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[url]http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/408208-sextrade-reprt.html[/url] This is a link to a report
A new report, based on a survey of 328 Ohioans in the sex trade, looks more closely at the multi-billion dollar international business through the eyes of its victims. The report reveals information on their lives and who their customers and distributors are. It includes details about the sex trade in Cincinnati. Gives some very good intel LOL.
Best article giving clear dos and donts definitions.
[url]http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/experts-laws-on-online-1502245.html[/url]
Safe hunting all.
Harry
[quote=harryhobbiest; 1522929]best article giving clear dos and donts definitions.
[url]http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/experts-laws-on-online-1502245.html[/url]
safe hunting all.
harry[/quote]the media and public officials want to promote the idea that the average provider is an ****d ukrainian farm girl who has been kidnapped and brought to the us against her will. we all know the truth: there is absolutely *no* evidence of trafficking or **** participation on the local hobby scene as it exists on this forum. i have been a hobbyist in ohio since the early 1990s, and i have *never* seen evidence of either.
this means that le is basically using public tax dollars to prosecute adults for engaging in consensual activity. the only difference between what takes place here and what takes place on a mainstream dating site is the exchange of money.
at some point the general public will realize what a waste of taxpayer resources this all is. then le will focus on actual crime, instead of serving as the front line of the nanny state.
i think that there is a difference between the higher end of the market and the sws, or the really cheap ladies on bp. so
perhaps i did over-generalize. i am confident, though, that among the providers *i* have seen, there haven't been anyone who is coerced or ****. for example, i used to see tai alot, previously of discreet desires. she has a college degree and is in her mid-20s. that is the typical profile of the providers i have seen over the years.
as for the sws, that entire scene is just nasty. and yes i would acknowledge that there might be some unfortunate situations there.
[quote=randyman1501; 1523381]i would never say never, because that's not entirely true. there is at least one provider who operates at largely utr at this point, but not always, who was tricked out by her mom when she was 16 or 17. mom and daughter are still together now and do two-girl shows together. mom, according to some reports, actually stuck the needle in her daughter's arm to get her hooked and eventually sent her out of the house and told her not to come back until she'd made some money. i don't know for a fact that last part, but i do know the other parts. i don't like to be one to judge, but if there is a hell, that mom will someday spend eternity there getting roasted on a pitchfork rotisserie.
now, you are right about the ridiculous way the "hobby" is portrayed in the media. the vast, vast majority of women involved here are not east european and asian girls trapped into some kind of slavery. but i would tell you it may be a different picture in some cities, especially new york. and there are cases, isolated though they may be, in this city.
slavery can also be a tricky subject. there are some providers in this town who are so badly addicted to heroin or their other drug of choice that it's no different than any other form of physical coercion. there have been drug dealers who essentially operated cat houses so the women could make the money to buy their drugs. i'm not sure where to draw the line sometimes.[/quote]
[quote=todd cincy; 1523646]i think that there is a difference between the higher end of the market and the sws, or the really cheap ladies on bp. so
perhaps i did over-generalize. i am confident, though, that among the providers *i* have seen, there haven't been anyone who is coerced or ****. for example, i used to see tai alot, previously of discreet desires. she has a college degree and is in her mid-20s. that is the typical profile of the providers i have seen over the years.
as for the sws, that entire scene is just nasty. and yes i would acknowledge that there might be some unfortunate situations there.[/quote]i don't think there has actually been an interview done with the escort side of the hobby since cheezwhiz out in vegas did one back in 2005/2006.
it makes it hard for a reporter to write a story about how every lady in the hobby is a victim when you have those that have left successful careers to try something new and then never gone back.
To attempt to synthesize the viewpoints of Warlock, Randyman, and myself:
The hobby is a very diverse world, but the media depicts only a few remote corners of it (mostly street prostitution and foreign-run brothels). This gives the public a skewed perception about what is really going on.
I have no doubt that there are providers in Ohio who make more money than many of their clients. Many of these same ladies have at least some college education, and are as savvy and autonomous as any entrepreneur. To depict them as the victims of drugs or human trafficking would be ridiculous.
We have all hired escorts who would obviously rather not be serving our needs, who have turned to the hobby as a sort of economic last resort. However, this is not the same as being physically coerced by a third party, as the media often represents. (*Every* field contains people who don't like their jobs, who would rather not be there.)
Admittedly, I probably don't see the really hard-luck cases, since I have always patronized the higher-end ladies as a rule, and I avoid the SW scene entirely.
[QUOTE=WarlockKy; 1523964]I don't think there has actually been an interview done with the escort side of the hobby since CheezWhiz out in Vegas did one back in 2005/2006.
It makes it hard for a reporter to write a story about how every lady in the hobby is a victim when you have those that have left successful careers to try something new and then never gone back.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.npr.org/2012/08/22/159754000/in-california-an-effort-to-fight-human-trafficking[/url]
Nky2000, Randyman, WhyBuytheCow:
I suppose I would still have to argue that most of the examples cited below are not comparable to our experiences on the board. WBTC is talking about truck stop providers in the (70s? 80s?). As to Nky's example, I can't speak to everything that goes on in California. It is a big state with a lot of crime of various sorts.
Let's consider the ladies on the board. Clearly they are all over 18. (Most are at least 25.) I have dealt with Dawn, Nina, Dixie, and Silk, to name a few. I am certain from my interactions with them that there is no brutal pimp controlling their actions and taking their money. So my encounters with them are, in fact, transactions between two consenting adults.
It will *always* be possible to find an extreme example from the media, big cities, foreign countries, etc. But as far as what goes on *here* on the local USAG board, I am confident that these ladies are both over the age of 18 and free to make their own choices.
[QUOTE=Nky2000;1525638][url]http://www.npr.org/2012/08/22/159754000/in-california-an-effort-to-fight-human-trafficking[/url][/QUOTE][url]http://www.eros-ohio.com/files/289709.htm[/url]
It could happen anywhere. I agree that most are local and independent. However, when it gets too hot in LA they put them on the road.
thanks, sinful dreams, for posting this.
this is the trend in countries like sweden, where enforcement efforts now focus on customers rather than providers.
the whole premise here, as we discussed several threads ago, is human trafficking. this is what is used to justify the arrests of adults engaging in consensual sex.
as a group, we seem to agree that while trafficking can and does occur, the actual situation is much exaggerated by the media and others with an anti-prostitution agenda.
my idea (for some enterprising individual) is to create a local service that verifies "over 18 / human trafficking free" escorts.
here are the rough details:
- a website where providers register. the site would verify that each woman who registers is over 18 and "human trafficking free."
- the site could also provide light screening of the men. however, the main purpose of this verification site would be to *eliminate* the **** / human trafficking card.
- the site could earn money by charging men a monthly membership, similar to a dating site.
any thoughts? any takers? i could definitely see one of the more enterprising local providers setting up a business like this. we could then, as a community, vouch for the fact that we are consenting adults, acting without third party coercion.
this would take away the political incentive for harassing and arresting us.
[quote=sinful dreams; 1526014]this might have been the one that was just brought up this week about the 8 arrested. at any rate, looks like they are going after the "johns" instead of the escorts. be careful.
[url]http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/cops-focusing-more-on-johns-in-prostitution-busts/nrgxg/[/url][/quote]