Massage Therapists

Has anyone partake? Those pics on the ad look real.

[url]http://honolulu.backpage.com/BodyRubs/gorgeous-asian-around-waikiki-hotelsin-call-andout-call-24/3495340[/url]

[QUOTE=KennethVO; 1507674]Has anyone partake? Those pics on the ad look real.

[url]http://honolulu.backpage.com/BodyRubs/gorgeous-asian-around-waikiki-hotelsin-call-andout-call-24/3495340[/url][/QUOTE]There have many reports on this small studio apartment / s in Waikiki near the Hyatt Hotel. Used to be Yoyo working the phone and advertise Aiain Dolly, she's a cute, chubby Chinese with ok personality. She has had several different and mostly Chinese women passing through. The photos are generally fake or very old. I have been there several times and they work out of two small studios in a small 2-3 story walk up on Koa street next to a Japanese restaurant Odoriko. Usually see a pimp hanging around the street and coming and going from the apt / s. I have watched him before and its hilarious because he looks around like he's checking to see whether it is clear to go up the the apt. But he's so obvious and stands out like a sore thumb. Pretty damn funny! It's hit and miss there. Some of the girls have been attractive and good full-service and some have been pretty skanky, if that's a word, with lots of tats and body worn out.

[QUOTE=Omelette;1505252]Enthusiasts, just a 411 to you and your favorite massage establishments at CC. Seems there were three undercover LE going around the CC businesses, I. E, massage business, asking under auspices of Neighborhood Watch Program asking for I'd, personal and business relatedl questions of various massage businesses in CC. Not sure if they hit all the massage businesses or select few based on complaints from residents or preestablished lists. Probably scanning for potential raid spots based on key indicators from questions and answers given. Just sharing for everyone situational awareness to you and your friends in CC. Anyone feel there civil rights were infringed on should contact Civil Liberty Union and report the incidents with badge no and name of undercover LE. Seems over compensation with three huge LE making rounds in support of Neighborhood Watch Program. My opinion and observation. Still free country. Still.[/QUOTE]Mahalo Omelette for the update.

[QUOTE=CatchSumWaves; 1506123]Funny, I forgot what Nuru Massage Style was so I Googled it and found this sensual video of a place in Montreal.

[url]http://vimeo.com/32434966[/url]

To bad it's not in Hawaii, I would go in heart beat.[/QUOTE]They also have it in Bangkok. Great thing is, the gel washes off very easy, not like oil.

AT2

I've been seeing her ad and I was always curious on what kind of service she provided. I finally took the plunge. She wears a lot of make up but is attractive. A lot better than her photo on CL. Massage was ok but she did put some pressure on my back where I needed it. After that she offered HE for another. 5 and I gladly obliged. Who wouldn't. She allowed my hands to roam once I was getting into it but at first she was hesitant about letting them feel her tits. Didn't feel much since her bra was in the way. Would I see her again? Yah I would since she's one of the few on the leeward side. L / A/S 8/8/8. Maybe she'll be more open next time since I've seen her once before.

[url]http://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/thp/3175208372.html[/url]

[QUOTE=KennethVO; 1507674]Has anyone partake? Those pics on the ad look real.

[url]http://honolulu.backpage.com/BodyRubs/gorgeous-asian-around-waikiki-hotelsin-call-andout-call-24/3495340[/url][/QUOTE]Avoid, or partake at own risk. Fake pics, and they work out of a tiny studio as Kukui Street described.

[QUOTE=Hihon; 1508121]I've been seeing her ad and I was always curious on what kind of service she provided. I finally took the plunge. She wears a lot of make up but is attractive. A lot better than her photo on CL. Massage was ok but she did put some pressure on my back where I needed it. After that she offered HE for another. 5 and I gladly obliged. Who wouldn't. She allowed my hands to roam once I was getting into it but at first she was hesitant about letting them feel her tits. Didn't feel much since her bra was in the way. Would I see her again? Yah I would since she's one of the few on the leeward side. L / A/S 8/8/8. Maybe she'll be more open next time since I've seen her once before.

[url]http://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/thp/3175208372.html[/url][/QUOTE]How was the room and parking situation?

[QUOTE=WraithOfGod;1508190]How was the room and parking situation?[/QUOTE]She's in a house on a small dead end street in Waipahu. Ok neighborhood. She asked to park on the street. There was parking but I saw her in the afternoon. I bet after work or in the evening it would be hard to find parking on the street.

[QUOTE=Poi Dog; 1506006]Mahalo for the info Blake123! Will let why'all know who I try. Lookin to have a massage today after a long day at work.

Stay safe Gents,

PD[/QUOTE]I have had Thai massage from here. Not bad. No extras.

[QUOTE=Stangman808;1506259]That's pretty cool.[/QUOTE]I just returned from a trip to Bangkok. Unfortunately, I was with my family so didn't have any time to sneak away. Will be back there in November. Will try out a few places. Prices look good. I did read threads on the International side.

[QUOTE=Hihon;1508515]She's in a house on a small dead end street in Waipahu. Ok neighborhood. She asked to park on the street. There was parking but I saw her in the afternoon. I bet after work or in the evening it would be hard to find parking on the street.[/QUOTE]Seen her when they were in Salt Lake, same situation street parking mid day no prob. Glad to hear you got a little extra, I straight up asked and I guess she wasnt in the mood, because I got denied, and referenced to her partner whom wasnt available at the time. Kayla massage was Nil. Frail fingers barely rubbed me down, a lot of attention near the boys but it wasnt a game of horseshoes. TO BAD because she was Absolutely GOrgeous. Agree there. Damage. 5 for short hour wipe down.

[QUOTE=Hawaiian007; 1509362]Aloha fellow mongers! Anyone got any intel on this new CL ad for tandem massage in Ewa Beach?

[url]http://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/thp/3179241447.html[/url]

Stay safe and remember we all dine at the Y sometimes.

007[/QUOTE]Howzit pals! That ad's photo and locale piqued my interest, so I did a little research and found that the first number may have been used for an "Oceanside Massage" a few years ago. The numbers also relate to two other Craigslist posts:

[url]http://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/thp/3164465949.html[/url] [this photo looks like someone's gumar from "The Sopranos"]

[url]http://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/thp/3178286552.html[/url]

I also learned that one of the women is older (62 y/o), licensed in massage therapy, though inactive, since 1999. She is current, valid and in good standing though.

[EDIT: I was willing to take one for the team and report next week, until I discovered the older woman is closer to my mom's age! Now I'll pass, even though the younger girl is cute.]

Laaate!

Jay Dubblefoh

Yea, I remember Oceanside massage in Ewa Beach was run by a older 60's white lady who smoked alot. If the 4 hand massage is with her, I wouldn't spend the money. I would rather spend the money for a 4 hand in town. At least visually it would be a better deal.

[QUOTE=Jan Fortifore; 1509777]Howzit pals! That ad's photo and locale piqued my interest, so I did a little research and found that the first number may have been used for an "Oceanside Massage" a few years ago. The numbers also relate to two other Craigslist posts:

[url]http://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/thp/3164465949.html[/url]

[this photo looks like someone's gumar from "The Sopranos"]

[url]http://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/thp/3178286552.html[/url]

I also learned that one of the women is older (62 why / o) , licensed in massage therapy, though inactive, since 1999. She is current, valid and in good standing though.

[EDIT: I was willing to take one for the team and report next week, until I discovered the older woman is closer to my mom's age! Now I'll pass, even though the younger girl is cute. ]

Laaate!

Jay Dubblefoh[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Da One;1509854]Yea, I remember Oceanside massage in Ewa Beach was run by a older 60's white lady who smoked alot. If the 4 hand massage is with her, I wouldn't spend the money. I would rather spend the money for a 4 hand in town. At least visually it would be a better deal.[/QUOTE]Oh yeah, I remember Oceanside, on Ewa beach Road. Inside a Quonset Hut-style house. Last time I went there was 6 years ago. I also rememer that older blonde woman who owned the place. When I was going there, she only had one girl working for her. Name was Nikki. Wish I could find Nikki again.

I took another look at Erlinda in Kaheka. Older Filipino woman, probably 50's. Gave a great Thai massage. Ended with HJ only. Won't repeat. Anyone know the contact info on her friend, Helen? Wouldn't trying her again.

Don't laugh. Any of you mangers know of action on Kauai? Hit me up in pm.

Forgot to get her name, but the lighter skinned provider at Asia Spa gave up the booty BB. Treat her nice, folks.

[QUOTE=Eric Shin;1511171]Don't laugh. Any of you mangers know of action on Kauai? Hit me up in pm.[/QUOTE]No mo nothing.

[QUOTE=Bumbai;1511222]Forgot to get her name, but the lighter skinned provider at Asia Spa gave up the booty BB. Treat her nice, folks.[/QUOTE]Mimi, the skinny one? Or Cherry, the juggy one?

Howzit fellow mongers! Found something interesting for those of you who, like me, are always on the look-out for a good, competent MT. Stumbled on this place by accident when I turned into an alley off Makaloa to make a U-turn. It's called Oasis Sauna (1540 Makaloa St. #411 949-2022). It's actually another one of those Korean sauna / spa places for women only, but which also accept men customers for massage. It's similar to the set-up at Aloha Sauna and Jade Stone, where men can't access the inner rooms but there is a seperate room for them.

Anyway, as good MT's are hard to find I decided to take a chance and called to make an appointment. Spoke with the owner, Jessica, and set something for the next afternoon. Arrived and got a ticket from the parking attendant. Don't forget to do this, as Oasis will validate it for you. Free parking is always nice to have. Was shown into a small room right off reception, in which there was a floor air conditioner and professional massage table. I noticed how everything was neat, clean, and orderly. Which is a good sign. Not like Jade Stone.

After undressing but leaving on the underwear as instructed (remember this is a legit massage only place) , got myself comfortable on the table. After a few minutes, in comes a petit, bubbly Japanese girl who introduces herself as Yuri. She is quite cute, but short so I was worried about her ability to do the deep-tissue work I had requested. But in the end, no worries. She gave me a good, professional deep tissue massage, searching out and attacking over-stressed and tense muscles from head to feet. Time went over the one hour I had reserved, which to me is always a good indication the MT is serious about her work and is not just a clock-watcher.

Yuri is from Japan, with a typical Japanese accent, sometimes a little hard to understand, but I was able to have an enjoyable conversation with her. As with many Asian women who are healthy and in good shape, it's hard to judge her age. Mid 30's? Maybe? No matter, she is sweet and does a great job with the massage, and that was why I was there. I've had literally hundreds of professional massages, and consider myself a pretty astute and discerning judge of MT's and their technique.

If you are looking for quality, deep-tissue massage (and nothing else) , I would highly recommend seeing Yuri. I will certainly be going back as soon as I can scratch together more money. Was 60 for the hour and I think 90 (best confirm this) for 90 minutes. Yuri is not there every day, so best call ahead.

I see a lot of adds in backpage for massage therapists in CC. However, unlike before no posts. Is it dead now or everyone hiding there girls? What gives, no stories?

[QUOTE=Crouchingtiger;1511756]I see a lot of adds in backpage for massage therapists in CC. However, unlike before no posts. Is it dead now or everyone hiding there girls? What gives, no stories?[/QUOTE]I do, at times, visit the places in CC like 908 and 1111, but in a lot of cases, the girls are all of the same ones just changing of the names and pictures, so for me nothing to really new to report. I don't go to any of the Thai places and a few of the others like 1105, Green Island. 105 and Ambrosia are a real hit and miss. I would rather spent the cash on a more sure thing like the AMPs which are written about more.

[QUOTE=Crouchingtiger;1511756]I see a lot of adds in backpage for massage therapists in CC. However, unlike before no posts. Is it dead now or everyone hiding there girls? What gives, no stories?[/QUOTE]Went to CC1111 a couple weeks back. Got standard CFS; nothing to write home about.

On craigs list. This place popped up. Any info? Girls photo looks good but there are also guy therapists.

The thing about the ad that strikes me is the part that says."any part of you that is visible, will get relaxed".

Could be a tease, but its 85 bucks for a 90 minutes, I might try it but I'm kinda cheap to TOFT at 85. Any info?

[QUOTE=Dr Slim; 1512577]On craigs list. This place popped up. Any info? Girls photo looks good but there are also guy therapists.

The thing about the ad that strikes me is the part that says."any part of you that is visible, will get relaxed".

Could be a tease, but its 85 bucks for a 90 minutes, I might try it but I'm kinda cheap to TOFT at 85. Any info?[/QUOTE]Went there about 3-4 weeks ago. Its a nicely decorated place, and their prices are finally coming down to reasonable. They were trying to pass themselves off as a hi end place. Its good if you plan on using the in room jacuzzi before or after the massage, but besides that just a standard massage. One of the male therapists is the owners ex or BF I think. Kept making it a point to be visible and heard, almost like he was trying to make sure customers knew not to try anything funny. Sad really. Massage was just so so. As always, YMMV and maybe theyre doing more now. If so, please report.

What was wrong with Erlinda? Every session with her was awesome. If Erlinda didn't give you her sisters number or they were not together doubt you will get it.

[QUOTE=TKO 147;1509894]I took another look at Erlinda in Kaheka. Older Filipino woman, probably 50's. Gave a great Thai massage. Ended with HJ only. Won't repeat. Anyone know the contact info on her friend, Helen? Wouldn't trying her again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dr Slim; 1512577]On craigs list. This place popped up. Any info? Girls photo looks good but there are also guy therapists.

The thing about the ad that strikes me is the part that says."any part of you that is visible, will get relaxed".

Could be a tease, but its 85 bucks for a 90 minutes, I might try it but I'm kinda cheap to TOFT at 85. Any info?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=RodeHog;1512598]Went there about 3-4 weeks ago. Its a nicely decorated place, and their prices are finally coming down to reasonable. They were trying to pass themselves off as a hi end place. Its good if you plan on using the in room jacuzzi before or after the massage, but besides that just a standard massage. One of the male therapists is the owners ex or BF I think. Kept making it a point to be visible and heard, almost like he was trying to make sure customers knew not to try anything funny. Sad really. Massage was just so so. As always, YMMV and maybe theyre doing more now. If so, please report.[/QUOTE]That place opened about a month ago and is owned by Tanya, who also owns Siam Thai in the CC. Maybe just go to Siam Thai instead so you don't have to deal with the BF.

[QUOTE=RodeHog;1512598]Went there about 3-4 weeks ago. Its a nicely decorated place, and their prices are finally coming down to reasonable. They were trying to pass themselves off as a hi end place. Its good if you plan on using the in room jacuzzi before or after the massage, but besides that just a standard massage. One of the male therapists is the owners ex or BF I think. Kept making it a point to be visible and heard, almost like he was trying to make sure customers knew not to try anything funny. Sad really. Massage was just so so. As always, YMMV and maybe theyre doing more now. If so, please report.[/QUOTE]Ex-husband, actually. They divorced not that long ago. And yeah, everything you said is spot on.

[QUOTE=Ck813;1512607]What was wrong with Erlinda? Every session with her was awesome. If Erlinda didn't give you her sisters number or they were not together doubt you will get it.[/QUOTE]Yes I agree with Braddah CK813; whats wrong with Erlinda? I seen her a couple of weeks ago and everything was on par for what she was described as in the form no more or less. BTW She is maybe early 40's not 50's.

Couple of weeks ago tried to go to 321, but has told to come back 2 hours later. Didn't want to wait, so since I had a decent time with Vicky previously I called to see if she was available. She was and I was at her place 15 minutes later. She is slightly above average looking, with descent body and nice personality. I have to say that I was a little disappointed with the results this time. She did a OK massage, and it felt good when she was probing around my butt and the area between the boys and ass, but had to stop her when she stuck her finger in me. Tried to see if I could somehow enjoy it, but just coudn't handle it. On the flip asked it I wanted a massage to jr. Told her I wanted the same as last time (BBBJ, CFS). Said she was on her period and couldn't or wouldn't do FS. Guess I should have asked before we got started, but I figure I was a repeat so she should know what I wanted. Anyway, settled for a BBBJ which I liked last time. Showered and she took off her top so played and sucked her boobs-was nice. She told me to lay on my back and she started off nice and slow, which I like. The problem is this is good enough to get me hard, but not enough to get me off. Asked her to go faster, suck harder, do something for more stimulation. She did improve a little, but was still too slow and light to finish me. What I thought was a good start last time, was frustrating this time. After about 10 minutes, she started using her hands, felt OK with some ball play and I finished about 15 minutes later. She kept getting me close, but would get tired and briefly stop or move postions which made me last longer than usual. She finished me, but felt king of sore. I know some guys like a hand finish, but I got hands and if I'm paying I would rather have something other than hands. Can't say it was all bad, but left feeling somewhat unsatisfied. $.2. Says she was going to move to Waikiki, so is probably there now. Don't think I'll repeat again.

[QUOTE=MongerGuy;1513775]Couple of weeks ago tried to go to 321, but has told to come back 2 hours later. Didn't want to wait, so since I had a decent time with Vicky previously I called to see if she was available. She was and I was at her place 15 minutes later. She is slightly above average looking, with descent body and nice personality. I have to say that I was a little disappointed with the results this time. She did a OK massage, and it felt good when she was probing around my butt and the area between the boys and ass, but had to stop her when she stuck her finger in me. Tried to see if I could somehow enjoy it, but just coudn't handle it. On the flip asked it I wanted a massage to jr. Told her I wanted the same as last time (BBBJ, CFS). Said she was on her period and couldn't or wouldn't do FS. Guess I should have asked before we got started, but I figure I was a repeat so she should know what I wanted. Anyway, settled for a BBBJ which I liked last time. Showered and she took off her top so played and sucked her boobs-was nice. She told me to lay on my back and she started off nice and slow, which I like. The problem is this is good enough to get me hard, but not enough to get me off. Asked her to go faster, suck harder, do something for more stimulation. She did improve a little, but was still too slow and light to finish me. What I thought was a good start last time, was frustrating this time. After about 10 minutes, she started using her hands, felt OK with some ball play and I finished about 15 minutes later. She kept getting me close, but would get tired and briefly stop or move postions which made me last longer than usual. She finished me, but felt king of sore. I know some guys like a hand finish, but I got hands and if I'm paying I would rather have something other than hands. Can't say it was all bad, but left feeling somewhat unsatisfied. $.2. Says she was going to move to Waikiki, so is probably there now. Don't think I'll repeat again.[/QUOTE]Whats Vickys look:

Length.

Width.

Dimension.

Area space.

And yes

Face cover.

Poke

[QUOTE=TKO 147;1509894]I took another look at Erlinda in Kaheka. Older Filipino woman, probably 50's. Gave a great Thai massage. Ended with HJ only. Won't repeat. Anyone know the contact info on her friend, Helen? Wouldn't trying her again.[/QUOTE]Info about Erlinda-

The good: Good massage. Good HJ. Nice person. Very friendly. Session lasts for a full hour; never rushed. Clean massage studio.

The bad: No BJ, no FS, no CBJ, no CFS. HJ only for sex. She doesn't like to be felt up, I. E. She doesn't like it when her clients touch her boobs, pussy and butt. She has a small rack so there really isn't much to touch anyway. If her phone rings during a session, she will answer it.

The reality: She will be 50 in October. She doesn't look bad for a woman who will soon be 50, but she does look like she is 50.

Other stuff: I heard that Helen has a legit full time job at Sam's club. I got that info over a year ago so I don't know whether she is still working there. I'm also not sure whether Helen is still in the massage business part time.

Went to Best Thai the other week and I was surprised to see they moved into the old Apple location. Had Ta and she was wearing short shorts and a nice top. Massage wasn't as good as I remember her giving and she did not offer extras like before. I probably won't repeat since no HE and there are better legit ones around.

I saw this ad for Jennifer so I took a stab at trying her out. Cute redhead. Sexy. Nice ass. Had a medium Swedish massage with lots of oil. No hint of extras. The massage is pretty nice, though. I might repeat. Found out she works 5 pm to midnight. Likes to talk.

[url]http://honolulu.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/beautiful-exotic-massage-in-paradise-jennifer/2453949[/url]

Anyone try? I Googled the number and I got Angel Home Care for Seniors. Strange!

[url]http://honolulu.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/sweet-asian-girl/3561096[/url]

[QUOTE=Pokesqd; 1514028]Whats Vickys look:

Length.

Width.

Dimension.

Area space.

And yes

Face cover.

Poke[/QUOTE]Vicky is slim Chinese, about late thirties, A cups with a little sag, small stomach pooch, but nice body for someone her age. Speaks English pretty well and is pretty outgoing and can carry on a pretty decent conversation once she gets to know you. Has a trimmed Bush, recently bleached her hair, which is about shoulder length. Massage skills are pretty good and if you are interested will do a very good and prolonged prostate massage. She told me that not everyone likes the prostate massage. She will definitely do HJ, possibly BBBJ and it could be a hit and miss with FS. I did FS with her once but she was way too sensitive when I tried DATY, sucking on her breasts and MISH. She is the only one who I will go to for an HE with no FS as her prostate, HJ will help me get off easy. FYI, she is now operating under the name of Queen's Relaxation massage on Backpages. Looks wise, I would give her a generous 7 mainly because I like her smile, personality and demeanor. Also, doesn't seem to be a clock watcher unless she has an appointment right after you.

[QUOTE=Kurocha;1515667]Vicky is slim Chinese, about late thirties, A cups with a little sag, small stomach pooch, but nice body for someone her age. Speaks English pretty well and is pretty outgoing and can carry on a pretty decent conversation once she gets to know you. Has a trimmed Bush, recently bleached her hair, which is about shoulder length. Massage skills are pretty good and if you are interested will do a very good and prolonged prostate massage. She told me that not everyone likes the prostate massage. She will definitely do HJ, possibly BBBJ and it could be a hit and miss with FS. I did FS with her once but she was way too sensitive when I tried DATY, sucking on her breasts and MISH. She is the only one who I will go to for an HE with no FS as her prostate, HJ will help me get off easy. FYI, she is now operating under the name of Queen's Relaxation massage on Backpages. Looks wise, I would give her a generous 7 mainly because I like her smile, personality and demeanor. Also, doesn't seem to be a clock watcher unless she has an appointment right after you.[/QUOTE]FYI. I believe this Vicky also used to work at the KB D'Amour. This was maybe at least a month ago. Don't know if she is still there.

[QUOTE=Warriors808;1515807]FYI. I believe this Vicky also used to work at the KB D'Amour. This was maybe at least a month ago. Don't know if she is still there.[/QUOTE]She mentioned to me Club Tommorrow as a place she had recently worked at.

[QUOTE=Justin Cruz; 1515631]Anyone try? I Googled the number and I got Angel Home Care for Seniors. Strange!

[url]http://honolulu.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/sweet-asian-girl/3561096[/url][/QUOTE]I have tried several times after this ad posted and no one picks up or calls back.

(I accidentally posted this in the wrong forum, so reposting it here)

So based on some good reports on Katy at Rose, I tried going there to see her. I called the night before just to be sure that I could reserve a time with Katy the next morning. But I don't think I got Katy. So when I get there, the door opens, and a super shy C-girl opens the door, practically hiding behind it and barely making eye contact with me (strike 1). I asked if she was Katy, she says yes.

Not bad looking, probably just better than average, L=6. I pay HF and get undressed in front of her while she is coyly staring at me stripping and I get on the table (real massage table) , no drape. She gets to the massage, and it's more of a body rub (strike 2). I was really hoping for a real bona fide massage as I heard Katy was amazing. Her legs are quite skinny, wearing basically tight boy shorts, allowed roaming all over her lower half during the "massage". She is really not talkative at all, and I'm straining to get a convo going, and I'm quite good at conversation, A=4. She does put a lot of attention on the ass cheeks and as she pulls it out on each rub, her fingers brush the okole-"Does it feel ok?" You know it feels ok. LOL. Nice. On the flip, she asks what I want, really just wanted good massage (too late for that) + HE. She wouldn't budge below 60, so I settled (sorry guys). But she stripped naked and allowed FIV and play with her B (at best) titties. She has a C-section scar. It was kinda warm in there and she was actually sweating a little bit (a big turn on for me). After about 10 minutes, I popped all over the place, bringing another little squeal from her. Wipe with warm towel, finished the massage on the front.

Ushered out after a little bit, didn't realize I had only been there for 45 minutes total until I was outside the door (strike 3 and I'm already out) , S=4. I feel like I got lied to and got Anna and not Katy. I'm still on the search for my Mika replacement of professional massage and fantastic HE in a young (ish) provider. I was going to try Erlinda until I heard she was grandma, not MILF. Tiffany at Kison sounds promising, maybe Lily (formerly at Ideal, now at CS, but can't find her #) , maybe Junko at CS, how about Michelle at Rejuve? If you read this far, thanks, just needed to vent a little.