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Gents,
While I am a promoter of "RTFF" sometimes our hands are tied.
Case in point:
I am interested in researching/going to Ge's , however the site software does not allow a short search. What I mean is that you need at least 4 letters to seach.
With that said , perhaps someone can pm Ge's location and contact info
Thanks,
pwH
[QUOTE=Pw Herman]Gents,
While I am a promoter of "RTFF" sometimes our hands are tied.
Case in point:
I am interested in reserching/going to Ge's , however the site software does not allow short search's. What I mean is that you need at least 4 letters to seach.
With that said , perhaps someone can pm Ge's location and contact info
Thanks,
pwH[/QUOTE]
I had the same problem with LY
PWH & HappyDave (& Others who desire to perform short character searches),
This post is to address your comments about being unable to perform....I mean....being unable to do [perform] limited character searches ON THIS SITE (search engines on different sites work in different ways - hope I do not get dinged by the moderators for this post). Your 2 or 3 character searches errored out and did not allow you to perform a seach. Please do not be insulted if you already know how to use some of the features described below.
The trick is to use asterisks ( * ) as wildcard placeholders for characters you need for the search to be activated. Don't let the description below scare you, because the 2 steps are really easy to perform.
Using PWH's Scenario:
[Note: If you had searched "ge's", well that was 4 characters, and that search would have worked fine for you and provided search results which would have taken you right to posts with GE's within the thread. The apostrophe counts as a character for the search engine purposes.]
IF you searched for only the 2 characters "ge", THEN you would have gotten no search results returned, plus, a search error message denoting that a larger number of characters is needed to perform a search.
IF you entered the 4 characters "ge*s", THEN, the system would return search results where it found posts with the letters 'ge' followed by the letter 's' in a string of characters (e.g., gents, genitals, get slammed). To help weed through the search results to find the posts that you are looking for more quickly, you navigate to the Menu > Edit > Find On This Page option, and, enter what you would like to find. The software will highlight and jump to the locations where your desired string of "find" characters was found.
You could optionally elect to Search for the 4 characters "ge**", and the system will return search results which are a bit larger (you will get all situations where the string of just the 2 characters "ge" were found, but, you can still navigate to the Find On This Page menu option to narrow down what items to look for and jump to what you would like to find). To narrow the "find" jumps, you can make the search "match case" sensitive and enter something like "GE" to weed out strings that have "ge".
HappyDave's scenario would involve the same approach, but, he would be using the characters "LY". The same types of search results and Find On This Page selections apply.
It appears that the Advanced Search option available on this site would not really assist you with the 2 or 3 character searches you are trying to peform, or "match case" sensitive searches which you are trying to execute. Only the use of asterisks will assist.
Happy searching, so, next time you are looking for a "HE", I hope you can search and find one!
Regards,
HD
[QUOTE=Pw Herman]Gents,
While I am a promoter of "RTFF" sometimes our hands are tied.
Case in point:
I am interested in researching/going to Ge's , however the site software does not allow a short search. What I mean is that you need at least 4 letters to seach.
With that said , perhaps someone can pm Ge's location and contact info
Thanks,
pwH[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HappyDave]I had the same problem with LY[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hand Deliver]PWH & HappyDave (& Others who desire to perform short character searches),
This post is to address your comments about being unable to perform....I mean....being unable to do [perform] limited character searches ON THIS SITE (search engines on different sites work in different ways - hope I do not get dinged by the moderators for this post). Your 2 or 3 character searches errored out and did not allow you to perform a seach. Please do not be insulted if you already know how to use some of the features described below.
The trick is to use asterisks ( * ) as wildcard placeholders for characters you need for the search to be activated. Don't let the description below scare you, because the 2 steps are really easy to perform.
Using PWH's Scenario:
[Note: If you had searched "ge's", well that was 4 characters, and that search would have worked fine for you and provided search results which would have taken you right to posts with GE's within the thread. The apostrophe counts as a character for the search engine purposes.]
IF you searched for only the 2 characters "ge", THEN you would have gotten no search results returned, plus, a search error message denoting that a larger number of characters is needed to perform a search.
IF you entered the 4 characters "ge*s", THEN, the system would return search results where it found posts with the letters 'ge' followed by the letter 's' in a string of characters (e.g., gents, genitals, get slammed). To help weed through the search results to find the posts that you are looking for more quickly, you navigate to the Menu > Edit > Find On This Page option, and, enter what you would like to find. The software will highlight and jump to the locations where your desired string of "find" characters was found.
You could optionally elect to Search for the 4 characters "ge**", and the system will return search results which are a bit larger (you will get all situations where the string of just the 2 characters "ge" were found, but, you can still navigate to the Find On This Page menu option to narrow down what items to look for and jump to what you would like to find). To narrow the "find" jumps, you can make the search "match case" sensitive and enter something like "GE" to weed out strings that have "ge".
HappyDave's scenario would involve the same approach, but, he would be using the characters "LY". The same types of search results and Find On This Page selections apply.
It appears that the Advanced Search option available on this site would not really assist you with the 2 or 3 character searches you are trying to peform, or "match case" sensitive searches which you are trying to execute. Only the use of asterisks will assist.
Happy searching, so, next time you are looking for a "HE", I hope you can search and find one!
Regards,
HD[/QUOTE]
I tried the search with your suggestions. I did get results but they were crap, all off the topic of the search. Thanks for the suggestion.
She has two relatively new girls, Bianca and Selma. Both have been there for at least two months, and are more than decent at there jobs. Bianca is tiny but very cute, Selma is curvy in a very nice way.
Anything on Centennial? It has been open again for a wile now...
Been there three times since the reopening. New shower facility is nice. As always, new girls are rotating in and out, and the owner gripes, with good reason it seems, about the reliability of newer girls and the one who have been around with Centennial for a while. Tiffany was there till recently, and when she was around she wanted to please customers - good attitude, basic FS provider. One of my trips, there were two ladies working, and I had to pass on both of them as not quite my taste. If Marie could get some regular, reliable, fairly cute ladies, I think we customers would visit more often.
[QUOTE=Little Tony II]Anything on Centennial? It has beeo open again for a wile now...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Adobe]Been there three times since the reopening. New shower facility is nice. As always, new girls are rotating in and out, and the owner gripes, with good reason it seems, about the reliability of newer girls and the one who have been around with Centennial for a while. Tiffany was there till recently, and when she was around she wanted to please customers - good attitude, basic FS provider. One of my trips, there were two ladies working, and I had to pass on both of them as not quite my taste. If Marie could get some regular, reliable, fairly cute ladies, I think we customers would visit more often.[/QUOTE]
Does anyone know if Tiffany providing somewhere else? Independent?
Made a one hr apt to see Jane yesterday. I was told to do half by fellow mongers out here, but it was a long drive and decided to go for full hour.
Jane has a really nice body and strips right down to panties. She gives a nice light massage, nothing special and a very mechanical finish.
If she was closer to the city I would consider repeating but not worth the long drive to the cape. She is willing to do outcall.
Hr-2.2
2.2 for HR? Wow. Wish I could afford that these days!
[QUOTE=Natebost]Made a one hr apt to see Jane yesterday. I was told to do half by fellow mongers out here, but it was a long drive and decided to go for full hour.
Jane has a really nice body and strips right down to panties. She gives a nice light massage, nothing special and a very mechanical finish.
If she was closer to the city I would consider repeating but not worth the long drive to the cape. She is willing to do outcall.
Hr-2.2[/QUOTE]
I saw this new girl named Jennjifer asian girl about 25 black hair the other day at this place and it was .7 for the massage which was fair, and .7 for cbj. Overall not bad.
Safe place with off street parking.
[url]http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/ads/1474615771.html[/url]
Sounds a bit steep. Did she make you dinner?
[QUOTE=Dan Wesson]Sounds a bit steep. Did she make you dinner?[/QUOTE]No but she did follow it up with an email thanking me! I think steep is an understatement but wanted to share the data!
Hey Everyone,
Came across an ad for JC out of Marshfield. She jsut moved back from Vegas and is getting her feet underneath her. We emailed and texted a bunch of times and I finally got to see het last week. Incredibly cute young woman and draping is optional. Unfortunately, that is it! But, she gave a fantastic massage and I haven't felt this good in years. If you want an indepedent, legit massage, this is your girl.
Haven't posted in a while as I haven't seen anyone new in some time. Still looking for the diamond in the rough. Lisa from Masters, where are you?
[QUOTE=Boston Ampfan]2.2 for HR? Wow. Wish I could afford that these days![/QUOTE]
It should be full service for that price and time frame. She is cute, young and has the advantage of no competition in the area. A fair price for her service is $ 100 to $ 140 but that is me.
Steve
I posted a report on LY and Ocean. I figured some of you mongers must be going to one or the other. Just wondering if there was something I missed or a person I should have asked for.
PM me if you don't want to do an open reply.
Any info that can help Salem.
Good Evening,
TOFTT earlier today.
Called Oasis Massage Therapy & set up an appointment for 1 hour. Got there, paid house fee (. 60) and got comfortable. Got Christine (on a scale from 1-10 a 4) and she punched her time clock (so to speak) and proceeded to massage me.
She had no issues with me being undraped so I had a glimmer of hope for an HE but that soon got dashed when after 30 minutes I pointed to the nether region and she emphatically stated "NO". After the flip I started to daydream about good ole' WW and soon after the clock beeped I got dressed.
After I got dressed she said "tip"? And I then stated emphatically "NO" and she had this sour look on her face. I was so angry I didn't even lecture her on the laws of quid pro quo and hightailed it to WW where I drew Lily and made up for some lost time.
In conclusion,
Avoid Oasis and travel the extra 1/4 of a mile to WW.
Sharing info is good. I was just bustin your chops!
[QUOTE=Natebost]No but she did follow it up with an email thanking me! I think steep is an understatement but wanted to share the data![/QUOTE]
had a nice session with Danielle at ARIA in Brockton. A REAL massage plus I left happy.
Steve
Last week I saw Miranda. She is the owner of the spa. She used to work at Spa Aria downt he street. Massage RX used to be located at a dump mall but moved to a nicer location nect to a Deagelos Sub shop in Easton on Route 138. The prices are the same as Area and Miranda is about 38 yrs old and a free spirit. She has two other young workers there. Massge was good and I left FULLY rleaxed. I got a nice view of some mountains there also.
Steve
So, I tried to post this yesterday but wasn't able to get online and some of the details need to be updated with some research.
I decided to take a leap of CL faith and found an ad that was intriguing (sp?). It was for Brazilian girls on the northshore. They seem to advertise with and without a number to call. I called the number and was quoted. 8 for the session. I booked an appt. For later that afternoon and fully expected very little out of the trip.
I went to a residental house on the Northsore and was greeted by a 4-5. Exactly what I expected and proceeded to get a massage.
About half way into it, a knock on the outside door and she excused herself. Her English was terrible and we didn't really talk too much during the session, which I like to do. I figured it was another "monger" and that she would rush the ending to move on to the next guy.
After she continued the massage, I asked if she works with another girl. By the way, I didn't even bother to ask this one if more was on the menu. No way I could have ever done that. She explained to me that there was indeed another girl she worked with. I asked if she was pretty and she offered to have her come in so I could see her.
In walks this pretty blonde with fakers. WOW, she offered to finish the session and I was very pleasantly suprised. She walked in and removed all of her clothes and finished me off very happily. I didn't ask what else was out there, I was just very excited for my luck!
Anyway, I considered this a major victory for the good guys and wanted to share out here. I did a cursary search for the phone digits out here and didn't see anything. I think it is a worthwhile repeat if I get the blonde. I remembered her name yesterday but it escapes me today.
Damage-. 8 +. 2 tip.
Went to Waltham today, and saw Susan at WW.
This will be the shortest review I've ever posted:
Asked for hard, got hard. Great coverage from base of skull down to ankles.
She has the strongest thumbs ever. Awesome pre-flip tease with lotion, then a very prolonged ending with access to the right boob. Finish was completely draining, with her finger adding incentive.
Saw Jessica (with a new hairdo) on way out, and she said hi.
Full hour, .6 + .4 tip, left happy.
JP
[QUOTE=Chevypickup]Any info that can help Salem.[/QUOTE]Hi,
Ashamed to say I've visited her 5+ times over the past year for one and only one reason only...the BBBJ ending. A human vacuum pump. Sub-par massage. If you can 'enhance' your perception before visiting you may get beyond her girth and appearance. She's quite frightening, but I like freaky women sometimes.
YMMV
Originally Posted by Damon61
Also saw Delphine last week, experience to forget. This girl was recommended. Never to repeat, much older in person that on the phone and she lies about her age. She is close to 50! Her body was very muscular from obvious, over excessive working out and her breasts were horribly misshaped and disgustingly, hard from all the surgeries. I am not into body art and she had some horribly huge tattoos that were all down her back. Money is all this girl or rather this older woman has on her mind. She tries to upsell everything. Pictures inaccurate, and obviously old, She was far from eye candy and gave a weak massage.
Will not return![/QUOTE]
Catching up on my reading and came across this one.
Dude, I don't know who you are and based on this post, nothing that you could post would ever have credibility in my book based on your "review" of Delphine...FYI she retired some time ago and she was a regular stop for me, almost weekly and if you ever did see her, she would probaly have never accepted a second appointment with you.
Later.
Saw D a long while ago and I have to agree with Coast Hog that she was one of the hottest women I have laid eyes on. Great body, even better personality. If I could have afforded it, I would have seen her every day! If a twenty-something is what you are looking for D is not your cup of tea but she is/was definitely a MILF, and this is one monger that would love to see her again and again...
Delphine if you are out there remember Bob Hope said it best... Thanks For The Memories!!!!
PL
I think Ling is out of the business, was at CH and called the # end with 6663 and she answer the phone and clearly says "no more Chinese massage" I understood no more at least for the short term and she is not doing massage.
End up going to Diva's Spa and it was average visit, Alice was not there so I end up
With an older provider, excellent massage though, with the usual.
.7 For the massage. 3 for tip, will not repeat.
Side Question: Would any one knows what the place on the other side on UNIQ Hair Salon near the corner of Kneeled and Hudson? I would say 3 Hudson?
[QUOTE=Leggeddog]Still wondering why of all the girls out there, Ling is sporting a bracelet. Did she get time for her bust in Brighton or instead of jail time she gets monitored with a bracelet. I mean how close can they monitor her, apparently not much if she is moving around in CT. If someone gets a chance can they ask her? Just curious.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pornlover2222]Saw D a long while ago and I have to agree with Coast Hog that she was one of the hottest women I have laid eyes on. Great body, even better personality. If I could have afforded it, I would have seen her every day! If a twenty-something is what you are looking for D is not your cup of tea but she is/was definitely a MILF, and this is one monger that would love to see her again and again...
Delphine if you are out there remember Bob Hope said it best... Thanks For The Memories!!!!
PL[/QUOTE]
I thought she retired. She was the best MILF around, her hard body rocked and very nice clit. She has a serpent body tatoo which is definately different. I saw her four times and each time she was dressed to kill in bustiers and stockings. Great personality,funny and gave a great massage. Knew she worked for twiceasnice before which is now bostonintescorts.com Looking to reunite. Recommended. PM me with info. Thanks
Visited the AMP du jour at #7226. This location changes the bodyworks providers on an ongoing rotation basis, so you draw the card of whoever is on duty during the time period you visit. Lady "C" met me at the door to the unit.
Ample ads posted on the boards by them. The current series of ads being run are way overstated by using wording like "stunning", "ultimate", "fantasy", "hot", "sexy". They did deliver on the "relieve aches and pains" portion of the ad. The pic is always a canned pic of a very young beauty, and never reflective of who is going to be on duty.
Clothes off (mine) and onto the table. Same setup as have seen before with massage table, and a mattress on the floor. She offered a hard massage, but, it was medium. Started with my shoulders, then down, using a lot of smooth open hand rubbing. About one third of the first half hour was spent on, and right around, the butt. Basically, a lot of "swirling and kneading" action which felt good from the low lower back to top of legs region. She was on and of the table strattling me to give a decent massage. No standing on my back though. Then, onto the lower legs a little while. For a change, I opted for no lotion, no oil (I get tired of the after-smell and it never all comes off and gets on the clothes; plus, it's a real deal breaker with the gf if she feels the smooth skin or sniffs you and gets a whiff of the effervescents), and was glad that I did. Upon turning over (the flip), no time was wasted effectively teasing the heat-seeking love missle. As my fingers did the roaming, we talked it over and mutually decided that trying out a full complement of services was the best course of action.
Clothes off (hers), and provided me a cbj for a little while (told me bbbbj not available). Not bad, but not enough of her hand action accompanied it; my hands were still busy roaming where ever and everywhere. As she goes to hop up onto the table, then hop on me, I direct her to change the approach and we head to the mattress. Started doggie, and a lot of it. Coco grimaced a lot, but, unlike her predessor, she was aimed to please and took whatever came her way with no complaining. Onto mish and goal posting for as long as I wanted, still with the grimacing, and supplemented with words of encouragement to keep going as much as I wanted.....then, the pop and the papertowel cleanup.
Funny thing, while getting dressed, I again stared at the same [real] apple about two feet away from me that has been sitting in the exact same nook corner of the room for, literally, months. Rotting a little, but no fruit flies.
To sum up her looks: Asian (they got that part of the ad right), in 40's, a "little" extra weight on the belly but not tons, plainish lookin', small but pointy breasts, wide top of legs but not fat legs ("swimmer" came to mind), smiles, and so-so on the communication skills.
Finished dressing and got a good-bye hug from "C". An ok experience with a pleasant provider, but, she did not meet or exceed my sniff test for a repeat. House fee .7, full course, add $. Overall looks 5-6, services 6-7. Location cleanliness (ignoring the one rotting apple that spoils the bunch ) 7.
[Taking into account activities going on at this point in time in the theater of massages and providers, I am leaning toward doing posts with more white space and a fewer details to try to protect the innocent. So, please feel free to PM me if you feel you would like additional dets.]
Regards,
HD
[QUOTE=Coast Hog]Originally Posted by Damon61
Also saw Delphine last week, experience to forget. This girl was recommended. Never to repeat, much older in person that on the phone and she lies about her age. She is close to 50! Her body was very muscular from obvious, over excessive working out and her breasts were horribly misshaped and disgustingly, hard from all the surgeries. I am not into body art and she had some horribly huge tattoos that were all down her back. Money is all this girl or rather this older woman has on her mind. She tries to upsell everything. Pictures inaccurate, and obviously old, She was far from eye candy and gave a weak massage.
Will not return![/QUOTE]Catching up on my reading and came across this one.
Dude, I don't know who you are and based on this post, nothing that you could post would ever have credibility in my book based on your "review" of Delphine...FYI she retired some time ago and she was a regular stop for me, almost weekly and if you ever did see her, she would probaly have never accepted a second appointment with you.
Later.[/QUOTE]Coast Hog is 100% on the money. There is NO WAY that encounter took place with Delphine. She was, and always will be, the best! Still wishing and hoping for a reunion tour.
I have done my research but Irene's number still elludes me. it was said that she had a backpage ad but I think its been to long and its expired. so any info would be greatly appreciated. hopefully my small amount of useful posts will warrant an answer to this. thanks gentleman.
Had a good appointment with Louisa two days ago, lovely handwork finished with an excellent cbj.(I brought my own poncho) Tipped 60 on top of the house fee. I have been here a few times now and all my experiences have been different, I have always left happy but some girls seem open to anything while others can be rather strict. My question for the board is: has anyone gotten fs here? If not have they had it offered and by whom? Any help is appreciated.
Called today to try and make an appointment with Rio because she seems to have great reviews and was told by the girl on the phone that she's no longer working there.
Anyone know where she went or why she left?
She has an ad on Cl today. Her number is 781-350-3442.
[QUOTE=Morrison888]I have done my research but Irene's number still elludes me. it was said that she had a backpage ad but I think its been to long and its expired. so any info would be greatly appreciated. hopefully my small amount of useful posts will warrant an answer to this. thanks gentleman.[/QUOTE]
Went for my second visit a week or two ago. Saw Susan again. Place is definitely DIY so I left a $10 tip.
[QUOTE=Willcall44]Catching up on my reading and came across this one.
Dude, I don't know who you are and based on this post, nothing that you could post would ever have credibility in my book based on your "review" of Delphine...FYI she retired some time ago and she was a regular stop for me, almost weekly and if you ever did see her, she would probaly have never accepted a second appointment with you.
Later.[/QUOTE]Coast Hog is 100% on the money. There is NO WAY that encounter took place with Delphine. She was, and always will be, the best! Still wishing and hoping for a reunion tour.[/QUOTE]
Derlphine MILF plus
Pulled out my old hard drive and found this pic from I believe an old eros ad.
I agree!! I saw "D" several times, but it has absolutly been over two years now since I have seen anything from her. I remember she used those rock hard boobs as part of the massage!!
Tony
[QUOTE=Leggeddog]Coast Hog is 100% on the money. There is NO WAY that encounter took place with Delphine. She was, and always will be, the best! Still wishing and hoping for a reunion tour.[/QUOTE]
Derlphine MILF plus
Pulled out my old hard drive and found this pic from I believe an old eros ad.[/QUOTE]
I made my first ever visit to Aiko in CT during this past week after having a dissappointing Wellesley experience recently (please see prior post). I called about 20 minutes before my 1 PM appointment and arrived off of the Kneeland street building a few minutes earlier. Walking up to her 2nd floor location I did notice another beauty salon across the hall with an attractive provider though did not get any details.
When entering, I noticed Aiko neatly cleaning up the massage table and area and told me "don't worry it's very clean". I then proceeded to get undressed, stripping naked, and placing all of my belongings onto a nearby chair. Aiko was busy washing her hands in the sink towards the end of my bed. I made a point to remain standing and fully erect when she turned towards me which she eventually did and smiled. I then laid down on the bed face down during which she proceeded to lock the door, pull the blinds over to ensure privacy, and massage my back, butt, and legs.
I purposefully put my butt in the air as to give her access to my boys of which she took full advantage. Short story, in about 10 minutes I was on my knees performing pelvic thrusts as Aiko stroked my member to full climax from behind and beneath. Excellent experience.
After the first pop, Aiko proceeded to perform what I consider to be one of my best massages yet. Her foot massage technique was excellent, back massage strong, arms, fingers, chest, everything. I found out she's Malaysian/Chinese (not Japanese like I thought) with a good sense of humor. Interesting story. She tried living in a basement unit in CT but the rats from the above restaurant would get their food and crawl down to her place to finish. Don't know if I'll try another CT restaurant after that story. She says she typically gets men and not women given that many CT massages for. 5 and. 6 are below her. 7 fee and "women won't pay. 7". Also, she said she prefered to work only with white guys, not giving specific reasons. Business is down a bit with hardly any work during the weekends though sometimes having to pass up business mid-day during the week as multiple mongers call around the lunch hour (I note that I tried to call once or twice previously and she was booked during the 11-1 period).
After a full hour-plus, I was on my back with Aiko massaging my stomach and legs. Soon I was erect again. Aiko, similar to the first pop which she did not even ask or require instructions, immediately lubed up her hands with oil and began stroking my member to a second pop. Incredible. This never happened to me at any provider.
And, even after the second pop, she continued to massage my arms and fingers and neck for another 5-10 minutes. All in all, I was in her salon for about 1 hour 20 minutes. No clock watching or rushed feeling.
Her approach to business is first rate. Her massage technique is top notch, her personality is light and airy (vs. Angel in Quincy who hardly spoke a word), her ability to "finish the job" was excellent all while not asking for any house fee up front or haggling with price. Certainly she is not the young tight "hottie with a body" that you can find in RI or at some aamps but I found her more attractive than most Quincy providers. I was truly impressed. And for those of you mongers reading my prior posts, I rarely give these types of positive comments or offer sizable tips to providers.
Anyhow, I would recommend Aiko for those looking for the complete massage/HE experience.
Massage 9
HE 10
Looks 6
Cleanliness 7
Attitude 9
Damage. 7 plus. 5 (this is my biggest tip I've left thus far but indicates the overall quality and quantity of service)
[QUOTE=Leggeddog]Pulled out my old hard drive[/QUOTE]
Is that what you're calling it these days? <grin>
I guess she photoshopped the ink away, because that's not how I remember her looking.
I am no fan of implants but in D's case, wow! Her body was extremely ripped and her attitude was wonderful. You don't get top tier quality for commodity prices and she was absolutely worth it.
[QUOTE=Diogenesbarrel]Is that what you're calling it these days? <grin>
I guess she photoshopped the ink away, because that's not how I remember her looking.
I am no fan of implants but in D's case, wow! Her body was extremely ripped and her attitude was wonderful. You don't get top tier quality for commodity prices and she was absolutely worth it.[/QUOTE]
I think the ink was on the other side up her arm, my memory isn't what it use to be. LOL