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[QUOTE=TravelingTom;7501369]I didn't know ITC was a solid option in Detroit. Where I'm at in Ohio that very rare. This is all good information to know. Not looking for just any girls. Do like some quality. LOL.[/QUOTE]Avoid the clubs in Detroit proper. Choose the clubs in Dearborn, Inkster, Romulus, Southgate, Lincoln Park. Looks as if you haven't spent much time on the thread. You'll get the flavor of the clubs in pricing tiers a d quality of girls.
[QUOTE=MichiBob;7500870]Not familiar with Cybil. Can you give a description. Age. Height. Weight. Busty? Race? Etc.[/QUOTE]Mid 30's-Early 40's; About 5' 6'; Average (not a spinner; not fat); wasn't looking at her tits but maybe B cup; Caucasian (Brunette).
She danced with a butt plug. I didn't go back with her, but remember the name.
Off that topic: How is BTs as far as scams and robs these days? I saw a lot of reports of robs coming from there, but that was months ago. I was pleasantly surprised by SC when I hit that area a while ago, and am now curious to try BTs the next time I'm down there (which may be when the snow stops). I went once years ago, but remember nothing from that visit. I might have been in and out.
[QUOTE=PinheadLarry;7501038]It is easier to get take out at the non-extra clubs. Many of those girls will otc with someone they're comfortable with, and for much less than the extra club girls.
Usually they ask for $300 or more, while the extra girls try to start at almost double that.
YMMV.[/QUOTE]I have no issues getting take out with ladies even from extras clubs. Heck I met one 2 weeks ago at a club, took her to the back, we had a heck of a lot of fun. At the end she gave me her number and said lets do this again, but not in here. Yesterday, we made that happen. And it was the same price as in the club for a lot longer, and A LOT more fun. It can happen. I have two others I met at a different club that I am working on OTC activities for later this week.
Daze.
[QUOTE=Daze94;7501655]I have no issues getting take out with ladies even from extras clubs. Heck I met one 2 weeks ago at a club, took her to the back, we had a heck of a lot of fun. At the end she gave me her number and said lets do this again, but not in here. Yesterday, we made that happen. And it was the same price as in the club for a lot longer, and A LOT more fun. It can happen. I have two others I met at a different club that I am working on OTC activities for later this week.
Daze.[/QUOTE]Getting OTC generally takes time, and the OP will be a first time Detoit SC visitor, coming from a town (Akron) with fewer club options, and undoubtedly less attractive dancers. Makes more sense for him to hit BT's, Criket, H8 and, Bogarts, Landing Strip, and maybe Flight Club and enjoy the many offerings. FC (and to lesser extent LS and BT) will give him sticker shock. For someone new to Detroit, why not enjoy the in club action first? While it's no longer the golden era of early aughts to mid-2010's, it's still something compared to most US cities.
I've been doing this for too many years and have seen the scene from when a table dance was literally that. A stripper dancing on a table and any contact got you bounced from the "club". Hell, they weren't even clubs back then, just crappy bars with strippers. The first VIP rooms were benches along a wall where one got lap dances (Booby Trap, BT's, Tycoons, Siloz).
I.
[QUOTE=HornKnee;7501641]Off that topic: How is BTs as far as scams and robs these days? [/QUOTE]HK,
It depends, how gullible are you?
The strip club is a buyer beware environment in the purest sense of caveat emptor. The girls are determined to get your money. And most guys who walk in are pretty determined to spend money. Now the girls can earn it the way you want leaving you drained and satisfied. Or she can cheat / steal it from you. The majority of dancers don't care how they acquire money and can't really see what happens beyond the next hour. They are simply trying to earn as much money as they can right at this minute, and life has taught them to take any short cuts available.
Understand that many guys really never get cheated anymore. Some girls try and we quickly dispatch and avoid them and find a girl who doesn't cheat, or force the girl away from any option to cheat and she decides the best way to drain my wallet is to also drain my balls.
If you pay in advance the majority of girls will cheat you, even the ones who happily have regulars lined up that they do not cheat. In fact a girl you may have gone back with several times suddenly announces you need pay her in advance this time. She is basically saying I am about to cheat you. I just recently had this happen, she claimed I had to pay in advance because the last guy she took to the VIP cheated her and she has a new policy. I said I am sorry I have never cheated anyone you know we have been together 3 times and I didn't cheat you. She says there are no exceptions. I say I am sorry I was really looking forward to this dance. She let me walk all the down the hallway, I was already talking to the bouncer guy asking for my $20 back at BTs saying the girl changed her mind. She caught up with me while talking to the bouncer and says it is ok, you can pay after. I will state it was our worst session although still enjoyable, but I am pretty sure she was pissed off that I didn't let her hustle me.
You would be surprised how many dudes swear up and down on this forum that they will not pay in advance. But then when she is standing their nearly naked and smiling, looking so good, and smelling so good, and her breath is on your skin, and you have a big hard on in your pants and she says you have pay now. The guy reaches into his pocket and pays, with in 5 minutes she has disappeared, and the poor dude is posting on here about how he got cheated.
The worst part about this is most guys only bring enough money for one session, so not only is he still horny but he lacks the funds necessary get relief. Ashamed he doesn't have recourse he leave the club. This is why cheating works so well for the girls because the guys leave afterward and there are big bouncers their to protect her. The smart guy pays for whatever dances she did and understand this happens some times, it is like knowing it will snow in winter some days. But the smart guy keeps most of his money in his pocket and can pay another girl for the relief he is seeking. The club is filled with girl some who will cheat and some who will not.
If you can keep you big head functioning and don't think with your dick. You should be ok.
MM.
[QUOTE=Daze94;7501655]I have no issues getting take out with ladies even from extras clubs. Heck I met one 2 weeks ago at a club, took her to the back, we had a heck of a lot of fun. At the end she gave me her number and said lets do this again, but not in here. Yesterday, we made that happen. And it was the same price as in the club for a lot longer, and A LOT more fun. It can happen. I have two others I met at a different club that I am working on OTC activities for later this week.
Daze.[/QUOTE]Thank you Daze.
As I stated I am not an OTC guy, but I have a buddy and he does it regularly with the girls. He simply tells them he is unable to successfully perform in the tight VIP spaces and takes her back for a dance or two. Many times he has the girl on the same night he meets her or a couple days later.
Not all girls do this, many girls have offered me their numbers, but I never take them. And I suspect the majority of girls do this selectively.
My advice to anyone trying it is most nights there are some girls who don't make their tip out or cover tip out but didn't earn any money. These girls will be willing that night because they still need money.
In my opinion the youngest and hottest girls (understanding looks are subjective) make plenty of money ITC, and rarely do OTC unless a guy works on them and builds their trust. But if you don't need a specific girl but can take almost any girl, I believe you can readily find what you want. The better looking you are, the better your personality and the fatter your wallet all increase your chance of success.
MM.
Over the years, I've gotten to know a number of dancers, some of whom I eventually invited to my house and began seeing on a semi-regular basis. It was a gradual process. I needed to feel comfortable enough to invite them over, and they, of course, had to feel comfortable enough with me to accept. It probably didn't hurt that I don't look unhinged or have posters of missing people plastered all over my walls.
[QUOTE=MareloboMex;7502616]HK,
It depends, how gullible are you?
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If you can keep you big head functioning and don't think with your dick. You should be ok..[/QUOTE]Just to add to what MM said, for me anyway, you have to be mentally prepared to walk out, and not pay anything. Sometimes they'll suck for 30 seconds, then stop and say you have to pay in advance. In that case I pay for one song and walk out. Unlike MM, I've never had the balls to ask for my VIP fee back!
[QUOTE=Passenger;7502275]Getting OTC generally takes time, and the OP will be a first time Detoit SC visitor, coming from a town (Akron) with fewer club options, and undoubtedly less attractive dancers. Makes more sense for him to hit BT's, Criket, H8 and, Bogarts, Landing Strip, and maybe Flight Club and enjoy the many offerings. FC (and to lesser extent LS and BT) will give him sticker shock. For someone new to Detroit, why not enjoy the in club action first? While it's no longer the golden era of early aughts to mid-2010's, it's still something compared to most US cities.
I've been doing this for too many years and have seen the scene from when a table dance was literally that. A stripper dancing on a table and any contact got you bounced from the "club". Hell, they weren't even clubs back then, just crappy bars with strippers. The first VIP rooms were benches along a wall where one got lap dances (Booby Trap, BT's, Tycoons, Siloz).
I.[/QUOTE]OMG, the Booby Trap!
I remember going there, man that was along time ago. My first non-PG Dance was at that place! Man does that bring back some memories.
I don't disagree, go enjoy the fun! The Detroit clubs mentioned are fun. I went on a tour the other day and hit Landing Strip, Flight Club and BT's and had all the fun possible at each club. Heck at Landing Strip, I had fun with two ladies. The better looking ladies at at Landing Strip and Flight Club, however they do come with a higher price. However if I am going out for some fun, I want the better looking ladies so I am willing to pay the better price. The ladies at BT's are kinda like the girst nextdoor, worth having fun, but not the old cheerleaders from your high school days.
Daze.
[QUOTE=MareloboMex;7502624]Thank you Daze.
As I stated I am not an OTC guy, but I have a buddy and he does it regularly with the girls. He simply tells them he is unable to successfully perform in the tight VIP spaces and takes her back for a dance or two. Many times he has the girl on the same night he meets her or a couple days later.
Not all girls do this, many girls have offered me their numbers, but I never take them. And I suspect the majority of girls do this selectively.
My advice to anyone trying it is most nights there are some girls who don't make their tip out or cover tip out but didn't earn any money. These girls will be willing that night because they still need money.
In my opinion the youngest and hottest girls (understanding looks are subjective) make plenty of money ITC, and rarely do OTC unless a guy works on them and builds their trust. But if you don't need a specific girl but can take almost any girl, I believe you can readily find what you want. The better looking you are, the better your personality and the fatter your wallet all increase your chance of success.
MM.[/QUOTE]I am not taking just anyone to a room. I am very selective on who I have my fun with, and who I don't. I am going to a club looking to just get off. I am looking for the best looking in the club, get them in the VIP, have some fun, treat them with respect and then they offer their numbers so we can go have fun at a later date out of the club. Heck most of the time the ladies I am seeing are busy most of the night in the club, so I am looking to take the out, and have some fun out of the club. That in club experience for both the guys and the ladies can get to be old. Many of the ladies are looking for a better expereince and are willing to do it out of the club from my experience.
Daze.
[QUOTE=Pussylicker2;7503474]Just to add to what MM said, for me anyway, you have to be mentally prepared to walk out, and not pay anything. Sometimes they'll suck for 30 seconds, then stop and say you have to pay in advance. In that case I pay for one song and walk out. Unlike MM, I've never had the balls to ask for my VIP fee back![/QUOTE]PL,
If I am back there for a song or two I don't ask for my VIP fee back, but she literally said this the moment the curtain was closed. It was probably 10 or 15 seconds from the time we entered the VIP until I walked out. That doesn't seem like a dance to me.
MM.
Say if I'm interested in a girl at an extra / non-extra club, and I want to see her outside. Offering which one do you think would have a higher success rate? (sugar date = dinner + fun activity + intimate time.
Escort = intimate time).
Any other general advice on how to make this happen?
How to propose? (Text vs after in-person after purchase).
Price offer vs asking her for price?
How to set the price? Say she charges 200 for FS or a non-extra girl at Vu.
Thanks in advance for all the inputs.
[QUOTE=Arianabp;7504075]Say if I'm interested in a girl at an extra / non-extra club, and I want to see her outside. Offering which one do you think would have a higher success rate? (sugar date = dinner + fun activity + intimate time.
Escort = intimate time).
Any other general advice on how to make this happen?
How to propose? (Text vs after in-person after purchase).
Price offer vs asking her for price?
How to set the price? Say she charges 200 for FS or a non-extra girl at Vu.
Thanks in advance for all the inputs.[/QUOTE]These girls almost all do OTC. The main key is getting to know them by visiting the club multiple times. They all have to have a safe vibe from you before they will procede. The one thing they have in common too is that pussy is a money makin machine. Mm686.
[QUOTE=Daze94;7503903]OMG, the Booby Trap!
I remember going there, man that was along time ago. My first non-PG Dance was at that place! Man does that bring back some memories.
I don't disagree, go enjoy the fun! The Detroit clubs mentioned are fun. I went on a tour the other day and hit Landing Strip, Flight Club and BT's and had all the fun possible at each club. Heck at Landing Strip, I had fun with two ladies. The better looking ladies at at Landing Strip and Flight Club, however they do come with a higher price. However if I am going out for some fun, I want the better looking ladies so I am willing to pay the better price. The ladies at BT's are kinda like the girst nextdoor, worth having fun, but not the old cheerleaders from your high school days.
Daze.[/QUOTE]I was too young to ever experience the Booby Trap, but I dated the owners daughter for about 2 years.
[QUOTE=Arianabp;7504075]Say if I'm interested in a girl at an extra / non-extra club, and I want to see her outside. Offering which one do you think would have a higher success rate? (sugar date = dinner + fun activity + intimate time.
Escort = intimate time).
Any other general advice on how to make this happen?
How to propose? (Text vs after in-person after purchase).
Price offer vs asking her for price?
How to set the price? Say she charges 200 for FS or a non-extra girl at Vu.
Thanks in advance for all the inputs.[/QUOTE]Arianabp, you sure have a lot of self-confidence for a Newbie.
After reading my original reply, I was way too negative and preachy, so I deleted it all, and will start over.
1) You asked how to bring up the subject of seeing her outside-the-club? Answer, the same way you talk to her about VIP. If you feel "the time is right", confidently TELL her what you want. Example: Stare into her eyes for a few seconds, pause, and say, "I want to spend time with you at a hotel". Shut up and keep looking into her eyes, but don't be creepy. Her actions and words will give you the answer. Let her talk, and you'll know what to do next.
2) Let her propose a price. If she insists you "go first", either be direct and tell her, or make a joke (example: "Well, it depends how much I charge YOU to give you a soft, slow, sensual massage" Again, take a clue from her actions and words on how to proceed, or whether to just drop it. Accept the fact that it's going to cost you more than what you just paid her for a quickie (maybe MUCH more). Remember, YOU have the final say on whether to accept or decline. Don't be afraid to say NO to anything. Tomorrow is another day.
3) You asked about "a date" or "just the sex". Depending on the girl it could go either way. Again, take the clues that she's giving you, and proceed accordingly. This topic is where I got preachy, so I'll end here.
Self-confidence is a good thing to have in life. Go for it. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.