"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2110293]One of the main reasons for switching to the Sugar world for me. I hate fucking condoms. I always used them when going with a pro, but in the sugar world, I am willing to take my chances. I've never found a condom that fit right, I'm super thick at the base and even the magnums cut off the blood flow and my head gets all mashed up and it just sucks! No greater feeling than skin on skin with a wet tight pussy!

So far I've had sex with five girls from SA and none so much as even mentioned condoms. But so help me, if one of these girls turns up knocked up. I always discuss whether they can get pregnant or not, but they could be lying.

Funny you guys mention the "period" excuse. I'm not much for bloody pussy, but the girl I met last night, who I only started contact with the same day, went directly to the FC with me after two drinks and appetizers. While having drinks, she mentioned it, but immediately said she was ok with still having sex, it was up to me, so I knew she was truthful. Once back in the room, we began making out heavily. She is 22, petite, spinner, solid body, face a 7. She has a boyfriend, who works out of town and she needed money to pay her rent for June. Described him as a real looser type.

So after kissing for 30 minutes, she grabs my cock, feels its hard and whispers in my ear, "someone wants to come out and play. " Damn, these girls are not shy these days. She kneels down on the floor, as I sit on the side of the bed and proceeds to give me a slow, sensual blowjob. I asked her when she looked up at me for a moment, 'where would you like me to cum" she had the head of my dick in her mouth while licking it just a bit, looked me right in the eye and said, "in my mouth and down my throat of course, I want to taste you. " and that she did. After she told me she never even did that for her boyfriend. Hahaha. We agreed to full on sex in three days when her cycle is over.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner. [/QUOTE]I guess the point I was making was, that she said she was on her period, but she wasn't. It was an excuse to just get away with giving me a BJ. Anytime my MILF was on her period she just suggested anal. Not a huge fan of anal, only because I like to go from pussy to mouth and back, and its not really sanitary to go from ass to mouth. Unless you wash in between, which is kind of a mood killer.

I recently made contact with a POT SB who states in her profile she is in college, struggling with jobs, school, etc. Looking for help, and pretty up front in her profile that she is looking for mutually beneficial, although phrased in a cute way as a young girl would. And like many of the young ladies, no net security sense at all. Uses the same photos on her SB page as her personal social networking page. Also uses her real name on one site. Found her on another where at least she had the good sense to use a pseudonym. But her social networking page says she is in high school! So how do I verify she is 18 or over before we meet? She is actually just over the border in a neighboring state, so I am a little concerned. If she lied about being in college, perhaps she is lying about being 18.

Norm!

[QUOTE=NormGerd;2110485] So how do I verify she is 18 or over before we meet? She is actually just over the border in a neighboring state, so I am a little concerned. If she lied about being in college, perhaps she is lying about being 18.
[/QUOTE]Be upfront that you will need to see her ID when you meet, and meet someplace in public for the first time. If she won't do it, walk away-there's another train coming.

[QUOTE=JohnGSmith;2110115]I don't know man. Similar to ScottF one of the former brothers here, I sometimes enjoy the chase. It can often be maddening and frustrating, but sometimes there's a nice payoff and you can land a very fresh girl or a girl who ordinarily you might not expect to be accepting of this lifestyle.

Being more direct definitely results in a higher success rate of banging girls overall. But if you're after fresh non-Pro, non-UTR, or non-SerialSBs, then sometimes you have to endure the chase. But I also use the chase to sharpen my sword and I think it's partially why I've been able to find and do well with SBs who've had < 2 SDs. The fresher they are the more you can define for them what a SD / SB arrangement is suppose to look like. Unless I'm explicitly targeting a BC girl, I try to avoid talking direct dollars and cents until after I've banged her in the FC and I'm handing her a gift envelope. I may give her a rough approximation early on by mentioning what bills I might help with and such, but I keep the ball in my court until I've scored. This will not work with UTR girls or seasoned SBs. Only fresh SBs. And what's great is that costs remain modest and flexible. I try to do a mix of cash and gifts, so there's never exact number to pin things to. The girls feel less like an escort so there's a longer retention rate.

While yes I am primarily looking for a SB to have great sex with a hot young babe, for me I also need my ego stroked a bit. So I like her to give me some attention whether it's sending me texts, pics, or whatever. For me, it adds to the overall experience. I found that when I was more direct, I had a higher FC percentage, but the turnover was higher with each girl. Repeats were few and the girls rarely communicated with me except to arrange a date or ask for money.

It all depends what we're looking for. But I just wanted to add the chase isn't such a bad thing if you're looking for a fresh SB and someone you can mold. [/QUOTE]I am trying to go slower with the obviously first rate NP's. So far nothing lasting. LOL. I have been to the FC with 14 new girls this year and only one is still left. I also did 8 M & G's at coffee shops that went nowhere. So averaging about one new girl a week.

I spent 4 hours on my profile and trying to learn that site. Sent a few non canned messages. You really don't have to talk about sex, since that is the main reason everyone is one there. I put in my profile "no pros or gold diggers" Got one response so far from a 9/10. We'll see.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2110567]I spent 4 hours on my profile and trying to learn that site. Sent a few non canned messages. You really don't have to talk about sex, since that is the main reason everyone is one there. I put in my profile "no pros or gold diggers" Got one response so far from a 9/10. We'll see. [/QUOTE]You might so try collarspace (dot) com. It's the former collarme.

I applaud your outside the box. Happy hunting!

[QUOTE=Makethescoop;2110594]You might so try collarspace (dot) com. It's the former collarme.

I applaud your outside the box. Happy hunting![/QUOTE]Tried that a little in the past. Seems like most of the profiles were inactive. I can barely keep up with SD4 M.

Saw a new girl in my area on SDT so made contact. She responded back pretty quickly, and we texted back and forth through the day. 19, petite, blonde hair, very fucking cute. Never did this before, really nervous about it all, but needed money as soon as possible (she's a young mom). She asked for more than my initial offer, so I gave her the option of an overnight later in the week with myself and my brand new SB I detailed in my last report. She was interested, but asked if we could do an overnight that night with just me, she needed the money ASAP. I agreed, picked her up, took her to the hotel for the night.

She was very much a girl next door type, obviously nervous but she calmed down once we met and talked. Not as affectionate and sexual as I would have liked, but she's just a young woman with admittedly not much experience, so I can understand why she wasn't delivering much of a GFE, certainly not a PSE. Not sure if we'll see each other again or if this was just a one time thing for her. I'm still hoping I can get her and my free spirit SB together for a threesome, but we shall see.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2110501]I am trying to go slower with the obviously first rate NP's. So far nothing lasting. LOL. I have been to the FC with 14 new girls this year and only one is still left. I also did 8 M & G's at coffee shops that went nowhere. So averaging about one new girl a week. [/QUOTE]Part of the problem is the girls in our preferred range (18-22) are just so damn flaky and they don't know what they want. Also a lot of these girls are just out for a new experience and then once they got it, they move on to something else.

Though another factor that might be playing into your low retention rate with first rate NPs is your $ offer. You've got the skills to get a lot of girls to the FC with $ and it helps keep your costs under control. But it's possible with the $ offer, you're getting easily outbid by the next legit SD that contacts her. Some of the girls pictures you've posted here are smokin and I could see another LA dude giving them 2-4 x the amount you're giving them. So then it comes down to what other intangibles are you giving to the SB that will cause her to turn down more green from some other SD.

But then again if you're still getting a steady flow of NPs to the FC (one per week), then you have one of those good problems, LOL. But if you find a fresh SB / NP that you liked to hold on to a little longer, then you may need to sell her on a dream or add a bit of mystery (ie. Be less direct on what the monthly allowance is), so she feels there's more out there than just the $ It might help prevent from getting outbid easily.

I think another advantage of me being on CL lately is that the ratio of legit SDs to creepers / weirdos is much more in my favor. On CL if you do it right, it's hard to get easily outbid because there's just so many freaks on there and it can be difficult getting a SD ad on there that doesn't get flagged. Whereas on a SD site, there are more legit SDs and less crap because SDs have to pay real money to send messages. So a girl on a SD site may receive a legit offer every day or two. With CL it doesn't cost anything to post, so there's just so much crap. Most girls once they've gotten a legit offer from someone they met on CL, they stay content longer because they don't want to quickly jump back into that cesspool. On average I'm offering a little more than $ to my CL girls but not much more and it fluctuates. When I give girls the same amount on SA / SDF M I usually get the same results as you. One and done unless they're a Nando1.

So it's start of the new month so it's time to do another update.

CL Teacher.

She went radio silence last week and didn't respond to a couple of my texts. But unlike before, this time I didn't panic at all because now I know she has a boyfriend. Toward the end of the week I did a little FB peeking and it turned out her boyfriend was in town for the week. And then literally a few hours after he left town, she texted me, haha. So basically it confirmed when she goes radio silent, it's usually when she's with her boyfriend. It's probably how she compartmentalizes it. I'm just happy that she keeps coming back. So even though we haven't seen each other in a couple of weeks, we're still doing good. I should be seeing her again within the next couple of days.

CL Student.

This girl I have been playing the super long game with. I mentioned her once before a couple of months ago. She's a 21 AA university student. Never had a SD, only had one boyfriend. We've been texting each other for over 6 months now (about the same length as the CL Teacher). But we've been just text buddies. She lives over a hour away and had a very busy schedule with school. So we haven't even met yet, but she gives me pictures regularly. My plate has been pretty full and I didn't feel like driving to her, so I've been okay with the snail's pace. Plus she's genuinely attracted to me and no money has been involved, so it's a nice ego stroke to flirt with a very cute 21 AA who's into me. Well anyway school is out, so she finally has time to come up and see me this week. I'm very curious how this will go. She's petite, skinny, but with big tits and nice ass. But as mentioned she's inexperienced so there's always a chance she could get cold feet or become awkward. Still I'm looking forward to cashing in my chips. I've been slow cooking this girl for 6 months, but experiencing a fresh girl like this should hopefully be worth it.

CL Latina.

This is the Latina I had some office fun with the other week. It was really a random thing. Went from messaging her to banging her in about 6-7 hour time-frame. It was fun but I could tell she probably got caught-up in the moment and might have second thoughts later. Well that's exactly what happened. A few days later she told me this type of thing wasn't for her. I was a little bit disappointed because it was nice to have a freaky / aggressive girl in my stable. My CL Teacher is more the passionate type. But this girl also needed help with some bigger bills, which I couldn't do. So in the end, it probably wasn't worth it to her. But it's definitely true if you can act fast and even schedule the M&G the same day as first contact, you may sometimes get lucky to catch girls on an impulse fuck. The downside of course is that it's most likely going to be a one and done thing.

CL MILF.

I recently started talking to this woman in her 30's on CL about a job posting. Even though she's MILF-aged, she doesn't actually have kids. She's dirty blond, fit and a hour glass frame. She looks absolutely amazing for her age but of course not having kids I'm sure helps. Anyway, we were talking about unrelated work and I started flirting a bit. I casually mentioned instead of doing this job she should come see me and I'll give her 6 x the pay. She was cautious at first but then gave me her Facebook so we could chat on there (oh civies, LOL). She clearly had a boyfriend and told me once her boyfriend goes out of town, we should hookup. She was doing the same identical thing as my CL Teacher except she was just way more upfront about it. She's not a UTR because a UTR wouldn't so easily suggest being FB friends. I think she's just free spirited, likes me (we exchanged pictures), and probably isn't entirely happy with her boyfriend. Honestly I don't feel as bad cheating on my SO now that I'm seeing all these girls cheating on their boyfriends, LOL.

CL Assistant.

I've been keeping this girl close to my vest. I met her about a month ago. She's 20 and a petite little blond. I did a job posting for someone to do small jobs around my office. I thought it would be nice to have some company around the office and depending on the responses I might get a young willing but normal girl. I interviewed a few people and then I found this girl. Honestly it was like straight out of those casting couch porn videos. I ran the interview legit for the first half and then I got a bit suggestive in the latter half. By the end of this interview this petite little blond was giving me a HJ while I was sucking on her small firm tits. This was part of the "interview" so I didn't pay her a penny. I of course hired her. I'm paying her twice the minimum-wage, but that's still way less than what I'd normally give a SB. She comes in 2-3 times a week for a few hours. I give her a few odd jobs to do and toward the end of her shift she makes me happy. At first I was just giving her busy work, but she actually has a decent head on her shoulders so I've been gradually giving her more real tasks. She's a very cute and nice girl (though a little distant sometimes), it's just she has a fucked up home life. I give her flexible hours and it's a casual work environment so it seems to fit with what she's looking for right now. Plus I'm teaching her some new job skills. I doubt she's even heard of the Sugar daddy / sugar baby world otherwise she probably wouldn't be working for me, LOL. But it's been great the last several weeks. No matter the ups and downs with my regular SBs, my CL Assistant has been there to take care of business 2-3 times a week for a fraction of the costs. She never flakes and always gives me a heads up if she needs to reschedule. I'm tempted to have her help me balance / schedule my other SBs, LOL.

[QUOTE=JohnGSmith;2111057]Part of the problem is the girls in our preferred range (18-22) are just so damn flaky and they don't know what they want. Also a lot of these girls are just out for a new experience and then once they got it, they move on to something else.

Though another factor that might be playing into your low retention rate with first rate NPs is your $ offer. You've got the skills to get a lot of girls to the FC with $ and it helps keep your costs under control. But it's possible with the $ offer, you're getting easily outbid by the next legit SD that contacts her. Some of the girls pictures you've posted here are smokin and I could see another LA dude giving them 2-4 x the amount you're giving them. So then it comes down to what other intangibles are you giving to the SB that will cause her to turn down more green from some other SD.

But then again if you're still getting a steady flow of NPs to the FC (one per week), then you have one of those good problems, LOL. But if you find a fresh SB / NP that you liked to hold on to a little longer, then you may need to sell her on a dream or add a bit of mystery (ie. Be less direct on what the monthly allowance is), so she feels there's more out there than just the $ It might help prevent from getting outbid easily.

I think another advantage of me being on CL lately is that the ratio of legit SDs to creepers / weirdos is much more in my favor. On CL if you do it right, it's hard to get easily outbid because there's just so many freaks on there and it can be difficult getting a SD ad on there that doesn't get flagged. Whereas on a SD site, there are more legit SDs and less crap because SDs have to pay real money to send messages. So a girl on a SD site may receive a legit offer every day or two. With CL it doesn't cost anything to post, so there's just so much crap. Most girls once they've gotten a legit offer from someone they met on CL, they stay content longer because they don't want to quickly jump back into that cesspool. On average I'm offering a little more than $ to my CL girls but not much more and it fluctuates. When I give girls the same amount on SA / SDF M I usually get the same results as you. One and done unless they're a Nando1. [/QUOTE]It's funny because the one out of 14 that turned into a regular is from CL. Also I have averaged 24 trips to the FC per month since the first of the year at an average cost of $.2 per trip. So I have to keep the cost down or go broke. And like you say many are just looking for an experience or some short term fast cash. Also I ditched a few due to below my standards. If I was only doing say 12 trips a month I could double my offer, but me too horny for that. LOL.

[QUOTE=JohnGSmith;2111078]So it's start of the new month so it's time to do another update.
CL Teacher.

She went radio silence last week and didn't respond to a couple of my texts. But unlike before, this time I didn't panic at all because now I know she has a boyfriend. Toward the end of the week I did a little FB peeking and it turned out her boyfriend was in town for the week.

CL MILF.

She was doing the same identical thing as my CL Teacher except she was just way more upfront about it. I think she's just free spirited, likes me (we exchanged pictures), and probably isn't entirely happy with her boyfriend. Honestly I don't feel as bad cheating on my SO now that I'm seeing all these girls cheating on their boyfriends, LOL.

CL Assistant.

I've been keeping this girl close to my vest. I met her about a month ago. She's 20 and a petite little blond. I did a job posting for someone to do small jobs around my office. I thought it would be nice to have some company around the office and depending on the responses I might get a young willing but normal girl. I interviewed a few people and then I found this girl. Honestly it was like straight out of those casting couch porn videos. I ran the interview legit for the first half and then I got a bit suggestive in the latter half. By the end of this interview this petite little blond was giving me a HJ while I was sucking on her small firm tits. This was part of the "interview" so I didn't pay her a penny. I of course hired her. I'm paying her twice the minimum-wage, but that's still way less than what I'd normally give a SB. She comes in 2-3 times a week for a few hours. I give her a few odd jobs to do and toward the end of her shift she makes me happy. At first I was just giving her busy work, but she actually has a decent head on her shoulders so I've been gradually giving her more real tasks. She's a very cute and nice girl (though a little distant sometimes), it's just she has a fucked up home life. I give her flexible hours and it's a casual work environment so it seems to fit with what she's looking for right now. Plus I'm teaching her some new job skills. I doubt she's even heard of the Sugar daddy / sugar baby world otherwise she probably wouldn't be working for me, LOL. But it's been great the last several weeks. No matter the ups and downs with my regular SBs, my CL Assistant has been there to take care of business 2-3 times a week for a fraction of the costs. She never flakes and always gives me a heads up if she needs to reschedule. I'm tempted to have her help me balance / schedule my other SBs, LOL. [/QUOTE]This shows that nothing is sacrosanct. Your girls are out there cheating on their guys with you and vice versa. Monogamy is rare.

The age-old practice of banging the help is oh so convenient, but fraught with hazard. This girl has access to your papers, can get into your stuff, and has you by the balls literally and figuratively. If she is so inclined she could sue you for sexual harassment and write her own check. Not to mention wreck your home life if you have one. Having said that I am jealous that you have what I would like to have, an "In House " FB.

I am continuing on my saga to bag $ girls and it is very difficult UTR. If I were available to take them out for dinner, drinks, and fun times it would be so easy, but trying to talk them into the FC for $ is definitely transactional.

Recharged my account yesterday. (It's freakin $69 for the month on SA now? Or was the $59 cause it was my first month last time) Sent out about two dozen emails. Nothing. For a bit and then BAM, like a tidal wave of young girls, I get slammed. Now I'm juggling 4 girls all willing to meet, two are sure bets to the FC! Two are playing the "I'm a good girl and won't have sex right away" but as they text me more and more, it becomes apparent they likely are willing to. LOL. One girl took down her profile having a moral dilemma and said she wasn't going through with it, then this morning texts me and says she will meet for dinner and asks if I have any diseases. Hahaha. Then she asks about what type of sex I have and if I have any weird fetishes. So you know she anticipating it going there.

A third woman is 38, but hot as fuck and agreed unless there is chemistry, we are hitting the FC. And a third, divorced 25 year old half black, half Native American also agreed to FC. And this girl is an easy 9.

Plus getting more and more emails back now. So hard to keep up. We need a secretary. LOL.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2111272]
The age-old practice of banging the help is oh so convenient, but fraught with hazard. This girl has access to your papers, can get into your stuff, and has you by the balls literally and figuratively. If she is so inclined she could sue you for sexual harassment and write her own check. Not to mention wreck your home life if you have one. Having said that I am jealous that you have what I would like to have, an "In House " FB.
[/QUOTE]Some of the best advice yet in this forum. The sexual harassment threat has become such a fact of life that almost NOBODY with any assets to lose dares to even think about doing this anymore, and anyone with a wife or girlfriend to lose, the threat is compounded many times over.

I personally decided a long time ago to take it a step further and never, under any circumstances bang a co-worker (I don't care how hot she is). This has nothing to do with being concerned about corporate policies or whatever, it's the simple fact that it's too hard to get away from them when it's time to move on. If you want her that bad, change jobs first and then bang her.

I decided to forgo the unsure younger girls for tonight's outing and go with a sure trip to the FC. The woman is 38 has two kids, but is also a workout instructor and has a solid hard body, likes sex and a very pretty face. She is also blonde. .

I feel like this is a woman of an age group that I could likely easily score in the civi world, although it would be a challenge as for her age group, she is top notch. Nonetheless, I am curious as to others thoughts on paying for these types with the over abundance of true sugar babies out there? Is this a foolish move? I'm confident it will be a night of wild sex ahead of me, but she's also not 22 and innocent and that is a part of this game most of us enjoy the most.

Just curious as to what other's thoughts are on this? And if you've engaged in the older ladies in your quest for sugar dating.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2111472]I decided to forgo the unsure younger girls for tonight's outing and go with a sure trip to the FC. The woman is 38 has two kids, but is also a workout instructor and has a solid hard body, likes sex and a very pretty face. She is also blonde. .

I feel like this is a woman of an age group that I could likely easily score in the civi world, although it would be a challenge as for her age group, she is top notch. Nonetheless, I am curious as to others thoughts on paying for these types with the over abundance of true sugar babies out there? Is this a foolish move? I'm confident it will be a night of wild sex ahead of me, but she's also not 22 and innocent and that is a part of this game most of us enjoy the most.

Just curious as to what other's thoughts are on this? And if you've engaged in the older ladies in your quest for sugar dating. [/QUOTE]If you're looking for the sure trip to the FC, definitely go with a women that knows what she wants. Sure you could likely score with a woman in her age group, but I think one of the appeals with the sugar bowl is that the cpo is much less and you don't have to deal with the other negatives of civi dating ie attachments and expectations towards a ring in the future.

Every day there's a new group of girls turning 18. They'll always be there for you. I think a 38 year old woman with a solid body and knows what to do in the FC is golden and can be worth your pursuit.

[QUOTE=JohnGSmith;2111078]So it's start of the new month so it's time to do another update.

CL Assistant.

I've been keeping this girl close to my vest. I met her about a month ago. She's 20 and a petite little blond. I did a job posting for someone to do small jobs around my office. I thought it would be nice to have some company around the office and depending on the responses I might get a young willing but normal girl. I interviewed a few people and then I found this girl. Honestly it was like straight out of those casting couch porn videos. I ran the interview legit for the first half and then I got a bit suggestive in the latter half. By the end of this interview this petite little blond was giving me a HJ while I was sucking on her small firm tits. This was part of the "interview" so I didn't pay her a penny. I of course hired her. I'm paying her twice the minimum-wage, but that's still way less than what I'd normally give a SB. She comes in 2-3 times a week for a few hours. I give her a few odd jobs to do and toward the end of her shift she makes me happy. At first I was just giving her busy work, but she actually has a decent head on her shoulders so I've been gradually giving her more real tasks. She's a very cute and nice girl (though a little distant sometimes), it's just she has a fucked up home life. I give her flexible hours and it's a casual work environment so it seems to fit with what she's looking for right now. Plus I'm teaching her some new job skills. I doubt she's even heard of the Sugar daddy / sugar baby world otherwise she probably wouldn't be working for me, LOL. But it's been great the last several weeks. No matter the ups and downs with my regular SBs, my CL Assistant has been there to take care of business 2-3 times a week for a fraction of the costs. She never flakes and always gives me a heads up if she needs to reschedule. I'm tempted to have her help me balance / schedule my other SBs, LOL. [/QUOTE]I'm curious what kind of suggestive language you used that led up to this. I must admit, that took some balls.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2111272]
The age-old practice of banging the help is oh so convenient, but fraught with hazard. This girl has access to your papers, can get into your stuff, and has you by the balls literally and figuratively. If she is so inclined she could sue you for sexual harassment and write her own check. Not to mention wreck your home life if you have one. Having said that I am jealous that you have what I would like to have, an "In House " FB.
[/QUOTE]As you pointed out there's risks. But she's not an official employee. There's zero paperwork tying her to my business and I pay her under the table. And the job was from a CL post so I can claim it was just informal role-playing or modeling and that she was never a real employee or worker. I have a small business and I own it, so I don't have to worry about other co-workers.

Also I'm a pretty good judge of personalities and took certain things slow, I could tell she's not the type of person to cause trouble in my home life unless I blatantly mistreat her or something. And she's the type of person to not ask questions about certain things, so she doesn't dig into my business unless I choose to tell her something. Obviously she knows my real identity and can probably piece certain things together, but I have enough on her as well to back her off if for some reason she starts causing trouble.

But I've been very nice to her, I haven't been pushy or tried to force her to do things she didn't want to do. I took things slow. As mentioned I've also taught her quite a few legit job skills, so she has a better chance of getting a real job at somepoint.

So far it's smooth sailing. And when it's time to end things, I'll help her find a real job and just say I have to tighten my budget. But yes, it goes without saying that I don't recommend trying to pull this off unless you have all the stars align up correctly, otherwise you could be in a world of trouble.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2111472]I decided to forgo the unsure younger girls for tonight's outing and go with a sure trip to the FC. The woman is 38 has two kids, but is also a workout instructor and has a solid hard body, likes sex and a very pretty face. She is also blonde. .

I feel like this is a woman of an age group that I could likely easily score in the civi world, although it would be a challenge as for her age group, she is top notch. Nonetheless, I am curious as to others thoughts on paying for these types with the over abundance of true sugar babies out there? Is this a foolish move? I'm confident it will be a night of wild sex ahead of me, but she's also not 22 and innocent and that is a part of this game most of us enjoy the most.
Just curious as to what other's thoughts are on this? And if you've engaged in the older ladies in your quest for sugar dating. [/QUOTE]It is strange that I consider a woman 30 yrs my junior an "older "woman. I might try some of these girls since the 18 to 22 yr olds are so flighty. I have not had good luck with this age so far. Many are a little less fit and more cynical. I also like the impressionability in the younger age. Actually my sweet spot is 26 to 28.

If you are attracted to the SB, no matter the age, and she is a sexual experience then I would leave no vagina un penetrated.

My current SB contacted a friend of hers who is totally up for joining us for a threesome. The friend is very attractive and my SB assures me that her friend is at the same level of sexuality as she herself is. And since my SB is the girl who got me to fucking her like I was 20 years old again, I think I may die of a heart attack this weekend, but at least I'll die a very happy man!

If I survive the experience, I'll post an update this weekend (and maybe some pics.).

As the title says, I'm an idiot. The bowl is consuming way too much of my time, energy, and attention. Its affecting everything I do. But I can't stop.

As I type this, I'm waiting for a NP 27 year old to meet me in ten minutes at my hotel room. The reason I am stupid is that she works in an office where I sort of know people, and I definitely know people in the office next door to her. So I'm probably screwing up in the long run. Details;.

27 year old divorcee blonde / blue from SA, supposedly her account was setup by a friend who met a guy one town over using SA and they fuck regularly now. She's okay looking in the face and has a decent body. I think she hasnt had many lovers. She married real young and hasnt been divorced very long. She was very reserved till I asked to kiss her on the m / g and now she is talking shit and sending pics. Oh, she claims she has never orgasmed from sex. We will see.

22 year old half latina with 3 year old son from SA, set her account up to meet a man after dealing with boys. Before she gave birth she was probably a hard 9 body wise. She is still small, has a killer ass, but her boobs show the wear. Face is pretty but her front two teeth are crooked. Been talking for a couple weeks and met for lunch last week. We clicked and she was ready to move on to the next step. I got her into the FC yesterday afternoon and shocked her. Immediately I started eating that pussy and she came several within 20 minutes before I even attempted to fuck her. I banged her hard for 30 minutes then stopped and eat her again while finger blasting her. She squirted on me three times. Then I fucked her again for 30 minutes till she begged me to stop. After a little break I eat that pussy again for awhile till she begged me to stop cause her pussy was beat. She tried sucking me off but I finally rolled her over and busted a nut on her ass. Cleaned her up, talked for a bit, and she was ready to go. Never asked about money. I gave her some as she walked out. She's getting a new apartment Sunday and I'm invited any day I want.

More to detail but my sb is here.

[QUOTE=SkinJr;2111621]As the title says, I'm an idiot. The bowl is consuming way too much of my time, energy, and attention. Its affecting everything I do. But I can't stop.
[/QUOTE]I knew I was in trouble at the end of my most recent SB season when I met an unforgettable 10. When my GF returned from her travels, all I could think about is how could I find a way to put my GF back on that plane for a couple of weeks so I could continue my SB festival just a little bit longer.

When it was over, it took me a full month to fully recover, to remind myself why I was in this relationship in the first place, and to pull myself together / snap out of "the zone" and start enjoying the companionship I get out of my relationship again.

The bowl is extremely addictive, and will ruin your life if you allow it to. It's just like gambling, alcohol, drugs, sex, etc. In the sense that if done to excess and without a control factor, it will leave you penniless and without anyone in your life that really cares about you. I'm actually lucky that I have something of an automatic control factor that forces me to stop after a fixed period of time and resume my normal life. I suspect most folks have something similar (I. E. a wife that gets suspicious and limits activities, or kids to raise etc). If you don't have something like this to help you stop for extended periods of time, I would suggest just quitting cold turkey for at least 1-2 months, going dark and shutting down accounts, discontinuing existing contacts etc. Then start back up when you feel you have a handle on it.

You'd be surprised how many of those SBs are still there and available when you return. This past season I reconnected with a number of girls I had talked to the year before but never met, and yep you guessed it they are still interested. As others have said here, there is a constant flow of them, they aren't going away. Then if you start feeling a sense of addiction, go dark again, wait a month or two, and just keep doing it until your mind is accustomed to the start / stop cycle.

I've been meaning to write a little bit on the subject of holding our lives / marriages / jobs, etc. Whatever together while playing in the bowl. Recently I saw a TV show discuss a website called "RentAGent" where these cougars could hire stud-muffin GQ type guys for dates, or to clean their house shirtless or whatever (but no sex supposedly or the dude is fired). Sort of like an SB cub site for cougars. One of the more insightful comments was from a woman who said that the women who use this site need to be careful, because once they start surrounding themselves with these "perfect" men, they are setting a new standard for companionship for themselves that is unachievable in real dating, thus they are basically excluding themselves from ever finding someone who will truly make them happy.

It's a similar thing with the sugar bowl. Have fun and get your dick wet in some nice young pussy but jump back to reality every now and then to take care of life, or as the more trite saying goes play the sugar bowl and don't let the bowl play you.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2111710]I knew I was in trouble at the end of my most recent SB season when I met an unforgettable 10. When my GF returned from her travels, all I could think about is how could I find a way to put my GF back on that plane for a couple of weeks so I could continue my SB festival just a little bit longer.

When it was over, it took me a full month to fully recover, to remind myself why I was in this relationship in the first place, and to pull myself together / snap out of "the zone" and start enjoying the companionship I get out of my relationship again.

The bowl is extremely addictive, and will ruin your life if you allow it to. It's just like gambling, alcohol, drugs, sex, etc. In the sense that if done to excess and without a control factor, it will leave you penniless and without anyone in your life that really cares about you. I'm actually lucky that I have something of an automatic control factor that forces me to stop after a fixed period of time and resume my normal life. I suspect most folks have something similar (I. E. a wife that gets suspicious and limits activities, or kids to raise etc). If you don't have something like this to help you stop for extended periods of time, I would suggest just quitting cold turkey for at least 1-2 months, going dark and shutting down accounts, discontinuing existing contacts etc. Then start back up when you feel you have a handle on it.

You'd be surprised how many of those SBs are still there and available when you return. This past season I reconnected with a number of girls I had talked to the year before but never met, and yep you guessed it they are still interested. As others have said here, there is a constant flow of them, they aren't going away. Then if you start feeling a sense of addiction, go dark again, wait a month or two, and just keep doing it until your mind is accustomed to the start / stop cycle.

I've been meaning to write a little bit on the subject of holding our lives / marriages / jobs, etc. Whatever together while playing in the bowl. Recently I saw a TV show discuss a website called "RentAGent" where these cougars could hire stud-muffin GQ type guys for dates, or to clean their house shirtless or whatever (but no sex supposedly or the dude is fired). Sort of like an SB cub site for cougars. One of the more insightful comments was from a woman who said that the women who use this site need to be careful, because once they start surrounding themselves with these "perfect" men, they are setting a new standard for companionship for themselves that is unachievable in real dating, thus they are basically excluding themselves from ever finding someone who will truly make them happy.

It's a similar thing with the sugar bowl. Have fun and get your dick wet in some nice young pussy but jump back to reality every now and then to take care of life, or as the more trite saying goes play the sugar bowl and don't let the bowl play you. [/QUOTE]The longest I can go is about 3 days without sex before I get a very bad pain in the lower abdomen. No SO and jerking off is not an option. Too empty.

[QUOTE=JohnGSmith;2111078]
Honestly I don't feel as bad cheating on my SO now that I'm seeing all these girls cheating on their boyfriends, LOL.
[/QUOTE]Good job but don't close your eyes on your SO either, you don't know. Those BFs also did not know!

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2111720]The longest I can go is about 3 days without sex before I get a very bad pain in the lower abdomen. No SO and jerking off is not an option. Too empty. [/QUOTE]Have you gotten checked out for hernia? Quite common in athletes over 40 and pain can be in lower abs or nuts or both or neither.

And if I lived in L. A. and could afford to be a full time SD, I'm not sure I would have a regular GF at all (although in my case I'm not sure I would be happier that way). Sex isn't that exciting with the same person over and over but a relationship can be satisfying in ways that makes up for lack of variety, especially when you get an occasional vacation to sow the wild oats.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2111710]I knew I was in trouble at the end of my most recent SB season when I met an unforgettable 10. When my GF returned from her travels, all I could think about is how could I find a way to put my GF back on that plane for a couple of weeks so I could continue my SB festival just a little bit longer.

When it was over, it took me a full month to fully recover, to remind myself why I was in this relationship in the first place, and to pull myself together / snap out of "the zone" and start enjoying the companionship I get out of my relationship again.

The bowl is extremely addictive, and will ruin your life if you allow it to. It's just like gambling, alcohol, drugs, sex, etc. In the sense that if done to excess and without a control factor, it will leave you penniless and without anyone in your life that really cares about you. I'm actually lucky that I have something of an automatic control factor that forces me to stop after a fixed period of time and resume my normal life. I suspect most folks have something similar (I. E. a wife that gets suspicious and limits activities, or kids to raise etc). If you don't have something like this to help you stop for extended periods of time, I would suggest just quitting cold turkey for at least 1-2 months, going dark and shutting down accounts, discontinuing existing contacts etc. Then start back up when you feel you have a handle on it.

You'd be surprised how many of those SBs are still there and available when you return. This past season I reconnected with a number of girls I had talked to the year before but never met, and yep you guessed it they are still interested. As others have said here, there is a constant flow of them, they aren't going away. Then if you start feeling a sense of addiction, go dark again, wait a month or two, and just keep doing it until your mind is accustomed to the start / stop cycle.

I've been meaning to write a little bit on the subject of holding our lives / marriages / jobs, etc. Whatever together while playing in the bowl. Recently I saw a TV show discuss a website called "RentAGent" where these cougars could hire stud-muffin GQ type guys for dates, or to clean their house shirtless or whatever (but no sex supposedly or the dude is fired). Sort of like an SB cub site for cougars. One of the more insightful comments was from a woman who said that the women who use this site need to be careful, because once they start surrounding themselves with these "perfect" men, they are setting a new standard for companionship for themselves that is unachievable in real dating, thus they are basically excluding themselves from ever finding someone who will truly make them happy.

It's a similar thing with the sugar bowl. Have fun and get your dick wet in some nice young pussy but jump back to reality every now and then to take care of life, or as the more trite saying goes play the sugar bowl and don't let the bowl play you. [/QUOTE]I am, perhaps, one of those Men who could easily fall down the Sugar Hole and struggle to return to any sense of normal relationship. I'm divorced, financially comfortable where I don't have a work schedule to keep me preoccupied, kids are with the Ex, and I've had a vasectomy. LOL Oh, by the way, Las Vegas is my playground and the playground is in my back yard. There are so many SB's here in Vegas and I seem determined to meet all of them.

[QUOTE=Brian139;2111730]Good job but don't close your eyes on your SO either, you don't know. Those BFs also did not know![/QUOTE]Haha exactly. Actually just the other day my SO was telling me about how there are all these weird personal ads on CL. I played dumb of course but she could have very well read my Ad, LOL. She's not that good at being covert or covering her tracks, but still she very well could be meeting one of those guys.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2111750]Have you gotten checked out for hernia? Quite common in athletes over 40 and pain can be in lower abs or nuts or both or neither.

And if I lived in L. A. and could afford to be a full time SD, I'm not sure I would have a regular GF at all (although in my case I'm not sure I would be happier that way). Sex isn't that exciting with the same person over and over but a relationship can be satisfying in ways that makes up for lack of variety, especially when you get an occasional vacation to sow the wild oats. [/QUOTE]I already had the hernia surgery about 2 years ago almost. I just have to release every 3 days max and I rarely go that long. I miss at most 8 days a month.

[QUOTE=Rouleur;2112001]I am, perhaps, one of those Men who could easily fall down the Sugar Hole and struggle to return to any sense of normal relationship. I'm divorced, financially comfortable where I don't have a work schedule to keep me preoccupied, kids are with the Ex, and I've had a vasectomy. LOL Oh, by the way, Las Vegas is my playground and the playground is in my back yard. There are so many SB's here in Vegas and I seem determined to meet all of them. [/QUOTE]I have seriously considered moving there. So many transient girls and college girls and of course hot girls, entertainers, etc. I went to a fetish party there once. It's every month and this girl who was a trapeze artist showed up out of curiosity, I snatched her up fast, played with her for an hour till she squirted on me a few times and then she bolted out the door. No goodbye, nothing. LOL.

I've been exploring and considering the SD / SB arrangement. What kind of budget is a minimum to play? This may be out of my league, but I sure hope not! If anyone can direct me to info, it would be much appreciated!

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2112052]I have seriously considered moving there. So many transient girls and college girls and of course hot girls, entertainers, etc. I went to a fetish party there once. It's every month and this girl who was a trapeze artist showed up out of curiosity, I snatched her up fast, played with her for an hour till she squirted on me a few times and then she bolted out the door. No goodbye, nothing. LOL.[/QUOTE]Just a small example of "Vegas" I had a 18 year old Girl from Alabama, visiting Vegas with fellow High School Graduates, approach me near a Trader Joe's asking if I would purchase some adult beverages for her group. I had no doubt that she was selected to approach me, and whoever else, as she was like a young colt with long long legs that led to a tight ass and exposed stomach that wasn't overly cut but not soft either. Very perky breasts that basically said Hello to anyone in front of her. Beautiful smile and confident blue eyes that knew she was a hot young woman in a nasty nasty town.

I engaged in playful banter with her as I entered the store but made it clear I was not going to be the middle man for her group's Alcohol blast that night. She pouted in a way that said she wasn't really upset and I lost track of her as she went on to find another provider. A few minutes later, while I was staring at the fruit and thinking about the young ripe piece that had been so close to me moments before, the Girl showed up at my side again and said " I really like White Russians and, if later you buy me one, you might get lucky" with that she handed me a napkin from the Resort she and her group were staying at with her phone number on it. Without waiting for my reaction she turned around and sort of did that type of walk that kids do when they are really happy, sort of walking on the front of their feet with the heels barely touching the ground.

Guys, I am proudly very realistic about my looks and what I have to offer visually to women. I mean to say I am the most average looking late middle aged man you can imagine. I'm 56, grey hair, and a bit tall, 6'4" nowadays. I'm not currently in shape and no one would confuse me for one of the many retired pro athletes that live in this city. I was sure that the number was some kind of prank or set up for something really embarrassing. I had no idea that number was going to lead me to 48 hours of laughter, fun and sex with a girl I never imagined would be interested in spending time with me, much less ask me to let her drink my cum when we woke up together two mornings in a row.

I'm not very good at describing details so I'll save all of you from the misery. However the short answer to the question "why the hell me? 1. She was on her first trip away from her Parent's and Boyfriend. 2. She had been with her Girlfriend's father once when she was 17 and he "rocked her world, made her feel good" She was looking for another older Man to please her. And 3. She honestly wanted to have a "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" experience that she could look back on when she returned to Alabama. I just happened to be the lucky Man who won her prize.

I have addressed this before in this space and it is so true. In fact, I would venture to guess that most if not all guys in the Sugar world (including escorts, AMPs, cheaters) are addicts. I know I am.

An addiction is a dependence on a particular activity that makes your life unmanageable. This dependence usually leads to loss of control over one's life, and loss of family, loved ones, money, and sometimes jobs and ultimately one's life. Run while you can. I find myself not getting satisfaction from SO sex anymore. Sex with strangers, particularly hot young girls who I never had before is alluring and impossible to beat. Your SO cannot compete with the highs of this activity, so we are setting them up for failure.

I cannot wait until the next vaginal penetration, and I look at these girls as sex objects to be used for my enjoyment. Relationship? Not really. It's fun to have dinner and drinks, to squire them around to shock the housewives in public imagining their husbands doing the same thing. And to see the gleam of envy in the eyes of older men wishing they too had a size 2 hottie on their arm, and in their bed. Or you see that knowing glance from guys who are also in this world. " Good job Bro, you did well " I know they are thinking.

Why am I bringing this up? JL did, not me Haha. Thanks a lot brother. So I continue to search for that elusive "cheap" baby who can satisfy my needs, to feed the beast within me. To be the receptacle for my desires, and semen.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2112217]I have addressed this before in this space and it is so true. In fact, I would venture to guess that most if not all guys in the Sugar world (including escorts, AMPs, cheaters) are addicts. I know I am.

An addiction is a dependence on a particular activity that makes your life unmanageable. This dependence usually leads to loss of control over one's life, and loss of family, loved ones, money, and sometimes jobs and ultimately one's life. Run while you can. I find myself not getting satisfaction from SO sex anymore. Sex with strangers, particularly hot young girls who I never had before is alluring and impossible to beat. Your SO cannot compete with the highs of this activity, so we are setting them up for failure.

I cannot wait until the next vaginal penetration, and I look at these girls as sex objects to be used for my enjoyment. Relationship? Not really. It's fun to have dinner and drinks, to squire them around to shock the housewives in public imagining their husbands doing the same thing. And to see the gleam of envy in the eyes of older men wishing they too had a size 2 hottie on their arm, and in their bed. Or you see that knowing glance from guys who are also in this world. " Good job Bro, you did well " I know they are thinking.

Why am I bringing this up? JL did, not me Haha. Thanks a lot brother. So I continue to search for that elusive "cheap" baby who can satisfy my needs, to feed the beast within me. To be the receptacle for my desires, and semen.[/QUOTE]I believe that with enough practice, addictions can be manageable. When I was married, there was a period of about 3 years where I snuck out of the house 5 nights a week to go bar hopping and philandering. I was working from home so I had a lot of schedule flexibility, I would come in the house at 6 am many mornings, timing it perfectly before my ex woke up to go to work, yet never got caught cheating, not even once. Countless romps, countless beers consumed, countless hours spent in bars chasing multiple prospects at once and lining them up, giving each one the chance to satisfy my craving but only when I said when. Fucking them in my car if I couldn't find a place, or a hotel, or their place, wherever I could.

Unbelievably addictive. I became REALLY. FUCKING. GOOD at it. I had it down a science. This was back in the days before people used the Web to hook up, so nightclubs and bars were a pussy smorgasbord in those days in any large city.

In the end, despite never having being caught, it still cost me my marriage, a division of assets (OUCH! And a long period of time where I returned to exclusive civy dating, yet simultaneously realized what I had sacrificed in the process. How did the marriage end if I never got caught? Well because it changes who you are as a person, it affects your interpersonal relationships with others in ways you'll never see until it's too late. Karma is real.

Ultimately in reflection I realized where I went wrong. I lost control of my addiction. If you cannot summon the discipline to make yourself stop, it tells you all you need to know. It's just like the brakes have failed in your car. There will come a time when you need to slow the vehicle down quickly, and while that may not happen for some time, it's inevitable if you drive long enough. If the brakes don't do their job, you're fucked. It's the same with any type of addiction. If you cannot hit the brakes and stop the vehicle when you need to, you may not crash tomorrow but you will eventually.

So now, while I still think men were not designed to be monogamous, and I'm not pretending to stop all forms of cheating, I do "test my brakes" every now and then to be sure I can stop when I need to.

As posted yesterday, I had four options for the night and went with the sure bet. 38 year old mother of two. We met in Charlotte for a drink. I arrived first. She was right on time and as soon as she walked in I knew it was game on. This woman was fucking hot. Unbelievably so. Every man in the bar, with woman or not stared and she walked up to me. She was in a mini skirt, that revealed her more then average cleavage, legs for days, toned, fit, light tan, blue eyes and seriously the prettiest most perfect face I've seen on a woman in a very long time. She was blonde and obviously Swedish mix of some type. The woman was fucking stunning, a true, "woman's woman" and I wondered if I could keep up.

We sat and she drank. At first I thought she might be slamming them back at a good pace to help her "get through" what she was doing, but then it became apparent she enjoyed a good drink. She was well spoken, educated, classy, just plain fucking a pleasure to be seen with and talk to.

We had about five rounds of drinks, while she was touching my arm and leg in a lady like way and we talked. This told me she was game. So I popped the question if she wanted to get a room and without hesitation, she approved. During the walk to the hotel, we stopped and made out, passionately, her pulling at me, grabbing my cock, etc. We about did not make it to the room and I'm not kidding. LOL. In the lobby, during check in, same thing. DFK, heavy petting, everyone staring at this beauty with me.

Long story short, it was a solid 4 hours of head board hammering in the room. Every time I came and thought I could not muster up another round, she was on her knees sucking me hard again and then telling me to fuck her. We fucked in every possible position. Finally I had to tell her I was spent, had nothing left. She than turned sensual and all loving and cuddly on me. I rubbed her head and held her until she fell asleep. In the morning, it was another two rounds, but honestly, I lacked energy from the short night's sleep, drinking and that "not so fresh" feeling you have after a night of drinks and fucking.

As she got up to et dressed I was in awe of her beauty. This was not just a hot sexy woman, but the type that I would call a classic beauty. Nothing fake, hidden, or otherwise bullshit about her. Every part of this woman's body, face, skin, eyes and hair was perfect. I wondered why me. LOL.

I got a slight sense, of the ole, "what did I do" in the morning. Maybe a second thought about just having hooked up for a payment. But she agreed to see me again.

With a wonderful night, I still think I am opting for the younger girls. Something about their inexperience and feeling like a mentor that is just too appealing to me to give that aspect up. So as amazing as this woman was, I'm going back to the younger girls. But it was a very nice change of pace with a woman who was a fucking WOMAN in every sense of the word.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2112651]As posted yesterday, I had four options for the night and went with the sure bet. 38 year old mother of two. We met in Charlotte for a drink. I arrived first. She was right on time and as soon as she walked in I knew it was game on. This woman was fucking hot. Unbelievably so. Every man in the bar, with woman or not stared and she walked up to me. She was in a mini skirt, that revealed her more then average cleavage, legs for days, toned, fit, light tan, blue eyes and seriously the prettiest most perfect face I've seen on a woman in a very long time. She was blonde and obviously Swedish mix of some type. The woman was fucking stunning, a true, "woman's woman" and I wondered if I could keep up.

We sat and she drank. At first I thought she might be slamming them back at a good pace to help her "get through" what she was doing, but then it became apparent she enjoyed a good drink. She was well spoken, educated, classy, just plain fucking a pleasure to be seen with and talk to.

We had about five rounds of drinks, while she was touching my arm and leg in a lady like way and we talked. This told me she was game. So I popped the question if she wanted to get a room and without hesitation, she approved. During the walk to the hotel, we stopped and made out, passionately, her pulling at me, grabbing my cock, etc. We about did not make it to the room and I'm not kidding. LOL. In the lobby, during check in, same thing. DFK, heavy petting, everyone staring at this beauty with me.

Long story short, it was a solid 4 hours of head board hammering in the room. Every time I came and thought I could not muster up another round, she was on her knees sucking me hard again and then telling me to fuck her. We fucked in every possible position. Finally I had to tell her I was spent, had nothing left. She than turned sensual and all loving and cuddly on me. I rubbed her head and held her until she fell asleep. In the morning, it was another two rounds, but honestly, I lacked energy from the short night's sleep, drinking and that "not so fresh" feeling you have after a night of drinks and fucking.

As she got up to et dressed I was in awe of her beauty. This was not just a hot sexy woman, but the type that I would call a classic beauty. Nothing fake, hidden, or otherwise bullshit about her. Every part of this woman's body, face, skin, eyes and hair was perfect. I wondered why me. LOL.

I got a slight sense, of the ole, "what did I do" in the morning. Maybe a second thought about just having hooked up for a payment. But she agreed to see me again.

With a wonderful night, I still think I am opting for the younger girls. Something about their inexperience and feeling like a mentor that is just too appealing to me to give that aspect up. So as amazing as this woman was, I'm going back to the younger girls. But it was a very nice change of pace with a woman who was a fucking WOMAN in every sense of the word.[/QUOTE]Hate to ask, but not counting the drinks and room, what was the donation? And also, here's to you, for giving us all some hope of better days to come.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2112740]Hate to ask, but not counting the drinks and room, what was the donation? And also, here's to you, for giving us all some hope of better days to come.[/QUOTE]Drinks were about $55, hotel was a comp with my points with the Hilton, otherwise it would have been a $169 for that room. I gave her $250. I think she is seeking a true relationship more than being a true SB. And I'm done with that nonsense for the time being. This whole SB deal honestly is what I've been looking for, for a very long time. As stated in the other posts, it's full on addicting, so I have to monitor that aspect.

Interesting discussion lately on addiction.

There's often considered 4-5 stages of addiction.

Stage 1: Experimentation.

Stage 2: Regular Use.

Stage 3: Risky Use.

Stage 4: Dependence.

Stage 5: Addiction.

More info here on the actual stages: [URL]http://www.interceptinterventions.com/stages-of-addiction/[/URL].

They are mostly referring to substance abuse, but some behaviors and characteristics apply to us as well.

I'd say I'm probably between stage 2 and 3. I'm able to take breaks from the Sugar Lifestyle when I'm in a money pinch or other life issues come up before I'm in serious trouble. I take care of my regular responsibilities before sugaring. So I make sure I always provide first for my family. That said, I've had some close calls where an unexpected expense came up and I had less of a cushion because of my sugar activities. But I've never gotten to the point where I've decided to give money to sugar babies instead of putting food on the table. I'm still capable of taking 5-6 months off from the lifestyle voluntarily if I feel I need to without being forced.

However anyone who's read my reports here know that I sometimes engage in some risky behavior. But they're still managed risks and I haven't become completely reckless. Believe me, I've had plenty of chances to do way more crazy things or spend way more time and money on SBs, but I still try to do things in moderation. It's important to have self-awareness of what you're doing that way it's easier to catch yourself when you start to get out of control.

And we have to accept that a marriage one way or another is going to suffer while we do these activities. If you're trying to fix a marriage or preserve a good marriage, then the sugar bowl is probably not the way to do it. My SO completely let herself go physically and that was one of the big problems we had. I'm now banging 20 year-olds with 10 x hotter bodies and while I'm enjoying my time immensely, it's not exactly fixing that problem with the SO. In fact it's gotten worse because I now find my SO even less attractive now that I'm banging young hardbodies on a weekly basis. My SO does give me companionship on level that no SB I've met so far has really come close to yet. So I actually do appreciate the companionship aspect more from my SO than I did before.

Lately I've begun to take the old-school view of things. The SO is there to grow old with and you take on a mistress to make you feel young again. In many cultures mistresses are the accepted norm in society. It makes sense to me. Both fill needs that need to be met. You can't expect a SO to have a teenage hardbody forever. And it's hard to expect a 18-22 year old girl to have the life experience, maturity and wisdom of a woman 2-3 x her age. I know I've personally been a happier person the last couple of years since I've entered the sugar bowl. That said, my energy isn't a limitless pool and I'm sure certain aspects of relationships with my family have suffered while I've been juggling sugar babies and disappearing for hours at a time.

I would just also caution those new to the Sugar Bowl. It's very tempting to go overboard and try to bang every attractive girl that messages you. After all it's literally jaw-dropping initially realizing all these young women (who aren't PROs) wanting to bang an older man. But if you're not careful you can quickly exhaust all your funds and find yourself in a bad financial spot. Your Bowl career will have ended before it really got started. So just take things in moderation. After all you'll realize there is a near endless supply of young women. Yes you may miss out on a young hottie this week, but there will always be another young hottie a month from now, 6 months, or even a year later from now. You just might need to use a slightly different method or goto a new site. But the Pandora's box has been opened and the Sugar Bowl is here to stay, so remembering that might help manage your addiction and keep it under relative control.

[QUOTE=JohnGSmith;2112919]Interesting discussion lately on addiction.

There's often considered 4-5 stages of addiction.

Stage 1: Experimentation.

Stage 2: Regular Use.

Stage 3: Risky Use.

Stage 4: Dependence.

Stage 5: Addiction.

More info here on the actual stages: [URL]http://www.interceptinterventions.com/stages-of-addiction/[/URL].

They are mostly referring to substance abuse, but some behaviors and characteristics apply to us as well.

I'd say I'm probably between stage 2 and 3. I'm able to take breaks from the Sugar Lifestyle when I'm in a money pinch or other life issues come up before I'm in serious trouble. I take care of my regular responsibilities before sugaring. So I make sure I always provide first for my family. That said, I've had some close calls where an unexpected expense came up and I had less of a cushion because of my sugar activities. But I've never gotten to the point where I've decided to give money to sugar babies instead of putting food on the table. I'm still capable of taking 5-6 months off from the lifestyle voluntarily if I feel I need to without being forced.

However anyone who's read my reports here know that I sometimes engage in some risky behavior. But they're still managed risks and I haven't become completely reckless. Believe me, I've had plenty of chances to do way more crazy things or spend way more time and money on SBs, but I still try to do things in moderation. It's important to have self-awareness of what you're doing that way it's easier to catch yourself when you start to get out of control.

And we have to accept that a marriage one way or another is going to suffer while we do these activities. If you're trying to fix a marriage or preserve a good marriage, then the sugar bowl is probably not the way to do it. My SO completely let herself go physically and that was one of the big problems we had. I'm now banging 20 year-olds with 10 x hotter bodies and while I'm enjoying my time immensely, it's not exactly fixing that problem with the SO. In fact it's gotten worse because I now find my SO even less attractive now that I'm banging young hardbodies on a weekly basis. My SO does give me companionship on level that no SB I've met so far has really come close to yet. So I actually do appreciate the companionship aspect more from my SO than I did before.

Lately I've begun to take the old-school view of things. The SO is there to grow old with and you take on a mistress to make you feel young again. In many cultures mistresses are the accepted norm in society. It makes sense to me. Both fill needs that need to be met. You can't expect a SO to have a teenage hardbody forever. And it's hard to expect a 18-22 year old girl to have the life experience, maturity and wisdom of a woman 2-3 x her age. I know I've personally been a happier person the last couple of years since I've entered the sugar bowl. That said, my energy isn't a limitless pool and I'm sure certain aspects of relationships with my family have suffered while I've been juggling sugar babies and disappearing for hours at a time.

I would just also caution those new to the Sugar Bowl. It's very tempting to go overboard and try to bang every attractive girl that messages you. After all it's literally jaw-dropping initially realizing all these young women (who aren't PROs) wanting to bang an older man. But if you're not careful you can quickly exhaust all your funds and find yourself in a bad financial spot. Your Bowl career will have ended before it really got started. So just take things in moderation. After all you'll realize there is a near endless supply of young women. Yes you may miss out on a young hottie this week, but there will always be another young hottie a month from now, 6 months, or even a year later from now. You just might need to use a slightly different method or goto a new site. But the Pandora's box has been opened and the Sugar Bowl is here to stay, so remembering that might help manage your addiction and keep it under relative control.[/QUOTE]Very solid words of wisdom here. And being new to this sugar thing, I've had these exact thoughts bouncing around my brain the past month or so. My biggest issue thus far is cutting them off and letting them down slowly when I want to move to the next. Some of these girls get downright clingy. When I was married a decade ago, I had a four year, full on affair that I got trapped into and wanted out. I appeased the mistress so she would be content and not come looking for me. It about broke me financially. If I kept her happy, she would lay low. Neither my SO or mistress knew of the other. So I have developed some incredible cover and covert skills that would rival any CIA agent's ability over the years. And that is no joke. We all lived in the same town to. It was an insane four years that taught me some harsh and valuable lessons about life in general.

With that said, I am mature enough and have enough self awareness to know this SB hobby will border quickly on addiction for me. It's like stepping into an entire world I've only dreamed of before and can be had any night of the week, anytime I want with just a little skilled communication efforts. It scares me in that sense. But right now, I'm a volume guy. I spent the vast majority of my higher testosterone driven years sexless with a wife who did not care to please or be sexual. This is sort of a makeup time for me. And that is where I scare my own self some.

I love pussy, I love enticing these girls and listening to them moan with pleasure, showing them sexual stuff they never knew about, giving them orgasms they've never had before and so far, all I've seen have wanted seconds. When I was a strapping young lad, built like a NFL linebacker in my 20's -30's I never got that. Hahah, Now I'm middle aged, still decent looking, but the pussy is falling from the trees around me. It's a great feeling brother!

Not that I am surprised. Figured it was too good to be true. Not sure if she was completely BSing me or her friend really did back out. Either way, my SB is on her way here (should be arriving in the next 30 minutes). I was bitterly disappointed when I got the news and originally said maybe we should cancel tonights date. I thought maybe showing disappointment might make her even more eager to please. But I failed to turn up any other possibilities, and since my SO is out of town, figured I better take advantage so invited her down. Now, I have had a couple of drinks and I am not much of a drinker so already feeling the effects. I think tonight we are going to push boundaries.

[QUOTE=JohnGSmith;2112919]I would just also caution those new to the Sugar Bowl. It's very tempting to go overboard and try to bang every attractive girl that messages you. After all it's literally jaw-dropping initially realizing all these young women (who aren't PROs) wanting to bang an older man. But if you're not careful you can quickly exhaust all your funds and find yourself in a bad financial spot. Your Bowl career will have ended before it really got started. So just take things in moderation. After all you'll realize there is a near endless supply of young women. Yes you may miss out on a young hottie this week, but there will always be another young hottie a month from now, 6 months, or even a year later from now. You just might need to use a slightly different method or goto a new site. But the Pandora's box has been opened and the Sugar Bowl is here to stay, so remembering that might help manage your addiction and keep it under relative control.[/QUOTE]All true. All true. I started in the bowl with some funds but as the recession wore on the funds shrank dramatically. Just as I was learning the game, panic set in that I was not going to be able to continue due to my shrinking paycheck. Thats when I started doing the $ dates. More out of necessity than anything else. I am not knocking the big spenders, but when you date 20+ days a month you have to budget, if you are on a budget, or you will be out on your ass in no time.

The down side is, its unlikely I will have a date like Brother Deeds. And would like to be able to go that route if I feel like it. The up side is I found that no girl (except some utr's) are going to hang with you for a $ unless they really like you. And they will not be overall 9,s and 10's. They got a problem in some area. Either looks or skills may be lacking. The recession did make me up my game. I always counted on the money to get what I wanted and it worked a lot of the time, but not all the time.

Now I get more of what I want for less. If the time comes that I can pay more I will. Now I could easily get a 10 for $$. And many times I do get awesome girls for the $. But this place (and time in the bowl) has helped me a lot. One final note. I admit I am not big on the chase but I realize from all the stories here it can payoff sometimes. So I have been toying with a few NP's hoping for my reward in the end. It hasn't happened yet and my game seems to get thrown if I dont feel an instant attraction that leads straight to the FC. But I am trying it out anyway.