General Reports

[QUOTE=LoVecchio;3364515]The sugar-baby scene is very different from the BP / escort scene. A few of the women are actually pros, a fair number are UTRs, but most of them are neither. Many are looking for one guy at a time, and in my experience over the last few years, they have a different outlook than the pros / UTRs. They are not (well, at least the best are not) "beginners" in the sense that this is a way station to professional status. Instead, they are students, waitresses, etc. , that like sex and wouldn't mind some money and fun along the way.

The city forums that deal with sugar babies vary a lot, as well. Some trade information on particular SBs, while others just talk generally about issues that come up in that environment. My perception is that the forums that treat SBs like pros are going to destroy the SB scene. Most of the girls do not consider themselves escorts, and if they learn that other people view them (and treat them) that way, they will exit the scene, just leaving the pros and UTRs on the site, which would be the death of a site that charges a fair amount of money to belong to.[/QUOTE]How do you propose compensation to a potential SB? I've been working a few lately and offered 100 per visit but that doesn't seem to fly. Maybe because that makes them feel like an escort. I don't really want to go out to dinner with them and mainly want fun in the bedroom, but maybe I need to change my approach. Maybe a monthly stipend is what they are looking for but I'm not willing to front a monthly amount with the hope of 3-5 visits per month.

[QUOTE=Sleeper1;3376846]How do you propose compensation to a potential SB? I've been working a few lately and offered 100 per visit but that doesn't seem to fly. Maybe because that makes them feel like an escort. I don't really want to go out to dinner with them and mainly want fun in the bedroom, but maybe I need to change my approach. Maybe a monthly stipend is what they are looking for but I'm not willing to front a monthly amount with the hope of 3-5 visits per month.[/QUOTE]100 is a great place to start. You will find some winners at that price. 150-200 will get you anyone on that site except the pro. Most of the girls are inexperienced and look at it as a way to pay a phone bill or an insurance payment. My experience is the best ones cost me the least and the most expensicve turned out to be the worst. Make note of their joined date. Newer the better.

[QUOTE=JoeDocks11;3376865]100 is a great place to start. You will find some winners at that price. 150-200 will get you anyone on that site except the pro. Most of the girls are inexperienced and look at it as a way to pay a phone bill or an insurance payment. My experience is the best ones cost me the least and the most expensicve turned out to be the worst. Make note of their joined date. Newer the better.[/QUOTE]Is that 150-200 a monthly stipend or per visit?

[QUOTE=Sleeper1;3376846]How do you propose compensation to a potential SB? I've been working a few lately and offered 100 per visit but that doesn't seem to fly. Maybe because that makes them feel like an escort. I don't really want to go out to dinner with them and mainly want fun in the bedroom, but maybe I need to change my approach. Maybe a monthly stipend is what they are looking for but I'm not willing to front a monthly amount with the hope of 3-5 visits per month.[/QUOTE]That's one of the most awkward things (for me, anyway), and the right answer really depends on what kind of girl I'm talking to. My best experiences have been with girls who are not even UTRs. Most commonly, I meet with them for lunch or coffee (the only time that I will meet them outside the private setting). Sometimes it comes up; sometimes it doesn't. I've had a couple where we end up meeting at a hotel without ever having set an amount. Sometimes they raise it in their first or second message, in which case I usually drop them (unless they are particularly desirable), as I figure they are too much on the pro side. (Not that I have anything against pros; it's just not what I'm looking for when I'm in the sugar-baby market.) I never bring the subject up first. If they ask, I sometimes give a number, sometimes I ask what they are looking for, and other times I tell them that I'd rather talk that over at the meet-and-greet. There's no real formula.

I would never agree to a monthly allowance. My sense is that it seldom works, at least not until there's a real relationship established and you're not worried about exploitation.

As for amounts, I always offer more than you are talking about. I'm not surprised that you are not getting the kind of response you want at that level. On the other hand, I generally want to meet with them for 3-4 hours, because I'm not just looking for a quickie. I really am looking for an ongoing relationship that is more than just physical. But I can't meet that often, so I figure I have to make it up with a higher per-meet payment than I would otherwise be willing to pay.

The best source of information that I've found on this topic is in the Richmond, Virginia, forum, which has a section on sugar babies. There are lots of participants from around the country; it doesn't just focus on Richmond (and there's very little discussion of individual SBs, unlike, say, the LA forum).

Feliz cinco de mayo mis amigos.

[QUOTE=Insidious;3376943]Is that 150-200 a monthly stipend or per visit?[/QUOTE]Per visit.

Heard of anr and abr but wondering if any ladies out there lactating so a guy can get a little.

Meet with her the other day. Not the best neighborhood so I kinda freaked out. We meet down the street and had a nice convo and dessert in the car. If she gets her act together and finds a more suitable spot I will repeat.

Just wondering what Heather your talking about?

[QUOTE=SkinDogToo;3388418]Meet with her the other day. Not the best neighborhood so I kinda freaked out. We meet down the street and had a nice convo and dessert in the car. If she gets her act together and finds a more suitable spot I will repeat.[/QUOTE]

I'm wondering if there are any posts on the site that have tips and tricks for various aspects of the hobby (in particular being discreet to avoid capture by LE or spouse). I know the main page has a link with several tips for SWs, but I'm more into the AMP, SC, Escort scene.

If not, what tips do you guys have. Areas of interest (along with a few things I do) are.

Internet usage:

I use Chrome's "Incognito mode" and avoid typical search engine, but wonder if there are better options for discretion.

Dealing with smells (from smoke, perfume).

I usually take a change of clothes, along with a garbage bag to store smelly clothes in.

The clothes I wear are something I can drop off at the dry cleaner.

Phone usage:

I never use my personal phone, but have yet to purchase a Walmart burner. I'm not a regular hobbyist, so I'm not that familiar with how burners actually work.

References:

All of the higher end escorts require references. Are there any recommended providers that don't cost too much (I. E. $$ and are references friendly?

[QUOTE=SkinDogToo;3388418]Meet with her the other day. Not the best neighborhood so I kinda freaked out. We meet down the street and had a nice convo and dessert in the car. If she gets her act together and finds a more suitable spot I will repeat.[/QUOTE]Great,

Which Heather?

When I head to an AMP and end up with a certain aroma, I am always prepared to head to the gym for a quick workout, which is followed by hot tub / shower along with the consistent bar of soap that I use at home- stashed in my workout bag.

I use one universal phone for everything; I am more into the AMP scene myself as well. If I frequent an AMP downriver and want to call to make sure so and so is working, I program their # under a client's name, but with their "downriver" insert city name in the saved profile info name associated with the number.

[QUOTE=JayJay123;3389339]I'm wondering if there are any posts on the site that have tips and tricks for various aspects of the hobby (in particular being discreet to avoid capture by LE or spouse). I know the main page has a link with several tips for SWs, but I'm more into the AMP, SC, Escort scene.

If not, what tips do you guys have. Areas of interest (along with a few things I do) are.

Internet usage:

I use Chrome's "Incognito mode" and avoid typical search engine, but wonder if there are better options for discretion.

Dealing with smells (from smoke, perfume).

I usually take a change of clothes, along with a garbage bag to store smelly clothes in.

The clothes I wear are something I can drop off at the dry cleaner.

Phone usage:

I never use my personal phone, but have yet to purchase a Walmart burner. I'm not a regular hobbyist, so I'm not that familiar with how burners actually work.

References:

All of the higher end escorts require references. Are there any recommended providers that don't cost too much (I. E. $$ and are references friendly?[/QUOTE]

Local news 7 had most wanted segment at 10 pm as it seems marshals are chasing guys from events at the Victory Inn.

[QUOTE=HungaryMan;3389971]Local news 7 had most wanted segment at 10 pm as it seems marshals are chasing guys from events at the Victory Inn.[/QUOTE]That's because they have been going after a guy who was staked out there pimping out underage girls. The feds have been all over that place for at least the last 4 months probably more.

For what it's worth, drove by this establishment whist doing some nighttime errands and saw a couple of the cities finest in the lot. What caught my eye was one of them tailing a vehicle that just left the establishment and "lighting him up." Not sure what this means, but consider yourselves enlightened. That's assuming this place is used for more than sleeping.