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[QUOTE=JackOfClubs;7571857]As you mentioned, you got 15 minutes with her in the VIP which is excellent as one really can't expect too more than that from any stripper.
Unless she likes you.[/QUOTE]I'm with you. Would go back with her again given the opportunity. She's hot and I agree with your comment.
Hi all, first, thanks for reading. I'll start by saying that I'm new to this. I found this site awhile back when I was thinking of hiring an escort. I didn't end up doing that, but while lurking I read some of the reports about extras inside Detroit strip clubs. The idea of extras from a stripper really enticed me, but unfortunately I live in the SW Michigan / Northern Indiana area where it sometimes feels like we're still stuck in the 1950's. So for that reason I've never had a reason to post. However next week I'll be in the Detroit area Mon-Wed. With this rare opportunity I definitely plan on engaging in this hobby! With that in mind I have some questions for all you veterans.
1. I don't have unlimited money to last for three days, but I'm comfortable. I love red heads. A red head with green eyes and just a hint of freckles would have all the money in my wallet real quick. Other than that I don't really have a type other than wanting the girls to be mid 30's or younger in age. Not looking for BBFS, and probably not looking for BBBJ. I'm mostly going to be able to go during the day shift. With all that in mind, how should I prioritize the clubs based on girls, atmosphere and bang for your buck?
2. I'm confused on the pricing a bit. It seems from what I've been reading on this forum that going to the VIP room in these places ranges from $15 to $30. That can't be right can it? When I've been to non extra strip clubs VIP room trips were like $150 for 30 minutes at minimum. So the math isn't mathing, am I missing something here?
3. As I said I'm new this world. One thing I'm nervous about is bringing something home. Obviously I know condoms condoms condoms, but any other tips on being safe and disease free at the end of this? Things I should look for on the girls? Is it rude to ask the girls directly if they're clean?
4. Related to above. I've seen post from people going bare. There is no way I'd risk bare FS, as much as I might want to. How much of a risk is BBBJ?
5. I think I'll likely be in the camp of while this is transactional, some level of connection will likely make things better for both parties. Unfortunately I can't slow burn this as it's not like I'll be able to come back regularly. So I was wondering what do you guys do or talk about to start building a bit of connection before going to the VIP?
6. Any girls that you lot recommend I try to find?
[QUOTE=Maf7891;7572359]With all that in mind, how should I prioritize the clubs based on girls, atmosphere and bang for your buck?[/QUOTE]1. I'd go to BT's day shift, or Silver Cricket (SC). With BT's being the higher end of the two. YMMV, that's just my preference and comfort zone.
2. VIP is the cost to the house for the room. BT's $20, SC $10 last I was there. You negotiate services and such at the table or bar before you go back. Make sure to clarify pay at the end, not before services are rendered. You might be mixing up the two.
3. Beyond covered, there's still some risk. You can have guys that go hundreds of times bare and get nothing, and some unlucky guy that gets something covered first time. You've got to make you're own call. I wouldn't bother asking the provider directly. She has no incentive to be truthful assuming she has something and knows it. She can also answer sincerely that she doesn't and just doesn't realize it. Waste of time. If you're that risk averse you need to carefully consider playing in this space.
3. There's still risk with BBBJ to lots of different things. You're better off talking to WebMD to get into transmission statistics. I've gone both ways. So far, so good as far as I know. Covered isn't bad, was way better than I thought, you can finish in their mouth easier. They don't all swallow. I've only had one do that, God love her.
5. I think you're overthinking this, but that's understandable. We were all new once. When you're approached, she will start off the talking almost always. Just go with the flow and bullshit with her. Go from there. If you click, great! If not, you probably won't in the VIP.
6. I can recommend Alana or Demoinic at BT's. Devin is super cute in a conventional way, but tends to quote much higher prices. If you're older and feel like you 'still got it', she can be fun.
If I had to recommend one poster here to search for pearls of wisdom it's Marlboro Mex. Look up his posts and threads over the last couple of years regarding do's and don't. Do that and you're as well prepared as you can be without an experienced wing man. Seriously.
The other thing I'd say is don't expect to just find someone matching your description. The provider pool is what it is. You work with what you have, or try a different establishment. Keep your mind on your budget and risk tolerance. Negotiate at the table. Pay at the end, and don't play games.
[QUOTE=Maf7891;7572359]Hi all, first, thanks for reading. I'll start by saying that I'm new to this. I found this site awhile back when I was thinking of hiring an escort. I didn't end up doing that, but while lurking I read some of the reports about extras inside Detroit strip clubs. The idea of extras from a stripper really enticed me, but unfortunately I live in the SW Michigan / Northern Indiana area where it sometimes feels like we're still stuck in the 1950's. So for that reason I've never had a reason to post. However next week I'll be in the Detroit area Mon-Wed. With this rare opportunity I definitely plan on engaging in this hobby! With that in mind I have some questions for all you veterans.
1. I don't have unlimited money to last for three days, but I'm comfortable. I love red heads. A red head with green eyes and just a hint of freckles would have all the money in my wallet real quick. Other than that I don't really have a type other than wanting the girls to be mid 30's or younger in age. Not looking for BBFS, and probably not looking for BBBJ. I'm mostly going to be able to go during the day shift. With all that in mind, how should I prioritize the clubs based on girls, atmosphere and bang for your buck?
2. I'm confused on the pricing a bit. It seems from what I've been reading on this forum that going to the VIP room in these places ranges from $15 to $30. That can't be right can it? When I've been to non extra strip clubs VIP room trips were like $150 for 30 minutes at minimum. So the math isn't mathing, am I missing something here?[/QUOTE]They're talking about the fee to the bouncer for going in back, typically $20 or less, sometimes a one time fee for the night & sometimes each time.
The actual act with the dancer is more likely to be $300 or less.
Uglier / thicker girls can be more easily bartered down.
Bring yourself a little thing of alcohol wipes to use on yourself after the dances.
[QUOTE=Heisenberg5834;7570782]
I am one of the types who will spend 15-20 minutes with a dancer talking before going back, maybe having a drink just to get the vibe. Trying to avoid the scam.
Again, my times have been limited but it's been great so far.[/QUOTE]H5,
You experiences are normal. Anyone can go and have a great time as long as they realize there are scams out there and take the time to avoid them. You talking to the girls is clearly helping with that.
You will eventually get cheated but it won't happen often.
MM.
[QUOTE=FrostBytePing;7571282]This is hardly limited to BTs. FC and LS both have skip fees. Sometimes the girls will just take the hit, but more often than not they'll ask you. I usually pay because if they're getting hit with a skip fee I screwed up my VIP timing.[/QUOTE]FBP,
Several of the dancers are aware of how much time they have between stage sets. After their stage set they will go to the dressing room, smoke a little and then walk around the club. They negotiate to go to the VIP with a short amount of time before they are on stage. The hope is you will finish quickly song that they do less work to get your money.
You can easily avoid this by negotiating with the girl and saying you want to go after her stage set. Most girls understand this is an experienced monger move and the ones who aren't trying to cheat you will be happy about this.
MM.
[QUOTE=Heisenberg5834;7571788]It's strange. I would still go back with her again. They called her name several times to dance and she said she needs to get out there. We were back there 12-15 minutes and admittedly I don't finish easily. She kisses, her pussy is super tight and she has great muscles down there, we did it in several positions after the covered BJ and she did some dirty talk too. If a next time, I would clarify the BBBJ again and the time limit and just go back right after she dances. There was a guy there that day that went back with her for like 30 minutes who told me she was amazing and that he had been with her many times.[/QUOTE]I have never sampled Demonic, she is not really my type.
But she has worked their for years. She has many loyal customers, and I have known several guys who have enjoyed spending time with her.
I have also had other girls complain that she gets so many of the customers who come into the club.
I am surprised to read a less positive report on her.
MM.
[QUOTE=JackOfClubs;7571857]you got 15 minutes with her in the VIP which is excellent as one really can't expect too more than that from any stripper.
[/QUOTE]I do not agree I can almost never finish in 15 minutes. I need 30 to 60 minutes. I can't remember the last time I had on under 15 minute VIP.
MM.
1. I love red heads.
Pick a club don't worry about what you love. See who is dancing and who you find attractive. If no one then change clubs.
2. You have to pay a VIP fee to access the area. Songs are $25 per song if you only get dances. If a girl offers you 3 songs for $100 this is a bad deal, you should get 4 songs.
3. Is it rude to ask the girls directly if they're clean? It is not rude to ask, you can ask anything you want, but if she have 5 STDs she will still tell you she is clean. It is not a doctors office, but tell her you think pussy is pretty and you want to look at hers. Visually inspect, this can happen as part of asking her for a masturbation show. Then smell her pussy. If it doesn't smell good, take the loss and end the session. Let someone else stick their dick in a stinky pussy. I always wear a condom, but that is personal choice, I know many guys who only do bareback, and that is one of the reasons I wear a condom. I sometime select girls who other guys complain she refused bareback.
4. How much of a risk is BBBJ? Risk are well documented for BBBJ and BBFS. Both are reasonably low, but this personal choice. If I am the only guys she is seeing that is fine. A girl in the club sees multiple guys a day so I don't take that risk. No judgement on those who do. Many do it for years.
5. what do you guys do or talk about to start building a bit of connection.
Here is some starter questions for you. Some girls are so jaded building a connection is impossible but most girls are open to it the same way any girl is.
- How long have you worked here.
- What other jobs did you do before dancing.
- What is your ethnicity.
- Did you play any sports.
- Do you have any brothers or sisters.
- What did you do for the COVID year.
- Do you shave your pubic hair, and when is the first time you did that.
- Did your prom date get lucky.
- When is the first time you had sex with another girl.
- What is your tip out tonight.
- How did you choose to dance under the name Veronica.
Maf, have a great time. I would suggest you go into the club if you see a stunning girl then tip her. But more than likely watch the entire rotation dance on stage once. Then select the top 3 or 5 girls tip them and ask them to join you. See which one you like best.
Some girls will approach you, others will jump into the booth or chair next to you. There is generally followed convention in the club that other girls won't approach if a girl is already sitting with you. Some girls try to hog you so that you only have the choice of taking them. You have to be prepared to say please don't sit with me, I am not ready for your company yet. You have to be slightly rude.
Negotiate in the main room, do not let her renegotiate in the VIP.
Be prepared to walk out of the VIP if things go badly. There is never fixing them. Just cut your losses and move on.
If you have a dispute with the girl walk out of the VIP find the attendant and ask him how many songs you were back there. Whatever number he tells you multiply it by $25 and pay her.
Negotiate one price for the entire VIP session like $250 for everything.
I can't stress this one enough. Never never never never never never never pay in advance. It is ok to show the girl you have enough money to pay her, put is back in your pocket. Do not leave it on the table where she can grab it. If you break this rule and pay in advance it is very likely you will be posting on here that some girl cheated you. If that happens don't feel bad, it has happened to all of us.
MM.
[QUOTE=MareloboMex;7572934]I have never sampled Demonic, she is not really my type.
But she has worked their for years. She has many loyal customers, and I have known several guys who have enjoyed spending time with her.
I have also had other girls complain that she gets so many of the customers who come into the club.
I am surprised to read a less positive report on her.
MM.[/QUOTE]MM, appreciate what you say here and in two other posts. My next VIP after that time was right after the dancer's set and we talked specifically about 30 minutes and what would go on during the session. I personally need more than 15 minutes.
I think if I did a better job with Demonic and went back after she danced it would have been great. I don't think she was trying to scam me. I would try her again because of that, and do better on my side.
Maf7891:
Lot's of fantastic advice particularly in MM's message here and the others. I only just started contributing in the past few weeks and lurked for several years. I will say in this forum, simply read the most recent 10 pages or roughly the last 2 months of posts. You will find MM's advice below and also many posts on which clubs, day or night, and which girls. Literally make note of the girls who got positive mentions in the past 2 months, just in case they are at the club you choose.
Henry's and Bogarts are the cheapest and typically lower end.
Silver Criket is a step up from those two.
BT's likely another step up.
Landing Strip and Flight Club are typically considered upper tier and more money.
I don't have a ton of experience but I prefer daytime much better than night. More of a buyers market and I think easier to get what you want. I think BT's has been good for me on days, but my limited times at Criket, Bogarts and Henry's haven't been good. Others have had luck at those three places however, and I'm sure they have more experience going to all of these places.
Good luck! Post your experiences after.
[QUOTE=MareloboMex;7572968]1. I love red heads.
Pick a club don't worry about what you love. See who is dancing and who you find attractive. If no one then change clubs.
2. You have to pay a VIP fee to access the area. Songs are $25 per song if you only get dances. If a girl offers you 3 songs for $100 this is a bad deal, you should get 4 songs.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MareloboMex;7572968]1. I love red heads.
Pick a club don't worry about what you love. See who is dancing and who you find attractive. If no one then change clubs.
2. You have to pay a VIP fee to access the area. Songs are $25 per song if you only get dances. If a girl offers you 3 songs for $100 this is a bad deal, you should get 4 songs.
3. Is it rude to ask the girls directly if they're clean? It is not rude to ask, you can ask anything you want, but if she have 5 STDs she will still tell you she is clean. It is not a doctors office, but tell her you think pussy is pretty and you want to look at hers. Visually inspect, this can happen as part of asking her for a masturbation show. Then smell her pussy. If it doesn't smell good, take the loss and end the session. Let someone else stick their dick in a stinky pussy. I always wear a condom, but that is personal choice, I know many guys who only do bareback, and that is one of the reasons I wear a condom. I sometime select girls who other guys complain she refused bareback.
4. How much of a risk is BBBJ? Risk are well documented for BBBJ and BBFS. Both are reasonably low, but this personal choice. If I am the only guys she is seeing that is fine. A girl in the club sees multiple guys a day so I don't take that risk. No judgement on those who do. Many do it for years.
5. what do you guys do or talk about to start building a bit of connection.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this, and the others who have commented. I'm excited to see what adventures next week brings!
Will be back in town for a full Monday in a couple weeks. I was curious is Violet still back at LS? Any other white spinners to look for there? Had a weird interaction with a bright red head there last time that said "I don't think you like me" after we had a drink and talked for a while. Was weird ha. Seems all reviews right now at BTs or SC or Harrys. So wasn't sure how LS has been or FC too. Girl I was told to check out at FC last time was there but she had moved to serving but see she might be back dancing from reading a review on here.
So, yesterday I decided to venture out to Henry's for the day shift. Earlier, Diamond (a thick white girl with brunette hair, large breasts, and hips) from Bogart's had texted me to let me know she was working. Last week, she mentioned it might have been her last day because she had a new job. Something came up and her training was canceled for the day, so she ended up going in to work at the club.
I started at Henry's, and it was very slow. There were 7 or 8 dancers working, including a couple I didn't recognize. No Sunflower, no Yesna, and no Kassy, although I did see Riley working. I briefly talked to a thin AA dancer who went by the name of Babyface. Apparently, she typically works at SC but said that Henry's was the first club she called that morning. We just talked but didn't get to the point of negotiating for the back room.
For the person who asked about Riley in a previous post, it looks like she's working more of a swing shift now, around 3–9 or 3–11. So, if you want to see her, try going around 5:30–6:00 pm. If she's not on swing, you'll probably catch her on nights.
Riley didn't stop by like she usually does, but she probably figured it was a waste of time since I'm not interested in head only. I wasn't there long and decided to head over to Bogart's.
Bogart's didn't have a huge crowd, but there were still quite a few customers and dancers. Among them were Diamond, Lindsey (who typically works at Henry's North), Lynn, and Tori. I noticed Lynn on stage when I walked in, and she caught my eye. Lindsey stopped by and talked for a bit before moving on, followed by Diamond coming over to sit with me. Luckily, Tori didn't bother me at all. Without trying to be mean, age has really taken its toll on her.
Diamond and I talked for a while and then went to the back. As always, she provided a satisfying experience. Afterward, I must have spent about an hour talking to Charlie, the door guy for VIP. I've known him since the Henry's South days. He's a super nice guy, and I hadn't seen him in a long time. While we were talking, Lynn stopped by and chatted with us for about five minutes, with Charlie making the introduction.
Admittedly, I find Lynn very attractive. I'd guess she's in her 40's. She's a bleached blonde with hair down to her collarbones, large breasts, a thinner waist, and a very nice ass. She's also very engaging in conversation. While we were talking, I noticed that she has perfect white teeth. After I commented on them, she mentioned that she used to be a dental hygienist but now does construction work. She's noticeably popular, although doesn't work at Bogart's very often. She said she'll be working Friday, and I'm seriously considering going up there to see her.
I don't recall anyone mentioning Lynn on the forums, so any information about her would be welcome. Based on how popular she seems, I'm assuming she provides an excellent experience. Are her rates reasonable? As always, feel free to message me if you're uncomfortable responding publicly.
[QUOTE=Heisenberg5834;7572990]MM, appreciate what you say here and in two other posts. My next VIP after that time was right after the dancer's set and we talked specifically about 30 minutes and what would go on during the session. I personally need more than 15 minutes.
I think if I did a better job with Demonic and went back after she danced it would have been great. I don't think she was trying to scam me. I would try her again because of that, and do better on my side.[/QUOTE]Heisenberg,
Yes, Demonic provides a great experience, and I still believe she is the sexiest dancer at BT's. She has extended our sessions past the time limit, or after she was called to the stage, and I was happy to pay the extra room fee and the stage fee. Anyone who enjoys the VIP room experience with a dancer should experience it with Demonic.