What in the fuck are you talking about?

[QUOTE=NCTransplant;5248554]It isn't that hard to get a restraining order. You just go to the magistrate and swear out a warrant. Anybody can accuse anybody of anything. Nobody is guilty of anything until it is proven in a court of law. Innocent until proven guilty[/QUOTE]I'm calling bullshit on all you mongers that are trying to portray the guy as a "normal" all American buyer of pussy. A restraining order is a bid deal. You can't buy firearms and are ordered by the judge to stay the fuck away from someone because it's likely you'll cause them serious harm. This monger ain't trying to sell Girl Scout cookies! You sympathizers probably think it's ok stalk and harass ladies? I wouldn't do that around me if I were you. Just to be clear, stalking and harassing is done by sick fux and restraining orders are serious shit!! No justification, no sympathy. Anyone who lacks charm will feel entitled and resort to harassment. Now see, I have charm and the ladies stalk me.

[QUOTE=BamaBoy13;5248106]Almost makes you think Holden and Funder are the same person.[/QUOTE]Other than never have seen either Indigo or Jess, yup we're the same guy.

I just find it strange that those in the Hobby defend LEOs who are out to arrest you for a free market exchange between two consulting adults. Sorry my being a radical Libertarian offends you, Snowflake.

Strong first 3 posts contributing to the board, though.

Kudos.

[QUOTE=BigDaddyDog;5244635]Good lord, get on some meds. She just wanted your money.[/QUOTE]I get amusement out of guys that 'fall for girls' or say that their girls are more than a business arrangement. Not saying it can't happen, or that some regulars you see that you develop a friendship that goes beyond the transactional aspect (stop the transactions and see how long the friendship lasts as a test if you don't believe me). But if your relationship with some gal started with you giving her funding to access her fruits I'd say that's a poor start for a serious long term relationship.

The whole stalking thing IS scary and serious. Its also surprising, for me, that someone you see under this hobby gets enough personal detailed information to be able to take legal action against you. Everybody plays the game their own way but to me that's the STUPID way to do it for a whole lot of reasons. But someone with emotional issues doesn't think that way I guess.

I am not defending anybody. I am just pointing out anybody can swear out a warrant on anybody. It isn't that hard to do. You have nut job mongers and nut job providers. I have filed a restraining order before. It isn't that hard to do. That in itself doesn't prove guilt. You aren't guilty until it is proven in a court of law. Sometimes someone swears out a warrant just to harass someone. Stop assuming things. Someone doesn't have to prove a damn thing to go to the magistrate and swear out a warrant.

I had a crazy girlfriend once that put a restraining order on me. When we went to court she lied so much that the judge called her out on her bullshit and she was even arrested and hauled away while in court. Everybody assumed I was guilty when in fact she was a crazy ass woman that went to the magistrate with a bunch of damn lies. Crazy goes both ways. She was caught lying in court. Maybe this monger is guilty? I don't know. I wasn't there and I don't know either one so I am not the one to judge it.



[QUOTE=CoochieMac;5248588]I'm calling bullshit on all you mongers that are trying to portray the guy as a "normal" all American buyer of pussy. A restraining order is a bid deal. You can't buy firearms and are ordered by the judge to stay the fuck away from someone because it's likely you'll cause them serious harm. This monger ain't trying to sell Girl Scout cookies! You sympathizers probably think it's ok stalk and harass ladies? I wouldn't do that around me if I were you. Just to be clear, stalking and harassing is done by sick fux and restraining orders are serious shit!! No justification, no sympathy. Anyone who lacks charm will feel entitled and resort to harassment. Now see, I have charm and the ladies stalk me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NCTransplant;5248666]I am not defending anybody. I am just pointing out anybody can swear out a warrant on anybody. It isn't that hard to do. You have nut job mongers and nut job providers. I have filed a restraining order before. It isn't that hard to do. That in itself doesn't prove guilt. You aren't guilty until it is proven in a court of law. Sometimes someone swears out a warrant just to harass someone. Stop assuming things. Someone doesn't have to prove a damn thing to go to the magistrate and swear out a warrant.[/QUOTE]NC Transplant, you are on this site commenting daily, so I know you are well aware of this guys over-fascination with Indigo and Jess (and I am sure there are others). Do you really think the restraining order wasn't warranted. Stop defending this guy and instead maybe try helping him so it doesn't happen again or god forbid he takes it to an ever scarier level.

[QUOTE=NCTransplant;5248666]I am not defending anybody. I am just pointing out anybody can swear out a warrant on anybody. It isn't that hard to do. You have nut job mongers and nut job providers. I have filed a restraining order before. It isn't that hard to do. That in itself doesn't prove guilt. You aren't guilty until it is proven in a court of law. Sometimes someone swears out a warrant just to harass someone. Stop assuming things. Someone doesn't have to prove a damn thing to go to the magistrate and swear out a warrant.

I had a crazy girlfriend once that put a restraining order on me. When we went to court she lied so much that the judge called her out on her bullshit and she was even arrested and hauled away while in court. Everybody assumed I was guilty when in fact she was a crazy ass woman that went to the magistrate with a bunch of damn lies. Crazy goes both ways. She was caught lying in court. Maybe this monger is guilty? I don't know. I wasn't there and I don't know either one so I am not the one to judge it.[/QUOTE]It sounds like the restraint order is in effect and he was trying to figure out how to get around it because he thought her actions were such that he could assume that he could violate it. Doesn't sound like just a hearing, sounds like it was in fact issued. If a provider knows enough about you to be able to haul you into court you've already crossed the line between mongering and something too personal.

Get off it. I am NOT defending anybody. Just pointing out a restraining order in itself does not prove guilt. This whole disgussion is getting old. I said in the beginning that he should respect that restraining order. I see way too many white knights and guys idolizing these gals. The fact is NONE of us know all the facts in the situation.

[QUOTE=BamaBoy13;5248674]NC Transplant, you are on this site commenting daily, so I know you are well aware of this guys over-fascination with Indigo and Jess (and I am sure there are others). Do you really think the restraining order wasn't warranted. Stop defending this guy and instead maybe try helping him so it doesn't happen again or god forbid he takes it to an ever scarier level.[/QUOTE]

I visited a provider years ago and she knew all my personal information and I didn't give her any of it. There are online search tools that she was paying for and all she needed was a real phone number or an email address to get all the information she wanted. That was her way of screening. She may have got that information directly from him or he could have slipped up and communicated with a phone or email that she could have used to find out who he is. I try to be careful but I have slipped up in the past and used a real email. I didn't always use a burner number either. In all probability you are correct and some lines have been crossed. I doubt there are many providers that pay for online search tools to screen who they see, but I know of one that does. I am sure there are more. We all need to be careful when we reach out to any of these gals.

I agree. It does sound like he was trying to figure out how to get around a restraining order. There are all kinds of red flags on this.

[QUOTE=Gastonian4;5248715]It sounds like the restraint order is in effect and he was trying to figure out how to get around it because he thought her actions were such that he could assume that he could violate it. Doesn't sound like just a hearing, sounds like it was in fact issued. If a provider knows enough about you to be able to haul you into court you've already crossed the line between mongering and something too personal.[/QUOTE]

Nope. Funderj and Holden are 2 different guys. I don't believe Holden would do something as stupid as I did.

[QUOTE=HoldenPierson;5248599]Other than never have seen either Indigo or Jess, yup we're the same guy.

I just find it strange that those in the Hobby defend LEOs who are out to arrest you for a free market exchange between two consulting adults. Sorry my being a radical Libertarian offends you, Snowflake.

Strong first 3 posts contributing to the board, though.

Kudos.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BamaBoy13;5248106]Almost makes you think Holden and Funder are the same person.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NCTransplant;5248865]I visited a provider years ago and she knew all my personal information and I didn't give her any of it. There are online search tools that she was paying for and all she needed was a real phone number or an email address to get all the information she wanted. That was her way of screening. She may have got that information directly from him or he could have slipped up and communicated with a phone or email that she could have used to find out who he is. I try to be careful but I have slipped up in the past and used a real email. I didn't always use a burner number either. In all probability you are correct and some lines have been crossed. I doubt there are many providers that pay for online search tools to screen who they see, but I know of one that does. I am sure there are more. We all need to be careful when we reach out to any of these gals.

I agree. It does sound like he was trying to figure out how to get around a restraining order. There are all kinds of red flags on this.[/QUOTE]Trans you are right, a footloose and fancy free mongerer may one day be a married dad, an applicant for a great job, trying to get a security clearance for some reason, or have a nice portfolio that he could be blackmailed over. So all hobbyist are well advised to leave a light footprint, old scout training 'leave no trace' (my regulars teases me that I always 'take my trash' so there's no DNA on a Blue Dress laying around). I don't even think my regular (s) know my last name, my actual email address, or a phone # beyond my burner. They don't need to know and they don't ask. Because of a piece of tail, a high T level, and some emotional issues this poor guy has likely limited some of his options for the rest of his life. Maybe it doesn't matter, maybe it will. Every time a background check is run a restraining order will pop up. Questions to be asked, judgements to be made. OR no questions are asked, assumptions are made, and they move on to the next in line. That's all I'm saying. Why go there?

Unless he's 16 yo and just getting over his 1st 'crush' he was given plenty of signs, signals, and warnings.

PLUS he's now messed it up for the rest of you (because I'll never go see her). Based on the posts, this gal now has handlers, guards, screening, and may just get out of the hobby because of one blockhead!

I know I'm aging out and the vast majority of my thinking is done with the larger head these days but dang!

I know search tools have expanded but so have the tools to remain anonymous in this world.

But hey, you guys hobby the way you want to and I'll do it my way.

[QUOTE=NCTransplant;5248666]I am not defending anybody. I am just pointing out anybody can swear out a warrant on anybody. It isn't that hard to do. You have nut job mongers and nut job providers. I have filed a restraining order before. It isn't that hard to do. That in itself doesn't prove guilt. You aren't guilty until it is proven in a court of law. Sometimes someone swears out a warrant just to harass someone. Stop assuming things. Someone doesn't have to prove a damn thing to go to the magistrate and swear out a warrant.

I had a crazy girlfriend once that put a restraining order on me. When we went to court she lied so much that the judge called her out on her bullshit and she was even arrested and hauled away while in court. Everybody assumed I was guilty when in fact she was a crazy ass woman that went to the magistrate with a bunch of damn lies. Crazy goes both ways. She was caught lying in court. Maybe this monger is guilty? I don't know. I wasn't there and I don't know either one so I am not the one to judge it.[/QUOTE]Nothing you're saying is similar to what this monger has done. I guess I'm not getting it? So are saying you harassed the lady? If not, why are flooding this thread? At TRO (temporary, I. E very short time) expires unless a hearing is held and both sides testify. So the alleged perp can tell his side. Then, if judge finds initial allegations are true, a restraining order is issued for a longer duration. So, I don't get your point. Either a fucking restraining order was issued or it wasn't. Sounds like it was to me. Now is it your point that an all American pussy purchaser is a target for nare do well ladies? Or, did the monger actually do some weird shit? If you don't know, you can just say so.

I wasn't talking about what this guy has or hasn't done. I was just bringing up what is involved in swearing out a warrant and getting a restraining order. It doesn't prove guilt. These gals aren't princesses nor more than we are saints


[QUOTE=CoochieMac;5249292]Nothing you're saying is similar to what this monger has done. I guess I'm not getting it? So are saying you harassed the lady? If not, why are flooding this thread? At TRO (temporary, I. E very short time) expires unless a hearing is held and both sides testify. So the alleged perp can tell his side. Then, if judge finds initial allegations are true, a restraining order is issued for a longer duration. So, I don't get your point. Either a fucking restraining order was issued or it wasn't. Sounds like it was to me. Now is it your point that an all American pussy purchaser is a target for nare do well ladies? Or, did the monger actually do some weird shit? If you don't know, you can just say so.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NCTransplant;5249313]I wasn't talking about what this guy has or hasn't done. I was just bringing up what is involved in swearing out a warrant and getting a restraining order. It doesn't prove guilt. These gals aren't princesses nor more than we are saints[/QUOTE]If I may, I think the issue here is you are stating, quite correctly, that restraining orders in and of themself do not tell you the details of a situation, or the facts of that situation. I think some are taking that as a defense of this situation, but seems to me you are just speaking in generalities. THIS situation feels different I think, because the guy who had the RO filed against him IS THE ONE WHO TOLD US, and he also gave us details about it. He has also told everyone here MANY times that she had told him NO and she didn't want to see him. So basically the mongers post history pretty much PROVES the case. Authorities who likley browse this forum will no doubt have printed out his entire post history and made copies of it for this RO since he was silly enough to identify himself after all his shit was on file with the police.

When you go to court it is you against the plaintiff. "authorities " are not collecting evidence against you. This is not a criminal sting like a prostitution bust. Now her lawyer if he is aware of his forum posts may print them out and use them in court but it isn't something the cops are doing. I have seen this rodeo before. I'm telling you how it works. You can piss off a provider say by leaving a bad review somewhere and she can go to the magistrate and swear out a warrant and lie. Maybe say you were stalking her or assaulted her and have you arrested. If you have an RO against you, you can be arrested if you get within so many feet of her or her workplace. You aren't even allowed to contact her by phone. I had a restraining order against a crazy girlfriend I once had and she was stupid enough to leave harassing messages on my answering machine which I used against her in court.

[QUOTE=JackStamina;5249663]If I may, I think the issue here is you are stating, quite correctly, that restraining orders in and of themself do not tell you the details of a situation, or the facts of that situation. I think some are taking that as a defense of this situation, but seems to me you are just speaking in generalities. THIS situation feels different I think, because the guy who had the RO filed against him IS THE ONE WHO TOLD US, and he also gave us details about it. He has also told everyone here MANY times that she had told him NO and she didn't want to see him. So basically the mongers post history pretty much PROVES the case. Authorities who likley browse this forum will no doubt have printed out his entire post history and made copies of it for this RO since he was silly enough to identify himself after all his shit was on file with the police.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NCTransplant;5249742]When you go to court it is you against the plaintiff. "authorities " are not collecting evidence against you. This is not a criminal sting like a prostitution bust. Now her lawyer if he is aware of his forum posts may print them out and use them in court but it isn't something the cops are doing. I have seen this rodeo before. I'm telling you how it works. You can piss off a provider say by leaving a bad review somewhere and she can go to the magistrate and swear out a warrant and lie. Maybe say you were stalking her or assaulted her and have you arrested. If you have an RO against you, you can be arrested if you get within so many feet of her or her workplace. You aren't even allowed to contact her by phone. I had a restraining order against a crazy girlfriend I once had and she was stupid enough to leave harassing messages on my answering machine which I used against her in court.[/QUOTE]You have no idea what you're speaking about. Just quit. This misinformation is baseless. If you ever went thru an equitable proceeding, I can say for certain it does not happen at all like you're describing. Perhaps this happened to you in The Ukraine???