Tips, Tricks, Arguing, and Bullshit

[QUOTE=FolkArt;2776087]This is all good advice, the signs of an LE set up. Please note that sometimes they do post face pics in their entrapment ads, so presence of a face is not a guarantee of security.

Earlier in my adventures, I once answered one of these ads and went to the hotel room. It became pretty clear she was a cop.

- changing the donation to a lower amount when I arrived.

- no indications of any touching or physical displays of affection.

- clothes remained completely on; she didn't even take off her shoes.

- very loud and clear announcement to set the money on the table.

- at one point, she described how I looked. Odd. Later I figured that was probably intended to match the actual person with the act.

- repeatedly trying to trick me say what I acts I wanted to perform or have her perform ("do you want a blow job? When I said I don't talk about that stuff, she persisted, stating that other guys told her everything upfront. Yeah, I said, and they're stupid.

- when I told her I just wanted to talk and get to know her, she started saying she wasn't interested in getting to know me, just wanted to get down to it.

- as I left, she told me to take the money with me. No BP girl would ever do that. LOL. Especially since the donation is supposedly for time and companionship.

It all lasted about 2 minutes before it. All became clear and I realized it was a trap and got out of there. I was lucky.[/QUOTE]I like that scenario, and you achieve a lot in two minutes conversation. I will let you in on experience. Being arrogant and non-chalant in my endeavors. I see one of those LE Ads. I respond to it. Do the normal 2 call system. Except they wanted me to meet at certain spot and text when I got there. I do the text and they tell me give me 20 minutes. I'm like I don't wait and passed on the opportunity. The next day I seen the exact same ad and responded I'm on my way. I like to do things within 15 minutes of person posting. Did the same thing as I did the day before. I get to the location and room. I walk in. There is mature blonde chick in a mini skirt. She looked kinda weird but I never thought nothing of it. Then there is the other female who I scheduled with. SHe is mature as well but she is dressed like she is going to a job interview. I think nothing of it but odd. In kitchenette area you see a 12 pack of beer box. ON bed is 3 sets of bra and panties. On the nightstand is "anal toy" box. That was my observation of room setup. We start to have small talk conversation about where was I yesterday. I said I have a 30 minute or less rule. Then the question was asked do I have protection? I stated sure. She replies back good because I don; t think I have your size. She then ask me what outfit would you like me wear? I 'm like you don't have to do all that I'm a simple person. She then says lay the donation down on the counter, and get yourself comfortable while I go to the bathroom to freshen up. IN that split seconds I only had one shoe off, before 6 vice cops with guns drawn. Saying don't make a move. SO you know the rest is history. I get a citation to make a court appearance. At the same time the do a check on your license to see if you have any warrants. In my case I had none. SO I was released. During the process of checking for warrants. They asked me how many times you done this. Blah blah blah. Then I got the lecture about what diseases you may contract. After the process and released they informed me to not tell anyone because if I do they know how to find me.

Anyways I go to court. Get a public defender. Since its my first offense its a 3rd degree misdemeanor. YOu have to take a John School program, pay the fine, and get a letterhead form from your doctor or clinic stating you went to get a HIV / STD test. They don't care for the results just something saying you been to take one.

So all those scenarios you say be careful what you say, and exchanging of the money is nothing more than myth. Once you enter that room it is all pre-mediated.

I'm saying it because of experience. That's why now I'm more conscious in my intel.

Thanks for sharing your full experience, R45. Sorry you got busted. Any of the guidelines I outline are not guarantees. They worked for me once. But as I said, I got lucky. I would never think I can outwit LEO. There is no substitute for checking thoroughly in advance, doing solid research, and being careful.

[QUOTE=Redemption45;2777912]I like that scenario, and you achieve a lot in two minutes conversation. I will let you in on experience. Being arrogant and non-chalant in my endeavors. I see one of those LE Ads. I respond to it. Do the normal 2 call system. Except they wanted me to meet at certain spot and text when I got there. I do the text and they tell me give me 20 minutes. I'm like I don't wait and passed on the opportunity. The next day I seen the exact same ad and responded I'm on my way. I like to do things within 15 minutes of person posting. Did the same thing as I did the day before. I get to the location and room. I walk in. There is mature blonde chick in a mini skirt. She looked kinda weird but I never thought nothing of it. Then there is the other female who I scheduled with. SHe is mature as well but she is dressed like she is going to a job interview. I think nothing of it but odd. In kitchenette area you see a 12 pack of beer box. ON bed is 3 sets of bra and panties. On the nightstand is "anal toy" box. That was my observation of room setup. We start to have small talk conversation about where was I yesterday. I said I have a 30 minute or less rule. Then the question was asked do I have protection? I stated sure. She replies back good because I don; t think I have your size. She then ask me what outfit would you like me wear? I 'm like you don't have to do all that I'm a simple person. She then says lay the donation down on the counter, and get yourself comfortable while I go to the bathroom to freshen up. IN that split seconds I only had one shoe off, before 6 vice cops with guns drawn. Saying don't make a move. SO you know the rest is history. I get a citation to make a court appearance. At the same time the do a check on your license to see if you have any warrants. In my case I had none. SO I was released. During the process of checking for warrants. They asked me how many times you done this. Blah blah blah. Then I got the lecture about what diseases you may contract. After the process and released they informed me to not tell anyone because if I do they know how to find me.

Anyways I go to court. Get a public defender. Since its my first offense its a 3rd degree misdemeanor. YOu have to take a John School program, pay the fine, and get a letterhead form from your doctor or clinic stating you went to get a HIV / STD test. They don't care for the results just something saying you been to take one.

So all those scenarios you say be careful what you say, and exchanging of the money is nothing more than myth. Once you enter that room it is all pre-mediated.

I'm saying it because of experience. That's why now I'm more conscious in my intel.[/QUOTE]I'm really curious as to what were you actually charged with? Did you plead guilty?

If they are fully dressed, ask where they would like to go or whether they would like to go to dinner or get drinks. Don't put any money out until you know for sure they are legit. If they ask for a donation before you have established that, say things that would make it difficult to establish criminal intent.

Criminal intent is not a crime; it must be established to convict you of a crime. If you're asked about condoms you should play it as though you are there to take them on a legitimate date. You can always leave while stating that you were there to take them on a date and aren't the type of guy who engages in casual sex. The point is that you can do things that make it very difficult to prove criminal intent when charged with a crime.

Public defenders usually advise their clients to plea bargain if the prosecutor presents that option, even if the client claims innocence.

[QUOTE=RockyRhodes;2778240]I'm really curious as to what were you actually charged with? Did you plead guilty?

If they are fully dressed, ask where they would like to go or whether they would like to go to dinner or get drinks. Don't put any money out until you know for sure they are legit. If they ask for a donation before you have established that, say things that would make it difficult to establish criminal intent.

Criminal intent is not a crime; it must be established to convict you of a crime. If you're asked about condoms you should play it as though you are there to take them on a legitimate date. You can always leave while stating that you were there to take them on a date and aren't the type of guy who engages in casual sex. The point is that you can do things that make it very difficult to prove criminal intent when charged with a crime.

Public defenders usually advise their clients to plea bargain if the prosecutor presents that option, even if the client claims innocence.[/QUOTE]You make it sound so easy to beat the charge. Are you going to have a bench trial or jury trial? If I'm on a jury and you showed up to a hotel room through a back page ad then I'm pretty much going to conclude your guilty at that point regardless of what nonsense you make up. A Judge is pretty much going to do the same.

Maybe you get a non public defender and pay him thousands in fees and he could possibly get you off but then your still going to be out tons of $.

Point being it isn't going to be as easy to get off as you suggest. Even if they have a weak case against you it doesn't matter. Because the system is already against you and who is going to care if some monger lost a case they should have won because of weak evidence. Nobody.

Also, keep in mind if you plea not guilty and do have a trial, the John school program and such is going to be off the table. If you do get found guilty after a trial they are going sentence you much more harshly to teach you a lesson.

Redemption, thanks for sharing your story and I think you did the right thing going to John school and stuff. It's basically a free pass for a first time busted John. Save the pleading not guilty for the next time you get busted when they are no longer offering you an easy out.

Just my 2 cents.

Also for the record, as a person who did law enforcement for a number of years, I am highly skeptical of the close call with LEO stories. All the people saying they walked out of LEO stings because of how the didn't say this or that we not really at an LEO sting. If you show up to and LEO sting in Columbus, YOU WILL BE CHARGED regardless of what you do after you show up. As others have said showing up is enough. Yes they may try to make a stronger case by asking you incriminating stuff but if their case first get better the aren't going to let you walk after showing up. They will charge you and let you prove your not guilty on a weak case rather then let you walk.

[QUOTE=SexyBits;2778399]Also for the record, as a person who did law enforcement for a number of years, I am highly skeptical of the close call with LEO stories. All the people saying they walked out of LEO stings because of how the didn't say this or that we not really at an LEO sting. If you show up to and LEO sting in Columbus, YOU WILL BE CHARGED regardless of what you do after you show up. As others have said showing up is enough. Yes they may try to make a stronger case by asking you incriminating stuff but if their case first get better the aren't going to let you walk after showing up. They will charge you and let you prove your not guilty on a weak case rather then let you walk.[/QUOTE]That's the way I approach this hobby. The risk is always there. If I am taking the plunge, I know there is always that chance of getting stung, or the possibility of getting ripped off. Some situations & environments present a higher probability than others of that happening but you can mitigate the damage to some degree by research & preparation. My initial and subsequent interpretation after the 2 experiences I mentioned below, when the providers backed off from a hug upon greeting, was that they were agency girls trying to upsell and would ultimately only deliver a lame lap dance or say they only offer companionship or conversation. Not LE. One of those experiences happened in Cincinnati and one in Cbus.

You fools need to take the advice of Sexybits.

[QUOTE=SexyBits;2778399]You make it sound so easy to beat the charge. Are you going to have a bench trial or jury trial? If I'm on a jury and you showed up to a hotel room through a back page ad then I'm pretty much going to conclude your guilty at that point regardless of what nonsense you make up. A Judge is pretty much going to do the same.

Maybe you get a non public defender and pay him thousands in fees and he could possibly get you off but then your still going to be out tons of $.

Point being it isn't going to be as easy to get off as you suggest. Even if they have a weak case against you it doesn't matter. Because the system is already against you and who is going to care if some monger lost a case they should have won because of weak evidence. Nobody.

Also, keep in mind if you plea not guilty and do have a trial, the John school program and such is going to be off the table. If you do get found guilty after a trial they are going sentence you much more harshly to teach you a lesson.

Redemption, thanks for sharing your story and I think you did the right thing going to John school and stuff. It's basically a free pass for a first time busted John. Save the pleading not guilty for the next time you get busted when they are no longer offering you an easy out.

Just my 2 cents.

Also for the record, as a person who did law enforcement for a number of years, I am highly skeptical of the close call with LEO stories. All the people saying they walked out of LEO stings because of how the didn't say this or that we not really at an LEO sting. If you show up to and LEO sting in Columbus, YOU WILL BE CHARGED regardless of what you do after you show up. As others have said showing up is enough. Yes they may try to make a stronger case by asking you incriminating stuff but if their case first get better the aren't going to let you walk after showing up. They will charge you and let you prove your not guilty on a weak case rather then let you walk.[/QUOTE]You're right on almost every point. I wasn't trying to be critical, just offering some suggestions. I was really just curious as to whether Redemption entered a plea bargain. In my opinion, most people do when faced with criminal charges.

[QUOTE=RockyRhodes;2779089]You're right on almost every point. I wasn't trying to be critical, just offering some suggestions. I was really just curious as to whether Redemption entered a plea bargain. In my opinion, most people do when faced with criminal charges.[/QUOTE]You get charged for Solicitation 3rd degree misdemeanor. But since it was my first offense I didn't much do or say anything. The purpose of getting public defender is just so the prosecutor and public defender do there normal legal jargon for first time offenders. Now if its not your second offense, there is a good suggestion to get your own legal counsel because I'm thinking there going to throw the book at you.

I'm just giving everyone a FYI from my personal experience.

[QUOTE=SexyBits;2778399]
Also for the record, as a person who did law enforcement for a number of years, I am highly skeptical of the close call with LEO stories. All the people saying they walked out of LEO stings because of how the didn't say this or that we not really at an LEO sting. If you show up to and LEO sting in Columbus, YOU WILL BE CHARGED regardless of what you do after you show up. As others have said showing up is enough.[/QUOTE]You may be right. The experience I narrated below may have just been just an awkward provider, not LE. It's just that everything seemed so strange (the clothes, the insistence and persistence on getting me to name the sex act, the odd way the donation was handled), all lead me to believe it was a sting that somehow I managed to avoid.

[QUOTE=Redemption45;2779109]You get charged for Solicitation 3rd degree misdemeanor. But since it was my first offense I didn't much do or say anything. The purpose of getting public defender is just so the prosecutor and public defender do there normal legal jargon for first time offenders. Now if its not your second offense, there is a good suggestion to get your own legal counsel because I'm thinking there going to throw the book at you.

I'm just giving everyone a FYI from my personal experience.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information, and sorry to hear of your bad luck.

[QUOTE=FolkArt;2779406]You may be right. The experience I narrated below may have just been just an awkward provider, not LE. It's just that everything seemed so strange (the clothes, the insistence and persistence on getting me to name the sex act, the odd way the donation was handled), all lead me to believe it was a sting that somehow I managed to avoid.[/QUOTE]Maybe there should be a regular update for suspected LE ads? This one caught my attention. I didn't check out it's veracity. Just thought it fits the MO.

[URL]http://columbus.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/read-adincallpretti-thick-and-super-freakye/24817359[/URL]

[QUOTE=FolkArt;2779406]You may be right. The experience I narrated below may have just been just an awkward provider, not LE. It's just that everything seemed so strange (the clothes, the insistence and persistence on getting me to name the sex act, the odd way the donation was handled), all lead me to believe it was a sting that somehow I managed to avoid.[/QUOTE]Disregard my previous post. That's Gabby. She's legit.

[QUOTE=Amon777;2767890]Yes I am absolutely aware of this. How do I know this? Because the girls never wash or clean right after I cum in their pussies. I am standing right there watching them. Most of them just pull their pants right back up. I love it. I want my cum to fester in their pussies. I would not want to them to wash my cum right out. No I want them to absorb it all up into their pussies. It makes me very happy to know they are willing to go about their day with my cum in their pussy and not caring about washing it.[/QUOTE]This is the kinda mofo who needs Xed out. You know that there is sick and then there is stupid you Fuk Boi are straight stupid! I'm pretty sure your a fing lie but who knows sum people are stupid enuff to bb these gurls. You need to catch the virus to learn? Or you already got 1? Tha fact you like to risk your neck on a nut don't wash with us true blue mongs. So got tell your bs to the other Fuk boi's you hang with!!

Hehehehe stupid fuck boi here is addicted to bareback sex with these nasty girls. I like to spread my seed as much as possible. I have bb'ed streetwalkers, junkies, high end girls, I do not discriminate I will bareback any girl that is willing and allowing. My list of girls I have barebacked is growing. I've gotten sick a few times before from doing it but have not learned my lesson since I am addicted to it like a crack addict hehehe. I am single too so I don't have to worry about a significant other catching me barebacking the girls. I am a sex crazed lunatic.

[QUOTE=SullMonger;2780338]This is the kinda mofo who needs Xed out. You know that there is sick and then there is stupid you Fuk Boi are straight stupid! I'm pretty sure your a fing lie but who knows sum people are stupid enuff to bb these gurls. You need to catch the virus to learn? Or you already got 1? Tha fact you like to risk your neck on a nut don't wash with us true blue mongs. So got tell your bs to the other Fuk boi's you hang with!![/QUOTE]

Anyone have any tips for how to not smell like an ashtray immediately after leaving a providers incall?

[QUOTE=JasonOhio33;2780417]Anyone have any tips for how to not smell like an ashtray immediately after leaving a providers incall?[/QUOTE]Bring a change of clothes, leave them in your car, find somewhere to change before you go home.

[QUOTE=FolkArt;2779406]You may be right. The experience I narrated below may have just been just an awkward provider, not LE. It's just that everything seemed so strange (the clothes, the insistence and persistence on getting me to name the sex act, the odd way the donation was handled), all lead me to believe it was a sting that somehow I managed to avoid.[/QUOTE]If she was LE, you would have been popped. Just showing up and pulling out cash would have been enough. They would have tried to get more on you, but would still have popped you.

Every time I have had a girl act like that: refuse to disrobe, try to get me to ask for stuff first, refuse money. She has thought that I was LE.

Some of them seem to be under the mistaken impression that if *she* offers a sex act for money, it's illegal, but if *you* ask first, it's "entrapment. " Totally not correct, but hey, if they had brains they'd be something other than backpage hookers.

[QUOTE=SexyBits;2778399]You make it sound so easy to beat the charge. Are you going to have a bench trial or jury trial? If I'm on a jury and you showed up to a hotel room through a back page ad then I'm pretty much going to conclude your guilty at that point regardless of what nonsense you make up. A Judge is pretty much going to do the same.

Also for the record, as a person who did law enforcement for a number of years, I am highly skeptical of the close call with LEO stories. All the people saying they walked out of LEO stings because of how the didn't say this or that we not really at an LEO sting. If you show up to and LEO sting in Columbus, YOU WILL BE CHARGED regardless of what you do after you show up. As others have said showing up is enough. Yes they may try to make a stronger case by asking you incriminating stuff but if their case first get better the aren't going to let you walk after showing up. They will charge you and let you prove your not guilty on a weak case rather then let you walk.[/QUOTE]Really? So I don't get it, basically if police lure you into a sting after you've responded to an ad they can arrest you simply for picking up the phone and showing up? This seems equivalent to the ads themselves being illegal as advertised. If I respond to an ad, no mention of sex or money, show up, no mention of sex or money upon arrival. They will arrest me? If I were in a mess like that I would obviously ask for what charge and what the evidence is. When I ask them this what are they going to say to justify it?

[QUOTE=NotThatRich;2789754]Really? So I don't get it, basically if police lure you into a sting after you've responded to an ad they can arrest you simply for picking up the phone and showing up? This seems equivalent to the ads themselves being illegal as advertised. If I respond to an ad, no mention of sex or money, show up, no mention of sex or money upon arrival. They will arrest me? If I were in a mess like that I would obviously ask for what charge and what the evidence is. When I ask them this what are they going to say to justify it?[/QUOTE]Vice teams in Cols are very effective well trained machines. The evidence against you will be shared during the discovery phase after your arraignment. You and your attorney will discuss whether or not you have an adequate defense to get the charges dismissed. This is not a conversation you want to have or a process you want to go through, regardless of the outcome. Best too avoid being ensnared in the system to begin with. I assure you the odds are stacked against you.

[QUOTE=Azztro;2790229]Vice teams in Cols are very effective well trained machines. The evidence against you will be shared during the discovery phase after your arraignment. You and your attorney will discuss whether or not you have an adequate defense to get the charges dismissed. This is not a conversation you want to have or a process you want to go through, regardless of the outcome. Best too avoid being ensnared in the system to begin with. I assure you the odds are stacked against you.[/QUOTE]Exactly!

In addition the cops have qualified immunity. In short, this means you have virtually zero chance of getting them in any kind of trouble for arresting you for simply showing up. They know this. That doesn't mean you can't beat the case at some point. But what it does mean is they are going to arrest you and leave the rest up to you, your lawyer, the prosecutor, judge, etc.

Ever hear the phrase "Tell it to the Judge". You will if you try to tell vice why they shouldn't arrest you because their case is so weak.

[QUOTE=Azztro;2790229]Vice teams in Cols are very effective well trained machines. The evidence against you will be shared during the discovery phase after your arraignment. You and your attorney will discuss whether or not you have an adequate defense to get the charges dismissed. This is not a conversation you want to have or a process you want to go through, regardless of the outcome. Best too avoid being ensnared in the system to begin with. I assure you the odds are stacked against you.[/QUOTE]If you call a girl, it would be stupid of you to discuss anything on the phone. And, try to contact girls who work out of their homes and not motels.

[QUOTE=OhioSucks1;2780775]Bring a change of clothes, leave them in your car, find somewhere to change before you go home.[/QUOTE]With your new change of clothes, as soon as you get home, go take a shower. Also, learn how to wash clothes. Don't let the wifey wash them.

[QUOTE=Josh88;2780324]Maybe there should be a regular update for suspected LE ads? This one caught my attention. I didn't check out it's veracity. Just thought it fits the MO.

[URL]http://columbus.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/read-adincallpretti-thick-and-super-freakye/24817359[/URL][/QUOTE]The photos are used in other ads in Cleveland but with the same number. There are also quite a few reviews on ThE otheR site. Her pictures on her website show her face and a different number than in the BP ad. The BP ads do not show her face which is suspicious.

[QUOTE=Azztro;2790229]Vice teams in Cols are very effective well trained machines. The evidence against you will be shared during the discovery phase after your arraignment. You and your attorney will discuss whether or not you have an adequate defense to get the charges dismissed. This is not a conversation you want to have or a process you want to go through, regardless of the outcome. Best too avoid being ensnared in the system to begin with. I assure you the odds are stacked against you.[/QUOTE]Great advice, why put yourself in such a no win situation? Just stay away from these sex providers that have no credibility and may appear to be to good to bee true.

[QUOTE=NotThatRich;2789754]Really? So I don't get it, basically if police lure you into a sting after you've responded to an ad they can arrest you simply for picking up the phone and showing up? This seems equivalent to the ads themselves being illegal as advertised. If I respond to an ad, no mention of sex or money, show up, no mention of sex or money upon arrival. They will arrest me? If I were in a mess like that I would obviously ask for what charge and what the evidence is. When I ask them this what are they going to say to justify it?[/QUOTE]Lololol what is it you don't get? You think showing up you can beat the charge? You watch too much tv. I already discussed my personal situation. Your guilty as soon as you touch that door knob. Take your charge and own it. Lesson learned and move on. Only thing LE cares about is you smashing a female who is infected with a std / hiv and you spreading it to someone else. They already heard all the stories and excuses. Plan and simply it's a racketeer. Everyone in it to make money. Sex sales and crime pays. Its all apart of sexual ecosystem. Lolololol.

[QUOTE=NotThatRich;2789754]Really? So I don't get it, basically if police lure you into a sting after you've responded to an ad they can arrest you simply for picking up the phone and showing up? This seems equivalent to the ads themselves being illegal as advertised. If I respond to an ad, no mention of sex or money, show up, no mention of sex or money upon arrival. They will arrest me? If I were in a mess like that I would obviously ask for what charge and what the evidence is. When I ask them this what are they going to say to justify it?[/QUOTE]So there you are, searching backpage in the escort section. You make a call / text. You discuss prices, may or may not discuss service. You show up. The fact you called a number off an ad that is properly worded and in section of the internet where its a sex for money world, they have all they need to make an arrest and more than likely get a conviction.

There are word tricks you can play when calling but you may not be successful in making the date. Tell the girl your a photographer and looking for models for nude or other types of adult work, that's not illegal, you can figure out the word games you can play from that.

[QUOTE=NotThatRich;2790350]The photos are used in other ads in Cleveland but with the same number. There are also quite a few reviews on ThE otheR site. Her pictures on her website show her face and a different number than in the BP ad. The BP ads do not show her face which is suspicious.[/QUOTE]That is Gabby, she is not only legit but a lot of fun. I've seen her, she is clean, takes care of herself. She enjoys what she does. I wrote a review on her recently. That is the same number that I have been in contact with her for the last couple months and yes, she does bounce back and forth between Cleveland and Columbus.

[QUOTE=JustHereNow;2790828]So there you are, searching backpage in the escort section. You make a call / text. You discuss prices, may or may not discuss service. You show up. The fact you called a number off an ad that is properly worded and in section of the internet where its a sex for money world, they have all they need to make an arrest and more than likely get a conviction.

There are word tricks you can play when calling but you may not be successful in making the date. Tell the girl your a photographer and looking for models for nude or other types of adult work, that's not illegal, you can figure out the word games you can play from that.[/QUOTE]Guys, if you show up at a sting, uncle LEO will arrest you just to make your life difficult. You don't have to lay the money down, you don't have to ask for a sexual act. If you're very careful, you'll beat it in court. But just showing up and walking in the door will get you a ride downtown. LEO will try to make your life miserable if they go to the trouble of setting up a sting.

The end.

I would be polite but choose not to say anything at all to the officers. I would also ask about a summons or a ride to the clerks office to post a bond rather than a ride downtown. If they acted like they were still taking me to jail I would tell them I am having sever chest pains and feel light headed. If that didn't work, I would tell them the same thing when I got to the jail, when they give you a medical screening. I would also tell them I had a tubcrculosis test and it got really Red where they made the injection. They gave me a script but I never got it filled. If that didn't work, I'd ask the jail deputies if I could post my own bond.

Your mileage may very but remember, the county doesn't want to accept you into the jail if it appears you might need to go to the hospital or are infected with a contagious virus. And CPD doesn't want to wait around the hospital all day for you to be cleared.

If your polite, there is a reasonable chance you get a summons. Even without the above its possible to get a summons as Redenption did. Just hope the jail is really crowded.

[QUOTE=SexyBits;2791834]I would be polite but choose not to say anything at all to the officers. I would also ask about a summons or a ride to the clerks office to post a bond rather than a ride downtown. If they acted like they were still taking me to jail I would tell them I am having sever chest pains and feel light headed. If that didn't work, I would tell them the same thing when I got to the jail, when they give you a medical screening. I would also tell them I had a tubcrculosis test and it got really Red where they made the injection. They gave me a script but I never got it filled. If that didn't work, I'd ask the jail deputies if I could post my own bond.

Your mileage may very but remember, the county doesn't want to accept you into the jail if it appears you might need to go to the hospital or are infected with a contagious virus. And CPD doesn't want to wait around the hospital all day for you to be cleared.

If your polite, there is a reasonable chance you get a summons. Even without the above its possible to get a summons as Redenption did. Just hope the jail is really crowded.[/QUOTE]This is some funny stuff. Let me pick this apart for you.

You may get a summons, depends on may variables. You won't get a ride to a clerks office to post bond, not how it works. If you tell them you have chest pains or light headed (they hear it daily but regardless) more than likely they will call the medics, its in the SOP. You will be taken to the hospital and either one of two things will happen. You will be escorted by an officer or they will just file the charges and have a warrant issued so when you are out of the hospital you are picked up on the charges. If you played that same game when you got to the jail, a deputy would accompany you to the hospital and when released, drive you back to jail. If you try that with a TB test, they have isolation and medical wards at the jail, have fun in those.

Saying CPD does not want to wait around until your cleared is funny. Those guys sitting there waiting are on overtime, making $40-75 an hour depending on their regular wage / rank and they soak that money up. They like those easy assignments. If its not an officer on overtime, they typically don't mind it either, they are not out dealing with the normal stuff and can relax a bit while getting paid.

Your fooling yourself if you think otherwise. I worked at a Sheriffs Office and work for a law firm as an investigator, iv been around the block a few times.

[QUOTE=JustHereNow;2792105]This is some funny stuff. Let me pick this apart for you.

You may get a summons, depends on may variables. You won't get a ride to a clerks office to post bond, not how it works. If you tell them you have chest pains or light headed (they hear it daily but regardless) more than likely they will call the medics, its in the SOP. You will be taken to the hospital and either one of two things will happen. You will be escorted by an officer or they will just file the charges and have a warrant issued so when you are out of the hospital you are picked up on the charges. If you played that same game when you got to the jail, a deputy would accompany you to the hospital and when released, drive you back to jail. If you try that with a TB test, they have isolation and medical wards at the jail, have fun in those.

Saying CPD does not want to wait around until your cleared is funny. Those guys sitting there waiting are on overtime, making $40-75 an hour depending on their regular wage / rank and they soak that money up. They like those easy assignments. If its not an officer on overtime, they typically don't mind it either, they are not out dealing with the normal stuff and can relax a bit while getting paid.

Your fooling yourself if you think otherwise. I worked at a Sheriffs Office and work for a law firm as an investigator, iv been around the block a few times.[/QUOTE]I worked for 10 years in the Franklin County Jail. I've seen first hand everything I've mentioned happen. I've done hospital watches of inmates. Nobody likes it. I've personally told CPD that we were not accepting their prisoner until cleared by the hospital and THEY HATE THAT SHIT. I've personally seen them issue a summons (you don't get a warrant as you suggest until you fail to appear) rather than take someone to the hospital. I've personally gotten someone's credit card and sent it up to the clerks office from the jail so they can pay their own bond. It was my discression whom I wanted to do this for. Never going to happen if you're a dick. I've literally book 100's of Columbus prostitutes and johns into the jail. The standing joke at the booking counter for johns was, did she have all her teeth? That's how you should have know she was a cop.

Everything I suggest, I've seen work. Not always and a lot depended on the arresting officer and how he / she felt about the arrested. You don't have to try it but I've experienced it and it's what I would try.

Of course you could always not try it and end up in a dorm room made for 12 with 28 other dudes. Pissing and shitting in one of the two toilets set right in front of everyone else. On Saturday nights they force the noobs to fight UFC style for everyone else's entertainment. Have fun with that. The good thing is you'll lose some weight as what food your served that is edible will probably be taken.

Do what every you like. Don't take my advise, I don't care. Just offering things I've seen work first hand.

My last year there was on patrol and I've personally taken an arrest up to the clerks office and let them post their bond. It happens, I know this first hand.

[QUOTE=SexyBits;2792724]I worked for 10 years in the Franklin County Jail. I've seen first hand everything I've mentioned happen. I've done hospital watches of inmates. Nobody likes it. I've personally told CPD that we were not accepting their prisoner until cleared by the hospital and THEY HATE THAT SHIT. I've personally seen them issue a summons (you don't get a warrant as you suggest until you fail to appear) rather than take someone to the hospital. I've personally gotten someone's credit card and sent it up to the clerks office from the jail so they can pay their own bond. It was my discression whom I wanted to do this for. Never going to happen if you're a dick. I've literally book 100's of Columbus prostitutes and johns into the jail. The standing joke at the booking counter for johns was, did she have all her teeth? That's how you should have know she was a cop.

Everything I suggest, I've seen work. Not always and a lot depended on the arresting officer and how he / she felt about the arrested. You don't have to try it but I've experienced it and it's what I would try.

Of course you could always not try it and end up in a dorm room made for 12 with 28 other dudes. Pissing and shitting in one of the two toilets set right in front of everyone else. On Saturday nights they force the noobs to fight UFC style for everyone else's entertainment. Have fun with that. The good thing is you'll lose some weight as what food your served that is edible will probably be taken.

Do what every you like. Don't take my advise, I don't care. Just offering things I've seen work first hand.

My last year there was on patrol and I've personally taken an arrest up to the clerks office and let them post their bond. It happens, I know this first hand.[/QUOTE]Franklin County surely must work differently than where I worked. Interesting to see one of their "finest" in the hobby.

[QUOTE=JustHereNow;2792785]Franklin County surely must work differently than where I worked. Interesting to see one of their "finest" in the hobby.[/QUOTE]
Franklin county was very over crowded when I worked there in the 90's. Since no new facilities have been built since, I can only imagine it's even more so now. I wrote a lot of that hastily last night but wanted to take this time to address a couple of your points. It's clear you have some knowledge in the area.

First, officers don't automatically get OT for a hospital watch. If you make an arrest 2 hours into your shift, you have 6 left before you start getting OT. The shift commander will have you replaced by someone from the next shift before you start making OT. Do they like it? Maybe you might find one or two but for the most part 2nd and 3rd shifts are filled with officers who like the action. If your a felon or violent misdemeanor then no, you aren't getting a summons. However, on this forum were talkin about non violent misdemeanors. So it's very possible you get an officer that doesn't want to sit with your ass when he could be out looking for that felony bust.

Second, your right there are areas for the medical isolation of inmates. However, it's limited. When I wa there we had about 10 cells for that purpose. So if we had 8 felons, 2 domestic violence, and 1 guy with a soliciting charge all needing medical isolation, who do you think got the summons or recognizance bond? Hint: not the felon or violent misdemeanor.

Third, police don't issue warrants. Only a Judge can do that. An officer can issue you a summons to appear at a future date before a judge. Don't show, then you have the warrant. As an investigator, you should know that.

Last, things probably were different where you worked if it was a smaller town or they had facilities with more beds than inmate population. Here over crowding is a major, MAJOR issue. Which is why it's common for non violent misdemeanors to possibly get a summons as opposed to time in jail.

You are correct in that if you are a felon or violent misdemeanor or an asshole, you have zero chance to get a summons and if you pull the chest pains thing it isn't going to matter. They will sit with you until your cleared.

Again, I'm not promising anything. Not saying what I've said will work without exception. What I am saying is I've have seen that stuff happen first had. I've been at the booking counter and told CPD, look, the nurse says he has to go to the hospital before we will accept him. Then watched the officer fill out a summons, issue it to the prisoner, walk them out of the sallyport and tell them it's your lucky day and send them on their way.

You may have been around the block, but so have I. And yes, I do partake in the hobby now for about 6 months. 15 years after being in LE. Didnt want to jeopardize my job back then as you got to know all the regular SWs pretty well.

[QUOTE=SexyBits;2793043]Franklin county was very over crowded when I worked there in the 90's. Since no new facilities have been built since, I can only imagine it's even more so now. I wrote a lot of that hastily last night but wanted to take this time to address a couple of your points. It's clear you have some knowledge in the area.

First, officers don't automatically get OT for a hospital watch. If you make an arrest 2 hours into your shift, you have 6 left before you start getting OT. The shift commander will have you replaced by someone from the next shift before you start making OT. Do they like it? Maybe you might find one or two but for the most part 2nd and 3rd shifts are filled with officers who like the action. If your a felon or violent misdemeanor then no, you aren't getting a summons. However, on this forum were talkin about non violent misdemeanors. So it's very possible you get an officer that doesn't want to sit with your ass when he could be out looking for that felony bust.

Second, your right there are areas for the medical isolation of inmates. However, it's limited. When I wa there we had about 10 cells for that purpose. So if we had 8 felons, 2 domestic violence, and 1 guy with a soliciting charge all needing medical isolation, who do you think got the summons or recognizance bond? Hint: not the felon or violent misdemeanor.

Third, police don't issue warrants. Only a Judge can do that. An officer can issue you a summons to appear at a future date before a judge. Don't show, then you have the warrant. As an investigator, you should know that.

Last, things probably were different where you worked if it was a smaller town or they had facilities with more beds than inmate population. Here over crowding is a major, MAJOR issue. Which is why it's common for non violent misdemeanors to possibly get a summons as opposed to time in jail.

You are correct in that if you are a felon or violent misdemeanor or an asshole, you have zero chance to get a summons and if you pull the chest pains thing it isn't going to matter. They will sit with you until your cleared.

Again, I'm not promising anything. Not saying what I've said will work without exception. What I am saying is I've have seen that stuff happen first had. I've been at the booking counter and told CPD, look, the nurse says he has to go to the hospital before we will accept him. Then watched the officer fill out a summons, issue it to the prisoner, walk them out of the sallyport and tell them it's your lucky day and send them on their way.

You may have been around the block, but so have I. And yes, I do partake in the hobby now for about 6 months. 15 years after being in LE. Didnt want to jeopardize my job back then as you got to know all the regular SWs pretty well.[/QUOTE]Are you retired? Once Police, always Police. Sorry, you make me hesitant. Like you may be a snitch. Glad you put this out there. Won't be taken any PMs from you.

[QUOTE=Dapon;2793263]Are you retired? Once Police, always Police. Sorry, you make me hesitant. Like you may be a snitch. Glad you put this out there. Won't be taken any PMs from you.[/QUOTE]

OH SNAP!!!! My cover has been blown!

All right you are all under arrest. If you are reading this please step away from your computers and put your hands in the air. Don't make any sudden movements and one of my associates will be entering your house and putting the cuffs on you in a few moments.

To each his own, but in my own personal experience, every single time I refused to plea bargain, the prosecutor has lost. When you plea bargain, you have virtually no chance to walk without a new entry to your criminal record. Also, once you have a conviction, there is a bias against you in the legal system. I plea bargained once when I was young and intimidated by the system. I would rather play it out and retain my chance to beat any charges. I do understand that the majority of people in this country will take the easy way out and not fight for their rights; most people leave that to people like me. I would only enter a plea bargain these days if all charges were dropped in exchange for court costs.

SexyBits gave us all great advice not to say anything to the police officers. I will never again speak to a police officer who is either trying to bust me or investigating any crime where I am a potential suspect. If they want to question me, I will simply state once that I won't speak with them without an attorney present, and that if I'm not under arrest that I will be on my way.

With all that said, I am very cautious about putting myself in positions where I may encounter police who want to charge me with any crime.

[QUOTE=SexyBits;2793380]OH SNAP!!!! My cover has been blown!

All right you are all under arrest. If you are reading this please step away from your computers and put your hands in the air. Don't make any sudden movements and one of my associates will be entering your house and putting the cuffs on you in a few moments.[/QUOTE]Police is police. Worst thing is, you are a hypocrite. A rat. You betray everything you pretended to be when you were locking others up. The fact is, you have put out there that you were part of a group that would like to shut this page down and mongers. A zebra never loses it's stripes. A dirty police is worse than an honest on in my opinion. Please don't pm me again snitch.

[QUOTE=Dapon;2795055]Police is police. Worst thing is, you are a hypocrite. A rat. You betray everything you pretended to be when you were locking others up. The fact is, you have put out there that you were part of a group that would like to shut this page down and mongers. A zebra never loses it's stripes. A dirty police is worse than an honest on in my opinion. Please don't pm me again snitch.[/QUOTE]LOL, whatever.

For anyone else on here who may care, I don't give a shit what you do or don't do in your personal life. I worked for FCSO in the 90's. Used the high pay to put myself through college and since 2001 I've been an IT professional. I've only ever asked 2 people on here for anything via PM, mrjrp and Young1 forfun. All I've ever done was share information and offer advise from my experience. I haven't been affiliated with law enforcement or any one working in law enforcement for over 15 years.

I am here to share my reports, read other's opinions on providers and that's about it. This douche doesn't want my PMs? LOL, fine by me because he never got them anyway. And had he kept his ignorant opinion to himself he never would have gotten the joke PM I did send him. If anyone else feels the need to judge me when they know nothing about me, like this turd, that's fine too, you can continue to not receive the PMs I've never been sending in the first place.

So that's it, we can all be friends and we can continue to share info on a hobby we all obviously enjoy. Or you can be a judgemental prick like this guy and just ignore my posts. No skin off my nose.

RockyRhodes, I respect fighting too. It's a shame the system is set up in such a way that ones gets punished for not taking a plea. That's bullshit but unfortunately it's the way it is. I think on first offense the John program gets the charges dismissed. Even if you beat them you will still always have the record of the arrest.
Also, there is a great video on YouTube some lawyer did about never talking to the police about 6 years ago. I am sure it's still around though and very much worth a watch for all of us. It shows how even the littlest comment can be used against us.

[QUOTE=SexyBits;2793380]OH SNAP!!!! My cover has been blown!

All right you are all under arrest. If you are reading this please step away from your computers and put your hands in the air. Don't make any sudden movements and one of my associates will be entering your house and putting the cuffs on you in a few moments.[/QUOTE]Ha! I for one appreciate your input. I personally know ex-law enforcement that work for the other side now. Helping attorneys as a litigation experts, and not for the prosecutor.

[QUOTE=RockyRhodes;2793880]To each his own, but in my own personal experience, every single time I refused to plea bargain, the prosecutor has lost. When you plea bargain, you have virtually no chance to walk without a new entry to your criminal record. Also, once you have a conviction, there is a bias against you in the legal system. I plea bargained once when I was young and intimidated by the system. I would rather play it out and retain my chance to beat any charges. I do understand that the majority of people in this country will take the easy way out and not fight for their rights; most people leave that to people like me. I would only enter a plea bargain these days if all charges were dropped in exchange for court costs.

SexyBits gave us all great advice not to say anything to the police officers. I will never again speak to a police officer who is either trying to bust me or investigating any crime where I am a potential suspect. If they want to question me, I will simply state once that I won't speak with them without an attorney present, and that if I'm not under arrest that I will be on my way.

With all that said, I am very cautious about putting myself in positions where I may encounter police who want to charge me with any crime.[/QUOTE]With all of what you said about not plea bargaining if it can be avoided, but the fact is that once you win you still need to get the incident and arrest expunged. Otherwise you'll always turn up with an arrest and possible indictment record during any background check. And that check box on forms that ask if you've been arrested? Yep. You'll have to check it.