like a piece of trash? If you want a "ho", pick up a girl on Albany St. If she treats you like crap, fine, give it right back to her. However, this is not the first time I have talked to a provider that gives a quality experience that gets treated like dirt.

You're paying her. So what? It doesn't mean you own her and it doesn't mean she doesn't deserve respect. You wonder why we don't get great girls in the area and so much bait and switch crap? There is your answer.

Man up. Treat a lady like a lady.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Msanders;2097488]I don't get it? Why do some hobbyists feel that they need to treat the providers like garbage? What's the deal?

I just spoke to a girl I saw Friday, she is positively the BEST I have seen in this hobby to date. Bar none. She was tastefully dressed, very attractive and INCREDIBLY accommodating and she wasn't a clock watcher by any stretch of the imagination. She never asked for the donation until after the session was over and only when she was headed out the door. She was simply amazing.

I just spoke to her and she is pretty close to quitting the hobby. Last week she saw more assholes that SMELLED like an asshole than she did guys that were clean and respectful.

WHY?

Why do these guys think that it's OK to show up smelling like a garbage dump and then treat the girl like a piece of trash? If you want a "ho", pick up a girl on Albany St. If she treats you like crap, fine, give it right back to her. However, this is not the first time I have talked to a provider that gives a quality experience that gets treated like dirt.

You're paying her. So what? It doesn't mean you own her and it doesn't mean she doesn't deserve respect. You wonder why we don't get great girls in the area and so much bait and switch crap? There is your answer.

Man up. Treat a lady like a lady.[/QUOTE]I have gotten about 8 PM's so far from guys who want to know which provider I am referring to.

No fuckin' way am I letting that cat out of the bag.

I have no way of knowing who the douchebags are that are doing this and I'm not going to risk telling one of them so they can take retribution with her. It's not happening.

It doesn't matter either. She was passing through for the weekend on a road trip and she is never coming back. She travels all over the country and she says she has never been treated as poorly as she was here.

If that means you don't believe this is a problem, then you are likely a part of the problem.

Man up. Treat the ladies with respect until they give you a reason not to.

End of story.

[QUOTE=Digibal;2097107]Christ. Why are you still talking about me? Haven't you said your peace? I don't go on the board for a week, and when I check in, there's 2000 words to read. Why say in 5 words what can be said in 2000, I guess.

I don't post reports about the girls whose books are already written, because there's little point. I only posted on allure because there was an information gap. Now I feel like I have to defend them, and I don't like to be in that position. I don't know know the guy that runs them, I don't get a cut of the action, I don't care if anybody uses them.

If I have useful information, I'll share it, okay?[/QUOTE]Because I AM BAITING YOU YA FUCKING DING DONG! You must have a metal plate in your head you're so thick! So I will spell it out for you in 'five words'. You need to participate MORE. K?
Did you even READ my rant?

PK.

Every time I check this site out, Loki is acting like a dickhead. Maybe you are what you eat. LOL.

[QUOTE=Hobbyist10;2098659]Every time I check this site out, Loki is acting like a dickhead. Maybe you are what you eat. LOL.[/QUOTE]Wow! Did you have to google that original quote or did your Mother just say it to you AGAIN.

Thank you for all the tremendous contributions to this forum over the years... Excuse me...YEAR. 21 posts in twelve months, almost 20% of which have been redacted by the Admins. 3 since last August and 2 of those are redacted. Thanks for stopping by.

Can I get that number for the last 'female' you were with? I forgot to give your Mom her birthday gift;).

PK.

Msanders. I completely agree with you in that every provider deserves to be treated with respect. Furthermore, you often times get what you give, so if it were me jonesing for some special treatment from these providers then shower, shave, clean up and treat the provider like you'd like to be treated.

Now with all that being said, I'd certainly stop short of calling these providers "ladies". A true lady doesn't suck cocks for a living nor does she do anything sexually for cash, period. These are human beings that deserve to be treated with respect and dignity however lets not confuse them with ladies. This is just my two cents. And its probably over priced!

L10.

[QUOTE=Msanders;2097488]I don't get it? Why do some hobbyists feel that they need to treat the providers like garbage? What's the deal?

I just spoke to a girl I saw Friday, she is positively the BEST I have seen in this hobby to date. Bar none. She was tastefully dressed, very attractive and INCREDIBLY accommodating and she wasn't a clock watcher by any stretch of the imagination. She never asked for the donation until after the session was over and only when she was headed out the door. She was simply amazing.

I just spoke to her and she is pretty close to quitting the hobby. Last week she saw more assholes that SMELLED like an asshole than she did guys that were clean and respectful.

WHY?

Why do these guys think that it's OK to show up smelling like a garbage dump and then treat the girl like a piece of trash? If you want a "ho", pick up a girl on Albany St. If she treats you like crap, fine, give it right back to her. However, this is not the first time I have talked to a provider that gives a quality experience that gets treated like dirt.

You're paying her. So what? It doesn't mean you own her and it doesn't mean she doesn't deserve respect. You wonder why we don't get great girls in the area and so much bait and switch crap? There is your answer.

Man up. Treat a lady like a lady.[/QUOTE]

A true lady doesn't have sex for money? I guess you've never heard of dating LOL.

BTW, as far as treating them like ladies and with respect.. Well it depends who you're dealing with to be honest. You can't treat a **** like a lady.

Elegant ladies do not fuck, suck cock, or turn tricks, for cash period. These providers are just that-service providers. I have dated my fair share of "ladies" not one would ever consider posting an ad or hitting the streets in hopes of making a living. I have never paid a date cash. Yet I certainly purchased dinner, treated them special and had my fair share of fun afterwards however no cash ever changed hands.

L10.

[QUOTE=Jerichoo;2101111]A true lady doesn't have sex for money? I guess you've never heard of dating LOL.

BTW, as far as treating them like ladies and with respect.. Well it depends who you're dealing with to be honest. You can't treat a **** like a lady.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Levi10;2101949]Elegant ladies do not fuck, suck cock, or turn tricks, for cash period. These providers are just that-service providers. I have dated my fair share of "ladies" not one would ever consider posting an ad or hitting the streets in hopes of making a living. I have never paid a date cash. Yet I certainly purchased dinner, treated them special and had my fair share of fun afterwards however no cash ever changed hands.

L10.[/QUOTE]Dude, you spent money in hopes of getting sex. What's the difference? LOL one way or another, dudes pay for sex, weather its a hooker or a date.

I've never paid for sex, I hear that so many times mostly from young cats & old heads that should know better! Every man is going to pay for pussy in his lifetime, whether it be directly...hooker on the corner or indirectly...taking Elegant bitches out to eat & to the movies & what not! If you want that ass...We are going to pay to get it!

[QUOTE=Jerichoo;2101967]Dude, you spent money in hopes of getting sex. What's the difference? LOL one way or another, dudes pay for sex, weather its a hooker or a date.[/QUOTE]Here's a difference: friends ask for your time, not your money. One way or another we guys spend on the ladies. It's nice to do business with a personable provider, just keep it in perspective. When we pay for sex and are on the clock we shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking that we're with a friend. Once you've paid her for sex, try asking the same lady out for an even more expensive night on the town. Think that'll get you laid?

For what it is worth... Guys need to treat ALL women with respect and dignity. If she has a silver spoon in her mouth, up her nose, or in her Vag it shouldn't make a difference. Looking down on anyone for doing what they do is a measure of your own character, not theirs. The true measure of a man is how he treats people who mean nothing to him. Treat them like shit and it is a reflection of YOU, not them.

Everybody has a story, a hardship, a misery or a Joy that brought them to this point. To behave like some half-brained Mongoloid just because you can, simply shows a lack of respect for society in general. A callous disregard for someone's personal dignity will only serve to drag you deeper into the depths of depravity.

Yes, it is AWESOME that we can pay for play and have the fantasy that the wife, GF or SO doesn't provide. I find that this hobby exceeds my wildest dreams as a cum filled teenager!! But to degrade and denounce any woman for the life they lead is not a sign of strong character. It shows a heart filled with self-loathing that manifests outwardly upon those around them.

Are they Who*res or Bit*ches? Slu*ts or cu*nts? Yeah, sometimes. But they don't have to be hookers to fulfill those definitions. We all know plenty of professional ladies that MORE than exceed those descriptors and they've never sucked cock for cash (or have they;)) .

The point I'm trying to make is that people are people and we should be thankful this hobby exists to fill those voids in our lives that need it. Not judging from on high. From the dirtiest streetwalker to the highest paid call girls or courtesans, you all should learn to treat them better than what has been shown in this thread.

You all know me, I'm a raging fucking prick who will throw down with the best of them at the drop of a hat. But I can say in all honesty that I have never treated a 'lady of the evening' as a piece of meat or less than human. I'm polite. I'm clean. I pay what she asks. I ask from time to time if our chosen activity is making her uncomfortable. I am concerned for her well-being. I don't do what she asks me not to. If she says stop, I stop. WHY? Because I may want to see her again!! Or another girl she may know. These women talk about us, fellas! And if you treat them like shit, THEY WILL REMEMBER YOU! And they will tell their friends, who WILL REMEMBER YOU!

Know why I get laid so much? Because I treat them as well as I can and I don't fucking haggle. When they see my number ring through, they answer. Because they REMEMBER ME and know what to expect. Courtesy goes a long way, as does cleanliness. Play heads up ball guys and you will be rewarded. Shoot dirty pool and your options will grow smaller by the day.

Peace.

PK.

[QUOTE=Msanders;2097488]I don't get it? Why do some hobbyists feel that they need to treat the providers like garbage? What's the deal?

I just spoke to a girl I saw Friday, she is positively the BEST I have seen in this hobby to date. Bar none. She was tastefully dressed, very attractive and INCREDIBLY accommodating and she wasn't a clock watcher by any stretch of the imagination. She never asked for the donation until after the session was over and only when she was headed out the door. She was simply amazing.

I just spoke to her and she is pretty close to quitting the hobby. Last week she saw more assholes that SMELLED like an asshole than she did guys that were clean and respectful.

WHY?

Why do these guys think that it's OK to show up smelling like a garbage dump and then treat the girl like a piece of trash? If you want a "ho", pick up a girl on Albany St. If she treats you like crap, fine, give it right back to her. However, this is not the first time I have talked to a provider that gives a quality experience that gets treated like dirt.

You're paying her. So what? It doesn't mean you own her and it doesn't mean she doesn't deserve respect. You wonder why we don't get great girls in the area and so much bait and switch crap? There is your answer.

Man up. Treat a lady like a lady.[/QUOTE]The same thought process should apply to the women in our favorite AMPs as well! I always arrive clean and groomed, even at places where a table shower is available. I have found that treating the women with respect usually yields it's rewards. The women in the various AMPs work extremely hard and rely on tips: the house gets the upfront fee, not the masseuse! And just because we ARE giving her a tip, doesn't' give us an excuse to manhandle them or force them into doing anything that they aren't comfortable with. They are human beings too! I have enjoyed myself above and beyond, even in some the AMPs known for being "therapeutic" only! Some of the most sensual sessions have been provided by women with the "less than stellar" looks, so although YMMV, don't always judge the book by it's cover, tip accordingly, be respectful, and stay safe!!