"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Jwredskins55;2018110]Hey gents. I've been a longtime viewer of this thread and I love it. Cheers to you all. I need a little help. I've got this amazing beautiful young thing that I used to play with back in the day. We've kept in touch over the years and I e been itching to get back in between if you know what I mean. She has refused me mainly bc I'm now in a relationship even though she would love to. In one of our recent convos she was complaining about her job and how much she works like she has in the past. I took this as an opportunity to mention a sb / sd arrangement. It took her completely by surprise and she said she would never do something like that and that she wouldn't want to feel like a hooker. But after some gentle talk about how I want to help her out and it would make me happy to know she's not killing herself for no money I think I've got her on the hook. Now I've never done this before as far as a long term sb. Long time longer but never this. Any tips on how to feel her in?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jwredskins55;2018161]I was her dominant and she was my submissive so it was a very sexual relationship. Definitely not my gf so there are no romantic notions between either of us. We are really good friends. We get along well and we just mesh very well together. Obviously my current sig other doesn't know about her. I'm late 20's and she just turned 21. We live in the same town so playing together won't be a problem plus we already have hooked up many times before. My current play is to get her to see the benefits of not worrying about the fact that I'm not single and showing her that I care about her and that's why I want her to be financially stable. Or more financially stable than she currently is.[/QUOTE]This should be easy. Stop all talk on your part about trying to get her into the sack. You two have a history so simply spend time on the phone, maybe two or three times a week to see how she's doing. It's important you let her do the talking, you just keep the conversation moving and reinforce decisions she has made whenever you can. You be the one that terminates the conversations with something else you must do.

Your history guarantees you'll end up at dinner or over coffee. Not on the phone, when you get together, move the conversation to finding out how much time she has so you know this time represents enough time and when it does, if the two of you are clicking you'll end up in the sack. Slide some money in her purse when you are leaving without saying a word about it. She'll take your money as long as it's not linked to putting out. It will be timed that way but not linked that way to her as long as you keep your mouth shut.

The problem comes in getting away from her when you grow tired of her or she begins adding more to your plate [I]which will happen sooner or later[/I]. To delay that day go slow with this and don't get in over your head. Don't even start down this path if the money she needs in her present situation is a concern to you. You'll be bailing after the first encounter and that's of no help to either of you.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2019769]#3) Her BF / another SD wants to eliminate the competition. He had access to her phone, got your messages, and has a plan to chase you off by freaking her out. (and you).[/QUOTE]That was my thought too. BF, jealous one of the girls...her mama...but the leak was on her side, someone who knew her.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2019769]#3) Her BF / another SD wants to eliminate the competition. He had access to her phone, got your messages, and has a plan to chase you off by freaking her out. (and you).[/QUOTE]It is really hard to ever really know how many other men are involved with these babies. We just do our best and hope for the best. But even the most stable / normal ones have crazies around them.

I have one now that is truly a dream. She has most of the things I am looking for sane, job, car own place, beautiful and sexy, and she likes me 9.5/9.5/10/9. But she has a ex boyfriend / stalker that is constantly bugging her. Not easy to get him detached from her. But she does seem to be pushing him away.

If not I may be the one detaching. LOL Not an easy decision.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Revvo;2019916]It is really hard to ever really know how many other men are involved with these babies. We just do our best and hope for the best. But even the most stable / normal ones have crazies around them.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]My ATF #1 had another SD towards the end of our 1 1/2 yr run. He was a psycho possessive Daddy who thought she was exclusive to him. He had a PI follow her to ME! She spent the night with me at a Notel as we usually did. He got info on me and called the SO. A "fellow" SD ratted out his brother rat. That was low but don't discount a crazy EX, SO, or other SD in spoiling your plans.

So my membership to my SB site ran out and I won't be renewing anytime soon. I am tired of these little young stupid girls who want so much money and don't expect to work for it. Here are some of the girls I have met / emailed and let me know if you are experiencing the same thing.

- They automatically want a minim of over a $1,000 per month.

- Some want 1 K-2 K a month and clearly state they won't do anything physical. I take it this is their first time doing this. I would hate to think men are actually ok with type of arrangement.

- Are inflexible about a monthly arrangement. Some how they feel like if they accept a per date agreement it some how makes them a prostitute. I guess going monthly some how is more respectable. I travel 2-3 weeks out of the month and a monthly arrangement won't work for me.

- The girl who replies to your initial email and then drops off the face of the earth.

This is my second time around and I think I am done for now. I am sure I'll be back because the little guy always wins in the end but damn, these girls better smarten up. Be safe out there.

Oh hell no! I pass them on by and say GOOD LUCK with getting that much! I no there are some men out there that can afford that much a month but I'm not paying that much when I can find it for less. If their asking that much they must think its lined in gold! One thing they forget every woman have one. And alot of them look just as good.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2020143]So my membership to my SB site ran out and I won't be renewing anytime soon. I am tired of these little young stupid girls who want so much money and don't expect to work for it. Here are some of the girls I have met / emailed and let me know if you are experiencing the same thing.

- They automatically want a minim of over a $1,000 per month.

- Some want 1 K-2 K a month and clearly state they won't do anything physical. I take it this is their first time doing this. I would hate to think men are actually ok with type of arrangement.

- Are inflexible about a monthly arrangement. Some how they feel like if they accept a per date agreement it some how makes them a prostitute. I guess going monthly some how is more respectable. I travel 2-3 weeks out of the month and a monthly arrangement won't work for me.

- The girl who replies to your initial email and then drops off the face of the earth.

This is my second time around and I think I am done for now. I am sure I'll be back because the little guy always wins in the end but damn, these girls better smarten up. Be safe out there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2020143]So my membership to my SB site ran out and I won't be renewing anytime soon. I am tired of these little young stupid girls who want so much money and don't expect to work for it. Here are some of the girls I have met / emailed and let me know if you are experiencing the same thing.

- They automatically want a minim of over a $1,000 per month.

- Some want 1 K-2 K a month and clearly state they won't do anything physical. I take it this is their first time doing this. I would hate to think men are actually ok with type of arrangement.

- Are inflexible about a monthly arrangement. Some how they feel like if they accept a per date agreement it some how makes them a prostitute. I guess going monthly some how is more respectable. I travel 2-3 weeks out of the month and a monthly arrangement won't work for me.

- The girl who replies to your initial email and then drops off the face of the earth.

This is my second time around and I think I am done for now. I am sure I'll be back because the little guy always wins in the end but damn, these girls better smarten up. Be safe out there.[/QUOTE]I will share a tactic that is working pretty well for me so far: as you look through photos, picture yourself walking up to her at a bar under reasonable pickup conditions. Pretend for simplicity sake the SB scene we know today doesn't exist, and pretend she is in the bar doing what girls did in bars in the pre-Internet days, but assume she is the age and appearance you see in her photos. How do you think she would react? What are your chances? How far above in looks and below in age is she to you? Does she look (and seem from what little writing their may be from her online) like she's just a couple of notches above what you would normally be able to get a phone number, or does she appear in a completely other league from women you've dated?

Use the answers to those questions to guide the women you pick to make an offer, and your chances for success are greater. There is no magic point system or threshold I could provide, but use that as an overall guideline and it tends to lead to better results.

For example, sometimes I see a decent looking one that is actually a little below my normal dating standard, but I ask myself -- is she the type I usually date? If the answer is no, almost without fail I have no luck with her. Maybe she just stops responding or whatever. Sometimes I see a stunner that I really want and have poor success getting her to respond at all. But repeatedly, when I get that vibe that the girl is something like I normally date, only 15-20 years younger, then it seems like the idea of an arrangement quickly fills in that age gap. In other words, most of the ones I have good luck with, I would not necessarily have success with in a bar because I'm 2.5 decades older. But, because they have already conditioned their own mind to the idea of SB'ing, they're open for business.

So in additions to keeping standards reasonable, I think you have better success if you stay within the realm of women that are your type, albeit much younger. Of course, the more game you have the more women are probably your type and therefore greater chance for success.

Thanks Revo and others that responded to my request. This is still a mystery, but I have eliminated the possibility of a few sources on my end and feel much better about the potential of any security threat on my end.

To answer some of the questions:

- I never use my Google voice to talk with her by phone. All of our interactions from the beginning have been strictly txt through Google voice.

- I use my own cell phone but keep it locked down at all times.

- My SO is definitely NOT involved. I know her very well and she would never be able to keep something like this to herself. She would have confronted me by now or at least left some indication through her mood changes that there is a major problem.

-I never use a shared PC or anything other than my locked-down cell phone to communicate with this SB.

- At first I thought maybe this SB was trying to blow me off and this might be an easy way to scare me off, but she has since come around and wants to meet again.

- None of my other SBs have received a message at this point.

- I do use my real first name with this SB. I know that is stupid on my part, but they usually find out anyway and I never felt the need to hide it with her. She claims that my name is not tied to my number on her cell phone, so that would eliminate the "someone saw her cell phone messages" theory. They supposedly called me by name when talking with her.

So still a mystery for both of us. I like her enough to not let this scare me off. I'll keep you posted after our next meeting if she agrees to keep the relationship going.

Thanks.

Alias.

[QUOTE=Revvo;2019181]Another angle. I have some experience with the industry that breaks into these types of applications. And I can tell you. It is probably not going to happen unless the person doing the breaking in is motivated to find you out. And that narrows it down to most likely your SO. Because she could not do it she would need to find someone who could and that would cost money and also be illegal. Doubt your SO did that.

Are you sure your wife would not take the roundabout route and call the SB instead of you? Maybe she is not ready to confront you and risk the marriage yet. Maybe she just wants this to go away?

Anyway. Lets look at a low tech possibility or two.

1. What happened to me the other day. Someone saw you two together and called her. Could be a friend of hers. Thats what happened to me. Someone saw me and my POT together at dinner called her boyfriend and he texted her. That was the end of our fun.

2. Your SB is fucking with you. Potential extortion? Unlikely but a possibility. Or maybe the person calling was referring to another one of her SDs and she thinks it is you?

Need more details. What was the caller I'd on the person who called her? That should be in her phone log. Should be easy to get. And don't tell me that she answered a call with a private number. Most of these SBs don't answer when they know who it is. LOL.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]

RE: Jeez.

" the more game you have the more women are probably your type and therefore greater chance for success. ".

And therein lies the answer. Just as in Real life, some guys have "it" and others don't. However, it IS all about the Money guys. If you read the Blog on SA, which is mind numbing, you will learn where these girls get their instruction. They are told never to accept PTP because they are not to be treated like a low life Hooker. This is their mindset. I have never paid an allowance and always PTP without a blink from any of these girls. Money talks. It is all in the presentation to them to sell the idea that it to their advantage to PTP.

One suggestion: Blame the weekly payout on your finances and cash flow issues. " I wish I could pay monthly but my business works better with a weekly donation. It always works for me.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2020577]RE: Jeez.

" the more game you have the more women are probably your type and therefore greater chance for success. ".

And therein lies the answer. Just as in Real life, some guys have "it" and others don't. However, it IS all about the Money guys. [/QUOTE]Yes, I don't disagree at all, but if you read that quote of mine again, the part I wanted to emphasize is finding women that are your type. By that, I'm not just referring to the fact that some guys are going to be better players, some are more fit and / or attractive and / or wealthier than others. I mean try to find some similarity in the type of women you search for online to the type of women you would have dated 20 years ago, even if they are a couple of notches higher in looks than you would be able to successfully take home from a bar.

Just an example -- when hunting for free pussy, I rarely go for the Barbie doll blonde type, even when I was younger. If I go to a strip club, I almost never pursue that type of girl. It's not that I don't want to bang them, it's just not my thing. There's something lacking in the mutual chemistry between them and me. However show me a slim brunette with a little more exotic look, and its a different story.

So, the tactic I was trying to share is really more than just the "lower your standards, dude" speech. It's partially about keeping standards realistic, but also about aligning your SB selection to your real-world dating experience. Of course if someone has almost zero dating experience, has never even tried to perfect their game with women, doesn't take care of themselves, and doesn't choose their SB targets carefully they aren't going to have much success.

SB training or not, so far I have thus far I have not had one of them reject the idea of starting out with a per-visit allowance, but I never talk about that initially. I exchange e-mails / texts / phone for probably at least a week before I even get close to that topic. I have also had some not even respond to me at all, or just flake out within the first couple of e-mails (I assume they weren't that into me. LOL). But in the case of the latter, it was always someone who was outside my typical type anyway.

Find your type, find your niche, and you'll have success. These immediate demands for thousands per month unseen are a result of either aiming too high or just generally aiming off target.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2020604]Yes, I don't disagree at all, but if you read that quote of mine again, the part I wanted to emphasize is finding women that are your type. By that, I'm not just referring to the fact that some guys are going to be better players, some are more fit and / or attractive and / or wealthier than others. I mean try to find some similarity in the type of women you search for online to the type of women you would have dated 20 years ago, even if they are a couple of notches higher in looks than you would be able to successfully take home from a bar.

Just an example -- when hunting for free pussy, I rarely go for the Barbie doll blonde type, even when I was younger. If I go to a strip club, I almost never pursue that type of girl. It's not that I don't want to bang them, it's just not my thing. There's something lacking in the mutual chemistry between them and me. However show me a slim brunette with a little more exotic look, and its a different story.

So, the tactic I was trying to share is really more than just the "lower your standards, dude" speech. It's partially about keeping standards realistic, but also about aligning your SB selection to your real-world dating experience. Of course if someone has almost zero dating experience, has never even tried to perfect their game with women, doesn't take care of themselves, and doesn't choose their SB targets carefully they aren't going to have much success.

SB training or not, so far I have thus far I have not had one of them reject the idea of starting out with a per-visit allowance, but I never talk about that initially. I exchange e-mails / texts / phone for probably at least a week before I even get close to that topic. I have also had some not even respond to me at all, or just flake out within the first couple of e-mails (I assume they weren't that into me. LOL). But in the case of the latter, it was always someone who was outside my typical type anyway.

Find your type, find your niche, and you'll have success. These immediate demands for thousands per month unseen are a result of either aiming too high or just generally aiming off target.[/QUOTE]I only pay per visit and tell them its $ in my first message. Saves a lot of time, gets a a lot of rejects and also gives me more selection than I can ever get to and I bang once a day on average.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2021054]I only pay per visit and tell them its $ in my first message. Saves a lot of time, gets a a lot of rejects and also gives me more selection than I can ever get to and I bang once a day on average.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing if your name indicates where you're located, you've probably got an insane amount of options available. Earlier in the thread I mentioned how different the girls can be from city to city. Some areas have girls that (in terms of attitude and intent) aren't really distinguishing in their mind between SB'ing and escorting. Every now and then they'll throw their phone number out in their first response and ask if I can meet them in the next hour or two. LOL.

At the other side of the spectrum, I've seen some that already have a good education and decent job, with no major financial problems, but they seem genuinely interested finding a financially successful boyfriend for a LTR, and/or they're attracted to older men.

It's a little tough for me because I've already got a GF, and I can't host here at my place, so trying to line them up in other areas I'll be traveling to, then adding hotel room to the cost of the overall deal is a challenge sometimes.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2021247]I'm guessing if your name indicates where you're located, you've probably got an insane amount of options available. Earlier in the thread I mentioned how different the girls can be from city to city. Some areas have girls that (in terms of attitude and intent) aren't really distinguishing in their mind between SB'ing and escorting. Every now and then they'll throw their phone number out in their first response and ask if I can meet them in the next hour or two. LOL.

At the other side of the spectrum, I've seen some that already have a good education and decent job, with no major financial problems, but they seem genuinely interested finding a financially successful boyfriend for a LTR, and/or they're attracted to older men.

It's a little tough for me because I've already got a GF, and I can't host here at my place, so trying to line them up in other areas I'll be traveling to, then adding hotel room to the cost of the overall deal is a challenge sometimes.[/QUOTE]I agree that location and relationship status are big factors. My GF is an SB so that helps a lot. I don't civi date.

Has anyone tried [URL]Fetlife.com[/URL] ? There are a lot of Daddy and Princess / baby girl type profiles. Went to a party last night and met a 27 year old girl that started telling me she liked "age play" and she told me about the site. At 27 it seemed a little difficult to imagine her being my baby girl. Anyway I put up a profile. This site is not about money. It's a social networking site. Seems like a lot of work, but the site is free. Dating mostly 18 to 22 I get a lot of that on the SD site. Which is what I look for and really have no trouble finding.

Curious to see about doing it without money being the prime focus. Even though being a Daddy is about taking care of your girl in all areas. This site is mostly just focused on sex, but I do see some profiles talking about being compensated.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2021747]Has anyone tried [URL]Fetlife.com[/URL] ? There are a lot of Daddy and Princess / baby girl type profiles. Went to a party last night and met a 27 year old girl that started telling me she liked "age play" and she told me about the site. At 27 it seemed a little difficult to imagine her being my baby girl. Anyway I put up a profile. This site is not about money. It's a social networking site. Seems like a lot of work, but the site is free. Dating mostly 18 to 22 I get a lot of that on the SD site. Which is what I look for and really have no trouble finding.

Curious to see about doing it without money being the prime focus. Even though being a Daddy is about taking care of your girl in all areas. This site is mostly just focused on sex, but I do see some profiles talking about being compensated.[/QUOTE]I've been a member of that for a while now. You are wasting your time honestly. You need to seriously be involved in the kink lifestyle in order to have any success. The easy ones are way way overweight and love using the term bbw. The hot ones are taken or are just posting pics for the attention. If you are looking for a bs I don't thing it's the right place IMHO. It will chew you up and spit you out.

Bear with me on this through the details, there's a valid question that's hard to present without reporting some of what went on.

Recently met a SB for our first encounter for dinner & drinks at a hotel restaurant and conveniently I had a room waiting in same building so after dinner it was off to the FC. We talked a little about minor fetishes or things we liked and had a couple more drinks in the room, and it wasn't long before I unfastened her pants, pulled them down around her knees and used the pants as leverage to hold her legs up, slid her panties aside and started giving her my absolute best oral effort.

Others have enjoyed my giving nature in the past but she was into it even more than most. Eventually all our clothes came off so positions changed, and she was still going on about how incredible the pussy eating was, so I kept this going for a VERY long time (inordinately long maybe), getting her off multiple times as she couldn't get enough. Then I get into a 69 position so that she can return some favors too. She does, but it was not with the fervor or enthusiasm one might expect, particularly after the extended performance and hard work she's been getting from my tongue and hands.

During sex, her daddy's girl fantasy started to show as she verbally encouraged her new daddy to do various things. During doggy, it felt instinctive to me to spank her beautiful bottom, as daddy's have been prone to do (at least this daddy). Based on everything else that had gone on, I expected some positive reaction to the spanking, but she didn't react and for some reason I almost got the feeling it was disrupting her idea of what the daddy's girl play should be about, as if she saw her self as the good girl getting some affection from daddy, not the naughty girl getting punished by daddy.

So my question is, for those of you that do this role playing (I'm normally not much of a role playing person but it seems some SB's are into it so it can be fun), is spanking not typically mixed with "daddy talk"? I had another experience once several years back where a non-SB situation let me to believe I need to be careful with introducing the "bad girl" or "naughty girl" idea into whatever fantasy they have going on in their mind. In that case, the girl literally cooed "nnoooooooooo, I'm a GOOD girl daddy" in a way that might have been trying to correct me.

Along the same lines, do you find these SBs really expect to spoiled in every sense? I'm talking about the inequity of her BJ effort versus how hard I worked to please her. Do your find your SBs to typically feel entitled to the princess treatment where you're basically paying to kiss their butt in the figurative sense? Or do you find it to be on a par with say typical girlfriend who is horny and into you sex? I came away from that encounter feeling like I was expected not only to provide dinner / room / allowance / great sex for our encounter but that the only thing she was on the hook for was being young and hot and being there for me to fuck.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2022661]Bear with me on this through the details, there's a valid question that's hard to present without reporting some of what went on.

Along the same lines, do you find these SBs really expect to spoiled in every sense? I'm talking about the inequity of her BJ effort versus how hard I worked to please her. Do your find your SBs to typically feel entitled to the princess treatment where you're basically paying to kiss their butt in the figurative sense? Or do you find it to be on a par with say typical girlfriend who is horny and into you sex? I came away from that encounter feeling like I was expected not only to provide dinner / room / allowance / great sex for our encounter but that the only thing she was on the hook for was being young and hot and being there for me to fuck.[/QUOTE]Sounds like my idea of a good time depending on the $ value of the night. What did the night cost you? They are all different brother and some are takers and others givers. I learned from a Dom light that some spanking is desirable (at least to her) She was a talker and would lead me down the path. We were delivering the intro to a 3 hour session with mutual oral pleasuring including 69 and multiple orgasms. As I was eating her hard holding on to her ass she said "I love it when you grab my ass like that " Well, I'm an easy learner so I grabbed that ass harder each thrust with my tongue as she moaned loudly. Then when I stood up at the edge of the bed and grabbed her ass to pull her onto my cock she said "I love it when you pull me around the bed and man handle me " Well!! She is making it easy. At the end of the session I was beating the crap out of her, pulling her hair so hard it hurt me, and pounding her pussy like she owed me money. I was sore for a week but she loved it.

My point is, use her pillow talk for feedback. Your girl that night was not into the bad girl scene, but another might be. I always pop my new girls lightly on the ass once or twice, and if she does not give me any reinforcement I don't go there.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2022693]Sounds like my idea of a good time depending on the $ value of the night. What did the night cost you? They are all different brother and some are takers and others givers. I learned from a Dom light that some spanking is desirable (at least to her) She was a talker and would lead me down the path. We were delivering the intro to a 3 hour session with mutual oral pleasuring including 69 and multiple orgasms. As I was eating her hard holding on to her ass she said "I love it when you grab my ass like that " Well, I'm an easy learner so I grabbed that ass harder each thrust with my tongue as she moaned loudly. Then when I stood up at the edge of the bed and grabbed her ass to pull her onto my cock she said "I love it when you pull me around the bed and man handle me " Well!! She is making it easy. At the end of the session I was beating the crap out of her, pulling her hair so hard it hurt me, and pounding her pussy like she owed me money. I was sore for a week but she loved it.

My point is, use her pillow talk for feedback. Your girl that night was not into the bad girl scene, but another might be. I always pop my new girls lightly on the ass once or twice, and if she does not give me any reinforcement I don't go there.[/QUOTE]I find some are takers and some are givers in regular dating, but I have a lot more experience with that then I do with SBs, so always interested to hear others' experiences. When I read these girls profiles, a lot of them focus so much on being spoiled, pampered, treated like a princess, etc. And I have definitely noticed that a lot of these girls seem to have this background of having a loving father that spoiled them so their looking to fill that role (as the spoiling they received often leaves them years later with non-ideal coping skills when it comes to financial matters).

In my mind, the "spoiling" and "pampering" that I am signing up for is primarily just the allowance, with dinner and drinks when applicable. Of course, I'm also willing to pamper in the sense that if she likes foot massages or backrubs, I don't mind to try to accommodate that, or whatever specific kinks or fetishes (within reason) I will also try to help out (though I cannot travel with her, etc. Due to real girlfriend, so that option is out).

However sometimes I see messages from others here that make me wonder if I am understanding what they really mean by pamper / spoil etc. I always thought that's more or less just for lack of something better to say in the profile, something that helps distinguish SBs from outright pros. But I don't know what these girls are getting in terms of total benefits beyond allowance from their other sugar daddies, or if they really expect the princess treatment across the board.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2022661]Bear with me on this through the details, there's a valid question that's hard to present without reporting some of what went on.

Recently met a SB for our first encounter for dinner & drinks at a hotel restaurant and conveniently I had a room waiting in same building so after dinner it was off to the FC. We talked a little about minor fetishes or things we liked and had a couple more drinks in the room, and it wasn't long before I unfastened her pants, pulled them down around her knees and used the pants as leverage to hold her legs up, slid her panties aside and started giving her my absolute best oral effort.

Others have enjoyed my giving nature in the past but she was into it even more than most. Eventually all our clothes came off so positions changed, and she was still going on about how incredible the pussy eating was, so I kept this going for a VERY long time (inordinately long maybe), getting her off multiple times as she couldn't get enough. Then I get into a 69 position so that she can return some favors too. She does, but it was not with the fervor or enthusiasm one might expect, particularly after the extended performance and hard work she's been getting from my tongue and hands.

During sex, her daddy's girl fantasy started to show as she verbally encouraged her new daddy to do various things. During doggy, it felt instinctive to me to spank her beautiful bottom, as daddy's have been prone to do (at least this daddy). Based on everything else that had gone on, I expected some positive reaction to the spanking, but she didn't react and for some reason I almost got the feeling it was disrupting her idea of what the daddy's girl play should be about, as if she saw her self as the good girl getting some affection from daddy, not the naughty girl getting punished by daddy.

So my question is, for those of you that do this role playing (I'm normally not much of a role playing person but it seems some SB's are into it so it can be fun), is spanking not typically mixed with "daddy talk"? I had another experience once several years back where a non-SB situation let me to believe I need to be careful with introducing the "bad girl" or "naughty girl" idea into whatever fantasy they have going on in their mind. In that case, the girl literally cooed "nnoooooooooo, I'm a GOOD girl daddy" in a way that might have been trying to correct me.

Along the same lines, do you find these SBs really expect to spoiled in every sense? I'm talking about the inequity of her BJ effort versus how hard I worked to please her. Do your find your SBs to typically feel entitled to the princess treatment where you're basically paying to kiss their butt in the figurative sense? Or do you find it to be on a par with say typical girlfriend who is horny and into you sex? I came away from that encounter feeling like I was expected not only to provide dinner / room / allowance / great sex for our encounter but that the only thing she was on the hook for was being young and hot and being there for me to fuck.[/QUOTE]If you are going to date the young ones, expect a certain amount of training as part of the deal. They all want to learn, and if they don't, won't or just can't, then its on to the next one.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2022720]When I read these girls profiles, a lot of them focus so much on being spoiled, pampered, treated like a princess, etc. [/QUOTE]I've wondered about this too. If I see a profile that mentions a lot of spoiling, pampering, or travel, I don't contact the girl no matter how hot she is. I assume she's not going to accept an arrangement where I'm giving her cash each time I see her. What they're looking for seems naive to me, but I always wonder if they ever manage to find guys to give them that.

Has anyone ever met an SB who had any stories of finding an SD who just spoiled them instead of a clear pay for play arrangement? Seems to me it wouldn't last long, with both sides quickly feeling they were getting the short end of the stick.

Also, has anyone found girls with profiles like that to be worth bothering to contact?

Hello everyone! I have closely followed this thread closely for some time and thought that I would finally jump in and share. I have made more than my share of mistakes in this enticing endeavor (both before I discovered this thread and sadly, some even after). The knowledge that is shared here in quite incredible and I am hopeful that by participating I will continue to develop in my pursuits.

As mentioned and recommended by others, I research a POT SB to the ultimate degree. It is quite amazing what can be discovered online nowadays. Particularly if you have either an email address or their actual name. Obviously, Facebook yields a lot of info but it is amazing what the younger generation shares on Twitter nowadays. This online research has caused me to back off meeting several, but sometimes I wonder if I am just too paranoid or too careful for my own good.

Anyways, I will share more in the near future. And thanks again to everyone who shares their insight and experiences!

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2022720] " a lot of these girls seem to have this background of having a loving father that spoiled them "

In my mind, the "spoiling" and "pampering" that I am signing up for is primarily just the allowance, with dinner and drinks when applicable. [/QUOTE]On the contrary, I think a lot of the girls who are here have tragic life experiences such as sex abuse, absent fathers, derelict mothers, etc. The spoiled rich college girl is definitely a reality though.

"S&P " (spoiling and pampering) means money but primarily they hunger to be treated like valued persons respectfully. It's sad really, because most are not used to men treating them well. The GPS girls want the extravagant shopping trips, spas, etc, but most just want to be treated well. Most girls I've encountered are not so into sex as they are into getting 1) the $$ and 2) the respect. Since they don't get the respect so often then they will take the $.

Sex is appreciated by these girls but what they want is the above. We men preen when we deliver an outstanding multi orgasmic session but the girl appreciates the appearance of loving respect.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2023256]On the contrary, I think a lot of the girls who are here have tragic life experiences such as sex abuse, absent fathers, derelict mothers, etc. The spoiled rich college girl is definitely a reality though.

"S&P " (spoiling and pampering) means money but primarily they hunger to be treated like valued persons respectfully. It's sad really, because most are not used to men treating them well. The GPS girls want the extravagant shopping trips, spas, etc, but most just want to be treated well. Most girls I've encountered are not so into sex as they are into getting 1) the $$ and 2) the respect. Since they don't get the respect so often then they will take the $.

Sex is appreciated by these girls but what they want is the above. We men preen when we deliver an outstanding multi orgasmic session but the girl appreciates the appearance of loving respect.[/QUOTE]Interesting insights, and one of the reasons I'm here to learn. I have seen what you've described with regular dates / FWBs, strippers, etc and I've heard that is the common background of most pros, but my own personal experience so far with SB's has been "spoiled by daddy, need to replace him" kind of thing. Girls who also seem to just prefer older guys, even to the point that their very first high school boyfriends were in their 20's or 30's. I have witnessed the same things with girls I picked up on [URL]match.com[/URL] and banged without payment, only later to see their photos on sugardaddy sites (not knowing they were looking for a SD when I met them, nor being asked for any sort of money or arrangement). In some of the cases I never learned about their relationship so they may have been as you said, but most of them conveyed the spoiled by daddy case to me. I didn't mention their relationship with their mother -- sometimes they just don't tell me about that, but in general I got the feeling they were just a lot closer with their dad, perhaps due to a bad mother or maybe to the dismay or jealousy of the mother (who knows).

Though, I'm still relatively new at this so I'm sure my perspective will broaden as the population sample size grows.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2023289]Interesting insights, and one of the reasons I'm here to learn. I have seen what you've described with regular dates / FWBs, strippers, etc and I've heard that is the common background of most pros, but my own personal experience so far with SB's has been "spoiled by daddy, need to replace him" kind of thing. Girls who also seem to just prefer older guys, even to the point that their very first high school boyfriends were in their 20's or 30's. I have witnessed the same things with girls I picked up on [URL]match.com[/URL] and banged without payment, only later to see their photos on sugardaddy sites (not knowing they were looking for a SD when I met them, nor being asked for any sort of money or arrangement). In some of the cases I never learned about their relationship so they may have been as you said, but most of them conveyed the spoiled by daddy case to me. I didn't mention their relationship with their mother -- sometimes they just don't tell me about that, but in general I got the feeling they were just a lot closer with their dad, perhaps due to a bad mother or maybe to the dismay or jealousy of the mother (who knows).

Though, I'm still relatively new at this so I'm sure my perspective will broaden as the population sample size grows.[/QUOTE]Lizard,

Those are some interesting points. How has your experience been on [URL]match.com[/URL]? I have often wondered about trying to find a legitimate no dollar type of arrangement on one of the civi dating sites. Ashley Madison is a big fucking bust. I have found it to be a total waste and money. And if you found women there to fuck why have you continued with the SD / SB sites? Just curious.

Also on the daddy and mommy issues. Most of these girls are damaged goods in one way or another. Their parents many times are complete failures and I have heard horrendous stories about what some of these girls have gone through. No wonder they have a distorted view of what a relationship with a man really should be like.

I can tell you from my extensive contact with these women. Very few are of the spoiled by daddy types and just want to be spoiled by a man. Mostly it is of the other variety where they are confused, bewildered, and have never been taught how to act. Been through bad families and probably quite a bit of abuse.

Sounds like you are really starting to get the hang of this. Keep the stories coming.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=ChipandPutt;2023143]Hello everyone! I have closely followed this thread closely for some time and thought that I would finally jump in and share. I have made more than my share of mistakes in this enticing endeavor (both before I discovered this thread and sadly, some even after). The knowledge that is shared here in quite incredible and I am hopeful that by participating I will continue to develop in my pursuits.

As mentioned and recommended by others, I research a POT SB to the ultimate degree. It is quite amazing what can be discovered online nowadays. Particularly if you have either an email address or their actual name. Obviously, Facebook yields a lot of info but it is amazing what the younger generation shares on Twitter nowadays. This online research has caused me to back off meeting several, but sometimes I wonder if I am just too paranoid or too careful for my own good.

Anyways, I will share more in the near future. And thanks again to everyone who shares their insight and experiences![/QUOTE]Welcome. Thanks for sharing. You are entering a small and strange brotherhood, of adventurers and hobbyists. Where most lurk in the shadows but a few actually share and learn through their sharing. This is an engaging, fascinating, frustrating, and incredibly exciting endeavor that can hook you and keep you. It can suck you in, it can rudely push you out and it can confound you to no ends.

Remember keep your focus. This is a fluid environment and can change on a dime. Keep writing, you will grow much faster and deeper. And of course:

Be careful out there.

Revvo.

Revvo. My typing is a little bit hindered on this laptop (I'm traveling), so grammar may suffer. But, over the years I have gotten an insane amount of free pussy from match, some from POF, and there used to be a bunch of other ones that I really haven't looked into, but I know yahoo personals and udate and some of those either got bought / consolidated with match. Match is still probably the best bet for regular dating.

As far as why would I be interested in SBs if free pussy is available there, its a combination of things. When I was single (without current relationship) I wanted to spend every free minute finding a real life partner... I was genuinely looking for who I said I was at the time, the other girls just turned out to be pretty much dinner dates that sometimes ended up back at the FC (which was easy at the time because I was alone, and women are always interested to see your house and what you have etc). There were times I met them for the first time, spent $40 on dinner and 2 hours later was fucking them every way possible.

But, also I should say that largely they are not SB-quality looks. They don't put pictures of themselves in underwear online like SBs. Mostly they were not 19-21 years old, because match and these other sites makes blocks you from even seeing girls that have said they don't want a guy that's more than x years older. So, once you're over 30 its hard to meet girls in early 20's on match I think (at least legitmately), and once you're over 40, well you get the idea the website starts "matching" you with women that are less and less what you want if you're going after young pussy, and they are also generally looking for something more meaningful. Like I said I got a lot of pussy but I also had a lot of dates that went nowhere, like some of them putting up pictures that were real technically but not representative of how they really look. And once you get over 30 most of them will have kids, some of them will want you to get involved with their kids fairly early on, etc. I used to avoid single moms when I could even if they were hot because they were too easy to take advantage of.

Basically match is not the place if you're looking for discretion, privacy, and some dates to hide from your wife or SO. In my case I'm in a relationship that's very important to me, so even among the SB's available to me I've had to be very careful. There have been some that I wanted to bang so badly but they seem damaged and prone to seek me out for revenge or something if it doesn't go their way, so I worry about that.

[QUOTE=Revvo;2023647]Lizard,

Those are some interesting points. How has your experience been on [URL]match.com[/URL]? I have often wondered about trying to find a legitimate no dollar type of arrangement on one of the civi dating sites. Ashley Madison is a big fucking bust. I have found it to be a total waste and money. And if you found women there to fuck why have you continued with the SD / SB sites? Just curious.

Also on the daddy and mommy issues. Most of these girls are damaged goods in one way or another. Their parents many times are complete failures and I have heard horrendous stories about what some of these girls have gone through. No wonder they have a distorted view of what a relationship with a man really should be like.

I can tell you from my extensive contact with these women. Very few are of the spoiled by daddy types and just want to be spoiled by a man. Mostly it is of the other variety where they are confused, bewildered, and have never been taught how to act. Been through bad families and probably quite a bit of abuse.

Sounds like you are really starting to get the hang of this. Keep the stories coming.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]

At this point I have come to believe that this thread is mainly about two things. The first is learning how to source, acquire and maintain a SB. The second is how to do it on the cheap. I have been an obsessed collector most of my life. I have collected many things. It always starts out the same. There is an initial rush to get a coveted item and you overpay to do it. After a while your collection gets bigger and you tire of some of the less than perfect items. Simultaneously your knowledge of how to be a better collector begins to grow. Your collection may get smaller (or not) but the overall quality of the collection begins to rise and you begin to get more value for the money you spend.

At this point you realize there are some variables. You can become overwhelmed with too many things or you can go after nicer things that you or may not be able to afford. There will always be other collectors that can outbid you and some things you can never afford (even if they are at bargain prices for what they are). This type of collecting is no different. This site has easily cut my collecting costs in half. The quality of my collection has gone up overall and there are things I can't have due to financial constraints and also the willingness of others to pay more than market value (I call it auction fever).

There is also another factor which is unique in the fact that the coveted item herself has a say in the perceived value (paintings, guns, knives and baseball cards don"t have an opinion). The SD sites are acting as default auction houses. The only difference being is that they only get a listing fee and not a percentage of the proceeds (they have a word for people that do that). After 5 years of dedicating myself to this hobby full time I am basically at the hoarder level. The only way to increase the quality of my collection is to pay more. Spending more time on trying to find wild bargains isn't going to get me the variety and quality I am really looking for in the time frame that I wish to accomplish it.

But for now I am going to stay at the quality level I can afford and still be able to get sex daily. I am not ragging on or unhappy with every girl I see. But having the addiction of more makes me continue to plot and plan on how I am going to accomplish my mission (finding hotter girls with better sex skills that don't annoy me at prices I can afford). I have two choices. Earn more money at work or try to figure out how to pay less. I don't think I can pay any less than I am to get the quality of girls I am willing to be with. So for now I will appreciate the girls I have for what they can offer, continue to bargain hunt and try to do better at work.

Like any hobby, as your knowledge about it increases your desire for the finer things increases. I am grateful for what I have but haven't lost the desire to improve on my situation. And sometimes I still get auction fever and fall into other bad habits as this can be an emotional roller coaster. Like any addiction the frequency, quantity and quality have to keep going up just to maintain your satisfaction level. Being the semi-responsible person I am. I am trying not to overdose or overspend. Yes I have an addictive personality and can become bored in minutes. Combine that with an impulsive nature and you have a recipe for losing control.

So for you new guys, I promise you if you stick to this you will get more than you bargained for, its just a matter of when, not if.

This commentary should be in the intro of the handbook on Sugar hunting. Nicely done Hollywood!

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2023897]At this point I have come to believe that this thread is mainly about two things. The first is learning how to source, acquire and maintain a SB. The second is how to do it on the cheap. I have been an obsessed collector most of my life. I have collected many things. It always starts out the same. There is an initial rush to get a coveted item and you overpay to do it. After a while your collection gets bigger and you tire of some of the less than perfect items. Simultaneously your knowledge of how to be a better collector begins to grow. Your collection may get smaller (or not) but the overall quality of the collection begins to rise and you begin to get more value for the money you spend.

At this point you realize there are some variables. You can become overwhelmed with too many things or you can go after nicer things that you or may not be able to afford. There will always be other collectors that can outbid you and some things you can never afford (even if they are at bargain prices for what they are). This type of collecting is no different. This site has easily cut my collecting costs in half. The quality of my collection has gone up overall and there are things I can't have due to financial constraints and also the willingness of others to pay more than market value (I call it auction fever).

There is also another factor which is unique in the fact that the coveted item herself has a say in the perceived value (paintings, guns, knives and baseball cards don"t have an opinion). The SD sites are acting as default auction houses. The only difference being is that they only get a listing fee and not a percentage of the proceeds (they have a word for people that do that). After 5 years of dedicating myself to this hobby full time I am basically at the hoarder level. The only way to increase the quality of my collection is to pay more. Spending more time on trying to find wild bargains isn't going to get me the variety and quality I am really looking for in the time frame that I wish to accomplish it.

But for now I am going to stay at the quality level I can afford and still be able to get sex daily. I am not ragging on or unhappy with every girl I see. But having the addiction of more makes me continue to plot and plan on how I am going to accomplish my mission (finding hotter girls with better sex skills that don't annoy me at prices I can afford). I have two choices. Earn more money at work or try to figure out how to pay less. I don't think I can pay any less than I am to get the quality of girls I am willing to be with. So for now I will appreciate the girls I have for what they can offer, continue to bargain hunt and try to do better at work.

Like any hobby, as your knowledge about it increases your desire for the finer things increases. I am grateful for what I have but haven't lost the desire to improve on my situation. And sometimes I still get auction fever and fall into other bad habits as this can be an emotional roller coaster. Like any addiction the frequency, quantity and quality have to keep going up just to maintain your satisfaction level. Being the semi-responsible person I am. I am trying not to overdose or overspend. Yes I have an addictive personality and can become bored in minutes. Combine that with an impulsive nature and you have a recipe for losing control.

So for you new guys, I promise you if you stick to this you will get more than you bargained for, its just a matter of when, not if.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2023897]At this point I have come to believe that this thread is mainly about two things. The first is learning how to source, acquire and maintain a SB. The second is how to do it on the cheap. I have been an obsessed collector most of my life. I have collected many things. It always starts out the same. There is an initial rush to get a coveted item and you overpay to do it. After a while your collection gets bigger and you tire of some of the less than perfect items. Simultaneously your knowledge of how to be a better collector begins to grow. Your collection may get smaller (or not) but the overall quality of the collection begins to rise and you begin to get more value for the money you spend.

At this point you realize there are some variables. You can become overwhelmed with too many things or you can go after nicer things that you or may not be able to afford. There will always be other collectors that can outbid you and some things you can never afford (even if they are at bargain prices for what they are). This type of collecting is no different. This site has easily cut my collecting costs in half. The quality of my collection has gone up overall and there are things I can't have due to financial constraints and also the willingness of others to pay more than market value (I call it auction fever).

There is also another factor which is unique in the fact that the coveted item herself has a say in the perceived value (paintings, guns, knives and baseball cards don"t have an opinion). The SD sites are acting as default auction houses. The only difference being is that they only get a listing fee and not a percentage of the proceeds (they have a word for people that do that). After 5 years of dedicating myself to this hobby full time I am basically at the hoarder level. The only way to increase the quality of my collection is to pay more. Spending more time on trying to find wild bargains isn't going to get me the variety and quality I am really looking for in the time frame that I wish to accomplish it.

But for now I am going to stay at the quality level I can afford and still be able to get sex daily. I am not ragging on or unhappy with every girl I see. But having the addiction of more makes me continue to plot and plan on how I am going to accomplish my mission (finding hotter girls with better sex skills that don't annoy me at prices I can afford). I have two choices. Earn more money at work or try to figure out how to pay less. I don't think I can pay any less than I am to get the quality of girls I am willing to be with. So for now I will appreciate the girls I have for what they can offer, continue to bargain hunt and try to do better at work.

Like any hobby, as your knowledge about it increases your desire for the finer things increases. I am grateful for what I have but haven't lost the desire to improve on my situation. And sometimes I still get auction fever and fall into other bad habits as this can be an emotional roller coaster. Like any addiction the frequency, quantity and quality have to keep going up just to maintain your satisfaction level. Being the semi-responsible person I am. I am trying not to overdose or overspend. Yes I have an addictive personality and can become bored in minutes. Combine that with an impulsive nature and you have a recipe for losing control.

So for you new guys, I promise you if you stick to this you will get more than you bargained for, its just a matter of when, not if.[/QUOTE]I really like the collectors analogy. Although I do not believe I have a addictive personality I do have an impulsive personality. And I do find myself in bouts of hoarding too many collectibles and spending way too much money or time at this hobby.

As an interesting aside I have learned quite a bit about Oxytocin lately and its effects on humans. Briefly Oxytocin is the pleasure chemical in the human brain and many men especially older men do not produce enough of this. And good sex is a really good way of getting it. And it is essential to being happy, and being able to attract women. But when you do get it. It is really good and it can in itself make you become addictive to the behavior that makes you get it.

And I believe pursuing and getting, but not necessarily keeping these babies can give me a big shot of this wonderful drug. In addition it is much more powerful than the chemicals that drug users frequent. Which sometimes worries me. Because I do find myself going to excess. Spending too much time on this hobby. And being too worried about future conquests than the beautiful princess right in front of me.

But I have talked extensively about trying to find just the right one and having that quality experience. My Blue Eyed Sexy Italian baby may just be the ticket. We are having a great time. She has a lot of the qualities that I am looking for. And I have basically shelved all my other POTs to focus on her. Hell she is happy to see me 2 or 3 times per week and is open to just about whatever I ask. She does not put any drama on me and she is really cool inside and outside the bedroom. She is an excellent communicator and appears to be into me. At this point things are new but great. Not a unicorn but damn close. She is stunning, former cheerleader and gymnast, great little spinner body around 105 lbs, and has the most beautiful pussy. I am currently giving her a 9.5/9.5/10/9.

So can I be happy with just one long term, will I still get that Oxytocin? And of course she may be gone tomorrow. No one ever knows. And that would leave me without my regular shot of Oxytocin. That would be a problem. Then I would have to rebuild. And that would suck. But I have started over many times before. In this endeavor and others. As Don Draper on MAD Men said, "the hardest part is right at the loss" after that it just gets better and better.

But one thing I have learned and talked about on here. The world is filled with first class pussy just waiting for a man to fuck them. A lot of them play this SD game. But you do have to try to separate the "hot chicks" the "GPS Chicks" and the "crazies" from the quality ones. But they are there and more are joining every day. Hollywood is right. You stick with this. Read this blog cover to cover. Learn from our mistakes. Make a few of your own along the way. And stay conscious of your own issues. And you will absolutely be knee deep in pussy.

Be careful out there.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Revvo;2024322]I really like the collectors analogy. Although I do not believe I have a addictive personality I do have an impulsive personality. And I do find myself in bouts of hoarding too many collectibles and spending way too much money or time at this hobby.

So can I be happy with just one long term, will I still get that Oxytocin?

Revvo.[/QUOTE]Naaaah! Don't delude yourself Revvo, you're just in lust right now. Follow Hollywood's lead and keep your collection going.

Got back on Sugar Daddy mainly for a browse and if something good came up something good came.

Been looking around the past couple of days and not only is my area really depleted but most of the women are in their 40's and not attractive in the least. The few I have come across in an age and attraction bracket I like seem to be mainly wanting to send pics for money. Probably won't hang past this month.

I wish I had 7 women on my mind ("Take It Easy" Currently, I'm trying to juggle 4 SBs! So far, I've been able to "keep all the balls in the air". But, I think it's time to make "cuts" and maybe add another free agent or two. Currently, the lineup is as follows:

1) Grand Strand dancer- 20's single mom. This one is the neediest and by far the most grateful. The damage has been limited to nice presents (perfume, jewelry, cigarettes...dinner and a movie).

2) SW VA dancer- this one is by far the hottest! Problem: she asks for "a raise" with too much frequency. I've been seeing her for 4+ years and she has a live-in boyfriend that rarely works and it's just a matter of time before there's going to be drama. So, I have put some distance and time between us; so, her response is to beg me to come back with no $ involved. But, as good as it is I'll be dropping this one.

3) 28 yr old Mountain girl- this is one hot and loves to send me kinky pics! We've been together 5 times and all she wants is to get out of WV on occasion. So, far we haven't gone anywhere outside of the state but might try once the weather thaws.

4) VA Beach escort turned SB?: we are still talking about getting together, so far our schedules haven't meshed. She seems to be more of a pro and might be out of my league.

3 and 4 were both discovered on SDtoday! It seems to be hit and miss on that site. I have had conversations with about a dozen that seemed legit. I have found that a few of these have gotten "cold feet" just prior to meeting.

My difficulty is trying to juggle all of these girls. As you can tell, I prefer to have them away from where I live. So, the issue is not $ but time. I appreciate all the wisdom and experiences shared here or else I might have drowned in the bowl!

R2.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2024347]Naaaah! Don't delude yourself Revvo, you're just in lust right now. Follow Hollywood's lead and keep your collection going.[/QUOTE]You damn right I am in lust, and its a lot of lust. LOL.

So you want me to keep collecting huh? Like the stories?

Revvo.

Yes Revvo, these stories keep us all going. It's interesting how the Blog ebbs and flows with significant players coming and going through. Lets' have a moment of silence for the great names who were or are still here. And it's great that so many new names are popping up. You Revvo have risen to the top of the productivity chart with Hollywood.

Remember: Lit (still here and moderating) the king of it all, Golf, F Scott (where are you man?) , Nando, Big Tigg.

BigTigger.

Location Check Results: as of 4/13.

Mr. Strict: I-95 corridor, NOVA to Richmond, west to see'ville.

Fred Moore: Washington, DC with Charlotte, NC to Bethesda, MD and points in betweem.

BigTigg: VA, MD, DC, PA, DE (Travel SBs from: Cali, Atlanta, Buffalo, Alabama).

CantWinLosin: Richmond VA.

AliasSM: Baltimore and North.

Hernando: Richmond, Va to Washington, DC.

DantaKarma: Northern VA, DC, Southern MD.

HighCotton: Richmond VA.

HappyHunter44: Charlottesville, VA.

GuyWoodson: Centreville VA.

SubCmdr. DC, MD, VA Cali (San Diego & Oceanside) and Las Vegas.

HollywoodGuy: Hollywood CA.

Wnde8: Los Angeles CA.

Bondo500: Central Ohio.

TreasureHunter: Los Angeles, CA.

LoriTruck: NC, SC, GA.

Magic Rat: NC, SC.

Kyowa: far-western-Kentucky.

KY Man629: Central Kentucky to Southern Ohio and Southern Indiana.

ATLDrummer: Atlanta.

Joesouncool: GA / TN.

Donwhite: Nashville TN.

PatsFan1: So. NH and No. Mass.

F. Scott: Chicago and surrounding suburbs, OTR (Asheville, NC, and New Orleans).

Golfcart: Indiana.

West Central: Wabash Valley IN / IL, TX, MA, Oz.

Smokarz_XO: CT.

FotoGuy1970: Michigan.

I had fun reviewing some of the current and past contributors. A few more follow. No disrespect meant leaving anyone out. My intention was to hit the frequent posters. Please speak up if you want to be recognized. Current posters were not necessarily included because we are seeing you on the Blog as we speak. Keep up the good work and fuck on Brothers!

Dog Rice, Varoom, CoolHand, OBX, ChiGuy606 , King Greg, Spitfire, Joes Party, to name a few more.

My current participation has dwindled to one FB I see for $ / pop once / week or so.

ATF#4 went back to her husband and has gone dark. SO has been keeping too close an eye on me to do much Sugaring sadly. I miss those nubile young things and penetrating new pussies.

So yes, I like living vicariously through all you active Mongers. Keep it up (literally!).

So I laugh at some of the things SB tell me. My favorite is when they say they won't do pay for play because they don't want to.

Feel like a hooker! Aww how adorable! I guess when they get paid for having sex it isn't the.

Same as if an escort does it. Ok. Don't get me wrong I do know the differences between.

A SB and an escort but come on! When you boil down to the very.

Core of the matter there isn't that much of a difference. So with that said what is the funniest thing.

A SB has told you?

It's been a while since I've checked in, mostly because things have been quiet. I still have my one regular girl, who is getting married in May, but just told me the other day she has "feelings" for me. That came on the heels of her finding out I was at dinner with a pot-she actually seemed quite jealous! This despite the fact that she is engaged and I know that has had at least one out of town SD that she still sees intermittently. But she is a cute little spinner and at 500 a month I will keep her around for a while.

I've been really busy worth work and so haven't put too much effort into the bowl lately, though I have been on several M&G's, none of which panned out. I met up with a couple of girls who were significantly heavier than they looked in their pictures, and that's a deal breaker for me. At least one of those was going to be a GPS nightmare, anyway. I have had several girls respond with interest, communicate for a while and then just vanish. I also met with a 36 year old MILF who was looking for more of a relationship than a SD. That's older than I normally go for, but having read several comments about the benefits of maturity on this thread, and being a little tired of the flakes, I thought I would give her a try. After three weeks of texting and emails that grew steadily more flirtatious, we met for lunch. She was tiny, and though not beautiful, very presentable. We chatted and I asked her to a comedy club the next night. She told me she would let me know later in the day-then crickets. A couple of days later I finally I guess that's the nature of the bowl.

I'm really busy until May, so probably won't have any new stories to tell till then. Summer is slow for me, so I will return in full force.

Long time lurker checking in here, from central VA mostly sticking to the Richmond area. I've just got a single 23 yo baby from SD4 me. She seems to be mostly sane, and drama has been pretty much non existent. A single mom and self employed who from my perspective seems to be busting her ass to make her way if she can, just in the wrong market for her line of work (she knows she'll have to move at some point). I'm sure she'll trade up if the opportunity presents itself simply because I'm a good distance from her and I've made it clear enough that I'm only going to invest so much in someone who really can't travel to me or that I can't see more than 3-4 times a month. I just try to keep it 'light and airy' and don't mind enjoying a nice dinner or brunch every once in a while and she doesn't seem to mind either. If nothing else, it needs to be at some level edifying, not adding to the stress of our everyday lives.

I'd just take a moment to say thanks to all of those loquacious members who are so willing to share both the good and the bad. Like many of you, I'm not much on the escort scene. I'd rather work to build some sort of connection and I don't mind investing what time I can into cultivating that.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2025243]So I laugh at some of the things SB tell me. My favorite is when they say they won't do pay for play because they don't want to.

Feel like a hooker! Aww how adorable! I guess when they get paid for having sex it isn't the.

Same as if an escort does it. Ok. Don't get me wrong I do know the differences between.

A SB and an escort but come on! When you boil down to the very.

Core of the matter there isn't that much of a difference. So with that said what is the funniest thing.

A SB has told you?[/QUOTE]Just had one basically say she wanted to start with sending me nudes for money and after that we could move on to a meet. Anywho, I was like "ok" and I offered a Grant for some and she replied back her last SD paid 4 x that. I politely told her that my Grant was being generous and wished her the best of luck. She views me every day still I guess hoping I will be desperate enough to pay her the $.

[QUOTE=Velroy;2025725]Just had one basically say she wanted to start with sending me nudes for money and after that we could move on to a meet. Anywho, I was like "ok" and I offered a Grant for some and she replied back her last SD paid 4 x that. I politely told her that my Grant was being generous and wished her the best of luck. She views me every day still I guess hoping I will be desperate enough to pay her the $.[/QUOTE]Tell her you are paying in advance and attach a pdf of some money.