The Sugar World

I am not saying that it's necessarily a bad thing, but I play percentages. Just like you pointed towards the bottom of your report. In most cases, strippers will be more expensive and more pro-vibish. But not a given for everyone obviously.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6307303]I don't see why that matters, many attractive women have been strippers, camgirls, etc.

Side note, here's my experience today and it is why I discuss extensively what the arrangement will entail before coming out here. I just arrived in Vegas today. I had some solid girls, but also a bunch of flaky ones that were hard to make plans with. I purposely triple booked my sex session today because I knew they were flaky. All 3 of them failed me, 2 of them ghosted and one of them couldn't find a babysitter.

I tried to get a last minute replacement girl, but she did the thing girls do which is taking fucking forever to get ready, but she has a hard stop where she's got to go do something. I emphasized multiple times that time is the most important thing, not how her eyeliner looks, but she didn't listen. Ended up she would be able to stay less than 1 hour, I told her to forget it and stay home.

I can't imagine taking even more chances with a bunch of girls who get to the bedroom and tell me they don't do anything sexual on the first date, or only want to give a HJ or strip for me, or won't do it without a condom.

Now I'm stuck in a hotel room with nobody to fuck tonight. Maybe I'll hit up an escort, or take a tour around the casino, but those working girls are even less likely to offer bare.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NapataJohn;6307635]Similar price StarshipXO Seems like an escort= 1 k.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bf5560d8-9c1a-448d-b84e-ccd0e92d188d[/URL][/QUOTE]She started at dinner and fun for 800. I asked if she could stay 3 h for that, she said 2 max. I asked if 3 h for 900 with BBFS was doable, she says 1 k.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/cb79e064-1a7f-42c3-8fc9-fadab174bb32[/URL]

Said she gets 1 k for meeting for coffee. I told her to go meet for coffee, seems like a good deal.

BTW just had another dud, took a chance on a girl who needed condoms and guess what, she required condoms even after I ate her until she came. Fucked her for 20 min while feeling nothing, eventually called it and sent her away with her allowance. Now contemplating going downstairs and snagging a CG if I can, or just going to bed instead of dealing with their likely poor service and high rates.

Fuck taking risks like that, I don't have time to waste on shit experiences.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/11b094ab-bc4c-480d-afd2-dbb712820cbc[/URL]

1 k PPM. Said some bullshit about if the sex is good, give her 1 k and she'll come back the next night. Any guesses on how likely that's going to be?

Also refused BBFS.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e2f7b438-d491-4e7f-9212-b4a709b4ad91[/URL]

Photos are pretty cute. They're also 50 pounds ago. Took another chance because fat chicks are great at fucking right? Wrong. Couldn't give head due to strong gag reflex, rode for 30 seconds before getting tired, I had to do all the work.

Ugly girls aren't better lays. You just don't fuck enough 10's to get a good sample.

In Vegas and had several potential meets in the queue. Chose one who has already blocked me on the site called AlluringPrincess.

Our texts were great over two days. Agreed on a gift amount set a time and place.

I wad there with gift in pocket 5 xx.

Waited. Waited. Sent photo of me there Then she texted and said cashapp 1 xx. Total time waster. At no point in two days of text did she bring this up.

I have another on the hook who refuses to discuss gift.

I have asked, directly, what she wants and she says let's meet in person to discuss. Suspiciously believe same deal will happen.

If I say okay let's meet at 8 pm at Bellagio to discuss she will say awesome. First cashapp me xxx.

Vegas girls are exhausting.

[QUOTE=Dgtx1975;6309878]In Vegas and had several potential meets in the queue. Chose one who has already blocked me on the site called AlluringPrincess.
Our texts were great over two days. Agreed on a gift amount set a time and place.
I wad there with gift in pocket 5 xx.
Waited. Waited. Sent photo of me there Then she texted and said cashapp 1 xx. Total time waster. At no point in two days of text did she bring this up.
I have another on the hook who refuses to discuss gift.
I have asked, directly, what she wants and she says let's meet in person to discuss. Suspiciously believe same deal will happen.
If I say okay let's meet at 8 pm at Bellagio to discuss she will say awesome. First cashapp me xxx.

Vegas girls are exhausting.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't say Vegas girls are exhausting, but I would say scammers are, and probably they are not even in this state or country! Did you have a voice contact first or facetime to verify the person on the other end is who they say they are? With texting you have no idea who is on the other end! I would never meet someone with text as the only contact and no other means of verification. At least everybody seems to be learning NEVER to send a deposit. Glad you did not lose anything but time.

Imagine you're a scammer. You're going to want to go where the largest number of potential targets are located. In the sugar world that is going to be guys that focus on 25-30 shapely and attractive white girls. I can say that in hundreds of meets I have been catfished once, and if any girl wanted to get cash upfront they asked me for it on the site or maybe txt. As far as getting booted from seeking, it's never happened once since the day they opened. And I have had some racy convos (but not for the last few years due to all the horror stories on USASG).

The reason is. I only date AA girls. They might not be your cup of tea. But 95% WYSIWYG. And they don't get into a huff when they can't come to a reasonable allowance with me. Maybe a quick one liner at most and then they are gone, but mostly they just ghost after my offer if its not to their liking. Just my 2 cents.

Hi, has anyone seen her? I searched the forum and didn't see any mentions.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c0bc9c4d-4bc1-4292-a42a-85d646206258[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/dd22d399-d62a-43c8-b584-cb286d36e2cd[/URL]

30 yo stripper. Body is okay, good naturals and curvy but not toned. Agrees to 500 PPM.

We go to dinner at a fancy steakhouse. While walking there, waiting for elevators, etc, she's rubbing and grabbing my dick over the pants. I thought this was a good sign of things to come, boy was I wrong.

Get to the room and I rinse off, she pisses but doesn't wash her hands while I'm showering. Come out and all the lights are off, I go to turn on a small lamp in the corner and she refuses, wants to fuck in the dark. Probably had stretch marks or something to hide, but I didn't feel anything with my hands.

She's extremely transactional and a shitty lay. Spends more time giving HJ than BJ. Tries to get an extra tip, and go back on BBFS when we agreed to it. Lazy at riding, asks me to fuck her but gets in the typical stripper mode, rushing me and asking if I'm cumming, stupid shit like that.

Eventually hops off my dick and asks to get her PPM. I consider telling her to get out with no money, but who knows if she had mace or a taser in her purse. I throw her out and toss her money after her, blocked her on SA and Google Voice. Check the pics she sent below.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;6311054]Imagine you're a scammer. You're going to want to go where the largest number of potential targets are located. In the sugar world that is going to be guys that focus on 25-30 shapely and attractive white girls. I can say that in hundreds of meets I have been catfished once, and if any girl wanted to get cash upfront they asked me for it on the site or maybe txt. As far as getting booted from seeking, it's never happened once since the day they opened. And I have had some racy convos (but not for the last few years due to all the horror stories on USASG).

The reason is. I only date AA girls. They might not be your cup of tea. But 95% WYSIWYG. And they don't get into a huff when they can't come to a reasonable allowance with me. Maybe a quick one liner at most and then they are gone, but mostly they just ghost after my offer if its not to their liking. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]I wish I could be attracted to AA or Asian girls. It's tough but I only like whites and white latinas. But at the same time, dating girls that most don't prefer is not the best way to have success imo. It's like if a guy came and posted about how he can get girls for $100 and never gets stood up or scammed, but he only hits up BBWs. Sure, you don't get scammed, but most dudes would trade dealing with scammers for not having to fuck fat chicks.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6312524][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/dd22d399-d62a-43c8-b584-cb286d36e2cd[/URL]

30 yo stripper. Body is okay, good naturals and curvy but not toned. Agrees to 500 PPM.

We go to dinner at a fancy steakhouse. While walking there, waiting for elevators, etc, she's rubbing and grabbing my dick over the pants. I thought this was a good sign of things to come, boy was I wrong.

Get to the room and I rinse off, she pisses but doesn't wash her hands while I'm showering. Come out and all the lights are off, I go to turn on a small lamp in the corner and she refuses, wants to fuck in the dark. Probably had stretch marks or something to hide, but I didn't feel anything with my hands.

She's extremely transactional and a shitty lay. Spends more time giving HJ than BJ. Tries to get an extra tip, and go back on BBFS when we agreed to it. Lazy at riding, asks me to fuck her but gets in the typical stripper mode, rushing me and asking if I'm cumming, stupid shit like that.

Eventually hops off my dick and asks to get her PPM. I consider telling her to get out with no money, but who knows if she had mace or a taser in her purse. I throw her out and toss her money after her, blocked her on SA and Google Voice. Check the pics she sent below.[/QUOTE]Can't see the pics or attachments.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6312524][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/dd22d399-d62a-43c8-b584-cb286d36e2cd[/URL].[/QUOTE]But still she looks very sexy in those pics, pity about the attitude.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6312524][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/dd22d399-d62a-43c8-b584-cb286d36e2cd[/URL]

30 yo stripper. Body is okay, good naturals and curvy but not toned. Agrees to 500 PPM.[/QUOTE]As I said earlier about strippers.

[QUOTE=SeckSee1;6302322]I have not been sugaring with new girls for quite some time for a couple of reasons. 1. I found two steady SBs that are fantastic (neither of which are in the game / on the site anymore) and I have been doing my thing with them steadily. 2. I got kicked off the site. I am thinking about getting back in the game for someone new. What is the going rate for SB PPMs now? I know this is and has always been a range but I am seeing a lot of 500. Are there still plenty of women who will accept less or has 500 become the new standard?[/QUOTE]Prices have definitely gone up, but it varies on the girl. I think if you're looking for a girl for less than 300 you're better off just looking for a Casino Girl walking the strip or in the casino. You'll have a better chance after 1 am.

An SA veteran girl will charge more. A new SA girl will be more willing to accept a lower offer, but you better be somewhat attractive and close the deal fast before she gets better offers from other guys. These girls get so many offers from rich guys flying in from all over the world. The best looking and younger girls easily get offered over $1,000 per date. The funny thing is that women think their value goes up as they get older, when it's actually the opposite.

My advice would be to decide on what your budget is and offer it upfront. If it's 400 or 500 then tell her. And be specific if you want her to spend the night or just a couple hours. Don't ask her how much she's looking for because she'll give you a high number and then you'll look cheap and weak by trying to negotiate down and that just wastes time. Meet for a drink at your hotel and feel her out. If it feels good then move it to the bedroom.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6312524][URL]But at the same time, dating girls that most don't prefer is not the best way to have success imo. It's like if a guy came and posted about how he can get girls for $100 and never gets stood up or scammed, but he only hits up BBWs.[/QUOTE]I agree with your point 100%. But AA is my preference as far as race. Although I could be attracted to a girl of any race or country if she was my version of hot.

But within that very large group I then narrow it down to looks, body type and personality. Anyone who follows me knows my body type (petite spinner). So not really giving anything up there. Personality wise they need to be on the very submissive / kink side of things if they expect to see me more than once. Although if a girl mentions she is kinky in her profile I pass. As far as skills ofc we all want that sexy, flirty type that's long lasting and anything goes. But on some level it's a YMMV scenario to some degree.

As far as price I am convinced that $ amounts have nothing to do with skills or the overall sensuality/sexuality of a girl (only talking about girls that look hot to begin with). And if she likes you it's probably gonna be a bit better than average. But the highest paid SB I ever knew personally. High as in there was never any talk of money (because the amounts being spent are sky high right out of the gate). Well that girl wasn't all that in bed. She was a whole lot of fun, super smart, and she was the stereotypical california busty blond. The kind of girl that the truly wealthy pursue. And she used to tell me I was demanding and that most guys were happy with much less in the FC. (dated her for 2 years when I was balling).

But we all have our own version of what a 10 is for us. And thanks for all the posts. Keep up the good work. My own rough calculation is that 5% of the members leave 99% of the posts.

Just to add on to the stripper commentary. Overall I don't pursue them and if they say dancer in their profile I pass immediately. The reason being, out of my four regulars one has danced for 6 years and the other for 3 years. When I hear the way they talk about the customers they see in and out of the club, I almost (but not really) feel sorry for those guys. Generally speaking they are paying top dollar for minimal service. Yes they look great but not really a good bet if you're just another trick.