Suitcase city shanking

[QUOTE=MongeringMicky;4723617]How many of those dead were vaccinated? There is a vaccine.

Fast Facts: On March 13 there were 1300 cases and 26 dead. Today, Mar 28 there are 123,000 cases and 2200 dead. On Thursday, Mar 26, there were 1000 dead. Two days later, Mar 28, the death total exceeds 2200. My point being this thing grows exponentially and there are clear indications the transmission rate is accelerating.

If the US continues on this trajectory you will have thousands a day dying next week, tens of thousands a week starting in two weeks. There is zero indication we aren't moving in this direction. When you look at the statistics pay particular attention to the #'s of critically ill. These are the people that are dying.

Back to the flu. I say this with a heavy heart, you'll likely have 20-50 k dead in the US in April alone with many cities / states still on an upward slope. All you neh sayers talk your shit now. Let's chat in May.[/QUOTE]Before you paint me as a Trumpeter I'm not, I think he's a douchebag, I also think a broken clock is right two times a day.

Here is the distribution of deaths by age in Italy.

[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105061/coronavirus-deaths-by-region-in-italy/[/URL]

Overwhelmingly the distribution is for people over 60 and once you hit 70 you REALLY start seeing that number grow. Also when you check co morbidity it's off the fucking charts skewed.

"A chart review of 355 COVID-19 patients who died in Italy revealed a high percentage with underlying diseases that could have increased their risk of death independently of the infection, the authors said.

The mean age of the patient subsample was 79.5 years (standard deviation SD, 8. 1), of whom, only 601 (30.0%) were women. Of all patients who died, 117 (30%) had ischemic heart disease, 126 (35.5%) had diabetes, 72 (20.3%) had cancer, 87 (24.5%) had atrial fibrillation, 24 (6. 8%) had dementia, and 34 (9. 6%) had had a stroke.

The mean number of comorbidities was 2. 7 (standard deviation, 1. 6). Only 3 patients (0. 8%) had no underlying diseases, 89 (25.1%) had one, 91 (25.6%) had two, and 172 (48.5%) had three or more. ".

When you talk about exponential growth it will soon run out of people over the age of 70 who are already sick. That exponential growth doesn't continue for the entire population.

Does this mean I'm cruel and heartless thinking "fuck those old people" not at all. 16% of Americans are over the age of 65. I'd kick in to help them out during this. Put them and anybody else in a risk group in lux resorts and feed them peeled grapes and caviar sandwiches with strict controls about who gets in to see them until there is a vaccine if they choose to isolate.

In the meantime the rest of us, that includes me, can get the fuck back to work, allow this bug to get into the herd, and develop immunity. Yes some people under 65 will die but some people under 65 die every year in car wrecks and we don't stop driving. 500.000 people a year, every year die from malaria and 9,000,000 people die from starvation. That's every fucking year. People die, sooner or later it's going to be me. That's the way life works.

I live in a country on lockdown, three fucking weeks of not leaving the house but we have less than 1000 cases. What will have been different after three weeks if nobody gets the virus? If you squash the curve then when you come out it just starts again.

This has to get into the herd, it's the way it works. Arresting it through artificial means doesn't stop it. Slowing it is cool to allow more people to get it, get healed, and have immunity without maxing out the medical system but people have to get it. It's here, it's not leaving.

Agreed, lets talk in May

A2.

P.S., I moved all this shit to the fight thread. If you have a link to a news report then post it on the News thread, if you just want to fight about shit and post your opinions, (like the above is my opinion, I could be wrong, I'm not a doctor) post it here.

[QUOTE=Admin2;4723957]Before you paint me as a Trumpeter I'm not, I think he's a douchebag, I also think a broken clock is right two times a day.

Here is the distribution of deaths by age in Italy.

[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105061/coronavirus-deaths-by-region-in-italy/[/URL]

Overwhelmingly the distribution is for people over 60 and once you hit 70 you REALLY start seeing that number grow. Also when you check co morbidity it's off the fucking charts skewed.

"A chart review of 355 COVID-19 patients who died in Italy revealed a high percentage with underlying diseases that could have increased their risk of death independently of the infection, the authors said.

The mean age of the patient subsample was 79.5 years (standard deviation SD, 8. 1), of whom, only 601 (30.0%) were women. Of all patients who died, 117 (30%) had ischemic heart disease, 126 (35.5%) had diabetes, 72 (20.3%) had cancer, 87 (24.5%) had atrial fibrillation, 24 (6. 8%) had dementia, and 34 (9. 6%) had had a stroke.

The mean number of comorbidities was 2. 7 (standard deviation, 1. 6). Only 3 patients (0. 8%) had no underlying diseases, 89 (25.1%) had one, 91 (25.6%) had two, and 172 (48.5%) had three or more. ".

When you talk about exponential growth it will soon run out of people over the age of 70 who are already sick. That exponential growth doesn't continue for the entire population.

Does this mean I'm cruel and heartless thinking "fuck those old people" not at all. 16% of Americans are over the age of 65. I'd kick in to help them out during this. Put them and anybody else in a risk group in lux resorts and feed them peeled grapes and caviar sandwiches with strict controls about who gets in to see them until there is a vaccine if they choose to isolate..[/QUOTE]Well said admin! People are using their political as their base of their perspective on this outbreak. Since when scientists do that? Did that happen with the numerous virus out there? There are still some providers who do bare back for anything. I am guilty of thinking with my smaller head doing this. It is more in Tampa area than anywhere that I have been. With that revelation to myself, I have withdrawn (pun intended a lot in the past 4 months). I won't post names as serves no point. Am I tempted by pussy, sure most guys are, but having bareback sex with a hooker (s) isn't smart nor safe (mu opinion). AS I like to gamble, I can't do that neither and not that hard up for pussy or gambling.

FYI: Fight thread, admin, lmfao! It is your opinion and your life choice, but don't let your choice affect someone life (A good example is you deciding to drive drunk). To all the escorts / strippers / john from all spectrum of ideologies. Stay well.

[QUOTE=Admin2;4723957]Before you paint me as a Trumpeter I'm not, I think he's a douchebag, I also think a broken clock is right two times a day.

Here is the distribution of deaths by age in Italy.

[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105061/coronavirus-deaths-by-region-in-italy/[/URL]

Overwhelmingly the distribution is for people over 60 and once you hit 70 you REALLY start seeing that number grow. Also when you check co morbidity it's off the fucking charts skewed.

"A chart review of 355 COVID-19 patients who died in Italy revealed a high percentage with underlying diseases that could have increased their risk of death independently of the infection, the authors said..[/QUOTE]Haha. Trump Monger! BS aside, good insight A2. My only retort is there isn't enough data to identify those deemed most vulnerable. While I don't disagree older populations and those with underlying illnesses are more likely to have fatal complications, there simply isn't enough data to suggest there aren't other vulnerable populations (pregnant women for example). What is particularly frightening are images of the lungs of some healthy people who've "recovered". The link I've provided below is just the first one I've found (there are several), but there is enough smoke regarding potential long term lung ailments for recovered patients that further inquiry is warranted.

There are a variety of educated way aheads regarding how to tackle this problem set. From the data I've assessed, I place more emphasis on containment than bolstering economics at this point based upon two primary factors: 1. Spread 2. Posture.

1. Spread. Damage is done in this regard. IMH non-medical O, we are too late to attempt surveillance in an effort to reduce spread. All we can hope to do is limit further distribution through self distancing. In Mickey's world, the measures required would be drafted with Dracos himself in mind, and then a scale back at the appropriate time. I know that isn't the American way. I have a number of political and ethical differences with the manner in which the Chinese do business, this ain't one of them. The scaled approach of gradually increased restrictions didn't work in Europe, it isn't working in NY, and it won't anywhere else.

2. Posture. Limited surveillance in order back track transmission in conjunction with a highly contagious virus weeks or months on the ground here in the United States makes an effective tiered approach based on risk virtually impossible. Even if you isolate vulnerable populations which I opine sounds good, but would be difficult to implement, there still needs to be some conduit between vulnerable populations and the rest of the country. With 4/5 people as potentially asymptomatic carriers, how do you determine who serves as that conduit? A negative test today might not be worth the paper its written on 30 minutes later, especially when you consider new data is emerging daily in regards to how the virus spreads. On one of the cruise vessels containing some of the first identified cases outside of mainland China, the virus was found on metal surfaces 17 days later when the initial estimate was 2-3 days.

To your point A2, the economic situation is grim and I believe it will get worse as the virus spikes for the next few months. There currently isn't a general fear in America like I've seen in Europe or Asia. That will change either this week or next. I'm thinking 30,000 - 50,000 deaths across America in April alone with a shit ton of critically ill, sick medical professionals, a shortage of ventilators, and new hot spots emerging. I think those April numbers look worse in May. My point being, the fear will sink in and at that point I don't care what federal stimulus package and / or social distancing guidelines the feds offer; the overwhelming majority of the population will be under some form of isolation via state mandate. Until we get this thing contained, I don't see the economy bouncing back. When it does bounce back, I wouldn't expect a "you" or "V" shaped recovery either. When one factors in labor and stock markets both impacted to this magnitude at the same time, I just don't see the world looking like it did Jan 1, 2020 from an economic standpoint for a very long time (18 months min, more likely years).

Good post Admin. There have been some interesting points brought up by my fellow mongers. It's good to see y'all are worth more than a few tips on how to get your dick sucked. Well, some of you. Jk jk jk.

[QUOTE=MongeringMicky;4724175]Haha. Trump Monger! BS aside, good insight A2. My only retort is there isn't enough data to identify those deemed most vulnerable. While I don't disagree older populations and those with underlying illnesses are more likely to have fatal complications, there simply isn't enough data to suggest there aren't other vulnerable populations (pregnant women for example). What is particularly frightening are images of the lungs of some healthy people who've "recovered". The link I've provided below is just the first one I've found (there are several), but there is enough smoke regarding potential long term lung ailments for recovered patients that further inquiry is warranted.

There are a variety of educated way aheads regarding how to tackle this problem set. From the data I've assessed, I place more emphasis on containment than bolstering economics at this point based upon two primary factors: 1. Spread 2. Posture.

1. Spread. Damage is done in this regard. IMH non-medical O, we are too late to attempt surveillance in an effort to reduce spread. All we can hope to do is limit further distribution through self distancing. In Mickey's world, the measures required would be drafted with Dracos himself in mind, and then a scale back at the appropriate time. I know that isn't the American way. I have a number of political and ethical differences with the manner in which the Chinese do business, this ain't one of them. The scaled approach of gradually increased restrictions didn't work in Europe, it isn't working in NY, and it won't anywhere else.

2. Posture. Limited surveillance in order back track transmission in conjunction with a highly contagious virus weeks or months on the ground here in the United States makes an effective tiered approach based on risk virtually impossible. Even if you isolate vulnerable populations which I opine sounds good, but would be difficult to implement, there still needs to be some conduit between vulnerable populations and the rest of the country. With 4/5 people as potentially asymptomatic carriers, how do you determine who serves as that conduit? A negative test today might not be worth the paper its written on 30 minutes later, especially when you consider new data is emerging daily in regards to how the virus spreads. On one of the cruise vessels containing some of the first identified cases outside of mainland China, the virus was found on metal surfaces 17 days later when the initial estimate was 2-3 days.

To your point A2, the economic situation is grim and I believe it will get worse as the virus spikes for the next few months. There currently isn't a general fear in America like I've seen in Europe or Asia. That will change either this week or next. I'm thinking 30,000 - 50,000 deaths across America in April alone with a shit ton of critically ill, sick medical professionals, a shortage of ventilators, and new hot spots emerging. I think those April numbers look worse in May. My point being, the fear will sink in and at that point I don't care what federal stimulus package and / or social distancing guidelines the feds offer; the overwhelming majority of the population will be under some form of isolation via state mandate. Until we get this thing contained, I don't see the economy bouncing back. When it does bounce back, I wouldn't expect a "you" or "V" shaped recovery either. When one factors in labor and stock markets both impacted to this magnitude at the same time, I just don't see the world looking like it did Jan 1, 2020 from an economic standpoint for a very long time (18 months min, more likely years).

Good post Admin. There have been some interesting points brought up by my fellow mongers. It's good to see y'all are worth more than a few tips on how to get your dick sucked. Well, some of you. Jk jk jk.[/QUOTE]Maybe us mongers can help the economy. Think about it, do you want go out and get laid and potentially std and this virus? Look at the monet that you will save from noe until the end of the year. We are talking into the thousands of dollars going into the economy and not into pussy.

[QUOTE=MongeringMicky;4724175]there simply isn't enough data to suggest there aren't other vulnerable populations (pregnant women for example). What is particularly frightening are images of the lungs of some healthy people who've "recovered". [/QUOTE]Yes, there is. People over the age of 65 with underlying medical conditions. People with asthma and other respiratory issues. Really fat people too.

If you're fucking pregnant than stay the fuck home.

In the US they are seizing on that one 45 year old guy in Texas who died, the one. There will be some outliers but the data is clear.

This is being driving by infection control experts on social media. All of the reasonable voices are being drowned out as people in denial.

The NY Times reported 13 deaths in a hospital as apocalyptic. 13 deaths. The apocalypse.

8,000 people on average die every day in the US so that means there will absolutely be over 50,000 deaths in April. It's going to do the same thing it did everywhere else, it's going to run through the population killing a lot of people over the age of 70 who had preexisting conditions then people like yourself are going to talk about exponential growth as if it's going to kill everybody. It's not. But before people figure that out, before wide spread testing happens and we figure out that the mortality rate is actually .00 something and reason starts prevailing I hope we haven't slid too far down the path and people can remember that the economy was fine 2 months ago and if we get back to work it will be fine again in six months.

Maybe I'm wrong, we will know by June

[QUOTE=Admin2;4723957]Before you paint me as a Trumpeter I'm not, I think he's a douchebag, I also think a broken clock is right two times a day.

Here is the distribution of deaths by age in Italy.

[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105061/coronavirus-deaths-by-region-in-italy/[/URL]

Overwhelmingly the distribution is for people over 60 and once you hit 70 you REALLY start seeing that number grow. Also when you check co morbidity it's off the fucking charts skewed.

"A chart review of 355 COVID-19 patients who died in Italy revealed a high percentage with underlying diseases that could have increased their risk of death independently of the infection, the authors said.

The mean age of the patient subsample was 79.5 years (standard deviation SD, 8. 1), of whom, only 601 (30.0%) were women. Of all patients who died, 117 (30%) had ischemic heart disease, 126 (35.5%) had diabetes, 72 (20.3%) had cancer, 87 (24.5%) had atrial fibrillation, 24 (6. 8%) had dementia, and 34 (9. 6%) had had a stroke.

The mean number of comorbidities was 2. 7 (standard deviation, 1. 6). Only 3 patients (0. 8%) had no underlying diseases, 89 (25.1%) had one, 91 (25.6%) had two, and 172 (48.5%) had three or more. ".

When you talk about exponential growth it will soon run out of people over the age of 70 who are already sick. That exponential growth doesn't continue for the entire population.

Does this mean I'm cruel and heartless thinking "fuck those old people" not at all. 16% of Americans are over the age of 65. I'd kick in to help them out during this. Put them and anybody else in a risk group in lux resorts and feed them peeled grapes and caviar sandwiches with strict controls about who gets in to see them until there is a vaccine if they choose to isolate.

In the meantime the rest of us, that includes me, can get the fuck back to work, allow this bug to get into the herd, and develop immunity. Yes some people under 65 will die but some people under 65 die every year in car wrecks and we don't stop driving. 500.000 people a year, every year die from malaria and 9,000,000 people die from starvation. That's every fucking year. People die, sooner or later it's going to be me. That's the way life works.

I live in a country on lockdown, three fucking weeks of not leaving the house but we have less than 1000 cases. What will have been different after three weeks if nobody gets the virus? If you squash the curve then when you come out it just starts again.

This has to get into the herd, it's the way it works. Arresting it through artificial means doesn't stop it. Slowing it is cool to allow more people to get it, get healed, and have immunity without maxing out the medical system but people have to get it. It's here, it's not leaving.

Agreed, lets talk in May

A2.

P.S., I moved all this shit to the fight thread. If you have a link to a news report then post it on the News thread, if you just want to fight about shit and post your opinions, (like the above is my opinion, I could be wrong, I'm not a doctor) post it here.[/QUOTE]How many people smoke cigarettes which caused lung damage and weren't diagnosed. Big problem right there.

[QUOTE=MadMax67;4724711]How many people smoke cigarettes which caused lung damage and weren't diagnosed. Big problem right there.[/QUOTE]I think that is why China, and even Europe, are getting hit hard, huge percentage of the population smoke.

[URL]https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/03/14/coronavirus-threat-hits-hard-when-it-lands-in-your-own-neighborhood/I[/URL] am not posting this to scare or dirve my stance into thew ground, but be aware and diligent as you can.

[QUOTE=Tattoo47;4725220][URL]https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/03/14/coronavirus-threat-hits-hard-when-it-lands-in-your-own-neighborhood/I[/URL] am not posting this to scare or dirve my stance into thew ground, but be aware and diligent as you can.[/QUOTE]The virus will pass. People will die. Mostly old and feeble people will die. The economy is suffering needlessly.

[QUOTE=BillyWil;4731529]The virus will pass. People will die. Mostly old and feeble people will die. The economy is suffering needlessly.[/QUOTE]Did you and skipper go to the same medical school? What is your speciality? FYI: needless people are dying for a lack or preparedness by this administration. Yeah, hookers are out there, but mongers and johns don't care (some of them) Since when a virus outbreak is soooo political, smh.

[QUOTE=BillyWil;4731529]The virus will pass. People will die. Mostly old and feeble people will die. The economy is suffering needlessly.[/QUOTE]It is not your feeble loved ones that do die from this virus. Based on this post, you can only come to the conclusion that you value money more than human's life and that is okay as your right being an USA Citizens (assumingly).

[blue]You do understand that the number of dead from the poverty that will come if the economy really crashes will be an order of magnitude greater than all of the people that would have died from corona. Right now, today, 250,000 people a year die in the USA from causes directly related to being impoverished. 10,000,000 people just lost their jobs as a result of posts like this across various social media for a virus that at this point has managed to kill .00008% of the global population. Are you aware you are helping to cause a spike in next years seasonal flu deaths because of increased homelessness, joblessness and loss of insurance.

No, you probably don't.

A2[/blue]

You do understand that the number of dead from the poverty that will come if the economy really crashes will be an order of magnitude greater than all of the people that would have died from corona. Right now, today, 250,000 people a year die in the USA from causes directly related to being impoverished. 10,000,000 people just lost their jobs as a result of posts like this across various social media for a virus that at this point has managed to kill. 00008% of the global population. Are you aware you are helping to cause a spike in next years seasonal flu deaths because of increased homelessness, joblessness and loss of insurance.

No, you probably don't.

You do understand that how can people work when they are actually sick, nah you don't get that. You do understand that, at least Florida, relies on Tourism (You won't get that either). So please, oh wise one. How can one work when 1. Government is mandating you to shut down. #2. People are sick (why it is called a virus).

No you are too involved in your own world.

[QUOTE=Tattoo47;4731694]It is not your feeble loved ones that do die from this virus. Based on this post, you can only come to the conclusion that you value money more than human's life and that is okay as your right being an USA Citizens (assumingly).

[blue]You do understand that the number of dead from the poverty that will come if the economy really crashes will be an order of magnitude greater than all of the people that would have died from corona. Right now, today, 250,000 people a year die in the USA from causes directly related to being impoverished. 10,000,000 people just lost their jobs as a result of posts like this across various social media for a virus that at this point has managed to kill .00008% of the global population. Are you aware you are helping to cause a spike in next years seasonal flu deaths because of increased homelessness, joblessness and loss of insurance.

No, you probably don't.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]An economics professor should be added to his resume' along with asshole and egomaniac.

[QUOTE=Admin2;4724691]Yes, there is. People over the age of 65 with underlying medical conditions. People with asthma and other respiratory issues. Really fat people too.

If you're fucking pregnant than stay the fuck home.

In the US they are seizing on that one 45 year old guy in Texas who died, the one. There will be some outliers but the data is clear.

This is being driving by infection control experts on social media. All of the reasonable voices are being drowned out as people in denial.[/QUOTE]I get your point regarding the economy. My assertion is the economy won't jump start until this thing is controlled. Whether or not people want to go back to work or not. The mortality rate is at a minimum 10 times higher than the flu which killed 80 k in the US in 2018 according to the CDC and COVID has no treatment or vaccine (not true of the flu). When I mentioned the 50,000 figure I was referring specifically to COVID deaths in the month of April (not typical attrition). When you factor in we have conducted a million tests for a population of 330 million, 50 k deaths in a month for a disease you've only tested. 3% of the population for is a pretty significant number. How many fatal cases of pneumonia and respiratory failure have there been in the last 2 months that have had all the indications of being COVID, but the individuals were never tested so the cause of death was never attributed? With 99.7% of the population untested, statistically thousands. We'll agree to disagree, but I'm not out in left field chasing numbers to fit a narrative. Yes, more elderly and people with underlying conditions are dying, check. I don't dispute these populations are at increased risk. Critically ill is another significant metric and 20% under the age of 45 when you have 300 k cases on the up slope is reason for concern IMHO.

Let's see.

[QUOTE=Tattoo47;4731673]Did you and skipper go to the same medical school? What is your speciality? FYI: needless people are dying for a lack or preparedness by this administration. Yeah, hookers are out there, but mongers and johns don't care (some of them) Since when a virus outbreak is soooo political, smh.[/QUOTE]If you want to call me out, spell my name correctly. Tat2 fer7.

If people die and the economy tanks, you win! Congrats!