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What would you have done.[/QUOTE]Probably nothing. If I am getting a real massage because of aches and pains I am doing it through my insurance and that paper trail is not one I am going to risk.
And, for what it is worth, I dated a legit masseuse in my early 20's and have gotten a decent number of real massages over the years from guys and gals. People get hard and a lot of the "she is totally saying she wants to fuck me" is just part of the massage. You have muscles in your ass and a real massage is going to get close to the fun bits (even if it is just moving the sheet). That is WHY the naughty massage LEO dance is like that. And plenty of legit lower tier masseuses (the ones who work out of shopping malls and don't take insurance) will definitely lead people along.
That said: I have been to a few of the neon sign naughty parlors that do the "Not on the first visit" thing. That is almost always either a newbie who doesn't really want to do anything (and you should respect that) or a policy of the parlor and a way to lead people along. Handie on the second, blowie on the third, and then you have a new provider and are back to just getting a handjob but if you come back often enough we'll totally remember your face and give you what you want. Or they'll let you know that you can pay for them to go topless and you to masturbate.
If spreading my legs when she is working my ass, gently stroking her leg (if she puts it near enough my hand), and giving a dick flex and some eye movements on the flip aren't enough? Then I am not getting a happy ending and will look for a different place next time. Because if a provider is willing to get you off, they will. A handjob is just as illegal as full service by the time the cop finishes writing their story. All that multi-visit testing is just a way to milk people for more money. Rather than the other kind of milking.
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[QUOTE=JimmyReagan73;6985853]Probably nothing. If I am getting a real massage because of aches and pains I am doing it through my insurance and that paper trail is not one I am going to risk.
And, for what it is worth, I dated a legit masseuse in my early 20's and have gotten a decent number of real massages over the years from guys and gals. People get hard and a lot of the "she is totally saying she wants to fuck me" is just part of the massage. You have muscles in your ass and a real massage is going to get close to the fun bits (even if it is just moving the sheet). That is WHY the naughty massage LEO dance is like that. And plenty of legit lower tier masseuses (the ones who work out of shopping malls and don't take insurance) will definitely lead people along.
That said: I have been to a few of the neon sign naughty parlors that do the "Not on the first visit" thing. That is almost always either a newbie who doesn't really want to do anything (and you should respect that) or a policy of the parlor and a way to lead people along. Handie on the second, blowie on the third, and then you have a new provider and are back to just getting a handjob but if you come back often enough we'll totally remember your face and give you what you want. Or they'll let you know that you can pay for them to go topless and you to masturbate.
If spreading my legs when she is working my ass, gently stroking her leg (if she puts it near enough my hand), and giving a dick flex and some eye movements on the flip aren't enough? Then I am not getting a happy ending and will look for a different place next time. Because if a provider is willing to get you off, they will. A handjob is just as illegal as full service by the time the cop finishes writing their story. All that multi-visit testing is just a way to milk people for more money. Rather than the other kind of milking.[/QUOTE]Yeah, fair points. Though those fingers sliding in my crack were definitely a tease, nothing therapeutic. But yeah, I guess not worth risking it.
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When do you tip?
I've been to AMPs off and on for about 30 years now. Some awesome experiences and some just ok ones. I've always paid the house up front and then tipped the girl when the time came.
However, I want a girl that will play around with my sensitive areas throughout the experience and not just before the flip to get me worked up for the tip.
I have read to maybe lay the tip on the table in the room so she can see it when she leaves the room while you undress. I have read to hand it to her before you begin. Have you guys had any luck with these or are there other methods?
I understand that it is best to visit the same place over and over and maybe even better if you can see the same girl several times. I have experienced this and know that is a great way to. I saw one at some point that we just both got naked and would play for the allotted time I had paid for. I've had them pop me multiple times during a visit. I've had one make me pop and then her get another girl and both of them just play with me together until I popped a second time. Most of these were years ago when I was younger and had the time and money to build that relationship at that establishment. Even had one that would see me early in the day and I would be a paying customer. She would then tell me to come back later that evening before they closed and we would just play around until we were both satisfied.
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[QUOTE=IWearSandals;7216137]I've been to AMPs off and on for about 30 years now. Some awesome experiences and some just ok ones. I've always paid the house up front and then tipped the girl when the time came.
However, I want a girl that will play around with my sensitive areas throughout the experience and not just before the flip to get me worked up for the tip.
I have read to maybe lay the tip on the table in the room so she can see it when she leaves the room while you undress. I have read to hand it to her before you begin. Have you guys had any luck with these or are there other methods?
I understand that it is best to visit the same place over and over and maybe even better if you can see the same girl several times. I have experienced this and know that is a great way to. I saw one at some point that we just both got naked and would play for the allotted time I had paid for. I've had them pop me multiple times during a visit. I've had one make me pop and then her get another girl and both of them just play with me together until I popped a second time. Most of these were years ago when I was younger and had the time and money to build that relationship at that establishment. Even had one that would see me early in the day and I would be a paying customer. She would then tell me to come back later that evening before they closed and we would just play around until we were both satisfied.[/QUOTE]All of those ways work. If you know the place, I usually just say 1 hour and pay the full amount for a seamless experience. If you pay half way, they usually leave to get ready and put stuff away. New places, I tend to wait to tip.
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Finish on all fours?
My regular does a tease that has me arch my back and eventually I'm on my hands and knees. She starts an HJ but I get to the edge and she has me flip over. I'm assuming she wants me to finish per usual for easier clean up for her. If I release on all fours it could get messy.
Any suggestions on asking to finish on all fours? Should I place the towel under me up front and say something when I'm close to finishing?
Should I say something right up front (if so what since I don't speak Asian)?
I just think releasing while up on my hands and knees while she's teasing my ass, taint and stroking me would be incredible! Kind of like milking actually, which I haven't experienced. Thoughts from the group?
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All Fours
[QUOTE=NewAdventures;7380180]My regular does a tease that has me arch my back and eventually I'm on my hands and knees. She starts an HJ but I get to the edge and she has me flip over. I'm assuming she wants me to finish per usual for easier clean up for her. If I release on all fours it could get messy.
Any suggestions on asking to finish on all fours? Should I place the towel under me up front and say something when I'm close to finishing?
Should I say something right up front (if so what since I don't speak Asian)?
I just think releasing while up on my hands and knees while she's teasing my ass, taint and stroking me would be incredible! Kind of like milking actually, which I haven't experienced. Thoughts from the group?[/QUOTE]I've had this happen during the COVID Years and may have been an adjustment so you weren't exhaling in her face (even with masks on, which I'm glad that stopped). Basically started with a lot of teasing, then some prostate play then just very skilled work. She had some Kleenex and used that to catch everything that came out of me. It was pretty great but my arms and legs got wobbly like a newborn giraffe. It was planned on her part.
For you, maybe just say "keep going" or something like that. Maybe some of the ladies don't even think of finishing you off that way. Just a thought. YMMV and welcome to the forum.
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My own 2 cents
This is my strategy for seeing someone for the first time, this is more for indies, but can apply for an AMP as well.
When I see a massage lady for the first time, I have a few things I do to determine if there is any fun to be had past a legit massage. I always ask when making an appointment about her draping policy. If she requires it, I usually pass. If it's not required, that's a good first step.
Secondly, if she asks me if there are any areas I want to have worked on, I tell her, the glutes and hamstrings. When she massages there, it depends on how aggressive she is in massaging that area. If she goes all the way up the legs, a good sign that there will be some happiness. If she doesn't do that and avoids the area, likely all you'll get is a massage.
When lying face down, I dangle my arms over the side of the table. After about 5-10 minutes into the massage, if she is standing next to me, I'll reach over and my hand will touch her calf. If there is no response, I'll gradually move up the leg, and eventually to her butt. If she doesn't object, that's another good sign something may happen.
This usually works for me. But as always, YMMV.
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[QUOTE=Dockers55;7380593]This is my strategy for seeing someone for the first time, this is more for indies, but can apply for an AMP as well.
When I see a massage lady for the first time, I have a few things I do to determine if there is any fun to be had past a legit massage. I always ask when making an appointment about her draping policy. If she requires it, I usually pass. If it's not required, that's a good first step.
Secondly, if she asks me if there are any areas I want to have worked on, I tell her, the glutes and hamstrings. When she massages there, it depends on how aggressive she is in massaging that area. If she goes all the way up the legs, a good sign that there will be some happiness. If she doesn't do that and avoids the area, likely all you'll get is a massage.
When lying face down, I dangle my arms over the side of the table. After about 5-10 minutes into the massage, if she is standing next to me, I'll reach over and my hand will touch her calf. If there is no response, I'll gradually move up the leg, and eventually to her butt. If she doesn't object, that's another good sign something may happen.
This usually works for me. But as always, YMMV.[/QUOTE]Yep, been there done that 🤣.