General Reports

OK... I know that cruising is a hit and/or miss prospect. But frankly, 0.2 for FS??? WHEN was that? Even *I* would be embarrassed to pay so little for FS. Where in the States would one find such a low price? Dream on if you think you can get that regularly. No, I don't think times have changed, only our hallucinations.

In the past week or two, I saw several SWs whom I recognized, including one of our SW TV stars who was still as socially pleasant as ever.

Frankly, part time SWs may be generally ignorant of the going price. There is an opposing pressure on the price: Who would not prefer a PT novice? Wouldn't you pay more?

Remember to follow the basic rules of mongering (I have posted them numerous times--if you don't know them, do the research.)

Respect the SWs as fellow human beings, pay a respectful price, and both of you will reap the benefits.

Giani

[QUOTE=Mr Boombastic]Man have some of the WSW due to their shortage gotten arrogant.

There were so few decent WSW out, that the decent one have noticed they have a real bargaining chip in the game now. Some have stopped settling for a lower price, where they did before, and others have gotten so busy that it is almost like taking a number. I had one I know go to the corner store rather than come over to me, and we know one another. She now knows she can get more if she holds out, and acts uninterested. I had to laugh, because she was the same one that just after winter passed wanted to do fs for 20, and 5 extra for a 2nd nut. Wow, how times have changed?

I am seeing a slight incline in price and what a lot of SW's are asking and accepting. The hardcore are still the same, but the parttimers and decent SW are looking to ask for more money. They are getting very picky, and down right arrogant. This will only get worse, because the decent SW numbers are extremely low. I just had one who is one of the very better looking hardcore WSW tell me the 411 on the situation in otr/we, and it ain't good. I even had to work at it just to get her, when before she would just hop in. She saw another mark who she knew she could get over on. But to my luck, he must have missed her, and did not come back. She is a fox, and she could easily create a waiting list. Easily!

We are in a buyers market now. If you want decent SW of anykind! If you will settle for anything. You can still find whatever you want?

Has anyone else noticed?

Oh by the way the he/she was out yesterday walking finlay towards central pkway, and alot of his friends were too. Later that night they had control again of the whole area, as a roving pack of fags. Two of them were big enough to be football player. Hey bengals. Defense!

Bbastic[/QUOTE]

Just yesterday. Mr. G?

There is a difference between regular SW's and the parttimers. Regular go by the going rate, and if at any point one will do it for less so be it. I will tip for good service, but I ain't that generous. I don't wheeled gangbanger money.

I had a chance to hang around otr/we most of the early evening until about 11:45pm. Around 8pm I called ms. E. Who had minutes amazingly, and we agreed to meet up. Ms. E. Is about 23, very thin, very atractive, use to have a nice attirude, when she was strictly parttiming, now she has the makings of a scam artist. The rush job type, hurry up, I hear someone crap. Actually she walked down to where I was parked, and we went to a location spot where I paid a mutual person we both know a. 05 to use his room. Ms. E and I agreed on. 25w. 05tip. 05pic. 05room, paid my me. At the last moment she closed on the pic. I think if I offered more (. 15) she would have changed her mind, but I had limited funds and a limited plan. We did it and she got her money, thus everyone is happy. Ms. E. Only answers her cell after 7pm, because then she gets free minutes. Evenually I will have to cross ms. E. Off the list. Scammin big time, for people who don't know her already.

Myself and a few friends stopped up at a house bar and drink a few beers. I don't much like drinking more than a 2-3 beers at a house place because you never want to be caught drunk at a house place without very, very close good friends. And you would be amazed at how many white guys, and women come through this place. The drinks are very cheap and not too watered down. The beers are just a buck fifty for a 16oz. Can. At about 11pm I deceided to leave. Upon leaving I meet ms. M. Who asked if I could give her a ride over to that bar near john st. Forgot the name. On the way we did the quick chit-chat, and she gave me the needing to make some money routine. I asked her how much for fs, and she quoted me. 020. And she said it in a way that people had offered her less. We agreed on a hiden spot we both knew of and did it there. After we were finished and she checked her money again, I had to take her back to the spot I found her because she lost some type of lens to her glasses. After a little looking with a bright flashlight and about 15 minutes, she found it, and I dropped her off near queenann's bar. Ms. M. Was in her mid-thirty's and had a very good personality and attitude. I did tell her that I will be contacting her again, since she did show me where she lived.

Low prices and rates. Is not the norm, but every now and then you get "lucky. " I have missed out on a lot, by just being a car or two back, or turning one way instead of the other. I saw three really nice, what I thought to be WSW, walking with a group of black guys on three ocassions. When they are in a group like that, they will mainly ignore you, until you catch them alone. They last one disappeared into the drug area over near the fire station at that corner apartment building.

All-in-all, the going rate is 30, but is they say less, I ain't gonna school them. It is a sellers market now, and I am surprised the price hasn't settled at 40 or more. They get as much respect, friendliness, and everything else from me and sometimes more than with other guys willing to pay more.

It's just a matter of timing and luck!

BooMBastic.

[QUOTE=Giani]OK... I know that cruising is a hit and/or miss prospect. But frankly, 0.2 for FS??? WHEN was that? Even *I* would be embarrassed to pay so little for FS. Where in the States would one find such a low price? Dream on if you think you can get that regularly. No, I don't think times have changed, only our hallucinations.

In the past week or two, I saw several SWs whom I recognized, including one of our SW TV stars who was still as socially pleasant as ever.

Frankly, part time SWs may be generally ignorant of the going price. There is an opposing pressure on the price: Who would not prefer a PT novice? Wouldn't you pay more?

Remember to follow the basic rules of mongering (I have posted them numerous times--if you don't know them, do the research.)

Respect the SWs as fellow human beings, pay a respectful price, and both of you will reap the benefits.

Giani[/QUOTE]

Recently, taking a tour around OTR, I saw quite a few interesting ladies "on the street." No way would I think these were SWs... (Just to be clear.) But they may look familiar to the practiced monger.

Across from the Shell station (do NOT pick up near there!) I also saw a thin, tricked out stilettoed piece of work in VERY tight pants who from a distance looked like a hot one. You know the rest of the story. Com'on--Real OTR SWs NEVER advertise like that.

I have it on good authority that decent BBBJCIM still goes for 0.2 + tip, and FS for 0.4. For less than that, you may get more than you bargained for. But as always, choose your friend carefully, behave in a cautious but congenial manner, pick a safe location, and agree clearly up front about what for how much. (Same old story--see my mongering rules if you would like more specific lessons.)

So here are several pictures of (certainly not) SWs on the street.
LE: take careful note. These are NOT SWs...

Giani

Hey G-man,

I have to say I have not pay more than $30 for everything including pix for almost a year or more.

I always start at 20, then they go 30, I say 25 max, then it's usually a deal. If I do pix I will ask only after the deal is made, and if they want more money then I offer only an extra 5. Most times I get them for no extra charge, because they owe me for some type of taxi service drop off to their favorite dealer instead of a long walk. I have even taken them back to their place or a relatives, instead of having to beg someone for a ride. More than anything. They just feel comfortable with me. Especially according to the horror stories they have told me, about what some of the mongers have said and done. I am no saint. But if I get a bargain I'm gonna take it!

I know the place that mr. B. Is talking about. He is a little braver than I about being there even though, I go there too. Sometimes! It is not an SW hang out, but more a gathering place for people trying to catch up with other folks in the area/neighborhood, and it is strictly for an over #30 crowd. There rare is any harecore SW there, but a few parttimers hang at the place, and that is, same can be said for all the other clubs in the area.

So as a matter of record. I have gotten all of them for 25w/5tip, and most times pix were free and for a plus. Basically that comes out to 30, but I neigotiate it differently, because if I say 30 as a deal, then more will be expected for anything more, especially pix.

Lastly. I am starting to see a severe shortage of WSW, especially the decent ones. And the ones out that are more than decent have now gotten mass attitudes, because they know they can ask whatever for their serve. Some of the same p/t WSW I saw a year ago, that would barely show attitude, are now totally different. I saw (3) very nice blondes over a two day period and got to talk to two of them who told me they won't do anything for under 50, and it will be 20 extra for pix. I simply said "no thanks", and walked back to my car. The other WSW just ignored everyone until her popcorn pimp, okayed a deal. They were at the little park on finlay near vine.

Times are ah changin!

Word!

[QUOTE=Giani]Recently, taking a tour around OTR, I saw quite a few interesting ladies "on the street." No way would I think these were SWs... (Just to be clear.) But they may look familiar to the practiced monger.

Across from the Shell station (do NOT pick up near there!) I also saw a thin, tricked out stilettoed piece of work in VERY tight pants who from a distance looked like a hot one. You know the rest of the story. Com'on--Real OTR SWs NEVER advertise like that.

I have it on good authority that decent BBBJCIM still goes for 0.2 + tip, and FS for 0.4. For less than that, you may get more than you bargained for. But as always, choose your friend carefully, behave in a cautious but congenial manner, pick a safe location, and agree clearly up front about what for how much. (Same old story--see my mongering rules if you would like more specific lessons.)

So here are several pictures of (certainly not) SWs on the street.
LE: take careful note. These are NOT SWs...

Giani[/QUOTE]

Does anyone have experience with Rayne, who advertises regularly on CL - Cincinnati? She looks good (IMO), but I hestitate to go with osmeone who has no reviews?

To me, this lovely is a work of art. Look at her stance, her attitude, and her courage. Gotta love it.

Giani

P.S. Yes, I know this is low rez--but your imagination is at least as good as my camera...

I found this on CL.... good info to have....

D'Nut

PS--- What's up guys? Long time no see....

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What the Agencies Don't Want You to Know - w4m - 24

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Reply to: [email]pers-370373061@craigslist.org[/email]
Date: 2007-07-09, 10:22PM EDT


THE FOLLOWING POST IS LISTED PERIODICALLY IN THE COLUMBUS EROTIC SECTION, BUT THE WORDS HOLD TRUE IN ANY MARKET. I HATE TO SEE ANYONE GET RIPPED OFF SO POSTING IT HERE IN CINCINNATI. THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS WHEN GIRLS SUDDENLY SHOW UP AND THEY ARE NOT REVIEWED ON ANY OF THE BIG SITES FOR THIS HOBBY (FAVORABLE REVIEWS ON CL DO NOT COUNT AS MANY TIMES THEY END OF BEING SELF REVIEWS DONE BY THE SCAMMERS THEMSELVES). BE SUSPICIOUS OF THOSE GIRLS THAT BLOW INTO TOWN AND ARE OFFERING OUTCALL ONLY. JUST READ THE POST AND TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH - AND JUST MAYBE IT WILL HELP TO KEEP YOU FROM FALLING VICTIM TO A SCAM... BUT IF YOU DO FALL VICTIM, REPORT IT ON CL TO SAVE OTHERS FROM THE SAME. ANYHOW, HERE'S THE POST:

This is the post that many of the Escorts and Escort Agencies in Central Ohio DON'T want you to see. Many of the posts by girls here are misleading. They want you to believe you are getting full service when in reality, they only offer a dance and/or mutual masturbation. When this post does get flagged, that means the scammers are actively posting at that time. If you ask for FULL SERVICE, they will say, “Yes, I’m full service”. What they don’t tell you is that their idea of full service consists of you masturbating yourself to completion. After you get ripped off, you might ask the girl "I thought this was full service"? They will tell you that the legal definiton in Ohio for Full Service includes mutual masturbation. That is a lie. Their is NO legal definition of "Full Service" in the Ohio Revised Code. This is how it works: You agree to meet the girl. She will likely show up with a driver. She will ask for $130 to $200 up front. If you make the mistake of paying this, you might as well say goodbye to it. The driver will take the money to the car and usually wait. From here, the girl will tell you that the money you just paid is for the driver, agency, or a show up fee. She will now tell you that she only works on tips. You now have to negotiate a price to have the girl continue. This will range from $200 to $300. If you pay her, you are now about to learn about the term “Full Service” from her terminology. She will likely only offer to strip and conduct mutual masturbation. You WILL NOT be allowed to touch her and she WILL NOT touch you.. Once you figure this out, you might ask for a refund. It is likely she will tell you there are no refunds. Though, there is a slim chance she will refund your second payment, you are definitely not getting your first payment returned. She will likely leave and you are out anywhere from $130 to $500. If she does conduct a strip or mutual masturbation, there is no refund what so ever, guaranteed.

How to deal with this:
1. If a driver or second person shows up, you are about to get ripped off.... GUARANTEED! Do not answer the door if they come to you. You need to watch and see if she comes with someone. If the girl that shows up is not the girl pictured, it is very likely a SCAM. If a non pictured girl shows up with a driver, you might as well write off any money you give up.

2. IF you have the confrontation with the driver and the girl, make an excuse to cancel. At this point, the driver will tell you there is a cancellation fee. It usually ranges from $100 to $150. Hopefully, you have not let them into your room. They will try to come into your room prior to conversation because when the confrontation happens, you will feel more intimidated to give up the money. Remember, your room is your safe haven until they are inside. If you are in a situation where you can’t avoid the confrontation, refuse to pay the money. If you are bigger then the driver, they will likely leave. If not, immediately have your cell-phone readily available and tell them that you will call the police and the police can resolve it when they get here. Though, this is something you won’t likely want to do, I can assure you, they don’t want to confront the police anymore then you do. They will likely leave at this point. Trust me, you don’t owe them a cent.

3. Watch out for the scenario where the girl shows up and asks for the money up front. After you pay her, she will open the door and hand the money to a driver who is now outside of your door that you didn’t see the first time. If this happens, you may as well say goodbye to that money and get ready for the second round of negotiations to start all over again. Once again, you are about to get ripped off. If a girl shows up and you let her inside and asks for the money up front, open the door and see if anyone is standing outside the door. If not, the driver may be waiting in the car. Know the cars in the parking lot prior to the girl arriving. This way you can spot the driver more easily. The girl may insist on taking the first payment out to the car. If this happens, you are about to once again get ripped off. She will take it to the driver. If she does go to the car and give the money to a driver, get ready for a second round of negotiations IF she returns.

4. They will say whatever is necessary to get the initial payment from you. Once you have given up that money, they don’t care anymore, they got what they wanted and can and will leave at anytime they want. Anything else they get from your wallet is just a bonus now for the girl and the driver. Once they have your initial payment, they know you aren’t going to call the police. They can do as they please and they know it.

5. In some cases, the girl will agree to meet you at a hotel before anyone has a room. Sit in your car and wait. Prior to her showing, ask what kind of vehicle she is coming in. If she comes with a driver, simply drive away. If they ask what you are driving, be vague. Once again, if you are foolish enough to make contact, they will ask for the initial payment up front using the excuse that they have to pay for the room. Whatever you give them, say goodbye to it and be ready for the second round of negotiations.

6. Incall/Outcall- It does not matter if the girls are incall or outcall. The escort agencies and girls use both. Once they have scammed one guy, they have full use of the hotel room for the rest of the day and night. Once they have the room, they offer incall. If you schedule with a scammer, it usually works like this; The girl will tell you to go to an area close by and then call her back. Once you do that, she may direct you closer to call back or just give you the actual location. When you do this, drive the parking lot and check out all of the cars closely. Usually, the girls will have a driver waiting in his car in the same parking lot. If you see this, just drive off. You are about to get ripped-off. If you do go into the room, negotiate exactly what you are getting. Make her say it. If she refuses to discuss the details, LEAVE! You are about to get ripped-off. If you do give up the initial payment and she wants to take it out to a car, you are about to get ripped off. She will either leave or come back after leaving the money with the driver. At this point, you have lost your initial payment and are on your way to the second round of negotiations. The most common hotels that are used by the escort agencies for incall are the hotels on E161 close to I71. They also use the hotels behind the Continent (Zumstein Dr.). They also use the hotels off of Brice Rd. North and South of I70. The last common area they use are the hotels off of High St. (Rt. 23) north of I270.

7. Prior to meeting with a girl and her likely driver, you have to call the phone number they give you. Just be direct with them. Ask them if this is mutual masturbation and/or a dance ONLY. If they are a licensed agency/business, they might tell you the truth but it is unlikely. Another common response is "I can't discuss that over the phone". If they won't discuss it, you are about to get ripped off. Just to be sure, ask if there will be a driver. If they say “Yes”, just hang up. You are about to get ripped-off. One common quote they love to make is “I promise you won’t be disappointed”. Don’t be tricked. This quote means nothing and you will be disappointed.

8. A very high percentage of ads in the “Columbus Dispatch” and “The Other paper” are exactly what we have discussed above. ALL of the phonebook ads under “Escorts” listing agencies are as listed above. In addition, most of the girls’ ads in the Dispatch and Other Paper are actually ads from escort agencies listed in the phone book. The agencies have several phone numbers they use that all ring to the same phone and answered by the same operators. They change numbers like you change pants every morning. They change numbers because they know guys won’t call the same number that is known as a rip-off number.

9. As you may already know, there are open businesses that you are aware of (You can find there ads in the “Dispatch” sports section) in which these businesses offer mutual masturbation. At least one of these businesses are responsible for sending girls your way with a driver also. Remember, they have several phone lines also.

10. Remember, they want you to believe they are doing something illegal. It’s a game of words. An example of this is an ad that says "this is not an offer of prostitution". This is reverse psychology. They think if they post this that you will believe it is prostitution. This is probably the only time in reality that they aren't lying (This only applies to CL). For other reverse psychology phrases, see rules 7 and 11.

11. If you have made the mistake of paying the driver and the secondary costs to the girl, she will continue to tell you that "The more you pay, the more you get". Though, she won't tell you how much more no matter what. She will just continue to get you to try to pay more and more. The more you pay, the more you will lose and the simple fact is, you will never get to touch her and she won't touch you no matter how much you pay.

12. If the service advertises a rate for a half hour or you are offered a 30 minute rate, it's very likely to be mutual masturbation (DIY).

13. As you read this, remember, the local escort agencies and DIY scammers are reading this also. They are changing there tactics in advertising on CL in hopes that you won't distinguish them from a legitimate provider. You have to use common sense. Think with the big head and not the little fireman. If the ad seems to good to be true, it is. Hot women do not suddenly show up in Columbus and just start advertising on CL.

14. One way to spot a scammer is to keep a running list of phone numbers of suspicious ads. Eventualy, you will find the same phone numbers listed in multiple ads for different girls. I know, I told you earlier that they change numbers like you change your pants every morning. They do change there numbers frequently, but they also use a number long enough until they feel it is no longer of any use to them. In addition, compare numbers you get on CL to phone numbers listed in the "Dispatch" and "The Other Paper". When you find a match, compare the ads. The comparison should raise a red flag.

15. If you do meet one of these girls and get burned. Remember, you are angry at the girls(s), driver, and the agency. The best revenge you can put on them is to take money out of there pocket by reporting which CL ads are a SCAM. Give as much detailed information as possible to include the phone number in the ad, a description of the girl(s), driver, and the vehicle he/she is driving. CL is anonymous so there is no fear of embarressment. DO NOT report legitimate providers as scams. It only defeats the purpose of our goals. If you have a personal problem with a legitimate provider, take it to "Rants and Raves".

16. You should NEVER invite these people over to your home or apartment. (Hypothetical) The girl and driver shows up. You see the red flags and cancel. If you refuse to pay the cancellation fee, they WILL intentionally make a scene in front of your residence waking up or getting the attention of your neihbors. They do this in an attempt to embarress you into paying them. This is the best case scenario. Use your imagination and you should come up with many other possible bad scenarios or crimes that could result from this. Just ask yourself, do you really want these people to know where you live?

17. WHERE THE MONEY GOES - The intial payment mostly goes to the agency. The second round of negotiations goes to the girl (Second round of negotiations usually start at about $200 to $300). The driver gets a percentage of the take from the second round of negotiations and possibly gets a small cut of the initial costs.

18. Recently some of the scammers have began to post ads without pictures. They are requesting that you e-mail them first before you receive a picture. They are doing this because the guys are catching on to the scammers ads and flagging them. Lets use commos sense, why won't they post them in the ad but instead e-mail them? Use common sense. Also, refer to rule #13.

19. On 6-25-2007, A male by the name of Mike responded to this post claiming that he would offer drivers services to girls, Craigslist posting number 360084157. In the post he seemed concerned with the reputation of drivers and the girls safety. He offered to be a driver for the girls and would not accept additional money from the girls. In addition he said he would be there to make sure nobody got ripped-off, scammed, or hurt. He said this was a new idea so that the driver isn't always a bad thing. With this, I contacted Mike pretending to be a local Escort Agency. I offered Mike a job with certain conditions and an understanding of what the job entailed. I told Mike; 1. He would pick up the girls and take them to meet upscale gentlemen. 2. Once the lady is paid, he would hold the money until the lady returns. 3. Under no circumstances, would he give a refund to the gentleman. 4. He would be responsible for collecting a $150 cancellation fee. 5. He would be paid $10 per customer and 20% of additional monies after the intitial fee collected by the lady. 6. Oh yea, and the services offered only by the female are DIY (Mutual Masterbation). Mike gladly accepted the job offer knowing all of the above. Mike knew he was advertising his services fraudulently with every intention of becoming part of the scam. This clearly makes my point as stated above. If there is a driver, it is a SCAM! Thanks for your help Mike. By the way, I did save the electronic paper trail so you couldn't deny it later.

20. This post will not last very long. Let's do everyone a favor and work together on this one. Copy and paste this post to your hard drive. When you notice that the post has been flagged and deleted from CL, re-post it. Everyone has a right to know about this ongoing scam. If enough people know about this, the rip-off artists will stop posting here.

21. I have received requests from people asking for a recommended provider or asking if a specific post is a scam. I do not respond to these e-mails. The most common question is "I called this girl who posted and she sounded really nice over the phone". How is she supposed to sound that shows her as a scam? If you are asking this type of question, you are thinking with the little fireman. The goal of these posts is to show you how to deal with the confrontation of a suspected scam. If I provided information on legitimate providers, it would delegitimize this post as a whole and would show a personal agenda. This post shows you how to pick out legitimate posts and how to pick up the signs of a suspected scam. If you simply memorize these simple rules, it is unlikely you are going to get ripped-off. Their are guys out there who actually believe it is worth spending up to $1000 to have a female watch him jack off. This post does not apply to these guys. It applies to guys who are looking for more then jacking themselves off and avoiding girls who mislead them into believing they will get more then mutual masturbation.

Actually, it makes me glad. Hey--I can get scammed with SW for only 0.2-0.3. If I go for escorts, I could get scammed for 2.0-4.0, and beaten up to boot!

On the other hand, this hobby teaches one about the baser elements of human nature... Yes, I have been ripped off by SWs, numerous times (no recently, I am happy to report), just look at some of my early posts...

I found it interesting that many of the cautions in the CL/escort post are covered by my Mongering 101 list... ESPECIALLY, do NOT give up the $ up front!!! And be SURE it is clear what for which? And do not get yourself into a corner.

So... for newcomers, read carefully, be CAUTIOUS, do not commit to anything until tests have been performed.

Thanks D Nut for the post. I actually enjoyed reading it as a cautionary tale. And the writer has good style! Love the repetitive "You are about to get ripped-off..." Truer statement was never made.

Thanks for the post, and welcome back, stranger!

[QUOTE=D Nut]I found this on CL.... good info to have....

D'Nut

PS--- What's up guys? Long time no see....
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I took notes from a friend of mine about his recent experience in OTR:

He reports that he picked up M******e in OTR yesterday around 6:30 PM. (He said she was the ONLY prospect on the streets at that time): glamorous, tall, thin, blonde, about 30. At first, with her standing on a corner, so good looking in her jeans, white top and sunglasses, that he was worried she was part of a sting. (She said thanks when he told her this later). Said he circled around three times, finally pulled into a side street. She followed and jumped right in. "Need a ride?" "Sure..."

He said she was SO congenial, it was a GFE. While her face was a little pock marked, her smile and attitude trumped that. She eagerly agreed to the feel test. (He said she spent considerable attention to the area between his legs... so much that he was pretty much ready by the time they got to the spot.) She said she loved what she does. (He said if it isn't true, she deserves an Oscar!)

At his favorite spot (agreed on BBBJCIM for the usual fare), he says she displayed unbelievable oral skills: taking plenty of time, caressing, massaging, little finger exploring the distant nether land... (I wish it had been me!!!) This guy would not stop about the pleasure she lavished on him. She told him afterward that she was all tingly from the experience. This is not a usual SW line, even it IS a line. He ate it up. He said, if he were scoring her: looks: 8, cleanliness: 9, attitude: 10, skills: 10. Yes, he said she likes butter on her bread.

He said she gave him digits, but he does not know if they work. He will get back to me if they do. She told him she is out only a couple days a week. He considered himself fortunate to be there on one of those days.

Don't we all wish we were him!!!

Giani

D-Nut good post! I have actually seen some of these a few times....never had problems with a driver but I have had the girl give me the "you won't be disappointed" and The price is all inclusive routine only to try and re-negotiate when she showed up. I always held negotiation to the caliber and attitude of the provider. I agree if the girl isn't as advertised send her packing and tell the agency she doesn’t bath. Once from a major upscale hotel during a big convention I told the agency receptionist that I had seven other potential clients in the hotel waiting for a full report before they placed an order, the provider they sent was gorgeous and very attentive; all inclusive in the price quoted by the agency. You have to have a counter scam...but it can only work so many times. As for the drivers that want to come to the door and collect the money.....I look out the peep hole and if it is a guy I won't answer the door, if the agency calls I simply tell them I ordered a female not a male and then hang up.

Man it must have been task force Wednesday.

There seemed to be more le out then than on the weekend. They had dealers lined up against the walls all over otr/we. That is a good thing! But it rids the area of SW's. No dealers, no girls, no action, no need to bother!

Even the ones not worth picking up were gone. And a lot of le were making themselves obvious sitting in their cars only about 50-100 ft. Way from the dealers. I was just glad it never came to a confrontation, but it looked like both sides "wanted" one.

I came away empty handed, but I did se some new tricks used by both side in the game of "cat & mouse". If you are out and you see an over abundance of le mobile and walking, plan for another day.

And to the guy if you read the wsg and this forum, fix your muffler. As you were being obvious in your cruising, anyone could hear you from a mile away. Ya it could be an le trick, but I don't think it was. One of the exsw's I was talking to who went ligit for now told me she knows him. I would think he would know better. And the color of his car really helped him stand out. The man really looked out of "place. " hopefuly he reads this forum. He was cruising for about 90 minues, because he drove past where I was parked about 4xs. I guess maybe eventually he found something or just gave up.

All in all. The streets for my taste were "M. T."?

Ran across this... gotta love the guy's name too. :-)

[url]http://www.wxix.com/Global/story.asp?S=6807328[/url]

Sheesh. I doubt we have the whole, clear story here, but several thoughts:

a) Just proves that a male libido does not necessarily disappear by the time you are 90! Sex can STILL get you in trouble after nine decades. If he can get it up at that age, he deserves a medal. If he can't then how extensive can the damage be?

b) Pulled the leg of his shorts up??? How lame is this bust? He wasn't waving it in the public breeze, right? *Who* was attracted to this guy, and peered down into this 90 year old's *KIA* to see what they could see???

c) Can you blame a 90 year old, faced with the offer of some young snatch (even an "under the cover" decoy), for involuntarily reaching out just to see if it is REAL? (Stings should be limited to hornets and bees...)

OK--I am HARDLY defending pedophiles who lure children off into the woods. But this is HARDLY such a case. Can we get LE to address serious crime?

And heck, if your name is Dickman, don't you have a responsibility to live up to the name?

Thanks CS for this post of the pathetic sides of our region, both LE, and sad old men.

Giani

[QUOTE=Cincy Sinner]Ran across this... gotta love the guy's name too. :-)

[url]http://www.wxix.com/Global/story.asp?S=6807328[/url][/QUOTE]

Man it is apparent. That, this 90 y/o man needed some mental help, not time in jail. He needs to be in the lewis center, or a very restrictive rest home. Some place away from the rest of the patience there. It is amazing at 90 he could even get to the park. I think in this guys earlier day, he might have done this before. I mean few people fear a 90y/o unarmed man, unless you're a 90y/o women.

I do feel kinda "sorry" for him. I hope doesn't have a stroke or heart attack while in jail.

But. Lets face it. It was "funny" to hear about!

[QUOTE=Cincy Sinner]Ran across this... gotta love the guy's name too. :-)

[url]http://www.wxix.com/Global/story.asp?S=6807328[/url][/QUOTE]

The following report has the Acadamy winner best song for 2006.
From: Hustle & Flow
Composed by: Paul Beauregard, Cedric Coleman, Jordan Houston (Music/Lyrics)

"You know it's hard out here for a pimp (you ain't knowin)?When he tryin to get this money for the rent (you ain't knowin)?For the Cadillacs and gas money spent (you ain't knowin)?Because a whole lot of bitches talkin shit (you ain't knowin)?Will have a whole lot of bitches talkin shit (you ain't knowin)"

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Here's a few pics of the regular SW's with their pimps. I've noticed that most of the girls have a pimp these days. Rare you see a girl working on her own in OTR or dosen't have a pimp. Anyone willing to share what they know about any of the following SW's in the pictures? I especially would like to know about the thin SW with dark shoulder length hair in the picture on the corner of Findley with her pimp and in the picture of her alone on Elm & McMicken. She is one of busiest in OTR. Is she worth it?

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"In my eyes I done seen some crazy thangs in the streets?Gotta couple hoes workin on the changes for me?But I gotta keep my game tight like Kobe on game night?Like takin from a ho don't know no better, I know that ain't right"

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Personally I don't trust a SW that's with a pimp at her side. In other cities, my experienced has been poor when trying to hookup with them. They want to talk about a deal through the window first before getting in your car or the pimp himself walks up and deals with you before the girl would get in the car. Hell with that crap I never would talk with the pimp and I would end up driving off. Also the SW with a pimp would have higher prices and would never negotiate and had limits on what she will do. What can anyone tell me about their experience with a SW and pimp here in OTR.

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"Man these girls think we prove thangs, leave a big head?They come hopin every night, they don't end up bein dead?Wait I got a snow bunny, and a black girl too?You pay the right price and they'll both do you?That's the way the game goes, gotta keep it strictly pimpin?Gotta have my hustle tight, makin change off these women, yeah"

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Just want to start a discussions on the SW and the pimp scene I see all the time now that OTR has less girls than a year ago. Slim pickens and very few new faces. Honestly none really look good to me and for the last year I've not picked up one SW in OTR. There are other areas in Cincy and Covington Ky where I've found more and more girls are coming out. Better quality and better prices. A few post back I've read someone was saying WSW in OTR were charging .50 as their bottom starting price! That's crazy and I haven't seen a .50 quality in OTR for a long time. The right girl I'll pay that for BBBJ and FS but she has to look good and has a good attitude. What has been the going rate for FS from the SW in OTR lately? Frantly the heavy present of LE makes it hard for me to meet anyone in OTR. Everytime I'm down in OTR there's a sheriff or LE in car or on bike near me.

Watch carefully for LE and be safe and:
You know it's hard out here for a pimp (you ain't knowin)

Harpo2u

Here are the two people just recently caught having sex at 200 West Central Parkway during rush hour.

Do you think the guy has any sense about finding a nice quiet place for a quickie. He certainly never RTFF. This is an excellent example why you leave the area if you pick-up a SW. A few weeks back I was watching the Liberty, Walnut and Main street area and couldn't believe how several mongers pick-up SW's.
1: They were talking to the girl before she got in the car.

2: The monger never checked his surroundings for LE or possible under-cover watching. Which could of been me taking pictures and alerting LE to move in on him.

3: A couple of mongers were leaving with the SW to a nearby spot ( 3 -4 blocks away) for their service and they never noticed that I've followed and seen were they went.

Were they newbies that don't follow the rules or maybe they don't know about this site and all the trouble they can get into. Your guess is good as mine. Either way I saw some pretty stupid stuff lately by amateurs.

Anyone seen the woman before? She kind of looks familiar to me. Is she a regular SW in OTR or just a stupid horny broad?

RTFF and learn the Rules or this will happen to you.

Harpo2U

You pointed out several mistakes he made, not the least of which is to get the hell out of the area for any activity he might have anticipated...

Gotta ask tho--were you following these unfortunates?? We don't think that is such a good idea...

A) We all need privacy... (tho I understand your interest)

B) If they think you are LE, it could get sticky to say the least

C) You could get snared in the whole mess if LE is watching the scenario going down...

[QUOTE=Harpo2u]Here are the two people just recently caught having sex at 200 West Central Parkway during rush hour.

Do you think the guy has any sense about finding a nice quiet place for a quickie. He certainly never RTFF. This is an excellent example why you leave the area if you pick-up a SW. A few weeks back I was watching the Liberty, Walnut and Main street area and couldn't believe how several mongers pick-up SW's.
1: They were talking to the girl before she got in the car.

2: The monger never checked his surroundings for LE or possible under-cover watching. Which could of been me taking pictures and alerting LE to move in on him.

3: A couple of mongers were leaving with the SW to a nearby spot ( 3 -4 blocks away) for their service and they never noticed that I've followed and seen were they went.

Were they newbies that don't follow the rules or maybe they don't know about this site and all the trouble they can get into. Your guess is good as mine. Either way I saw some pretty stupid stuff lately by amateurs.

Anyone seen the woman before? She kind of looks familiar to me. Is she a regular SW in OTR or just a stupid horny broad?

RTFF and learn the Rules or this will happen to you.

Harpo2U[/QUOTE]

I had a feeling someone wouldn't really understand the point I was making about watching your surroundings when picking up SW.

I had a feeling someone wouldn't really understand I'm trying to help others in their pursue of picking up SW. The purpose of this Board is "Men looking for Women for Sex".

I'm not interested in following other mongers and watching. This was a one short afternoon while doing personal business in OTR. I saw the guy pick up a SW and go down a dead end street near Liberty St. and Main St. When he drove off I drove off at the same time going in the same direction myself. He pulled down a dead end street with his SW and I drove on past the street going my merry way. I didn't park nearby and watch the dude. I knew that the SW probably directed him to that spot. Not a good idea if it was. Watching him no.

That's NOT MY INTEREST DUDE!

I was making a point that the guy was really careless and when he was talking to the SW at the time there were several people nearby and couldn't miss seeing what happening. It took place on Main St. where people were doing business in the middle of the afternoon with the shops open. I was doing business at the time myself with other people coming out and going in a shop! I was a bit surprised that this dude was so open about what he was doing in an area that you need to be MORE CAREFUL. Rules do apply in all areas but it's a big difference when you have a lot of people in an area and businesses are watching activity and will call LE on this activity compared to an area like Elm St. between Findley and McMicken St.

Do you, Giani, feel that operation Vortex is over and finish in OTR and things are back to the way they were a year and a half ago?

Also LE has purchased Segways for patrolling upper Price Hill area along Warsaw and Glenway Ave. The Segways have cameras on them so that another LE in a patrol car on his laptop can watch what is going on in real time. We are in a Big Brother digital world.

Do you now get the picture or are you worry about privacy?!

Also, could you explain the statement you, Giani, made about "things getting sticky" and "I could get snared in the whole thing". Sounds like threats you made.

Let me say this, a couple of years ago a SW I've pickup once and she was a rip off artist. It was no real biggie but never the less she was out to rip off other mongers. I happen to see her again and she was trying to flag down another guy to rip off. The other guy was about to hook up with her but I rode by and motioned to the guy for his attention and quickly told him she was no good and will rip you off. He nodded and drove off knowing that I knew the ***** and was helping him out. I had the same thing happened to me a couple of times by other mongers in another city.

Giani, did I invade this one guy's privacy? Or did I helped him?

If privacy is your concern, then why are you on this board?

I know I'm coming across hard at you, Giani, but you really missed my point and purpose for that report. I wanted others to understand that as well.

Harpo2U


[QUOTE=Giani]You pointed out several mistakes he made, not the least of which is to get the hell out of the area for any activity he might have anticipated...

Gotta ask tho--were you following these unfortunates?? We don't think that is such a good idea...

A) We all need privacy... (tho I understand your interest)

B) If they think you are LE, it could get sticky to say the least

C) You could get snared in the whole mess if LE is watching the scenario going down...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mr Boombastic]Man it is apparent. That, this 90 y/o man needed some mental help, not time in jail. He needs to be in the lewis center, or a very restrictive rest home. Some place away from the rest of the patience there. It is amazing at 90 he could even get to the park. I think in this guys earlier day, he might have done this before. I mean few people fear a 90y/o unarmed man, unless you're a 90y/o women.

I do feel kinda "sorry" for him. I hope doesn't have a stroke or heart attack while in jail.

But. Lets face it. It was "funny" to hear about![/QUOTE]

I assumed the guy got busted doing that lame "are you a cop" test where you either grab a feel or expose yourself. It looks like he got busted for both. I don't think he was randomly exposing himself. According to the article, he was in his car, and had contact with an undercover cop.

. Man I know where you are coming from.

I see the same thing all the time. Look at the end of my post #573. The dude with the loud muffler, trying to pick up SW's. You could hear him a mile away. I see folks do the same damn thing at all the corners, and I see the girl walk so damn slow over to your car, that I have just drove away. The smarter one's are quick on it and know the deal.

But I have been told. They are there in the hot spots because that is where the money is at, and thus take the risk. You know those drugs make them do crazy shyt.

I have told the girlz to be somewhere else and move away from the hot spot, and keep an activate cell phone. But they never do either. Who is surprised by that. Even the regulars have are moving around more. And with the good weather more men are going out to hunt. I don't call them mongers, because most mongers know better. Most not "all"?

So I can see the merit in what you are saying. I use to be able to almost guarantee someone I can pick up within a 1-2 hour search, theat I considered decent. Well, not anymore!

I told you people these SW's out there who are decent but not harecore SW are asking for more money. The fewer decent ones out the higher the price they want. I almost had to pay 40 for one Friday night. Only because she was a friend of an SW I personally knew did I get fs at 30. Now we have a standing price. No more no less! Pix are 5 extra, and that ain't bad. If I am getting a break in price, it is according to how I previously treated them or an okay from a friend we both know and trust.

I do see where giani is coming from too, because I have driven up on some SW's in a car and told them just to meet me at a particular spot, and the dude were so frighten that they dumped the girl out right then, and drove off. So I stopped that. They know if they see me I will be waiting at a spot they know I'll be at for the next 30-40 minutes. So they get dropped off close by. So I can see g-mans point too!

The streets were dead last weekend. And le was hot everywhere.

[QUOTE=Mr Boombastic]. I told you people these SW's out there who are decent but not harecore SW are asking for more money. The fewer decent ones out the higher the price they want. I almost had to pay 40 for one Friday night. Only because she was a friend of an SW I personally knew did I get fs at 30. Now we have a standing price. No more no less! Pix are 5 extra, and that ain't bad. If I am getting a break in price, it is according to how I previously treated them or an okay from a friend we both know and trust.[/QUOTE]


Thanks Boombastic

Your right about most mongers should know better about picking up girls. There must be a lot of newbies coming out and probably paying the higher prices and not knowing better. This is hurting the regular mongers like us and if you add the price of gasoline it's costing us more than last year prices.

Personally .4 or even .5 for FS and BBBJ and any-other acts is not that bad of a price when you compare to the prices the girls on the CL are asking!
If the girl is decent looking and gives good services then I can't really complain. There will be girls going for higher prices and then you do find some girls with better bargins for your bucks out there. This is a free capitalistic country and best that it is that way.

However, remember we really have what they want. We have the MONEY. We can live with out their Pu**y. They need our MONEY for their drug habits. They can't live on their good looks for long. Get word out if you can that us regular mongers will not pay more for less. Start turning them down if they don't come down on prices. This will let the pimps out there know who is in charge. The pimps are the ones behind the higher prices.

We can shop in other areas and look for better bargins if we post on here where and what. We can help each other out which is what this board is all about. Not info about some old gay guy getting caught in the park.

Now a change of topic.

Here is a newbie SW in another part of the city. Spacy Stacy I call her. She was a .4 for everything I wanted plus the pics. Nice girl a part-timer. She'll do whatever you want with no complains or attitude which is rare with the OTR SW in my experiences. Also I have digits but sometimes she out of minutes. They never learn do they. Stacy very much like a girl next door except her drug habit is coke:-)

Another thing about paying prices if you had paid .4 or .5 once and treat they nice and they call you for a hookup, they will come down in price. Understand. I turned the tables around on the "Supply and Demand" rules. I discovered that if I give them my digits and they call me because they need MONEY then I'm in control and can call what price I can pay. Learn how to deal gentlemen, learn how to deal with SW beside the old standard drive up and pick them up let them state the price. It's like playing chess.

Think about it gentlemen.

Here are a few pics for you to enjoy.

Happy hunting and be safe out there,

Harpo2u

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Wanted to post pictures of a regular provider from NKY. I call her "J" and She is in Covington. That is all I can say. I did have digits but she lost her phone but she is usually out and about at the usual spots.

She's one that calls me and we hookup at the Kroger's for the right price. She has a friendly attitude and been a regular of mine for quite awhile. During the last winter when pickings were slim to none in the OTR, she was one of a few that kept me warm through the cold nights.

Happy hunting and be safe out there.

Harpo2U

I did some mongering last Friday night outside of OTR and found a couple of WSW. The first one I picked up was a short thin cutie named Jodie. I wanted to go to a hotel and have some fun but she said she doesn't leave her neighborhood. I'd never heard that before. I tried to find a spot but she was paranoid about the cops. She suggested a BBBJ for .2 while I drove around. I agreed but she proceeded to say that she would meet me later and go to the hotel. She got me for the .2 with no service! I guess she needed a fix. She actually wanted me to wait for her. I said ok to get away from her. Like I would ever give her another dollar! I cruised some more and did see Jodie out again. She tried to wave me down. Maybe she was serious about going to the hotel. I decided to pass her by since I already lost the .2 .

I did cruise another area where I was surprised to find another WSW. Her name was Amberly. She told me their were alot of Trannies in the area. She was in her early 20's and was a little chubby but decent looking. I took her to her place. We had to wait as 5 people got out of the apt. so we could be alone. That was a little strange. We agreed on 1/2 & 1/2 for .40. Her BBBJ was really bad. The sex was wonderful! She played with herself and rubbed my johnson on her wet snatch before we did it missionary. She seemed to be enjoying it and whispered naughty things in my ear as I rode her hard. I asked for her number. She said she didn't have a phone but I could knock on her Apt. window if I wanted to get together again.

[QUOTE=I Need It]I did some mongering last Friday night outside of OTR and found a couple of WSW. The first one I picked up was a short thin cutie named Jodie. [/QUOTE]Sounds like you may have crossed paths with McKenzie/Jodie and the scam sounds consistent. Several of her CL reviews as McKenzie made it sound like she's a committed scammer.

Here's the link to Harpo's comments over in the Escort folder.

[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=3978[/url]

I saw Harpo's Jodie a couple days ago late afternoon heading down State looking totally wacked out. The pics on the web look passable but it looks like the street (and chemistry) has taken its toll on her.

Dz

[QUOTE=I Need It]I did some mongering last Friday night outside of OTR and found a couple of WSW. The first one I picked up was a short thin cutie named Jodie. I wanted to go to a hotel and have some fun but she said she doesn't leave her neighborhood. I'd never heard that before. I tried to find a spot but she was paranoid about the cops. She suggested a BBBJ for .2 while I drove around. I agreed but she proceeded to say that she would meet me later and go to the hotel. She got me for the .2 with no service! I guess she needed a fix. She actually wanted me to wait for her. I said ok to get away from her. Like I would ever give her another dollar! I cruised some more and did see Jodie out again. She tried to wave me down. Maybe she was serious about going to the hotel. I decided to pass her by since I already lost the .2 .

I did cruise another area where I was surprised to find another WSW. Her name was Amberly. She told me their were alot of Trannies in the area. She was in her early 20's and was a little chubby but decent looking. I took her to her place. We had to wait as 5 people got out of the apt. so we could be alone. That was a little strange. We agreed on 1/2 & 1/2 for .40. Her BBBJ was really bad. The sex was wonderful! She played with herself and rubbed my johnson on her wet snatch before we did it missionary. She seemed to be enjoying it and whispered naughty things in my ear as I rode her hard. I asked for her number. She said she didn't have a phone but I could knock on her Apt. window if I wanted to get together again.[/QUOTE]


1. RTFF

2. The first one did not want to leave the area as she either wanted rip you off - which she did, or two she had some guy watching over her and needed to hurry so he could get high as well - or 3- all of the above. Be careful.

3. The 2nd girl did not take you to "her place". She took you to a place of business and you are lucky the 5 people actually left.

4. RTFF again, learn and be careful.

No, I'm not going to say RTFF... (a little harsh?) But I am sure you have learned a lot from these two encounters. Thanks from all of us for posting and reinforcing what our big heads were TRYING to tell us.

1) Jodie: I too have fronted $ only to have the (SO sweet thing) SW disappear without a trace. BSG's point here, and mine, is NO "up front $"! Never. A token may be OK, like 0.05 or 0.1. But money in her hand means you'll never get in that bird's bush.)

2) Be VERY cautious about going to HER spot. It is likely to be THEIR spot, and he will not be a friendly sort... I once had a girl refuse several of my spots, only, when I said forget it, threatened to pull a gun and blow my brains out... I did not test the truth of her threat, but DID manage to get a picture of her as I pushed her out of the open door of the moving car... and I posted her picture.

3) Amberly? See above... One of my painful early lessons was to go to "a friend's" place, then, when neither of us had a condom, she said "I'll be right back..." NOT. Involving 5 other people in the activity is opening yourself WAY too much to very negative outcomes... get it?

However, don't we all LOVE to hear those naughty words in our ears. And, if you are careful about the correct set and setting, most SWs want to please, if only for return business. But do not put temptation in front of them. Hey--did you resist temptation when it was placed in front of you? With proper limits, most SWs give pleasing service. But even the best may take you for a less than pleasant ride if you put too much temptation in front of them.

Thanks again for the post. Made me smile--sort of. Glad no one got hurt. And 0.2 is a small tuition for the lesson you may have learned.

See my 13 rules of Mongering 101--all these points are mentioned there...

At the risk of repeating myself, see rules 7, 8 and 10 to start with:

[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=524144#post524144[/url]

Giani

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[QUOTE=I Need It]I did some mongering last Friday night outside of OTR and found a couple of WSW. The first one I picked up was a short thin cutie named Jodie. I wanted to go to a hotel and have some fun but she said she doesn't leave her neighborhood. I'd never heard that before. I tried to find a spot but she was paranoid about the cops. She suggested a BBBJ for .2 while I drove around. I agreed but she proceeded to say that she would meet me later and go to the hotel. She got me for the .2 with no service! I guess she needed a fix. She actually wanted me to wait for her. I said ok to get away from her. Like I would ever give her another dollar! I cruised some more and did see Jodie out again. She tried to wave me down. Maybe she was serious about going to the hotel. I decided to pass her by since I already lost the .2 .[/QUOTE]

Where did you meet Jodie? If she a rip-off give more details about her like where she was working. Also did she look like this girl from an earlier post of mine [url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=547127&postcount=10[/url]

The other two guys ( Giani and Broad St Guy) gave good info to follow but they didn't or don't have a plan what to do if you're in a spot where the girl has threatened you in some way.

I was going to post what to do but decided not. If you want to really know you can PM me.

Reason for this is private and everyone has their own ideas and comfort level as what they will and can do if a SW threatened you harm.

I've been in that spot a couple of times and had handled it and not become a victim.

The main thing to learn while cruising for SW is spotting a good SW and a bad SW. You just develop a inner instinct about it after awhile. All the reading of the Forum helps but you need to find what works for you and have you're own wisdom when hunting.

Be careful and always be the one in control of who, where and what.

Harpo2U

[QUOTE=Giani]No, I'm not going to say RTFF... (a little harsh?) [/QUOTE]

What? Read the Friendly Forum? :)

She was walking with two white guys before I picked her up on State Ave. She did look like Mckenzie that Harpo2u talked about. I can't say for sure if that was her. She has the same hair style and color hair. She didn't really have the hardcore look I have seen in some of the WSW. She was thin and wearing a pink shirt and white pants. I didn't follow the rules and got burned. I had a bad feeling about her not wanting to go to a hotel room. I should have listened to my instincts and dropped her off as soon as I heard that line.

Cute! Nice response.
[QUOTE=Broad St Guy]What? Read the Friendly Forum? :)[/QUOTE]

A $20 lesson isn't bad. I remember the first time I ever had an interaction with an SW in Covington years ago. I changed my mind and wanted her out of my car. I was going to give her $20 when she grabbed my wallet, took the $100 bill out of it and tossed the wallet back to me. At the same time her pimp made his way to my car and punched the top of it as I was leaving the scene.

Will be in the area next week, small burg about 40 miles west of Cincy, any suggestions on AMPs or escort incalls in Cincy, Lawrenceburg or the Covington / Newport area, I'm leaving Orlando Florida on Monday. Your feedback is greatly appreciated.

I get tired of matcho mongers who complain that, in the event of being ripped off, we should have pulled out our piece... I mean... Who, who has done more than two or three mongering trips, has not had an unfortunate experience? My point is that EVERYONE of us should post with details the experience so we can all learn from the experience.

the good news is that it is quite a while since I experience the cash and dash scenario. And NO, you cannot always tell from the presentation of the SW. Kelsey (see my post), had SUCH a sweet smile, but turned sour in a very serious way.

Thanks for your post.

Giani

[QUOTE=Weedman]A $20 lesson isn't bad. I remember the first time I ever had an interaction with an SW in Covington years ago. I changed my mind and wanted her out of my car. I was going to give her $20 when she grabbed my wallet, took the $100 bill out of it and tossed the wallet back to me. At the same time her pimp made his way to my car and punched the top of it as I was leaving the scene.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Weedman]A $20 lesson isn't bad. I remember the first time I ever had an interaction with an SW in Covington years ago. I changed my mind and wanted her out of my car. I was going to give her $20 when she grabbed my wallet, took the $100 bill out of it and tossed the wallet back to me. At the same time her pimp made his way to my car and punched the top of it as I was leaving the scene.[/QUOTE]

Yes this is a good post because it proves a point that I've made in post: [url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=550008&postcount=577[/url]

No one made any comments right after I wrote that piece. I guess no one was interested in the topic or didn't have anything to share.

Yes we all have been ripped-off by a SW at one time or another. That doesn't mean pull out your piece and blast her. However, when a SW makes a physical threat or she's about to jab you with an object like a knife or something sharp, you can and should defend yourself by what ever means.

Take Weedman's situation about the pimp jumping on his car and damaging his vehicle. He got robbed by the SW and Weedman decided to leaving the scene yet the pimp wanted to hurt him when Weedman didn't do anything to deserve this action.

Now maybe some of you can understand my point about pimps. I believe you have a much higher chance of getting robbed by the SW & Pimp team you see around OTR. Just my opinion. I've seen, been in and heard strange and bad stuff about pimps. This is from places I've been like NYC and Chicago and many other cities where I've monger before Cincy.

What Weedman should have reported at the time of that incident:

1) Where did it happen and what time it occurred.

(Did you see the pimp at the time when the SW got in your car)

(Pulling out your wallet in front of a SW is not a good idea)


2) Did you drive to another location after the SW got in your car or were you still at the place you picked her up?

3) What did the SW and Pimp look like in as much detail as you can remember.

4) If he could at a later time and under safe conditions, take a picture of the pimp and SW.

5) This step would be done anonymously if he wanted. Tell the police what happen.

You can write all you can about what happened but not everyone reads this forum. Sometimes you need to take the next step and report crime like robbery and assault so that the next guy won't go through that or worst. Yes I understand the thoughts of I've learned my lesson but too afraid to tell because I'm a monger and don't want to trouble from LE.

At that I'll say it's a choice you can make or not. It's up to you.

In other cities I've had other mongers motion to talk while out about telling me any problems from SW down the street. Telling me about rip offs and robbers. Those were the days before we had this board or internet.

In this game of mongering there will be some troubles but when it moves to life and death situation, defend yourself and worry later. What choice do you pick 1) being in in trouble with LE or 2) trouble with a pimp with a weapon?

Just my thoughts guys. I thought this topic is a good one to discuss.

I've could of posted some new pics of recent finds but I get tired of all the PM's from other "new mongers" with anywhere from zero postings to about 2 or 3 weak postings wanting digits.

Here are some pics of women caught soliciting and prostitution in this county. Some are still locked up. Any look familiar.

Be Safe.
Harpou2

Nowadays I am EXTRA cautious. I don't know how many times I have had girls tell me I am paranoid. I take all the right precautions now. But like someone else said-- everyone has been ripped off at some point if it in long enough. It is better to be safe than sorry. Thankfully, that has been the only time someone has done the cash and dash on me. But I don't put myself in those positions any longer. That was the only time I ever picked up an sw who had a pimp. That is something I will never do now.

I have this friend who told me a story about his night. Apparently, he took some time tonight to cruise through OTR. Seemed slow except for a couple of the usual suspects along McMik. Also he noticed a couple unmarked LE driving around. Someone should tell them that hanging their arm out the window with their bright white shirts (and shoulder badges) kinda defeats the unmarked thing.

When he crossed the tracks over to the west side he found much more life on the street. He met Sherry, a WSW with a nice natural the rack that looked pretty good on the LE check and reddish long curly hair, along the north end of State and he found a quiet spot for a slow bbbjcimws. She did look better on the drive by than in the passenger seat but, all things considered, he thought she was a good find. Probably a 5-6 but I don't really know his scale. He said it was well worth the 0. 2 + 0. 05 tip. She asked for a ride back to the other end of State and he figured, what the heck, particularly since she didn't mention money until about 15 feet before where she wanted to be dropped off. Good attitude, good service, he'll look for her again. Maybe for more. I think he said something about her having a pretty broad menu.

He tried to get digits for me but, alas, there were none to be had. She's usually around in the neighborhood most evenings.

Sounds like the guy had a pretty good night.

Have a great day.

Dz

[QUOTE=Dweezil]...When he crossed the tracks over to the west side he found much more life on the street. He met Sherry, a WSW with a nice natural the rack that looked pretty good on the LE check and reddish long curly hair, along the north end of State and he found a quiet spot for a slow bbbjcimws. She did look better on the drive by than in the passenger seat but, all things considered, he thought she was a good find. Probably a 5-6 but I don't really know his scale. He said it was well worth the 0. 2 + 0. 05 tip. She asked for a ride back to the other end of State and he figured, what the heck, particularly since she didn't mention money until about 15 feet before where she wanted to be dropped off. Good attitude, good service, he'll look for her again. Maybe for more. I think he said something about her having a pretty broad menu....Dz[/QUOTE]


Dweezil, your friend found the most assessable SW in LPH. That is Sherry and she has been working the State Ave for a long time. Meet her over a year ago at the Corner of West 8th Street and State Ave. There are several girls that work that corner and down along State Ave going north bound.

Sherry will do FS. She can be found out on State Ave. on most nights and at different hours. If you read my recent post #596 with all the pictures, Girl-11 is back out on State Ave and Girl-1 works on State but still in jail for now.

Also there are two Sherry's one with an "i" Sherri and she is petite with long hair. She'll do everything but she's not out as much as the other Sherry.

Sherry with reddish hair use to be dark color black but had recently colored to attract more mongers. This Sherry has her named tattooed on her neck.

I've got pics for you all to see. Also this is where a girl on the CL that goes by the name McKenzie but her street name and real name is Jodie. She is at the corner of West 8th Street & State Ave.

Be careful at there, LE does patrol around the area often.

Harpo2U

Hey dweezil. If le makes a mistake and continues to do it. By all means "don't let them know. We need the heads up on anything they do wrong. I even see a few myself, and when I see certain ones, I know it is better to go fishing. Then!

Otherwise it is a mater of timing. I have missed out especially over on the west side up the hill, because I was uncertain and overly cautious and she got picked up. I found a few parttimers, looking for some rent/bill money to cover till the next gov. Check. But I was slowed by trying to be right. And not drive up on someone just walking to the store or down the street. They can get pretty pissed about that. Then you have to leave the area. Often empty handed!

I have been lucky enough to have some SW's remember my number and call me, or refer me to her friend. I always cut a spot off for a referral. This way they can make cash by only making a phone call. We have a standard place to meet up at. They wait for me or vise versa, and we get each other about 10-15 minutes to be late. Any more than that, and you can cut out if you want. Then we pay the house 5-10 for 30-45-60m's according to needs. Once we get a standard standing arrangement. Things become so much easier!

I will be adding a few pix little by little over time. All of the ladies had a cell at the time, but they lose them, never have minutes, or are using a friends cell. Alway some excuse! I pay no more than 20-30 often including pix, but for pix no more than 5, and an extra 5 for good attitudes. Speaking of bad atitudes stya away from erica. An attractive light skinned black chick about 5'8", 25y/o, very thin, but shapely, and dresses decently, with a nice smile. She has started tryin to become a player, and is now about tryin to take someone for their money. Rush, rush, paranoid, scammer, very poor skills. She was better a few years ago, when she was honest. But she is a wanna be scammer. Plus she now has a boyfriend/pimp.

Understand. Now. Beware. She is often found in the area near wear the fags are. Almost the same corners, but not at the same time.

Enough said. Pix, please!

These are the remainder of a few previous pix.

[QUOTE=Harpo2u]Dweezil, your friend found the most assessable SW in LPH. That is Sherry and she has been working the State Ave for a long time. Meet her over a year ago at the Corner of West 8th Street and State Ave. There are several girls that work that corner and down along State Ave going north bound.

Sherry will do FS. She can be found out on State Ave. on most nights and at different hours. If you read my recent post #596 with all the pictures, Girl-11 is back out on State Ave and Girl-1 works on State but still in jail for now.

Also there are two Sherry's one with an "i" Sherri and she is petite with long hair. She'll do everything but she's not out as much as the other Sherry.

Sherry with reddish hair use to be dark color black but had recently colored to attract more mongers. This Sherry has her named tattooed on her neck.

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Be careful at there, LE does patrol around the area often.

Harpo2U[/QUOTE]

Harpo,

Thanks for the background. I checked this out with my friend (he doesn't have internet and he's kind of a dork around computers). He's pretty sure that your dark haired Sherry is his red headed Sherry but the cirCUMstances of their meeting prevented him from adequately inspecting her neck for a name tag. She also mentioned to him that LE is often around and, in fact, it took her a little while to get comfortable that my friend wasn't LE. He told her to check the car for donuts and that was that.

Have a great day.

Dz

Looks like I've finally become the board's most junior senior member. What can I say.

I'd like to thank my producer, my director, my screen....wait that's the wrong speech.

Ah...here it is...I'd like to thank Sherry, Lori, what's-her-name with the glasses, the woman from out near Florence, that wacko who rearranges the furniture every time she gets in my car (but I keep picking her up - what does that say about her talents???) and many other nameless faces with great racks. All of you have made this great accomplishment possible. So it is to you, SWs of SW Ohio that I stand before you today and say not the usual "spit or swallow?". No - today I stand before you and say "I am proud to be a USASG Senior Member".

Jackson - you can pin the lapel pin on my jacket now.

OK - any of you guys buying this chit ? :-) Thought not. Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Have a great day.

Dz