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[QUOTE=KPlank;3907637]I have been working SA for about 3 weeks now, and it seems like every girl I have set things up with has totally flaked on me, or has tried scamming me.
I hate doing this, but could anyone PM me info on a reliable girl they don't mind sharing? It would be greatly appreciated!
I will continue pursuing on SA, and will share it I finally find someone that is not a flake![/QUOTE]SA has went down hill a bit since BP went down.
Call me impatient, but I abandoned ship and left my ninety dollars on board after less than one week. It seemed to me that the overwhelming majority of girls expected between 400 and 500 for an introductory meeting. Some girls pretended to be paragons of virtue until I made an offer in that range, just to see it they would make like hungry fish and bite, which they did. There were some who arrogantly proclaimed that they received more than that for a completely platonic introduction, the biggest offender on that swollen ego train being a blue eyed brunette from West Bloomfield whose name has a reference to a feline in it. Talked to one girl who was my half motivation for joining, since she was a dead ringer for a high school crush, albeit a bit older. Her name is made up of three vowels followed by the last letter of the alphabet. I had the misfortune of attempting to converse with her. She told me about what a good mother she was, about all the chaos in her life, about how she just became unemployed and was living out of her vehicle. She seemed out of it and / or paranoid and angry on the phone, and seemed to want to distance herself psychologically from what she was doing or trying to do by never naming it. Oh, and she flaked and disappeared, and then got angry at me several times hours later in random texts. There were a few who threw out more realistic numbers but I wasn't interested. If a girl expects that much, do I really have any reason to believe that her "donation" is going to mean that her skill level and willingness to actually give a positive experience will be off the charts? Or does it just mean that she has an insanely inflated view of her own appeal and of her abilities? I guess I decided not to find out, since I would feel like a damn fool if I dropped that much on a girl. Post-orgasmic regret is a real thing. At least with the less venal girls from the less prestigious sites, you don't have to contend with such an appalling, chronic pandemic of golden pussy syndrome.
[QUOTE=SpitzerWeiner2;3910511]Call me impatient, but I abandoned ship and left my ninety dollars on board after less than one week. It seemed to me that the overwhelming majority of girls expected between 400 and 500 for an introductory meeting. Some girls pretended to be paragons of virtue until I made an offer in that range, just to see it they would make like hungry fish and bite, which they did. There were some who arrogantly proclaimed that they received more than that for a completely platonic introduction, the biggest offender on that swollen ego train being a blue eyed brunette from West Bloomfield whose name has a reference to a feline in it. Talked to one girl who was my half motivation for joining, since she was a dead ringer for a high school crush, albeit a bit older. Her name is made up of three vowels followed by the last letter of the alphabet. I had the misfortune of attempting to converse with her. She told me about what a good mother she was, about all the chaos in her life, about how she just became unemployed and was living out of her vehicle. She seemed out of it and / or paranoid and angry on the phone, and seemed to want to distance herself psychologically from what she was doing or trying to do by never naming it. Oh, and she flaked and disappeared, and then got angry at me several times hours later in random texts. There were a few who threw out more realistic numbers but I wasn't interested. If a girl expects that much, do I really have any reason to believe that her "donation" is going to mean that her skill level and willingness to actually give a positive experience will be off the charts? Or does it just mean that she has an insanely inflated view of her own appeal and of her abilities? I guess I decided not to find out, since I would feel like a damn fool if I dropped that much on a girl. Post-orgasmic regret is a real thing. At least with the less venal girls from the less prestigious sites, you don't have to contend with such an appalling, chronic pandemic of golden pussy syndrome.[/QUOTE]Your story is not unusual mate. That's became the pattern from most girls on SA not to mention all the fake profiles, flakiness and GPS.
Girls saying things like my last arrangement was $5 k / month, $100 for my phone number, for our first date (only drinks and nothing more) I expect $200 just to see if you're serious and many other stupid requests.
Your experience is no different. The GPS are obvious from the title they use or how they describe themselves. 'Goddess", "no one like me", "Not like others". I can't say I have done better, but it comes with the territory of having a cat. Alot of them are no better than SW who cash and dash, they're just making it known. I haven't spend a dime on SA but already have a couple with potential (sending / receiving texts).
Are you able to rout your remaining days into my account so your money will not go to waste. Haha.
[QUOTE=SpitzerWeiner2;3910511]Call me impatient, but I abandoned ship and left my ninety dollars on board after less than one week. It seemed to me that the overwhelming majority of girls expected between 400 and 500 for an introductory meeting. Some girls pretended to be paragons of virtue until I made an offer in that range, just to see it they would make like hungry fish and bite, which they did. There were some who arrogantly proclaimed that they received more than that for a completely platonic introduction, the biggest offender on that swollen ego train being a blue eyed brunette from West Bloomfield whose name has a reference to a feline in it. Talked to one girl who was my half motivation for joining, since she was a dead ringer for a high school crush, albeit a bit older. Her name is made up of three vowels followed by the last letter of the alphabet. I had the misfortune of attempting to converse with her. She told me about what a good mother she was, about all the chaos in her life, about how she just became unemployed and was living out of her vehicle. She seemed out of it and / or paranoid and angry on the phone, and seemed to want to distance herself psychologically from what she was doing or trying to do by never naming it. Oh, and she flaked and disappeared, and then got angry at me several times hours later in random texts. There were a few who threw out more realistic numbers but I wasn't interested. If a girl expects that much, do I really have any reason to believe that her "donation" is going to mean that her skill level and willingness to actually give a positive experience will be off the charts? Or does it just mean that she has an insanely inflated view of her own appeal and of her abilities? I guess I decided not to find out, since I would feel like a damn fool if I dropped that much on a girl. Post-orgasmic regret is a real thing. At least with the less venal girls from the less prestigious sites, you don't have to contend with such an appalling, chronic pandemic of golden pussy syndrome.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gilfoyle2;3910882]Your experience is no different. The GPS are obvious from the title they use or how they describe themselves. 'Goddess", "no one like me", "Not like others". I can't say I have done better, but it comes with the territory of having a cat. Alot of them are no better than SW who cash and dash, they're just making it known. I haven't spend a dime on SA but already have a couple with potential (sending / receiving texts).
Are you able to rout your remaining days into my account so your money will not go to waste. Haha.[/QUOTE]Don't be surprised if those "potential" sugar babies turn up to be scammers, fake profiles or even if you talk / text with them they will flake out at the last minute.
Been there done that.
[QUOTE=Robertin75;3910861]Your story is not unusual mate. That's became the pattern from most girls on SA not to mention all the fake profiles, flakiness and GPS.
Girls saying things like my last arrangement was $5 k / month, $100 for my phone number, for our first date (only drinks and nothing more) I expect $200 just to see if you're serious and many other stupid requests.[/QUOTE]Trying to figure out how to say this the right way, I don't dispute your experience, but I really haven't found SA to be that frustrating. I've occasionally experienced the things that you describe, but I've also found plenty that seem to know exactly how this should work. I usually state my offer first and if they don't just accept it, I move on. Some stand me up, but most show up. Of the ones that show up, some are dead fish just waiting for it to be over, others require protection, and the others, well the others become regulars. I have plans with regulars the first three days of this week and might see a first-timer on Thursday.
My experience is that it is 50/50 in whether they require an initial meeting in public. Some are more concerned about being seen in public than I am (the age difference is huge). Most don't ask for any compensation for a public meeting, but if I like them and want to see them again, I give them a little something at the end of the meeting.
I do avoid profiles with "treat me like the princess / queen that I am" or any profile that talks about all the things that they want without any hint of what they are willing to give. Most that I go to have the "friends with benefits" tag.
Ohh yeah. I'm not keeping my hope high. Most who are there know well why they are there. Scammers and imposters surfaces pretty quickly. Also I looked up the mentioned person blue eyes brunette and sure enough she had Favored me but never replied to her as her posts is obvious GPS.
Good luck fellas.
[QUOTE=Robertin75;3910957]Don't be surprised if those "potential" sugar babies turn up to be scammers, fake profiles or even if you talk / text with them they will flake out at the last minute.
Been there done that.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FCooper;3910959]Trying to figure out how to say this the right way, I don't dispute your experience, but I really haven't found SA to be that frustrating. I've occasionally experienced the things that you describe, but I've also found plenty that seem to know exactly how this should work. I usually state my offer first and if they don't just accept it, I move on. Some stand me up, but most show up. Of the ones that show up, some are dead fish just waiting for it to be over, others require protection, and the others, well the others become regulars. I have plans with regulars the first three days of this week and might see a first-timer on Thursday.
My experience is that it is 50/50 in whether they require an initial meeting in public. Some are more concerned about being seen in public than I am (the age difference is huge). Most don't ask for any compensation for a public meeting, but if I like them and want to see them again, I give them a little something at the end of the meeting.
I do avoid profiles with "treat me like the princess / queen that I am" or any profile that talks about all the things that they want without any hint of what they are willing to give. Most that I go to have the "friends with benefits" tag.[/QUOTE]What I meant is that it takes time to find real and reliable sugar babies. I have a few ones that I see regularly but it took me about 3 months of bite and switch to find them.
Also to each their own but I will never ever give money (or as you state "a little extra something") just to meet. All of the girls that I have meet at a public place just to get to know each other I only pay for drinks / dinner just like in vanilla dating.
Most of the time they are the ones who suggest to just grab some coffee or tea and these are the ones which I have had good arrangements with.
[B]Here are a few SA tips that might help.[/B]
1) SA takes time, patience, and some common sense. You have to slow down a bit to find what you're looking for. Sure 90% of the girls aren't going to pan out.
2) Stop going after the hottest women on the site, if she's a 9 or a 10 odds are she already has 100 guys with money to burn and no common sense or backbone (willing to over pay) contacting her. Go for a 6 or 7 that's a little harder up for cash.
3) Be prepared to work around her schedule. Most of these girls need money [U]NOW[/U], not two days from now. If she turns down your offer of 200/300 then tell her that's a standing offer and that you're always available, she'll need that 200/300 sooner or later. If you're the type of monger that's not always available then this isn't going to work for you. If you want her to work around your schedule then it's going to cost you more money. Example: If her car is running fine and her rent is paid she's going to want top dollar, but when her cars in the shop and there's an eviction notice on her door she's going to contact you and ask if you would still like to see her.
4) Have the balls to [U]WALK[/U], as soon as she starts that I need money for my number or money just to meet BS pull the plug and walk.
5) Tell her you're willing to meet ASAP for a drink just to break the ice and see where it goes. This will show her that you're not just some dude sitting in your moms basement wasting her time.
If anyone has more please add them.
[QUOTE=Checkers123;3911572][B]Here are a few SA tips that might help.[/B]
1) SA takes time, patience, and some common sense. You have to slow down a bit to find what you're looking for. Sure 90% of the girls aren't going to pan out.
2) Stop going after the hottest women on the site, if she's a 9 or a 10 odds are she already has 100 guys with money to burn and no common sense or backbone (willing to over pay) contacting her. Go for a 6 or 7 that's a little harder up for cash.
3) Be prepared to work around her schedule. Most of these girls need money [U]NOW[/U], not two days from now. If she turns down your offer of 200/300 then tell her that's a standing offer and that you're always available, she'll need that 200/300 sooner or later. If you're the type of monger that's not always available then this isn't going to work for you. If you want her to work around your schedule then it's going to cost you more money. Example: If her car is running fine and her rent is paid she's going to want top dollar, but when her cars in the shop and there's an eviction notice on her door she's going to contact you and ask if you would still like to see her.
4) Have the balls to [U]WALK[/U], as soon as she starts that I need money for my number or money just to meet BS pull the plug and walk.
5) Tell her you're willing to meet ASAP for a drink just to break the ice and see where it goes. This will show her that you're not just some dude sitting in your moms basement wasting her time.
If anyone has more please add them.[/QUOTE]6) Actually say something more than "hey" in your first message.
7) Don't request private photos immediately.
8) Either avoid new profiles or at least recognize that they get the most messages in the first 24 hours that they are on the site, especially young attractive women.
Don't let the first weeks on SA discourage you. My first week was a disaster. I almost pulled the trigger for a couple unappealing women, but thankfully I waited. At one point I was talking to a chick who was 100% bald and had a wig lmao. But I noticed that as each week passed, the women messaging me or responding to my messages got more and more appealing. Moral of the story: don't pull the trigger early and don't get discouraged early.
I focused mainly on profiles that listed "friends with benefits" or "NSA. " At the time I used SA there was a way to see what type of money chicks were looking for. The best option for what I was looking for was "negotiable / open. " I tended to avoided women who were asking for the higher tiers, unless they messaged me first. It won't take long to figure out who is looking for meets, who probably wants to meet in public first, who wants to just be friends, etc.
Make a list of chicks who are looking for FWB / NSA, then start sending them all a similar message; tailor it a bit to make it clear you read their profile though.
1) Always mention that you're very busy due to work, travel a lot, and would like to meet whenever you're in town. That way you make it clear out the gate you won't be meeting weekly and are not an exclusive option (ie you eliminate girls who are looking for one guy to take care of them).
2) Ask if they are interested in hotel meets, and then SELL it effectively. For instance, after you've gotten the pleasantries and small talk out the way: "would you be interested in hotel meets? I'll have food, drinks, Netflix, and we can have some fun. I'd love to meet a couple times a month or so, depending on my schedule. ".
Always remember, most of these women are not escorts and more importantly, they don't want to be treated like escorts. You have to sell them on more than sex, even if sex is all you want. I've had chicks on there show me the type of messages they get and most are very aggressive and rude and sometimes disgusting (saw one where a guy asked if she could poop on him for $50). Just coming across NORMAL and non creepy will get you what you want. Mix in questions about her profile ("so, how do you like nursing school?") alongside the sex / meet questions. A large portion of women on the site haven't done this much, and the minute you make them feel like an escort they'll block you. So be careful and you'll find what you want.
3) I'm sure there are girls on there who will go to any hotel but a lot will expect more. You want to pick somewhere that makes you look good. You want to make the experience as calm and nice as possible. Always remember, the college chicks on SA are not well off. They're probably living in a shitty dorm or have a shitty roommate near campus. Give them a nice room, Netflix, some snacks, drinks, food, etc and they will stay longer than negotiated. I've had multiple chicks stay hours longer. I've had two arrangements where they spend the night. But they aren't going to do that at a shitty hotel, so you have to make the hotel work for you.
Think about it as a vacation for yourself. I love picking days where I have nothing to do and can just chill at the hotel all night, and don't have to rush in the morning. Especially with football season back. I'll see a girl on a Saturday and watch college football and eat pizza when she leaves. And who knows maybe she'll text you later that night asking if you're still at the room, and if she can come back. I've had that happen.
4) Be wary about city locations. Many women on SA will list their location in a city they don't live in, for privacy reasons. That means you might talk to a chick listed in Detroit who then tells you "BTW I'm coming from Howell and don't have a car. Can you uber me?" So make sure you figure out where she's from before you agree to anything. I've paid for Uber before, but only in a case where the chick was worth 100% it.
[QUOTE=TheBro;3911647]Don't let the first weeks on SA discourage you. My first week was a disaster. I almost pulled the trigger for a couple unappealing women, but thankfully I waited. At one point I was talking to a chick who was 100% bald and had a wig lmao. But I noticed that as each week passed, the women messaging me or responding to my messages got more and more appealing. Moral of the story: don't pull the trigger early and don't get discouraged early.
I focused mainly on profiles that listed "friends with benefits" or "NSA. " At the time I used SA there was a way to see what type of money chicks were looking for. The best option for what I was looking for was "negotiable / open. " I tended to avoided women who were asking for the higher tiers, unless they messaged me first. It won't take long to figure out who is looking for meets, who probably wants to meet in public first, who wants to just be friends, etc.
Make a list of chicks who are looking for FWB / NSA, then start sending them all a similar message; tailor it a bit to make it clear you read their profile though.
1) Always mention that you're very busy due to work, travel a lot, and would like to meet whenever you're in town. That way you make it clear out the gate you won't be meeting weekly and are not an exclusive option (ie you eliminate girls who are looking for one guy to take care of them).
2) Ask if they are interested in hotel meets, and then SELL it effectively. For instance, after you've gotten the pleasantries and small talk out the way: "would you be interested in hotel meets? I'll have food, drinks, Netflix, and we can have some fun. I'd love to meet a couple times a month or so, depending on my schedule. ".
Always remember, most of these women are not escorts and more importantly, they don't want to be treated like escorts. You have to sell them on more than sex, even if sex is all you want. I've had chicks on there show me the type of messages they get and most are very aggressive and rude and sometimes disgusting (saw one where a guy asked if she could poop on him for $50). Just coming across NORMAL and non creepy will get you what you want. Mix in questions about her profile ("so, how do you like nursing school?") alongside the sex / meet questions. A large portion of women on the site haven't done this much, and the minute you make them feel like an escort they'll block you. So be careful and you'll find what you want.
3) I'm sure there are girls on there who will go to any hotel but a lot will expect more. You want to pick somewhere that makes you look good. You want to make the experience as calm and nice as possible. Always remember, the college chicks on SA are not well off. They're probably living in a shitty dorm or have a shitty roommate near campus. Give them a nice room, Netflix, some snacks, drinks, food, etc and they will stay longer than negotiated. I've had multiple chicks stay hours longer. I've had two arrangements where they spend the night. But they aren't going to do that at a shitty hotel, so you have to make the hotel work for you.
Think about it as a vacation for yourself. I love picking days where I have nothing to do and can just chill at the hotel all night, and don't have to rush in the morning. Especially with football season back. I'll see a girl on a Saturday and watch college football and eat pizza when she leaves. And who knows maybe she'll text you later that night asking if you're still at the room, and if she can come back. I've had that happen.
4) Be wary about city locations. Many women on SA will list their location in a city they don't live in, for privacy reasons. That means you might talk to a chick listed in Detroit who then tells you "BTW I'm coming from Howell and don't have a car. Can you uber me?" So make sure you figure out where she's from before you agree to anything. I've paid for Uber before, but only in a case where the chick was worth 100% it.[/QUOTE]Well said sir. It took me a couple months of some fun trial and error, but I now have two regulars, one black, one white, in their mid 20's with great bodies and personalities. Both in the 200 range. We chill and talk before and after. Nothing forced and fun. The key is to be clear on what you want without being creepy. Most of the decent girls on SA are looking for the same thing you are, a fun time at a fair price. To all those who are complaining about the crazies, just block them and move on. The unicorns are easier to find that way LOL.
Almost every girl I meet via SA, we went straight to meeting at a notel. Two I met for lunch first and then went to the notel. One I met for drinks and after a few she invited me over to see her place, "just so I know what it looked like for our next meeting" where she proceeded to give me a bbbjcimws before I took her back to her car at the bar. The only one who didn't do anything on the first meet, we had lunch and kissed a little when I dropped her off, she then sent me some sexts and next meet was at a notel for a several hour MSOG session. Out of all 9 of them I met during my one month membership, the highest allowance was 225. Look for FWB and NSA in their profile.
[QUOTE=BigMac55;3914879]Almost every girl I meet via SA, we went straight to meeting at a notel. Two I met for lunch first and then went to the notel. One I met for drinks and after a few she invited me over to see her place, "just so I know what it looked like for our next meeting" where she proceeded to give me a bbbjcimws before I took her back to her car at the bar. The only one who didn't do anything on the first meet, we had lunch and kissed a little when I dropped her off, she then sent me some sexts and next meet was at a notel for a several hour MSOG session. Out of all 9 of them I met during my one month membership, the highest allowance was 225. Look for FWB and NSA in their profile.[/QUOTE]Not to start an argument but bbbjcimws, MSOG sounds more like SW / backpage Seeking Arrangement type of girls which now are flooding the site since the BP shutdown.
No decent college next door type of girl would ever agree to do that.
[QUOTE=Robertin75;3915293]Not to start an argument but bbbjcimws, MSOG sounds more like SW / backpage Seeking Arrangement type of girls which now are flooding the site since the BP shutdown.
No decent college next door type of girl would ever agree to do that.[/QUOTE]Well, I'm glad you recognize that an overly broad statement like this is likely to cause an argument. I've been getting bb everything for over four years on SA, well before the "flood" of SW / backpage types joined SA. These include young, college educated, job-holding beauties. My success rate has gone up and down over time, but I haven't really noticed it being better or worse lately.