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On that side of town (Winchester) and thought I'd stop in. I've been there many times before. Had a dream about May (my regular not there) for an hour. Massages was about average with a little teasing and brushing against the boys every now and then. On the flip side it was obvious I was interested in some extras. I asked, she smiled and took my pants off the wall,50 for a HJ. NO thanks, she said "finished" and walked out. Definitely will not go back without an appointment.
For a while Mei was my go to place. If you were patient, courteous, and generous, good times could be had. However, my last visit was a good massage and nothing else. Even the teasing was gone. New stable of girls. 100% legit. Still good massages but definitely no extras. Good indication that things are changing is when you notice more male supervision at the spa. These things could be cyclic and when the negative attention on AMPs die down, maybe, some of the extras will return.
[QUOTE=CurrentSit;4191338]Stopped in Mei, got new (to me) lady, said name was Gina. 40's, thin, not bad body. Massage was totally legit, not even slight tease. I hinted by pointing to the package near the end and she refused (nicely), not even the usual DIY offer they try when they don't want to. Massage was only a 6. 5, which combined with my lack of happiness at the end means it's my last visit there.
CS.[/QUOTE]
I have a lady that is very good looking and great body that is thinking about going into the rub business.
My question is since I am not into this "What does a lady do that makes men have a great desire to see her. And what is the normal cost and time given to rubs? Is it like Escorting 30 minute and an hour?
At one time Erica Holloway was interested in this and men even wanted to invest in it and I had a 100 inquires. So what makes rubbing so tantalizing.
I would love some insight into this? The more the better. Then. I can tell this lady what she would need to provide to satisfy her customer base.
[QUOTE=WayWardWind4;4219623]I have a lady that is very good looking and great body that is thinking about going into the rub business.
My question is since I am not into this "What does a lady do that makes men have a great desire to see her. And what is the normal cost and time given to rubs? Is it like Escorting 30 minute and an hour?
At one time Erica Holloway was interested in this and men even wanted to invest in it and I had a 100 inquires. So what makes rubbing so tantalizing.
I would love some insight into this? The more the better. Then. I can tell this lady what she would need to provide to satisfy her customer base.[/QUOTE]It is probably different for each guy, but the reason I like AMPs is that first and foremost, they give an excellent massage. Even if legit, they include the ass area (unlike Western trained masseuses) and it feels amazing. For me, I had many legit massages before a girl did a heavy tease (I. E. , rubbing against balls when rubbing legs while I was laying on my stomach, then more ball grazing and close proximity to dick after the flip). I found it super tantalizing and unexpected. Then, I became hooked on seeking and encouraging more teasing in combination with a good massage until I finally had one cross the line and rub my dick. It was a huge rush, partially because of the building anticipation and uncertainty if it would happen and the forbidden aspect since I was in a supposedly legit parlor. Fast forward to now, I still enjoy the "hunt" in seeking girls to cross the line and have become good at signaling to them what I want, flashing cash, etc. To achieve the happy ending. I have regulars that I know will do it, but I'll also try new ones, kind of like a conquest. If they won't give a happy ending, I still get a great massage and don't feel disappointed.
Since this is how I evolved into enjoying rub and tug, part of the appeal is the unknown of whether it will happen at the end. The subtle tease and a buildup in anticipation of the flip. When I have gone to the providers who do the rubs (I. E, Alex, Kelly B, Chelle, etc), I honestly don't enjoy it nearly as much. First, the massage isn't good quality. Second, they don't tease much at all before the time for tugging (which I find bizarre since they're whole point is to be a sensual massage), and lastly, there's no mystery of how it will end. It's more like a transaction and I feel like I might as well just go to a provider, slap on a condom and fuck them. It's just a very, very different experience.
I have no idea if my perspective is common, or if it is helpful, but my advise to a girl would be to actually try to do a decent massage (couple of my previous examples were trained CMT, but they don't try very hard), and MOST IMPORTANTLY, tease the hell out of the client. Early and often. Makes it easier for them at the end if you're aroused than starting from us not being turned on. Also, don't just grab it and yank. Learn to rub a cock and balls, pay attention to the guys response and even ask how they like it. Lastly, realize it's sensitive afterwards if they help clean up. Had one Asian treat my balls like she was cleaning the oven. With plenty of elbow grease, really not pleasant after shooting a load!
I also go to providers, not only rub and tug. It scratches a different itch. Hope this feedback is what you were looking for.
CS.
WW4 - I also enjoy a good relaxing massage with a happy ending, although they are hard to come by these days. The responses you receive may vary from client to client but here are my expectations of a rub.
1. Having a massage table is a really nice to have, but not a must for me.
2. Know how to provide a legit massage, and add some teasing to the boys.
3. Be dressed up, look sexy af will drive a better tip and repeat business. I've had a massage in the past where they look like they just crawled out of bed.
4. Don't be afraid to let your clients roam while at the same time, keep your own boundaries. As always the more heated the more people will return.
5. Always allow the happy ending, after all we are there to relax.
Typical massage location charge $1/ min (60 min=$60), however if she is at a private location and willing to do the items above she can request a little more than that. My suggestion and to be competitive (and to build clientele) would be to charge the $1/ min and $40 for HE.
I'm sure I'm missing some items and not everyone will agree with my list. Let me know if she decides to jump in, I'll give her a chance and report back.
[QUOTE=WayWardWind4;4219623]I have a lady that is very good looking and great body that is thinking about going into the rub business.
My question is since I am not into this "What does a lady do that makes men have a great desire to see her. And what is the normal cost and time given to rubs? Is it like Escorting 30 minute and an hour?
At one time Erica Holloway was interested in this and men even wanted to invest in it and I had a 100 inquires. So what makes rubbing so tantalizing.
I would love some insight into this? The more the better. Then. I can tell this lady what she would need to provide to satisfy her customer base.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LvrBoy76;4208661]Will repeat essential lux massage. Jordan lane. Jazz incense. Great hands.[/QUOTE]Where is the place? Who should I request? PM me.
Agree 100%! Well said! Maybe a lady will take note.
[QUOTE=CurrentSit;4219704]It is probably different for each guy, but the reason I like AMPs is that first and foremost, they give an excellent massage. Even if legit, they include the ass area (unlike Western trained masseuses) and it feels amazing. For me, I had many legit massages before a girl did a heavy tease (I. E. , rubbing against balls when rubbing legs while I was laying on my stomach, then more ball grazing and close proximity to dick after the flip). I found it super tantalizing and unexpected. Then, I became hooked on seeking and encouraging more teasing in combination with a good massage until I finally had one cross the line and rub my dick. It was a huge rush, partially because of the building anticipation and uncertainty if it would happen and the forbidden aspect since I was in a supposedly legit parlor. Fast forward to now, I still enjoy the "hunt" in seeking girls to cross the line and have become good at signaling to them what I want, flashing cash, etc. To achieve the happy ending. I have regulars that I know will do it, but I'll also try new ones, kind of like a conquest. If they won't give a happy ending, I still get a great massage and don't feel disappointed.
Since this is how I evolved into enjoying rub and tug, part of the appeal is the unknown of whether it will happen at the end. The subtle tease and a buildup in anticipation of the flip. When I have gone to the providers who do the rubs (I. E, Alex, Kelly B, Chelle, etc), I honestly don't enjoy it nearly as much. First, the massage isn't good quality. Second, they don't tease much at all before the time for tugging (which I find bizarre since they're whole point is to be a sensual massage), and lastly, there's no mystery of how it will end. It's more like a transaction and I feel like I might as well just go to a provider, slap on a condom and fuck them. It's just a very, very different experience.
I have no idea if my perspective is common, or if it is helpful, but my advise to a girl would be to actually try to do a decent massage (couple of my previous examples were trained CMT, but they don't try very hard), and MOST IMPORTANTLY, tease the hell out of the client. Early and often. Makes it easier for them at the end if you're aroused than starting from us not being turned on. Also, don't just grab it and yank. Learn to rub a cock and balls, pay attention to the guys response and even ask how they like it. Lastly, realize it's sensitive afterwards if they help clean up. Had one Asian treat my balls like she was cleaning the oven. With plenty of elbow grease, really not pleasant after shooting a load!
I also go to providers, not only rub and tug. It scratches a different itch. Hope this feedback is what you were looking for.
CS.[/QUOTE]
It's the teasing and the wondering will she or won't she. Also, if one goes the table shower route it just makes for a lot of pampering. I too have tried some of the other local providers (not AMPs) and they were very mechanical8. Once even, after having a great massage from a local gal, and having made it known I was interested in more next time, I went back and was surprised to find that there was no massage, none, zilch, just roll over and do me mentality. I never went back.
Also, if your friend wants to test the waters I would ne happy to be her guinea pig (of course I will pay too) You have steered me to some great gals so I am sure she is a knockout. If she is willing, please pm me.
You know the massage doesn't have to be about penetration either depending on her likes and dislikes. I once had an asian lady do what I call near-sex. She ended up doing a full nude lap dance of sorts in me and used her bald kitty to rub almost every inch of my body. One of my favorites of all time and she got off to that way.
[QUOTE=WayWardWind4;4219623]I have a lady that is very good looking and great body that is thinking about going into the rub business.
My question is since I am not into this "What does a lady do that makes men have a great desire to see her. And what is the normal cost and time given to rubs? Is it like Escorting 30 minute and an hour?
At one time Erica Holloway was interested in this and men even wanted to invest in it and I had a 100 inquires. So what makes rubbing so tantalizing.
I would love some insight into this? The more the better. Then. I can tell this lady what she would need to provide to satisfy her customer base.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WayWardWind4;4219623]I have a lady that is very good looking and great body that is thinking about going into the rub business.
My question is since I am not into this "What does a lady do that makes men have a great desire to see her. And what is the normal cost and time given to rubs? Is it like Escorting 30 minute and an hour?
At one time Erica Holloway was interested in this and men even wanted to invest in it and I had a 100 inquires. So what makes rubbing so tantalizing.
I would love some insight into this? The more the better. Then. I can tell this lady what she would need to provide to satisfy her customer base.[/QUOTE]Agree with CS and WE81's responses completely. I've not been in this area too long. Nearly 4 years and the 'scene' has changed drastically since then. This area has a lot of AMPs but not a lot of options. I, like CS like the AMP scene over incalls and for exactly the same reasons. Anticipation when the girl understands the client can be incredible. I've had girls who not only gave a great massage but throughout the session she would switch to slow and sensual and then back. By the flip I am trying to just hold on.
The places I will keep returning to are those where I can feel totally relaxed. I never bother with the cover when I undress and lay down, I always let my girl decide. I also prefer a thin sheet over towels. I totally agree that the ladies need to dress well. Six layers may discourage roaming but it is a real turn-of. My favorites here and elsewhere are those where it's clear there might not be a lot of barriers to roaming hands. Whether they offer a HE or more. Some light to heavy teasing goes a long way to wanting to return. If nothing more than to see if more can be found with repeat visits. I really don't like DIY. But if that is offered. Ladies. Don't demand a big tip. As a matter of fact that is one of my big criticisms with this area right now. I don't mind tipping well but DIY isn't a HE and neither should warrant BJ level tips! We will tip well when we receive good service. Even if it doesn't end with a traditional handshake. Greed is one thing that will keep me from coming back. There are several places I visit in another State that offer a great massage and benefits all with no-haggling over the tips. Consequently, most of us tip fairly but well. Ladies here need to realize that we will be happy to part with the cash but only if we experience 'value' on the table.
I recently returned from a major Metropolitan City. Two different styles of a m p. One is a great massage with a mediocre he. The other was a crappy massage with full service. I'm a true fan of a mixture of the two. A decent massage with something more. That being said I've been playing in the hobby for almost 25 years and that experience is a MacGuffin. It would be nice if these ladies trained in what we truly want.
[QUOTE=BeachBum15;4221748]Agree with CS and WE81's responses completely. I've not been in this area too long. Nearly 4 years and the 'scene' has changed drastically since then. This area has a lot of AMPs but not a lot of options. I, like CS like the AMP scene over incalls and for exactly the same reasons. Anticipation when the girl understands the client can be incredible. I've had girls who not only gave a great massage but throughout the session she would switch to slow and sensual and then back. By the flip I am trying to just hold on.
The places I will keep returning to are those where I can feel totally relaxed. I never bother with the cover when I undress and lay down, I always let my girl decide. I also prefer a thin sheet over towels. I totally agree that the ladies need to dress well. Six layers may discourage roaming but it is a real turn-of. My favorites here and elsewhere are those where it's clear there might not be a lot of barriers to roaming hands. Whether they offer a HE or more. Some light to heavy teasing goes a long way to wanting to return. If nothing more than to see if more can be found with repeat visits. I really don't like DIY. But if that is offered. Ladies. Don't demand a big tip. As a matter of fact that is one of my big criticisms with this area right now. I don't mind tipping well but DIY isn't a HE and neither should warrant BJ level tips! We will tip well when we receive good service. Even if it doesn't end with a traditional handshake. Greed is one thing that will keep me from coming back. There are several places I visit in another State that offer a great massage and benefits all with no-haggling over the tips. Consequently, most of us tip fairly but well. Ladies here need to realize that we will be happy to part with the cash but only if we experience 'value' on the table.[/QUOTE]
Others have posted great responses, all valid. But here are some additional things important to me, some tips I'd give massage providers.
Actually try to do a good massage. If you are not LMT trained, that's ok, but you should at least try to do a good massage. Some guys are only there for the ending, so maybe its not important to some, but you'll have better success if its a skill you have for the guys that do enjoy it. There are loads of books and videos about massage techniques (including handjobs, or lingam massage). Study up. And when it comes time to give someone a massage, pay attention to their reactions, or even ask for their feedback.
Being serious about it also means (like others have said), have a massage table, dress up, be "distraction free" (no phone interruptions, etc), have a clean setting. And also important, keep a good supply of clean towels. I've been places where you can tell a towel has already been squashed flat by someone else, and that the idea of me laying naked on the same thing where they just laid naked is just gross. Always always have a fresh towel or table cover (or both) for each customer. I stopped going to multiple local providers because of this.
[QUOTE=WayWardWind4;4219623]I have a lady that is very good looking and great body that is thinking about going into the rub business.
My question is since I am not into this "What does a lady do that makes men have a great desire to see her. And what is the normal cost and time given to rubs? Is it like Escorting 30 minute and an hour?
At one time Erica Holloway was interested in this and men even wanted to invest in it and I had a 100 inquires. So what makes rubbing so tantalizing.
I would love some insight into this? The more the better. Then. I can tell this lady what she would need to provide to satisfy her customer base.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BadGoonie3;4223651]Others have posted great responses, all valid. But here are some additional things important to me, some tips I'd give massage providers.
Actually try to do a good massage. If you are not LMT trained, that's ok, but you should at least try to do a good massage. Some guys are only there for the ending, so maybe its not important to some, but you'll have better success if its a skill you have for the guys that do enjoy it. There are loads of books and videos about massage techniques (including handjobs, or lingam massage). Study up. And when it comes time to give someone a massage, pay attention to their reactions, or even ask for their feedback.
Being serious about it also means (like others have said), have a massage table, dress up, be "distraction free" (no phone interruptions, etc), have a clean setting. And also important, keep a good supply of clean towels. I've been places where you can tell a towel has already been squashed flat by someone else, and that the idea of me laying naked on the same thing where they just laid naked is just gross. Always always have a fresh towel or table cover (or both) for each customer. I stopped going to multiple local providers because of this.[/QUOTE]Last one. Do not talk a lot. If the person being massaged is not responding, then he is enjoying it and would prefer you not keep talking.
- DB.
[QUOTE=BlueSteel90;4211727]Where does she work? Does she have an extras?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the kind words. Always love meeting new people and making them happy.
Been awhile since anyone posted an AMP report.
Went to M&why and met with Lisa. Excellent massage. Would highly recommend. Thought Health Massage gave the best massage but I think I have to now rank Health in 2nd place.
Other recents, Foot Massage on South Parkway was uninspiring. Did not enjoy Rose Massage, had to wait a long time for massage to begin and then they try to upsell you on time. Not impressed with Wellness Massage in South Huntsville. You don't get a private room, only drapes separate you from others getting massages in a larger room. Foot Massage in Madison has turned over and is very mediocre. Best Massage I would probably rate third, but they are demanding of a tip and have you pay up front. Also, no doors on rooms, only curtains. Mei Massage still smells of Korean Food, older ladies, but now no extras. Haven't partaken of Monterey Massage in a long time so no report from there.
Robert Kraft has ruined all the AMPs for a while. Thankfully, you can still get a good massage at M&why and Health Massage.
MM.