Philly Sugar

[QUOTE=BurbsMonger;6535356]I will chime in with my two cents. I have been in this hobby for over 20 years and have had 1 cash and dash and one almost robbery. The cash and dash was early in my hobby years when I thought I knew the hobby rules. Met a young lady at an apartment complex, she says she needs the money to pay rent blah blah blah, I think with the wrong head and I am out 150 bucks. Fast forward a few months, find same girl posting. Communicate with her via a different number, agree to meet at same complex but this time I arrive an hour early with 3 of my friends who also hobby. Long story short, she is out her phone, we cut up her I'd, credit cards, and I get back my 150 plus burn her other cash. Yes I know this was stupid, but I was pissed and thought what was she going to do. It could have gone a lot worse for me but I wasn't thinking. I wanted revenge, but as I have gotten more experienced this was the wrong way to go about it IMHO.

The almost robbery was a young lady from SA. Agreed to meet at a local hospital. I arrived on time, first mistake, she arrived before me but was not in or near her car, first red flag. I pick her up, second mistake and we find a spot. We go to the backseat, she doesn't start to undress, red flag number 2, I stay alert and notice a cream colored BMW drifting our way, red flag number 3. I grab my mace and blackjack and notice 2 guys jump out of the BMW and run towards my car. I mace the girl and jump into the drivers seat and she somehow gets out of the backseat. I lock my car and drive off as the guys bang on my trunk. I escape. I drive by the BMW and take a picture of the license plate. My friend who hobbies is ex-LE who was a private investigator. He is able to get me an address and name of the owner. I text the girl with a burner number and let her know that I know who they are and where they live. I tell her to go look at the note on her windshield. The note says something along the lines of, my turn see if you can find what we did to your car, your house, and your other car. We did nothing but wanted to get in their heads. I also subscribed them to a shit ton of spam mail, text blasts, and posted her number everywhere about being a scammer.

My point is, follow the rules and that will give you the best chance to not fall prey to all of the stupid shit some of these ladies try to pull. Sometimes you can get revenge but be smart about it. A lot of the times it will a lesson learned that needs to be shared so we all learn.

Be Safe.[/QUOTE]That sounds just like some shit I would if I was robbed or scammed. I do try to calm myself down and think things thou. Be more careful etc. I do try to let minor things go when stuff happens. Let's just say I am a nice guy, but been known to go overboard when negative things happen to me. I would definitely be coming up with something with this chick who's robbing people. If that shit happen to me. I really don't have nothing to lose type of mentally. But at the same time. Shit can go sideways too. Unless you have people backing you. You will less of a chance to go sideway. If not I would let it go. But we definitely need to keep track of her. I would help if I knew you guys were strong. Like strong minded and back each other.

[QUOTE=SdPhilly;6535344]I have to disagree with the "if you call the cops on her, you're going to jail yourself" argument. Sure, if you call up the cops and say "I paid this chick for sex and she pulled a gun" then you are going to get arrested, but if you follow some basic common sense, there's no way you're getting arrested. They need to have *evidence* that you agreed to pay for sex. Some girl's word (especially a girl who just got arrested for armed robbery) is not going to get a guy convicted, and the cops aren't going to waste their time.

In general, if you have a platonic first date with an SB, there is zero way they could win a prostitution case against you. It just doesn't work that way. Having a gun is it's own evidence.[/QUOTE]Did you really just say that?

[B]Armed robbery is illegal, sugar dating is not [/B]

Go ahead and monger with that perspective, it's a free country!

The best advice on how to stay safe has been proffered here. Everyone is free to ignore that advice or think it doesn't apply to you!

Yes, a Meet & Greet (M&G) is absolutely essential first step in Sugar Dating.

I mean one can rationalize away most anything, or come up with scenarios that don't fit.

Point is that when confronted by LE most dudes aren't able to exercise their 5th amendment rights and will blab out all of the details. Look, you are up against a foe that is TRAINED to extract confessions from people, do you think you can beat them at their game? Hubris?

What if her phone is taken into custody and searched for how you met? I mean IF one is omnipotent enough to think of all of the scenarios or how a police investigation will occur or unfold, then go ahead and ignore the advice. Did you discuss "details" of Sugar Dating via text? If so there is a "record" of your activity.

But to think Sugar Dating is anything but Prostitution is absolutely crazy. Anyone who thinks that is fooling themself. Approaches to Sugar Dating should, IMHO, carry the same OpSec and dating an escort, etc.

Look, many approach SBs as safe, and generally it CAN be. But it is still not acceptable behavior and as such one should use appropriate OpSec!

[QUOTE=SdPhilly;6535344]I have to disagree with the "if you call the cops on her, you're going to jail yourself" argument. Sure, if you call up the cops and say "I paid this chick for sex and she pulled a gun" then you are going to get arrested, but if you follow some basic common sense, there's no way you're getting arrested. They need to have *evidence* that you agreed to pay for sex. Some girl's word (especially a girl who just got arrested for armed robbery) is not going to get a guy convicted, and the cops aren't going to waste their time.

In general, if you have a platonic first date with an SB, there is zero way they could win a prostitution case against you. It just doesn't work that way. Having a gun is it's own evidence.[/QUOTE]They could get a reason to search your phone if they suspect prostitution was occurring between you two, which they will suspect because you are meeting in a hotel room and she obviously is not involved with you romantically in a girlfriend, fwb, or wife sense.

Once they search your phone they'll see all your sugar conversations with girls through text and on the site. All the times you negotiated your PPM and basically all of your john-like activities.

[QUOTE=KCesar68;6527378]I talked to this one for quite some time cause our schedules weren't really working out. That's the issue when you've got 3 kids I guess (her, not me). She wants to meet up ASAP and can drive or meet you at a hotel but that's not a good thing. Basically she wants to see how much money she can get out of you for as little fun as possible. With her it's how can she maximize her gains while giving as little as possible. I offered hosting but she said the distance and drive meant she spent so much time lost so she'd have to see me for less time. Then we decided on a hotel on dayuse closer to her and she basically treats you like a pro. Wants to limit the time to a certain number of hours, just one pop, "(she) might not even last 2 hours." Good fking grief. Why do this if you hate it so much. I blocked her after that nonsense. I've meet with escorts who were a million times sweeter and more playful than this. A shame cause she has a cute gnd MILF look to her. She wasn't even reasonable about the amount. 4 bennis. I can do that much for someone really special and someone who is going to enjoy it, though I'd rather do 3. $$ but she looked like a hot semi-young mom so why not right? Nah. She does a great job of talking you out of any fun. You'll get sex, most likely, but I could play with myself for a more pleasurable and free time.[/QUOTE]A couple years ago I'd get road head from her for $80 in a local park. She's nice enough but from old pics has baby damage. Also, has a raspy smokers type voice though she doesn't smoke from what I can tell. I believe she is a recovering addict.

She's real. Wants to be paid for a meet and greet. Wants allowance only monthly. Basically looking for 625 ppm. Prefers to talk on snapchat. (so that's a red flag, IMO.) I just won't pay for a meet and greet. If the chick asks for money for that, I'm out. Usually she just wants the meet and greet money. An arrangement will never happen.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/1244094b-65ba-45c9-a910-1d9f432ca7fa[/URL]

[QUOTE=HenryT458;6519798]She read my message but never replied. There is a high percentage correlation between women who mention good conversation in their profile and those looking only for a platonic situation. Best of luck to you Epic. She looks cute. Hopefully she's a rare one willing to share.[/QUOTE]Same here. Reads message but no reply.

[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6536005]They could get a reason to search your phone if they suspect prostitution was occurring between you two, which they will suspect because you are meeting in a hotel room and she obviously is not involved with you romantically in a girlfriend, fwb, or wife sense.

Once they search your phone they'll see all your sugar conversations with girls through text and on the site. All the times you negotiated your PPM and basically all of your john-like activities.[/QUOTE]First, it doesn't matter what the cop suspects, it matters what he can get a warrant for. He can't just search your phone because he thinks that's "obviously not your girlfriend or FWB. ".

Second, they could search my phone all day and they will not see me soliciting or accepting solicitation. Pros are smart enough to not do that and in the one or two times I've had an SB connect sex and money in text, I end the conversation. So maybe you're making basic mistakes and creating all of this evidence against yourself, but it's pretty easy to sugar date or see escorts without ever creating this evidence that your phone seems to be full of.

[QUOTE=Mythbuster;6413152][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/61434d52-df53-4e19-98c8-0f9ecd8dd701?_cf_ref=aHR0cDovL3d3dy51c2FzZXhndWlkZS5ubC8%3D[/URL][/QUOTE]She started at around 19 on SA then made the movo to pro with a local agency who charged 400 for her time. I'm guessing her slice was 250. Had a falling out with the boss so back to SA though she hasn't logged on in quite a while.

[QUOTE=EpicSD;6346095][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f6f595e1-28cc-4b42-a8a9-7e0d7359b6ee[/URL]

Real SugarBaby1.

Texted with her yesterday. Wants 6 $ and wants to meet immediately, super aggressive. I knew I wouldn't see her but got as much info as I could. Since I "seemed really nice" she would just come right to my place. I think bb is on the table. I'd almost never be willing to shell out that cash for an escort.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/75abbb71-515e-4995-9af5-c6e3369ae397[/URL]

Cheeks.

She hasn't been on for a minute but when she comes back hit her up. Really fun BBCIP was given. She's comfy in the sack and very talented. Submissive..[/QUOTE]I did a MG with Cheeks last month. Upon follow-up to meet and fuck she wanted 600 and she held firm. She's sultry but not for 600 to me.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8308b665-c58b-4200-a5c6-5ef9c8018916[/URL]

Met this gal for a coffee MG a couple weeks ago. Nice boobs, thin gal. Unfortunately, she's got fucked up teeth. When we followed up to meet again I asked for her price; no reply. Pretty sure SA is her main source of income. Music isn't covering the bills so may be very easy to negotiate with. She was back in touch yesterday. I just can't get past the bad teeth. Sugar fucking for me includes lots of kissing.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8f247963-aa52-4046-9b56-2aeb0bff50d4[/URL]

Anyone meet with this one? Have plans to MG tomorrow.

[QUOTE=Joadt;6536027]A couple years ago I'd get road head from her for $80 in a local park. She's nice enough but from old pics has baby damage. Also, has a raspy smokers type voice though she doesn't smoke from what I can tell. I believe she is a recovering addict.[/QUOTE]Fatfishing isn't going to help anyone. If her pics are old, I'm going to just pass. Plus, she's not "nice enough" or looking to show you a good time. Just wanted to get money out of me so she could be out the door as quickly as she could. All the texts we had were basically "hurry up and meet me cause I'm busy with all my kids. " Decided I wasn't going to put up with that crap so I just didn't meet and then she starts to try and scare me that she knows I had run-ins with the law. ROFL. You guys want to spend money on a petty cnt like that, whatever. I'd rather get a nice hour from a massage parlor at half the cost she wanted. (plus she wanted me to get a hotel).

[QUOTE=HenryT458;6536032]She's real. Wants to be paid for a meet and greet. Wants allowance only monthly. Basically looking for 625 ppm. Prefers to talk on snapchat. (so that's a red flag, IMO.) I just won't pay for a meet and greet. If the chick asks for money for that, I'm out. Usually she just wants the meet and greet money. An arrangement will never happen.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/1244094b-65ba-45c9-a910-1d9f432ca7fa[/URL][/QUOTE]Spoke to her on snapchat as well. I fucking HATE IT when they want to talk on that social media piece of garbage. She wanted 1 k for a meet. Nope. Some escorts will do about 700-800 for just as hot. Waste of money either way.

[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6536005]They could get a reason to search your phone if they suspect prostitution was occurring between you two, which they will suspect because you are meeting in a hotel room and she obviously is not involved with you romantically in a girlfriend, fwb, or wife sense.

Once they search your phone they'll see all your sugar conversations with girls through text and on the site. All the times you negotiated your PPM and basically all of your john-like activities.[/QUOTE]Dude you are soooo paranoid. Cops can't just go off of hunches and randomly search things especially if you know your rights. Cops must get warrants to search anything and if you're reporting getting robbed with a gun what do you think they're going to even care more about? Yeah they might need evidence for her charge and they might find something through looking at text and SMS but that's on you for being dumb enough to phrase anything as sex for money.

[QUOTE=KCesar68;6536381]Dude you are soooo paranoid. Cops can't just go off of hunches and randomly search things especially if you know your rights. Cops must get warrants to search anything and if you're reporting getting robbed with a gun what do you think they're going to even care more about? Yeah they might need evidence for her charge and they might find something through looking at text and SMS but that's on you for being dumb enough to phrase anything as sex for money.[/QUOTE]The back and forth conjecture about use of firearms while mongering has been discussed ad-nauseum over the past few days. Forum members who are trying to get information on the topic should have enough to develop their own procedures now. You should be researching via non-prostitution resources. Try reading articles written by experts in the field of concealed carry, not cock slingers.

Anyone who has real-life encounters with LEO after using a firearm during encounter with a SW, escort or SB? I'd be interested to hear their thoughts in hindsight. Probably a very hard road that could have been avoided.

[QUOTE=Joadt;6536215][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8f247963-aa52-4046-9b56-2aeb0bff50d4[/URL]

Anyone meet with this one? Have plans to MG tomorrow.[/QUOTE]If you want to put in the time, she maybe worth it. I met her for coffee. She is very shy and from the looks of her born with money. She did not give off rinser vibes and didn't ask for any money. She did say she doesn't get Intimate right away. She wants the whole dating ritual. I told I would not mind taking her out on a second date. But I did stress to her I don't have a lot of time to wine and dine. She didn't like that answer. She looks like her pics. On the chunky side. Dressed very well. She is looking for long term. She did say she had 1 or 2 arrangements. She actually messaged me recently. Stating that I seem to just want sex and not something long term. We didn't even even get to the gift part. She didn't give of the vide she wants something high. But does give off the impression she been around money and seems to be choosy as to who she is with. So your guess is as good as mine as to compensation. So if someone is a genuine long term SD she is probably a good choice. Also she maybe refrustrated enough to be easier to deal with. Because I was kind of shocked she messaged me like 3 paragraphs on how to come off better. I told her I am little rough around the edges and you would be better with someone with softer hands than me.