The Sugar World

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/36414aed-0aa8-4af7-a4be-7fab08724a98[/URL]

I've gotten messages from her on multiple accounts, all saying the following:

Hi handsome 😘 my name is Sxxxxxx. I'm single and live alone in Detroit. I loved your profile and if your willing to fly me out and get us a room I would love to spend a couple nights getting to know you and having fun. Over and over again 💦 Let me know if your interested.

I played with her a little once before telling her I'd get her hotel room as long as my name was on the room. She made up some preposterous reasons why that was a bad idea and that she'd give me a key. All I could think of was. Does anyone actually fall for that scam? If I'm not on the room she can change the key card at any time, LOL.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/cbc1808e-d71a-404e-aa14-f3875dd775f5[/URL]

Wants $6 per week. I said no thanks.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/41f8fbfe-59e5-45ec-a7fc-ea0974b3215c[/URL]

Wants $4 per meet. I passed.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/13c67870-7583-4b44-b241-29a2e7c5e462[/URL]

She's been posting under various profiles all using the word "banks" in it for some time. Anyone have any feedback on her?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ef352fec-210c-4da3-8feb-de75f48b4aa8[/URL]

Never tried but got her down to $$$ per meet. Anyone have feedback to see if she's worth it? Looks a little like Janine Lindemuller from porn in her prime.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/25246d57-bdec-4574-afa0-1941aae7da68[/URL]

Have messaged a few times, seems flaky. Met for M&G, agreed on $5 per week for multiple meets a week. Then commo fell apart. Dances at SR from what I remember. Has a couple profiles. The other one is her and a fellow stripper.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/857a44f5-38f9-4376-8739-868cfe9cf705[/URL]

Seems extremely flaky, but has the tits to make up for any shortcomings, LOL. Replies for a bit, then goes dark. Anyone have any experience?

[QUOTE=LvPacer1960;4479709][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ef352fec-210c-4da3-8feb-de75f48b4aa8[/URL]

Never tried but got her down to $$$ per meet. Anyone have feedback to see if she's worth it? Looks a little like Janine Lindemuller from porn in her prime.[/QUOTE]Great info. I've been eyeballing her. Now is it $$$ for just the meet? Or is there some BCD festivities involved?

Thanks and nice work.

[QUOTE=HpyGolky;4479739]Great info. I've been eyeballing her. Now is it $$$ for just the meet? Or is there some BCD festivities involved?

Thanks and nice work.[/QUOTE]That's for everything. I would never give a partial quote.

I have now been here for 6 weeks and I am up to my eyeballs in pussy. Girls say yes to my $ offer so fast I am thinking about lowering it. But I know that's a benchmark price so I will stick to it for now. I am sure I have gotten about 15 yes's so far. This would never happen in L. A. unless I was willing to go 50+ miles from center city to the hood burbs. You guys have it made here whether you know it or not. And when I read the latina house thread, OMG, best thing going out here. I have not partaken but I see the allure. Plus on the weekend in L. A. the girls are no-where to be seen. Weekends suck for sugaring there. But here, totally crazy. For now I have just stopped cold. At 2 FC visits a week I would have to have zero repeats to get to all my yes's. And I am a guy that likes to repeat. So a quality problem for sure, but not what I was expecting before I moved here.

But of the 9 girls I did see so far there is only one amazing girl (NP with 3 hour visits to the FC). But 3 other solid providers as well (one with very low mileage, and the other two very fun to be with). Crazy shit. I can't wait till my fortunes rise (the reason for my move here). Maybe because I don't know anyone and can't afford to do much I find it easier to focus on my work here. In L.A. I fell into the trap of living there for so many years that I had half a dozen x"s that counted on me to be physically present if they were having a problem. No such history here. Those girls drained me. Here I am not obligated to anyone (yet), and those types of relationships take years to acquire.

So all in all kinda down about being alone right now, and I hate to blow off a girl after she just agreed to fuck me for a $. But I can not stay off SA for more than a few hours at a time. As we all know it can be very addictive. I don't smoke, drink, gamble or use drugs, so pussy is my only habit/hobby. smiley face

I love reading about your exploits; I'm lurking from Northern California coast.

My curiosity is getting the better of me; what do you think is the reason for your success?

Are you physically attractive to females? Are you driving a Ferrari? Does your appearance suggest wealth like a Rolex or Patek on your wrist?

Enquiring minds want to know.

It of course is not my business and for all I know you are the proverbial Pablo Picasso "He was only 5'3" but girls could not resist his stare; Pablo Picasso was never called an 'asshole' (Repo Man).

When my house guest departs I am definitely going to try SA because I am in a college town. We shall see.

Wesley Snipes said it in a movie once: "Always bet on black!

[QUOTE=Dash;4480181]what do you think is the reason for your success?[/QUOTE]Reasons for Success?

APPEARANCE

1 - not bad looking
2 - definitely in shape. Not gym rat style. Just eat healthy and stay slender. BMI about 22
3 - good haircut - clean shaven - professional looking
4 - car - older but clean european sports car
5 - clothes - jeans and t-shirt only

APPROACH

1 - talk like an experienced SD
2 - chill laid back approach
3 - sexy without being sexual (flirty) - will admit to being skilled but only in the most general way - never talk about my package (ever)
4 - appeal to their common sense and fantasies at the same time
5 - no big money talk or crazy promises - just a hard working regular guy here - keepin it real

If any girl ever asks a direct question about my looks, sexual prowess, or package size, my answer is always the same "I'm above average" or "girls like me"... that's it.

MY 5 STEP PLAN

1 - send your intro letter. A brief description of you and what you are looking for. Then end it with a question regarding their interest level so far.

2 - if they express an interest, start to qualify them as to your allowance $ amount. Ask them if (whatever amount / range) seems reasonable.

3 - if they say they are still interested, let them know you think they are attractive, and more specifically the type of arrangement you are looking for and the exact amount you are willing to spend per date.

4 - if they are still interested, ask them to txt or email you for the details of what this first date will be like.

5 - when they txt or email, let them know that a simple M&G will only allow you to pay for the out of pocket expense (food, drink, etc). But if they agree to a paid date that would require a certain level of physical intimacy. And best if you describe that in detail. I always ask for little knowing that more will happen 50% of more of the time. Sometimes a whole lot more.

The advantages for asking for some light physical intimacy are semi-obvious. You can offer a lower $ amount in general while possibly getting a higher level of intimacy than requested. This dynamic my change if the girl decides she is ready to go all in, as she try to upsell. And then at that point you may have to make your final decision as to what you are ultimately willing to spend.

Me? I pay my $ a date period the end, take it or leave it. And I still have more girls than time to fuck them.

Sometimes I start out on step 3, but that is only because I have years of experience and know when I can just cut to the chase asap. But no matter how over confident I get that I have a slam dunk I never (or very rarely) cut out setps 4 & 5 (that is almost always a big mistake).

Also I am very big on compliments, I have rarely (maybe never) met a pretty girl that ever tires of hearing how beautiful and sexy she is. What a sweet nice girl she is. And what a good girl for Daddy she is. While we are doing it of course I encourage them with some sexy talk, but I rarely if ever talk about how good they are in the FC after the fact. When I am finished I usually just say "thank you baby". That's it. Also I am not a big sexter, if you want it, come and get it, fuck talking about it.

Also i do not bat 1000. I have a high enough success rate, but that is because I am not afraid of rejection or a less than perfect date. I hit up as many girls as I need to to get a willing partner. And I am willing to breeze through as many girls as it takes to find a winner. So far I got pretty lucky here, finding one infatuated NP and a couple of reliable providers.

Also I just want to add that I had basically no game at all when I started in the sugar bowl. I got a normal amount of decent pussy, normal for a ok looking nerd with no game that is. Married my second wife because she was attractive and sexy and figured I could never do better. She was good enough in the FC and so I stayed moderately satisfied for years. Of course the internet changed everything. But I still didn't catch on until relatively late in the game. But the old saying that you can't teach an old dog new tricks is total BS. I stumbled and bumbled and GPS'ed until I finally found my groove. I didn't really find this board until I was a bit on my way. And I have learned a lot reading many various threads since then.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/607f37bd-92d5-4c9e-bc59-4dc6409d06af[/URL]

Seems pretty cool but definitely stuck on $4 for a PPM so I passed.

[QUOTE=Dash;4480181]
It of course is not my business and for all I know you are the proverbial Pablo Picasso "He was only 5'3" but girls could not resist his stare; Pablo Picasso was never called an 'asshole' (Repo Man).[/QUOTE]I don't think I will ever again hear someone quote the Modern Lovers anywhere on this board. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=LvPacer1960;4480606][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/607f37bd-92d5-4c9e-bc59-4dc6409d06af[/URL]

Seems pretty cool but definitely stuck on $4 for a PPM so I passed.[/QUOTE]Do you mean $.4 or $$$$ ?

How do you word your arrangement discussion on SA? If you mention PPM or similar they will ban you for soliciting. I try to be sly saying things like we can talk about frequency and amounts later then discuss in in text / email off of SA but you waste so much time with GPS that it feels like it would be more efficient to be up front if you can keep from getting kicked off.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4480306]Reasons for Success?

APPEARANCE

1 - not bad looking
2 - definitely in shape. Not gym rat style. Just eat healthy and stay slender. BMI about 22
3 - good haircut - clean shaven - professional looking
4 - car - older but clean european sports car
5 - clothes - jeans and t-shirt only

APPROACH

1 - talk like an experienced SD
2 - chill laid back approach
3 - sexy without being sexual (flirty) - will admit to being skilled but only in the most general way - never talk about my package (ever)
4 - appeal to their common sense and fantasies at the same time
5 - no big money talk or crazy promises - just a hard working regular guy here - keepin it real

If any girl ever asks a direct question about my looks, sexual prowess, or package size, my answer is always the same "I'm above average" or "girls like me"... that's it.

MY 5 STEP PLAN

1 - send your intro letter. A brief description of you and what you are looking for. Then end it with a question regarding their interest level so far.

2 - if they express an interest, start to qualify them as to your allowance $ amount. Ask them if (whatever amount / range) seems reasonable...[/QUOTE]

Ok so here is where I am at this week. My first girl, the California Stoner, I am letting go finally. I never put my finger on it last week, but, other than the sex, she made me feel kinda miserable like I was on a date with my exwife. I didn't need her to be fake about it, but she said she nearly cancelled because she didn't feel good (which translated to being bored and weird and rude) and, for us, maybe she should have. I bowed out of our appointment for this week, and I am probably just done with my time with her.

Sadly, my cheerleader has told me she is out of commission this week with Aunt Flo. Which is a big bummer, I was planning to take her out for fun this week because she is an amazing piece of arm candy. Hopefully see her again soon. Says she will get back to me, fingers crossed because she is incredible in the sack and reminds me of Alexa Bliss.

So I worked up some replacements for this week. First up, today I skipped a M&G with a model looking hottie that I think wanted investments in her business. I wasn't feeling the expensive brunch place she picked and I got the impression that beyond the M&G GPS likely awaited. If not, she seemed like too hot and weirdly that isn't my type.

I really decided to hold off because of two prospects for the week. The first is My Queen, young, funny impressive black woman who hasn't even broached the topic of $ yet, but we are meeting on Tuesday for dinner and she knows I have a room and she is down, so, we will see. She has been fun to talk to, and texts me a lot. I like that And really like her, almost seems like a regular dating fwb thing may arise.

Second one is on Thursday, young girl, 20 thick and busty, took the Hollywood Guy tact and it seems to be working out. Seeing her for $. Easy to work with if she comes through and I have a couple on the backburner if she flakes on the day.

[QUOTE=EagleLuver;4481171]How do you word your arrangement discussion on SA? If you mention PPM or similar they will ban you for soliciting. I try to be sly saying things like we can talk about frequency and amounts later then discuss in in text / email off of SA but you waste so much time with GPS that it feels like it would be more efficient to be up front if you can keep from getting kicked off.[/QUOTE]You can ask a girl what her expectation$'s are with out talking about what yours are. Right?. So once you determine her $ amount then take her to txt or email to spell the rest of it out for her. Half the girls I speak to know the score. The other half usually just ghost me at that point.

[QUOTE=LvPacer1960;4479731][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/857a44f5-38f9-4376-8739-868cfe9cf705[/URL]

Seems extremely flaky, but has the tits to make up for any shortcomings, LOL. Replies for a bit, then goes dark. Anyone have any experience?[/QUOTE]This is like her 3rd profile. Also the pix don't match--different girls. Same experience--couple of nibbles then ghost.

[QUOTE=LvPacer1960;4479678][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/36414aed-0aa8-4af7-a4be-7fab08724a98[/URL]

I've gotten messages from her on multiple accounts, all saying the following:

Hi handsome 😘 my name is Sxxxxxx. I'm single and live alone in Detroit. I loved your profile and if your willing to fly me out and get us a room I would love to spend a couple nights getting to know you and having fun. Over and over again 💦 Let me know if your interested.

I played with her a little once before telling her I'd get her hotel room as long as my name was on the room. She made up some preposterous reasons why that was a bad idea and that she'd give me a key. All I could think of was. Does anyone actually fall for that scam? If I'm not on the room she can change the key card at any time, LOL.[/QUOTE]I had the same experience-hyper sexual message--fly me out BJ's all weekend, etc. Her name is SXXXXXX CXXXXS and she lives in Detroit and she does go to Vegas-stays at Luxor, Flamingo. She has a kid and a boyfriend so this might be some kind of escapist shit. She kept texting me so many times I had to block her. Absolutely relentless.

I am not into getting peed on but I love watching my girls go # 1. (ATF in pic).

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4481768]You can ask a girl what her expectation$'s are with out talking about what yours are. Right?. So once you determine her $ amount then take her to txt or email to spell the rest of it out for her. Half the girls I speak to know the score. The other half usually just ghost me at that point.[/QUOTE]Maybe I'm mistaken. Per my understanding even asking a girl as to what her expectation $$$ are could potentially get you banned. Is this not correct?

I think you have to take those conversations off the site tbh. Most but the pros seems to not want to discuss numbers on the site.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;4482254]Maybe I'm mistaken. Per my understanding even asking a girl as to what her expectation $$$ are could potentially get you banned. Is this not correct?[/QUOTE]I just ask what they are looking for in general, dollar wise. I also let them know that some guys on the site will offer hundreds or more per date. But that my offer will be less. I then wait for their reply (if there is one), I then let them know that I pay $ per date. Never saying what a date is, just acknowledging that it is for their time. Thats all. When they agree or want to know what a date is I take them to email or txt. So I get rid of the GPS girls pretty fast. But I still have to send a couple of more messages to get rid of the dreamers that think they are going to get a $ just to do the M&G at a starbucks. In 8 or 10 years on that site I have never lost a profile. But I have had a few as I change them from time to time.

[QUOTE=LvPacer1960;4482260]I think you have to take those conversations off the site tbh. Most but the pros seems to not want to discuss numbers on the site.[/QUOTE]This is my experience too. The pros want to talk $$ and meet you right now. I try and avoid. I also never talk $$ on the site anymore as that is what got my original profile banned. I try and get to text as quick as possible to discuss there.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;4482254]Maybe I'm mistaken. Per my understanding even asking a girl as to what her expectation $$$ are could potentially get you banned. Is this not correct?[/QUOTE]I've been banned at least 5 times on SA. Including simple reference to pay per meet. Now I always ask to take off line with a comment like. "If you want to discuss details text me at #.

If a girl brings it up first I usually won't respond. Key is don't piss the girls off and they report you. The site pretty much takes any report from girls as fact and results in you being banned. There is no appeal or warning. And you have to sign up using new email and different credit card. They track cards for former accounts that have been banned.

And paying above 300 per meet is just ridiculous guys. Don't do it. Just inflates expectations.

[QUOTE=LvPacer1960;4482260]I think you have to take those conversations off the site tbh. Most but the pros seems to not want to discuss numbers on the site.[/QUOTE]Time and again I have come across many SA girls telling me that they would be willing to share their digits only perhaps after the initial date or after getting to know me better. What crap! Not sure if they're so dumb or that they play hard to get! Then I tell them I don't really care to know their real digits that they can always get a free text app on their phone. I tell them that would make things easier to connect as I'm overwhelmed with msgs on SA and I don't get to it often. Though the real reason is I don't want to get banned for talking shop there. LOL.

Thank you for your informative answer to my question.

In S. Florida I developed a fetish for chocolate so thank you also for those pictures. Jesus they're hot.

Always surprised when I hear this. Most girls want to take it to text pretty quickly in my experience. However, I try to be charming and funny and give them someone they want to talk to. I like the flirting and the chase as much as the end result. 2 ell maybe not as much.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;4482463]Time and again I have come across many SA girls telling me that they would be willing to share their digits only perhaps after the initial date or after getting to know me better. What crap! Not sure if they're so dumb or that they play hard to get! Then I tell them I don't really care to know their real digits that they can always get a free text app on their phone. I tell them that would make things easier to connect as I'm overwhelmed with msgs on SA and I don't get to it often. Though the real reason is I don't want to get banned for talking shop there. LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lebruno;4482463]Time and again I have come across many SA girls telling me that they would be willing to share their digits only perhaps after the initial date or after getting to know me better. What crap! Not sure if they're so dumb or that they play hard to get! Then I tell them I don't really care to know their real digits that they can always get a free text app on their phone. I tell them that would make things easier to connect as I'm overwhelmed with msgs on SA and I don't get to it often. Though the real reason is I don't want to get banned for talking shop there. LOL.[/QUOTE]If they won't take the conversation off line to text then I cut and move on. Just this morning I started conversation with a new girl, after a few PM's we took off line and meeting up in an hour for coffee and back to her place. I'll report back how that goes a bit later.

[QUOTE=Dash;4482574]Thank you for your informative answer to my question.

In S. Florida I developed a fetish for chocolate so thank you also for those pictures. Jesus they're hot.[/QUOTE]What little I have looked there are some prime AA girls in central and south FL. Here is one I used to live with from orlando a few years ago. Started as a SB then became a paying tenant. Your post made me go dig out her pics. Speaking of which I deleted so many girls pics from the past (so sorry I did that now). Except for one gilf this is the oldest girl I ever dated off of SA. She is 35 in these pics.

I am so bored. I just keep setting up with girls I can't afford to date right now. If I see a real winner, an NP, that's sex starved and begging for it. Then maybe. I got my H.S. Sweetheart once a week. Still the best tasting pussy outside my ATF, its actually a 9 for sure (maybe a 10). And looks wise, a 10 for sure. I will get a close up and then you can judge for yourself. Its so smooth it feels like it never had a hair on it. IDk how she does it so perfectly. Some girls are just amazing at that, others not so much.

I just finished watching the sopranos, all 9 million episodes. Supposedly they don't eat pussy. Maybe that's why they are all so overweight, trying to make up for it with food. And funny, but the only guy that admits to eating pussy (uncle june), not overweight.

And I swear there are a quarter the amount of girls here compared to L.A. but twice the action. I should have moved here after the big crash. Hindsight is 20/20. And those latina houses I keep reading about. In L.A. they have the same thing except its all asian at twice the price and not easy for a white man to get in.

And this one just fav'd me. Her profile reads pretty straight forward. But I am not gonna reply to her. I bet for $.5 to $$ she could be an OK time. Kinda sexy looking.

https://www.seeking.com/member/6d28ff48-c5b2-48cb-8979-75124bcb8d7f

Since getting rejected by my workout / promo model, I've been relegated to the lower end of my rotation, and have not had success in adding anyone new, nor much interest in seeing the ones already there.

Over the weekend, I found 3 new prospects, and since today was my only free afternoon this week, I figured WTF and scheduled M / G's with them all for today, subject to confirmation. Two for 1:00 (actually at the same place, which was probably a mistake) and the 3rd for 3:00 at a place about 5 miles away. Well, sure enough both the 1:00 pm girls flaked, but was able to move the 3:00 girl to 2:30.

Wow. Better than her pics -- and her pics are amazing. Absolutely model material -- body a 9, face maybe a 9+. 25 years old, amazing tattoos; just quit her job at a dispensary and needed funds. Accepted my offer of immediate part-time employment, LOL, and had the use of a friend's apartment 5 minutes from where we met. We were there within a 1/2 hour of initial meeting. No limitations / inhibitions that I encountered -- even an eventual promise of the nastiest of nasties, though not today. Multi-orgasmic -- 4 by my count. A little pricier than I'm used to but well well worth the tariff. Return visit set for Friday.

[QUOTE=LvPacer1960;4479689][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/41f8fbfe-59e5-45ec-a7fc-ea0974b3215c[/URL]

Wants $4 per meet. I passed.[/QUOTE]She's really cute. On HX I never counter offer but on Seeking I do. It has worked about 30% of the time or more. Some get pissed off but others will lower their offer.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1cd10be3-4580-4b55-9590-602799581ab1[/URL]

Very cute pics. Anyone have any info on her?

[QUOTE=LargeEss;4483303]She's really cute. On HX I never counter offer but on Seeking I do. It has worked about 30% of the time or more. Some get pissed off but others will lower their offer.[/QUOTE]I did counter. Wasn't willing to come down. I didn't want to waste my time at that point.

[QUOTE=LvPacer1960;4483351][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1cd10be3-4580-4b55-9590-602799581ab1[/URL]

Very cute pics. Anyone have any info on her?[/QUOTE]Yes, she quoted me $1 k for overnight. I didn't counter. She texts me from time to time, but I continue to ghost her. She's probably willing to take less, but even at $5 I will pass.

[QUOTE=LargeEss;4483303]She's really cute. On HX I never counter offer but on Seeking I do. It has worked about 30% of the time or more. Some get pissed off but others will lower their offer.[/QUOTE]Hey bro wassup? Vegas rocks BTW. Its like endless pussy, and you know me I am not even searching in the big pond at all. Just my usual demographic.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4482266] In 8 or 10 years on that site I have never lost a profile. But I have had a few as I change them from time to time.[/QUOTE]Ah that's something I'm just pondering about. My current SA profile is about 3 years old and I haven't had any problems of being banned or warned until now. That said I notice some gents have the habit of changing profile at each renewal or even maintain more than one active profile at the same time. I am trying to understand in what ways does it help to Create a new profile and show up as a 'new' Daddy in the scene? Do girls tend to flock more to newer daddys? Wouldn't the new profile need to be associated with a different email and phone number? While I'm tempted to create a new profile I also realize I would miss all the notes history from my old profile. Also, really want to understand the Pros and Cons before taking a plunge!