Philly Sugar

[QUOTE=JDRedBull;6537080]If you want to put in the time, she maybe worth it. I met her for coffee. She is very shy and from the looks of her born with money. She did not give off rinser vibes and didn't ask for any money. She did say she doesn't get Intimate right away. She wants the whole dating ritual. I told I would not mind taking her out on a second date. But I did stress to her I don't have a lot of time to wine and dine. She didn't like that answer. She looks like her pics. On the chunky side. Dressed very well. She is looking for long term. She did say she had 1 or 2 arrangements. She actually messaged me recently. Stating that I seem to just want sex and not something long term. We didn't even even get to the gift part. She didn't give of the vide she wants something high. But does give off the impression she been around money and seems to be choosy as to who she is with. So your guess is as good as mine as to compensation. So if someone is a genuine long term SD she is probably a good choice. Also she maybe refrustrated enough to be easier to deal with. Because I was kind of shocked she messaged me like 3 paragraphs on how to come off better. I told her I am little rough around the edges and you would be better with someone with softer hands than me.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information. For the right gal a LT thing is what I look for anyway. It's refreshing that she didn't ask for an appearance fee.

[QUOTE=HenryT458;6536032]She's real. Wants to be paid for a meet and greet. Wants allowance only monthly. Basically looking for 625 ppm. Prefers to talk on snapchat. (so that's a red flag, IMO.) I just won't pay for a meet and greet. If the chick asks for money for that, I'm out. Usually she just wants the meet and greet money. An arrangement will never happen.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/1244094b-65ba-45c9-a910-1d9f432ca7fa[/URL][/QUOTE]Pics are deceiving, willing to bet in person she looks average.

[QUOTE=SdPhilly;6536111]First, it doesn't matter what the cop suspects, it matters what he can get a warrant for. He can't just search your phone because he thinks that's "obviously not your girlfriend or FWB. ".

Second, they could search my phone all day and they will not see me soliciting or accepting solicitation. Pros are smart enough to not do that and in the one or two times I've had an SB connect sex and money in text, I end the conversation. So maybe you're making basic mistakes and creating all of this evidence against yourself, but it's pretty easy to sugar date or see escorts without ever creating this evidence that your phone seems to be full of.[/QUOTE]It's risky. If it got to the point where they could search your phone, they would search through your entire phone. This is sugar dating. You're bound to mention PPM at some point which is a no no.

[QUOTE=Joadt;6536166]I did a MG with Cheeks last month. Upon follow-up to meet and fuck she wanted 600 and she held firm. She's sultry but not for 600 to me.[/QUOTE]I looked at her pics. That's not worth 600.

[QUOTE=Joadt;6536215][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8f247963-aa52-4046-9b56-2aeb0bff50d4[/URL]

Anyone meet with this one? Have plans to MG tomorrow.[/QUOTE]Meh. Good luck. If you can actually fuck that would be nice. I doubt she's going to give it up that easily though. I could be wrong, but we'll see.

[QUOTE=KCesar68;6536381]Dude you are soooo paranoid. Cops can't just go off of hunches and randomly search things especially if you know your rights. Cops must get warrants to search anything and if you're reporting getting robbed with a gun what do you think they're going to even care more about? Yeah they might need evidence for her charge and they might find something through looking at text and SMS but that's on you for being dumb enough to phrase anything as sex for money.[/QUOTE]It's risky. Best to avoid putting yourself in that situation in the first place.

My initial point was that when you're engaged in lawless activity, the best repercussions you have is another form of lawless activity. Engaging in lawless activity and then running to the law when it doesn't turn out in your favor is not a good look. Let's be honest, this is sugar dating here. Not exactly smiled upon in society and still people think pay for play when they see wealthy man with young girl that met off sugar website.

And I would think they could get a warrant to search your phone in that situation. If there's no relationship between you and the girl, and you met off seeking in a hotel room then one could think prostitution was going down, which would be enough to get the warrant, I think. Not 100% sure on that but it seems possible.

[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6537682]Pics are deceiving, willing to bet in person she looks average.

It's risky. If it got to the point where they could search your phone, they would search through your entire phone. This is sugar dating. You're bound to mention PPM at some point which is a no no.

I looked at her pics. That's not worth 600.

Meh. Good luck. If you can actually fuck that would be nice. I doubt she's going to give it up that easily though. I could be wrong, but we'll see.

It's risky. Best to avoid putting yourself in that situation in the first place.

[b]My initial point was that when you're engaged in lawless activity, the best repercussions you have is another form of lawless activity. Engaging in lawless activity and then running to the law when it doesn't turn out in your favor is not a good look. Let's be honest, this is sugar dating here. Not exactly smiled upon in society and still people think pay for play when they see wealthy man with young girl that met off sugar website.

And I would think they could get a warrant to search your phone in that situation. If there's no relationship between you and the girl, and you met off seeking in a hotel room then one could think prostitution was going down, which would be enough to get the warrant, I think. Not 100% sure on that but it seems possible.[/b][/QUOTE]While I agree that cops SHOULD have to get a warrant to search your phone, that misses what is the reality. 90% if the time LE will ASK if they can search your phone and dudes will say yes or not assert their 5th Amendment rights!

LE might say something like, "Oh are you hiding something?" or "It will go easier for you if I search the phone" or "I'm trying to help you out here" some statement that gets the dude off guard and he agrees to a search. Happens all of the time with confessions. LE is trained, mongers are not.

Then again, around Philly it doesn't appear that LE is much concerned with the legalities of things and might just search the phone anyway. THAT is gunna cost you an attorney fee to get that tossed out of court. Then again, perhaps the LE states you permitted the search?

So it is easy to say Cops won't or can't search phone. Point is do the DD needed while Sugar dating and avoid the scammers and rip-off artist. Don't look for retribution or to cancel someone, just chalk it up as "tuition paid" in the school of mongering.

Stay safe!

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6538080]While I agree that cops SHOULD have to get a warrant to search your phone, that misses what is the reality. 90% if the time LE will ASK if they can search your phone and dudes will say yes or not assert their 5th Amendment rights!

LE might say something like, "Oh are you hiding something?" or "It will go easier for you if I search the phone" or "I'm trying to help you out here" some statement that gets the dude off guard and he agrees to a search. Happens all of the time with confessions. LE is trained, mongers are not.

Then again, around Philly it doesn't appear that LE is much concerned with the legalities of things and might just search the phone anyway. THAT is gunna cost you an attorney fee to get that tossed out of court. Then again, perhaps the LE states you permitted the search?

So it is easy to say Cops won't or can't search phone. Point is do the DD needed while Sugar dating and avoid the scammers and rip-off artist. Don't look for retribution or to cancel someone, just chalk it up as "tuition paid" in the school of mongering.

Stay safe![/QUOTE]If you know what you're doing, there should literally be nothing in your phone that is incriminating. If you know what you're doing, you wouldn't hand over your phone if a cop "asks" and this is the real world, not some Libtard dystopia, so the cops are not going to grab your phone from you without permission (which wouldn't do any good if they did since 1) there wouldn't be any evidence on it if you aren't stupid and 2) they wouldn't be able to use that evidence anyway if they didn't have permission to search it). Honestly, if anyone is dumb enough to have evidence on their phone and hand over that phone, they should be arrested so the rest of the world is a safer place with one less stupid person walking around.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6538080]While I agree that cops SHOULD have to get a warrant to search your phone, that misses what is the reality. 90% if the time LE will ASK if they can search your phone and dudes will say yes or not assert their 5th Amendment rights!

LE might say something like, "Oh are you hiding something?" or "It will go easier for you if I search the phone" or "I'm trying to help you out here" some statement that gets the dude off guard and he agrees to a search. Happens all of the time with confessions. LE is trained, mongers are not.

Then again, around Philly it doesn't appear that LE is much concerned with the legalities of things and might just search the phone anyway. THAT is gunna cost you an attorney fee to get that tossed out of court. Then again, perhaps the LE states you permitted the search?

So it is easy to say Cops won't or can't search phone. Point is do the DD needed while Sugar dating and avoid the scammers and rip-off artist. Don't look for retribution or to cancel someone, just chalk it up as "tuition paid" in the school of mongering.

Stay safe![/QUOTE]OK you guys sucked me in!

I'll preface this with the fact that I'm not a lawyer nor have I studied the law. I am also not affiliated with LE. What I enjoy is puzzles, logic, and riddles.

What everyone has focused on has been the Monger's phone. What if the girl offers up her phone? If all the communications seem platonic than she has the rape / self-defense card. If it shows that you did offer her money for sex, well we have more meat on that bone. The wise move is to take the loss and report it to your fellow monger. Karma is a ***** and she'll get what's coming eventually. She may even be doing this because she's been on the other end before. Every one of us can make up the money that was lost in at least a week, some of us in a day. Stay safe and keep it moving!

The awkward phrasing on the profile was the first read flag. It messaged me asking for my Whatsapp was the next. Scammer.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/93f4041a-4169-49b5-a7ae-1ca872af0edc[/URL]

[QUOTE=HenryT458;6538433]The awkward phrasing on the profile was the first read flag. It messaged me asking for my Whatsapp was the next. Scammer.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/93f4041a-4169-49b5-a7ae-1ca872af0edc[/URL][/QUOTE]Ok, I guess I am totally out to lunch here? How does asking for one's Whatsapp constitute a red flag or indicate a scammer? What am I missing?

Seem like it would be ideal to get a girl off site so one could discuss things, whereas certain discussions on the site (sugar) will get you banned.

So is there something new going on?

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6538514]Ok, I guess I am totally out to lunch here? How does asking for one's Whatsapp constitute a red flag or indicate a scammer? What am I missing?

Seem like it would be ideal to get a girl off site so one could discuss things, whereas certain discussions on the site (sugar) will get you banned.

So is there something new going on?[/QUOTE]I don't think asking for a whatsapp is necessarily a red flag either. Maybe he meant she asked for it too fast, and it feels like a setup? Most SBs I feel like want to exchange at least a handful of messages before moving off site. If she's asking to move offsite in the first or second message, it means she's experienced, trying to have quick turnarounds with people in some manner, and wants to discuss something that will get her banned off the site. None are red flags alone, but could be when combined with another.

[QUOTE=RubberDuckyBoston;6538573]I don't think asking for a whatsapp is necessarily a red flag either. Maybe he meant she asked for it too fast, and it feels like a setup? Most SBs I feel like want to exchange at least a handful of messages before moving off site. If she's asking to move offsite in the first or second message, it means she's experienced, trying to have quick turnarounds with people in some manner, and wants to discuss something that will get her banned off the site. None are red flags alone, but could be when combined with another.[/QUOTE]I most certainly view Whatsapp as a red flag. It's the the #1 communication tool used by international scammers and isn't as secure as other communication platforms. If a woman has a phone she can use google voice pretty easily. If she doesn't have a phone, well that's another red flag!

Has anyone seen this young lady. She strikes me as TGTBT but I sent her a message and it seemed like she wanted to meet the same day. That kind of hits me like a pro. I'll see how the communication continues.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f6f595e1-28cc-4b42-a8a9-7e0d7359b6ee[/URL]

I'm also chatting to this one who gave up her number pretty quickly. NJ area code. Has anyone seen her?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6f11851a-3c4e-411e-bd66-ed821c2ed381[/URL]

[QUOTE=RubberDuckyBoston;6538573]I don't think asking for a whatsapp is necessarily a red flag either. Maybe he meant she asked for it too fast, and it feels like a setup? Most SBs I feel like want to exchange at least a handful of messages before moving off site. If she's asking to move offsite in the first or second message, it means she's experienced, trying to have quick turnarounds with people in some manner, and wants to discuss something that will get her banned off the site. None are red flags alone, but could be when combined with another.[/QUOTE]I agree with HenryT458 on this one. Although, it isn't always the case, Whatsapp is known to be used by scammers. A vast majority of young women on the site are iPhone people and they are happy to use Messenger. And the wording of the profile does sound like a standard ESL scam profile. I see these all the time on Tinder.

[QUOTE=Mythbuster;6538810]I'm also chatting to this one who gave up her number pretty quickly. NJ area code. Has anyone seen her?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6f11851a-3c4e-411e-bd66-ed821c2ed381[/URL][/QUOTE]I chatted with her. When she sent me pics they seemed like they are photoshoped. Second she wanted some large amount. 5 $ or more. I blocked her. Let us know the deal.

[QUOTE=Mythbuster;6538810]I'm also chatting to this one who gave up her number pretty quickly. NJ area code. Has anyone seen her?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6f11851a-3c4e-411e-bd66-ed821c2ed381[/URL][/QUOTE]Profile screams fake to me.

[QUOTE=Mythbuster;6538793]I most certainly view Whatsapp as a red flag. It's the the #1 communication tool used by international scammers and isn't as secure as other communication platforms. If a woman has a phone she can use google voice pretty easily. If she doesn't have a phone, well that's another red flag![/QUOTE]In my friendgroup and age bracket (lets say 30-45), I have yet to meet a single person that doesn't have whatsapp since pre-pandemic. Maybe it is used a lot for scams, but it is also ubiquitous among normal people as well, and a completely normal means of communication.