"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Revvo;1987456]None of these three 40 ish MILFs is perfect 10 type hotties. None of them are skinny. But on the other hand. Conversations personalities, humor, level headedness with no Drama is fucking awesome. These women are of such high quality. And none of them would cost me as much as the one 19 YO Tat baby above.

Be careful out there. Revvo.[/QUOTE]I have no problems with women age 35-50 that are in decent condition physically. I am turned off by fat. A little love handle is fine by me. It seems to me that women in this 35-50 age bracket know what they like, know how to move their bodies and willing to put out effort so that both of you can enjoy the Lovemaking session. They have less inhibition than the young ones (18-22) and want to enjoy sex, rather than lay back like a dead fish.

[QUOTE=genuis8;1989575]I have no problems with women age 35-50 that are in decent condition physically. I am turned off by fat. A little love handle is fine by me. It seems to me that women in this 35-50 age bracket know what they like, know how to move their bodies and willing to put out effort so that both of you can enjoy the Lovemaking session. They have less inhibition than the young ones (18-22) and want to enjoy sex, rather than lay back like a dead fish.[/QUOTE]I cannot agree more. This was perfectly put. Now don't get me wrong. This does not mean I am fucking ugly chicks. All of the ones I am describing above are 7's or 8's. But they are just not super hot 19 and 20 year olds. And I have a little update since a couple of days ago. I met with two yesterday.

PuertoRican Tat Baby: She seems to be all in still. And is a little hard to communicate with. She is very friendly. Have not seen her since last week. But she is ready to meet on Friday at her place. I told her I am expecting the royal treatment so we will see how it goes. She has told me things she is doing to mover her schedule around to accommodate me. That is a good thing. So maybe she will improve. I am not holding my breath. Right now she is on the bubble. May have to let her go. We will see. With these other ones competing for a slot.

Sexy Pinup MILF: Wow what a good time. She was awesome in the sack. She is so incredibly sensitive and came hard and often. She came two times before I even fucked her. And then she was begging for my dick. Really really fun to play with. So easy going and we just had a great time. Limited time to play but she is moving out and will have her own place soon. And she is planning to have a nice love nest for us to meet. Oh and she is a screamer. I mean loud. You definitely do know when she is cumming. What a sexy woman. And oh my god the curves. I can see why she does pinup.

Eastern European MILF baby: Met her for dinner. She is very beautiful. I give her a 9/7/9/? . Great conversation lots of fun. Been through a very bad divorce. Which of these women has not? But too much conversation and not enough flirting. I am not sure if she is even ready to move on to the next level now or even later. I don't even know if a slow slow roll will work for her. She did not let me kiss her when I walked her to her car. I will give her a little time but not a lot. Oh and she looks like she may have a fat ass under all of her clothes. Not sure yet. She may be hiding some serious tonnage under her folds. If that is the case. Nice girl but bye bye if she is. She tells me how she works out and she used to be a runner in college. So I am giving her the benefit of the doubt.

Pretty good day overall.

Revvo.

I have been generally keeping a low profile since mid summer when SB10 decided she loved me. I always date at my away place - 500 miles from home. My regular is SB13,30 yo twice divorced young mom who knows the value of time and money. But the mind wanders.so in December had a date with SB13.20 yo AA HYB, met her off CL but later saw she was making the rounds in the various daddy sites. Great bod, initially wanted to do M&G but I was busy so wound up on an overnite (am I sleeping over). When I pick her up conversation is like pulling teeth and FC performance is distant, just one notch above a starfish. I was relieved when I dropped her off the next morning. Some text back and forth since then about getting together but I am always busy. You never know but highly unlikely.

Standing in line in Denver. Intermediate hub. To board a plane with the warden to the left coast and up walks SB13. I know her by a very distinctive sweater she is wearing in internet pics and the night she came over. Walks past me with me trying to hide my face. I have different glasses and a hat on...will she know? My life flashes in front of me..oh shit. 3 Million flyers a day, 150 on this plane and the two of us and the warden. I am sweating bullets. Fortunately I board first and bury myself in a newspaper. When she walks by..yep it's her...she goes back another 15 rows. For the next 3 hours I get to rationalize that she doesn't remember me (guess I wasn't that good) and I wouldn't have remembered her without the sweater. Just another young AA. I gradually calm down on the flight. Could not even begin to think of a bullshit story if she walks up and say "are you fake name from "real town"I would be busted! By the time we land I have devised a plan. Since we are off the plane first I will go get the car and have the warden text me when bags are ready, stall for 5-10 minutes, and assume baby has been picked up by a lecherous daddy anxious to get her to the FC. Sure enough when I arrive at baggage claim for the warden no sign of SB. You couldn't make this up! Gave the warden a good drilling last night...thank god I'm alive! Stay safe.

BTW - I don't do fat chicks either!!

[QUOTE=Graham111;1990664]I have been generally keeping a low profile since mid summer when SB10 decided she loved me. I always date at my away place - 500 miles from home. My regular is SB13,30 yo twice divorced young mom who knows the value of time and money. But the mind wanders.so in December had a date with SB13.20 yo AA HYB, met her off CL but later saw she was making the rounds in the various daddy sites. Great bod, initially wanted to do M&G but I was busy so wound up on an overnite (am I sleeping over). When I pick her up conversation is like pulling teeth and FC performance is distant, just one notch above a starfish. I was relieved when I dropped her off the next morning. Some text back and forth since then about getting together but I am always busy. You never know but highly unlikely.

Standing in line in Denver. Intermediate hub. To board a plane with the warden to the left coast and up walks SB13. I know her by a very distinctive sweater she is wearing in internet pics and the night she came over. Walks past me with me trying to hide my face. I have different glasses and a hat on...will she know? My life flashes in front of me..oh shit. 3 Million flyers a day, 150 on this plane and the two of us and the warden. I am sweating bullets. Fortunately I board first and bury myself in a newspaper. When she walks by..yep it's her...she goes back another 15 rows. For the next 3 hours I get to rationalize that she doesn't remember me (guess I wasn't that good) and I wouldn't have remembered her without the sweater. Just another young AA. I gradually calm down on the flight. Could not even begin to think of a bullshit story if she walks up and say "are you fake name from "real town"I would be busted! By the time we land I have devised a plan. Since we are off the plane first I will go get the car and have the warden text me when bags are ready, stall for 5-10 minutes, and assume baby has been picked up by a lecherous daddy anxious to get her to the FC. Sure enough when I arrive at baggage claim for the warden no sign of SB. You couldn't make this up! Gave the warden a good drilling last night...thank god I'm alive! Stay safe.

BTW - I don't do fat chicks either!![/QUOTE]No matter how careful we are, it is still a small country! One of mine had a seat right beside us at a concert in RIC (I reported it earlier). I had a cover story with her that she was helping me with a project and she played right along. Warden was non the wiser. RIC is still a small town.

[QUOTE=Graham111;1990664]I have been generally keeping a low profile since mid summer when SB10 decided she loved me. I always date at my away place - 500 miles from home. My regular is SB13,30 yo twice divorced young mom who knows the value of time and money. But the mind wanders.so in December had a date with SB13.20 yo AA HYB, met her off CL but later saw she was making the rounds in the various daddy sites. Great bod, initially wanted to do M&G but I was busy so wound up on an overnite (am I sleeping over). When I pick her up conversation is like pulling teeth and FC performance is distant, just one notch above a starfish. I was relieved when I dropped her off the next morning. Some text back and forth since then about getting together but I am always busy. You never know but highly unlikely.

Standing in line in Denver. Intermediate hub. To board a plane with the warden to the left coast and up walks SB13. I know her by a very distinctive sweater she is wearing in internet pics and the night she came over. Walks past me with me trying to hide my face. I have different glasses and a hat on...will she know? My life flashes in front of me..oh shit. 3 Million flyers a day, 150 on this plane and the two of us and the warden. I am sweating bullets. Fortunately I board first and bury myself in a newspaper. When she walks by..yep it's her...she goes back another 15 rows. For the next 3 hours I get to rationalize that she doesn't remember me (guess I wasn't that good) and I wouldn't have remembered her without the sweater. Just another young AA. I gradually calm down on the flight. Could not even begin to think of a bullshit story if she walks up and say "are you fake name from "real town"I would be busted! By the time we land I have devised a plan. Since we are off the plane first I will go get the car and have the warden text me when bags are ready, stall for 5-10 minutes, and assume baby has been picked up by a lecherous daddy anxious to get her to the FC. Sure enough when I arrive at baggage claim for the warden no sign of SB. You couldn't make this up! Gave the warden a good drilling last night...thank god I'm alive! Stay safe.

BTW - I don't do fat chicks either!![/QUOTE]People in the US and you still end up with her on your plane. It's funny but I travel all of the time all over the US and it seems like inevitably I run into someone I know in airports. It has happened many times.

I am really careful about traveling with SBs. I only do it with ones that I really trust and are good partners in crime. I always go to the gate area separate and inspect the area for anyone I know. And many times I fly them out separate as opposed to being on the Same plane.

Love the starfish analogy. I got my own little starfish baby. Report soon to follow.

Revvo.

So here are some updates on my never ending quest for the quality experience. Just to kind of review what I am looking for. Remember at first it was about just learning about myself. Then it was about just trying to get a SB. Then I encountered my first ATF and my second ATF and I was in heaven for a short period of time. Now my quest changed to searching for a replacement ATF. But I gave up on that. For a couple of reasons. Primarily because it was a little too good. And could potentially end my marriage. Now my quest is different. I am searching for a quality experience. Emotionally, sexually, socially, and monetarily. And by monetarily it means preferably no pay and no hotel. Don't mind the gifts and dinners and travel and such. And I think I am getting rather close.

Puertorican Tat Baby: So this one is on the bubble. And she is the hottest looking one of them all. I give her a 9/9/8/6 at this point. She is 19 yo and has been very weak in the sack. We have talked extensively and she has told me that she really likes me on all levels. Feels comfortable with me and thinks I am really cool. And I tend to believe her. She has been really honest and no bullshit so far. She is very calm and cool. But she is asking for advances on money a lot. I think she is just used to asking men for money. And she is not affectionate or passionate even though she insists she will be. I really really love her tiny little spinner body. And I have to admit I have seen some improvement in her skills. Not much but definetly better. And even a demonstrated desire to see me more. But it may be too little too late. I like that she has a cute little apartment that we can meet at and the damage has not been bad overall. 200 per week. And we meet twice a week in the day. So it fits a lot of things on paper. But I need the emotional connection. And I do not know if that will happen. I do not know if she has that with anyone. I will give her another week and see how it goes.

Italian Legal Aid Baby: This is still my front runner for going for most of my goals. She has been a really slow roll. But I have been patient and she has really appreciated it. She has been very up front about what she needs to get to the FC. And that is time and a slow warm up. In Fact she tells me I am getting there faster than any other man she has dated. So last night we went out for a night on the town. And man was it a blast. The most fun I have had with a woman without actually fucking in a long time. I pick her up and she looks fabulous. It was really cold but she made sure to wear a very sexy blouse with short skirt and boots. She was all wild long hair, titties, and legs. And man talk about getting looks every where we went. She was getting stared at constantly. After last night I am giving her a 9/8/10/? . I am not giving her body a 9 since she does have a little thickness about her so far.

But I would say she is in very good shape. When she is naked that is when we will know for sure. We ate, we drank, we walked and talked, flirted made out extensively she really liked my cock and kept grabbing it every time she got a chance and no one was looking. She rubbed me all over and massaged my body. We kissed extensively and she has the sexiest fucking lips, the kind that many women pay money to get using those treatments. Can't wait to get those wrapped around my dick. It was awesome. She tells me that now she is ready to be fucked next week. And wants to plan a steady Thursday night FC meet. Dinner or no dinner, or take out. Just as long as there is lots of fucking involved. Man it has been a slow ramp up. But it has been worth it so far. This woman is very hot. And she cannot say enough good things about me. She calls me ever sweet and sexy name in the book. She has been so fucking complementary. How handsome I am how sexy I am, how much she likes me, how perfect I am. It almost sounds obsequious. I am honestly humbled and a little embarrassed by it. But I just smile and take it. And give her nice complements also. I am very excited about meeting next Thursday night. Problem is going to be meeting every week at night. I will have to be careful. She is in a strong running neck and neck with my Pinup Tat Baby.

Lets be careful out there.

Revvo.

I had a weird experience on SA yesterday. I was talking to woman in Nashville and she wouldn't show me any photos (she had a blurred photo on her profile). She also wanted me to come to a seedier part of the city to pick her up. I was very apprehensive and did some google and facebook research. I searched for her email on Facebook and it brought up a guy's profile. I asked her about it and she said I was a crazy stalker. Have any of you had an experience like that? I of course didn't meet her. Maybe I'm overly cautious, but I don't want to get catfished or in any trouble (I work in the tv biz and would like to keep working in it).

I found a nice potential SB on SA, and set about to arrange a meet. The photos on her profile showed no face so I asked for a face pic. She sent a tiny 100 x100 fuzzy phone pic that was fairly useless. Strike one. Asked about meeting for lunch or starbux and she said she would rather meet for a (motel) date without the preliminaries. We talked on the phone a couple times and she seemed legit. Never mentioned money at all. Mmmm. Planned a meet but weather interfered since it was a 100 mi trip for me. Various stories about shared custody of kids were exchanged...seemed normal. I googled her phone number and came up dry. Later just on a whim, I googled one of the faceless images of her backside. Bingo! Several escort ads and a website popped up. Also more photos. Strike two. Next I went through about 20 pages of posts on the USASG forum for her area and came up with the further info that the photos were quite old and did not represent her current appearance. Also found a bad review, a possible scammer. Strike three. BUSTED.

Lesson. Do your research. There are good and honest girls out there, but you have to be dilligent with checking them out.

Best,

Krusty.

I got this text from my 19 YO Tat baby about an hour ago. What would you do?

"My Cuzin stole from Walmart and got me in trouble going to jail help me".

Drama drama drama.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Donwhite;1991638]I had a weird experience on SA yesterday. I was talking to woman in Nashville and she wouldn't show me any photos (she had a blurred photo on her profile). She also wanted me to come to a seedier part of the city to pick her up. I was very apprehensive and did some google and facebook research. I searched for her email on Facebook and it brought up a guy's profile. I asked her about it and she said I was a crazy stalker. Have any of you had an experience like that? I of course didn't meet her. Maybe I'm overly cautious, but I don't want to get catfished or in any trouble (I work in the tv biz and would like to keep working in it).[/QUOTE]You did the right thing. Instead of explaining the strange occurrences she accuses you. Thats all you need to know.

Be careful out there.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1991951]I got this text from my 19 YO Tat baby about an hour ago. What would you do?

"My Cuzin stole from Walmart and got me in trouble going to jail help me".

Drama drama drama.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]You mentioned in earlier posts that she's on the bubble with you, tends to request cash advances up front, lacks any actual intimacy, and seems to be using guys for money. The only positive things she has going for her is that she's hotter than hell, and her weekly costs work out to be in a good range.

My $0.02 depends on whether or not she knows your real name, or just a hobby name. If she knows your real name, she can add you to her list of visitors, and you can try to find time to visit her once, so she can talk you into adding .5 to her canteen funds. If she doesn't, however, I would not decide to break cover just to go visit her, and I would not be interested in sending funds to jail without visiting first. I'd be "sorry, too busy" to visit, and "let's talk about taking care of funding after I get a chance to visit you.".

However, I sincerely doubt that you'll actually find her in jail. If she's like many other DBs (Drama Babies) she's using this as another unverifiable "emergency" that requires your money to solve, and she intends to milk it for a year or more of "court appearances" and "lawyer's fees." Shoplifting is hard to prove, so for her to have been arrested pretty much means she was caught red handed, whether or not her "cousin" was an accomplice. Assuming any of this story is true at all.

If you bite, you'll have shown her the level she needs to use to get you to pay for her self manufactured emergencies. You won't get receipts, nor will you get better service, and the emergencies will get bigger and more frequent, over time. That's not really a fun place to be, so I would consider being sympathetic and ready to "help her" when she's back out, but, bottom line, she's interested in seeing how much unearned income she can get from you, as you already know.

You haven't been with her long enough to feel obligated to pay "sugar alimony" as one poster so eloquently put it, a while back.

I'll be curious to know what you decide, though... You have some good SB stories!

[QUOTE=Revvo;1991951]I got this text from my 19 YO Tat baby about an hour ago. What would you do?

"My Cuzin stole from Walmart and got me in trouble going to jail help me".

Drama drama drama.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]What would I do?

Me "let me know when you are out and we will celebrate ".

[QUOTE=Revvo;1991951]I got this text from my 19 YO Tat baby about an hour ago. What would you do?

"My Cuzin stole from Walmart and got me in trouble going to jail help me".

Drama drama drama.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]This girl is the definition of a Nando 1 . Avoid these girls at all costs, the pussy is just not worth it.

When SB # 2 texts that she needs a cash advance and can I meet her somewhere or buy a Green Dot card I do not respond. I have found that it is too easy to get into a dialog about how desperate things are and it is an endless spiral. I have been burned almost every time I advanced money. She has learned that I am not an ATM and that she has to earn her cash.

[QUOTE=Grumpyinva;1992579]
If she's like many other DBs (Drama Babies) she's using this as another unverifiable "emergency" that requires your money to solve, and she intends to milk it for a year or more of "court appearances" and "lawyer's fees."

If you bite, you'll have shown her the level she needs to use to get you to pay for her self manufactured emergencies. .

You haven't been with her long enough to feel obligated to pay "sugar alimony" as one poster so eloquently put it, a while back.
[/QUOTE]I've also learned this lesson from a few tweeners. Once you move from a BP thing to a sort-of SD thing, they get bolder with their stories and requests. Some of the legal problems and emergencies are real, because they come from screwed-up homes, and tend to hang around people with candy habits and sticky fingers, if they don't share these attributes themselves.

The one time I bought into an "emergency" and bought a green-dot card, I never saw her again. I chalked it up as a parting gift that worked out to 20 dollar tip for each time I saw her. It was kind of like paying "sugar alimony" without realizing it at the time. LOL.

[QUOTE=Grumpyinva;1992579]You mentioned in earlier posts that she's on the bubble with you, tends to request cash advances up front, lacks any actual intimacy, and seems to be using guys for money. The only positive things she has going for her is that she's hotter than hell, and her weekly costs work out to be in a good range.

My $0.02 depends on whether or not she knows your real name, or just a hobby name. If she knows your real name, she can add you to her list of visitors, and you can try to find time to visit her once, so she can talk you into adding .5 to her canteen funds. If she doesn't, however, I would not decide to break cover just to go visit her, and I would not be interested in sending funds to jail without visiting first. I'd be "sorry, too busy" to visit, and "let's talk about taking care of funding after I get a chance to visit you.".

However, I sincerely doubt that you'll actually find her in jail. If she's like many other DBs (Drama Babies) she's using this as another unverifiable "emergency" that requires your money to solve, and she intends to milk it for a year or more of "court appearances" and "lawyer's fees." Shoplifting is hard to prove, so for her to have been arrested pretty much means she was caught red handed, whether or not her "cousin" was an accomplice. Assuming any of this story is true at all.

If you bite, you'll have shown her the level she needs to use to get you to pay for her self manufactured emergencies. You won't get receipts, nor will you get better service, and the emergencies will get bigger and more frequent, over time. That's not really a fun place to be, so I would consider being sympathetic and ready to "help her" when she's back out, but, bottom line, she's interested in seeing how much unearned income she can get from you, as you already know.

You haven't been with her long enough to feel obligated to pay "sugar alimony" as one poster so eloquently put it, a while back.

I'll be curious to know what you decide, though... You have some good SB stories![/QUOTE]Grumpy thanks for the advice and thanks to you Fred.

I really like your analysis of showing her the level she needs to use for the manufactured emergencies. At this point I do not believe they are manufactured emergencies. She has been completely honest with me so far and I have had quite a few babies that tried to bullshit me. So your point is very accurate. And I have been pretty stingy with any type of alimony so far. Now on the Nando 1 front I do not believe she is there. She does not drink or smoke or do drugs. She has her own house and car, and they are clean and nice, and has a job and goes to school. Actually not bad for a 19 YO. She is however surrounded by a lot of nutty and semi nutty family members. She is Puerto Rican and very proud of that. And I have seen that make them quite self destructive. But so far have not seen that in her. She is very calm not hysterical and crazy like a lot of the young babies are.

That being said she has come from a terrible upbringing with very bad mother and father. But not poor. They just don't help her with money and they were abusive. So basically she has raised herself since she was 15. I can't tell you how many babies I have found like this. And they jump from Lilly pad to Lilly pad or crisis to crisis. So no I did not meet with her today I expressed my concern very calmly. And no I did not give her any money. And I told her in very kind but firm terms (something I am sure she is not used to). That I don't mind helping her but I am not here to bail her out of her crises. And in addition this relationship should be about fun and excitement. Not constant turmoil and crisis. She agreed and told me that her cousin was arrested for shoplifting and that my girl left the store when she saw the cousin put stuff in her purse. But when she went outside cousin followed her and police arrested both. She had nothing on her and she will most likely get charges dropped on her. Which I agree with.

Then I talked with her about two other things. She needs to not associate with anyone that not only brings her down. But only associate with people she admires and can help lift her up. She agreed. And finally I talked to her about her duties as a sugar baby and if I am not feeling it we will not proceed. I needed someone who was sexually open and available to me. And that I am the one helping pay for her place so I should be the one meeting her there and not some lame family member that does not help her at all. She promised she would be much better. I don't think she has ever been in an affectionate and loving environment. And I think we as semi normal people take that for granted with some of these damaged souls sometime.

Finally I will say on our last meeting last Friday before this incident. Affection and performance was better. So she is working on it. But she is still on the bubble and will do for now while my other three no dollar 40 ish babies are getting developed.

Wow never a dull moment. And thanks for all of the great advice. You guys are awesome.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1993588]Grumpy thanks for the advice and thanks to you Fred.

I really like your analysis of showing her the level she needs to use for the manufactured emergencies. At this point I do not believe they are manufactured emergencies. She has been completely honest with me so far and I have had quite a few babies that tried to bullshit me. So your point is very accurate. And I have been pretty stingy with any type of alimony so far. Now on the Nando 1 front I do not believe she is there. She does not drink or smoke or do drugs. She has her own house and car, and they are clean and nice, and has a job and goes to school. Actually not bad for a 19 YO. She is however surrounded by a lot of nutty and semi nutty family members. She is Puerto Rican and very proud of that. And I have seen that make them quite self destructive. But so far have not seen that in her. She is very calm not hysterical and crazy like a lot of the young babies are.

That being said she has come from a terrible upbringing with very bad mother and father. But not poor. They just don't help her with money and they were abusive. So basically she has raised herself since she was 15. I can't tell you how many babies I have found like this. And they jump from Lilly pad to Lilly pad or crisis to crisis. So no I did not meet with her today I expressed my concern very calmly. And no I did not give her any money. And I told her in very kind but firm terms (something I am sure she is not used to). That I don't mind helping her but I am not here to bail her out of her crises. And in addition this relationship should be about fun and excitement. Not constant turmoil and crisis. She agreed and told me that her cousin was arrested for shoplifting and that my girl left the store when she saw the cousin put stuff in her purse. But when she went outside cousin followed her and police arrested both. She had nothing on her and she will most likely get charges dropped on her. Which I agree with.

Then I talked with her about two other things. She needs to not associate with anyone that not only brings her down. But only associate with people she admires and can help lift her up. She agreed. And finally I talked to her about her duties as a sugar baby and if I am not feeling it we will not proceed. I needed someone who was sexually open and available to me. And that I am the one helping pay for her place so I should be the one meeting her there and not some lame family member that does not help her at all. She promised she would be much better. I don't think she has ever been in an affectionate and loving environment. And I think we as semi normal people take that for granted with some of these damaged souls sometime.

Finally I will say on our last meeting last Friday before this incident. Affection and performance was better. So she is working on it. But she is still on the bubble and will do for now while my other three no dollar 40 ish babies are getting developed.

Wow never a dull moment. And thanks for all of the great advice. You guys are awesome.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]One thing for sure. Our morals and what we take for granted as acceptable behavior may be a totally new concept to these girls. I have been lulled into a false sense of security more than once, through no scheming on the girls part, just me being oblivious to their reality. My humble home and responsibilities may be something they aspire to but really have no clue on how to attain it. We are like parents to some of these girls, especially the younger ones. They need their daddy, its a double edged sword.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1993737]One thing for sure. Our morals and what we take for granted as acceptable behavior may be a totally new concept to these girls. I have been lulled into a false sense of security more than once, through no scheming on the girls part, just me being oblivious to their reality. My humble home and responsibilities may be something they aspire to but really have no clue on how to attain it. We are like parents to some of these girls, especially the younger ones. They need their daddy, its a double edged sword.[/QUOTE]The whole mentoring / emotional support and guidance thing has been a big part of my adventure. She's not Nando1, but had a broken upbringing with very few role models to gravitate to. Being able to guide her through situations which seem insurmountable to her but 2nd nature to us is a big deal for her. Frankly, worth more than the money-what good is money if you don't put it to good use?

Anyway, I help her through her existential crises school and what she really wants and how she's going to get there but "damn I'm going to fail!" and "I have to work while I take classes" and all that fun stuff. And I'm not letting the drama get to me so much, as I seen her pattern of panic, then regroup and figure out a solution.

Fortunately I clearly don't have a schemer. My biggest worries are of discovery, and how clean the inevitable break will be. Letting go will be tough on both sides of the equation, but I'm still enjoying the ride.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1993237]When SB # 2 texts that she needs a cash advance and can I meet her somewhere or buy a Green Dot card I do not respond. I have found that it is too easy to get into a dialog about how desperate things are and it is an endless spiral.[/QUOTE]This was a lesson I learned as well through experience. In the past, I would try to be helpful and suggest ways to solve the problem without me having to come up with the cash. However, I am no match for their persistence or desperation. So now I suggest she earn it by coming over or I just stop responding if I'm not looking for fun that day.

Have decided to quite sb10.she is starting to be a whiner and the thrill is gone! Need ideas? Go silent? Deliver the news? What'd ya think?

[QUOTE=Graham111;1996369]Have decided to quite sb10.she is starting to be a whiner and the thrill is gone! Need ideas? Go silent? Deliver the news? What'd ya think?[/QUOTE]Just deliver the blow as quickly as possible. The faster you get it over with the better off you and her will be. She will hopefully learn a lesson: it's business not pleasure, and, if she is really smart, she will understand that her customer service needs to improve.

[QUOTE=Graham111;1996369]Have decided to quite sb10.she is starting to be a whiner and the thrill is gone! Need ideas? Go silent? Deliver the news? What'd ya think?[/QUOTE]Deliver the news. Then go silent. But it has to be very final sounding. Because there may be many follow up txt's from her.

[QUOTE=Graham111;1996369]Have decided to quite sb10.she is starting to be a whiner and the thrill is gone! Need ideas? Go silent? Deliver the news? What'd ya think?[/QUOTE]Tell her 1) your finances have changed and you can no longer afford to be a SD.

2) Your SO discovered you and you have to cut it off.

3) your Herpes got worse / whatever is final and outrageous.

Thank her for a wonderful time together but you can longer see her --and go silent.

It's best that they don't take it personally and can blame "the circumstances".

Has anyone had any of the similar experiences. I am coming up on a year in the sugar bowl so things are still a bit new. But I have three different babies intensely talking / asking with me about their tax refund / credits for the year. This is a really big deal since they usually qualify for the EITC a federal government stealth welfare program. That means they are getting somewhere between 4 and 6 k depending on their situation.

So what stories have you brothers heard about what they are spending it on. I have three different cases.

1. She is getting 4500 back and she is going to invest in a boob job. She has really small boobs so I must say she does need it. She is also the hottest looking one.

2. She wants to pay for six months of rent to concentrate on school. Sensible girl.

3. She is asking what she can spend her 5 k on to invest it for a future day. She is totally serious about learning investing. She is also in nursing school and works a real job.

What stories do the other brothers have? What would you advise for your baby on investing?

Ahh the contrasts.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1996794]Has anyone had any of the similar experiences. I am coming up on a year in the sugar bowl so things are still a bit new. But I have three different babies intensely talking / asking with me about their tax refund / credits for the year. This is a really big deal since they usually qualify for the EITC a federal government stealth welfare program. That means they are getting somewhere between 4 and 6 k depending on their situation.

So what stories have you brothers heard about what they are spending it on. I have three different cases.

1. She is getting 4500 back and she is going to invest in a boob job. She has really small boobs so I must say she does need it. She is also the hottest looking one.

2. She wants to pay for six months of rent to concentrate on school. Sensible girl.

3. She is asking what she can spend her 5 k on to invest it for a future day. She is totally serious about learning investing. She is also in nursing school and works a real job.

What stories do the other brothers have? What would you advise for your baby on investing?

Ahh the contrasts.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]Have #3 contact me, I'm a CFP. Does she want a short term, or long term investment, and what kind of a return is she looking for? Inbox me.

[QUOTE=Graham111;1996369]Have decided to quite sb10.she is starting to be a whiner and the thrill is gone! Need ideas? Go silent? Deliver the news? What'd ya think?[/QUOTE]The modern woman does it to us by going silent. I've had it done to me and must admit it is the best way. Going silent is so much more final which is part of the message.

[QUOTE=Graham111;1996369]Have decided to quite sb10.she is starting to be a whiner and the thrill is gone! Need ideas? Go silent? Deliver the news? What'd ya think?[/QUOTE]I wouldn't go silent because that's like burning a bridge. One never knows what tomorrow brings. Personally, tell her the truth. She probably already senses it.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;1996822]The modern woman does it to us by going silent. I've had it done to me and must admit it is the best way. Going silent is so much more final which is part of the message.[/QUOTE]Yes, exactly.

Anyone ever tried to 1099 their SB so you can write them off on your taxes.LOL...

[QUOTE=Revvo;1996794]Has anyone had any of the similar experiences. I am coming up on a year in the sugar bowl so things are still a bit new. But I have three different babies intensely talking / asking with me about their tax refund / credits for the year. This is a really big deal since they usually qualify for the EITC a federal government stealth welfare program. That means they are getting somewhere between 4 and 6 k depending on their situation.

So what stories have you brothers heard about what they are spending it on. I have three different cases.

1. She is getting 4500 back and she is going to invest in a boob job. She has really small boobs so I must say she does need it. She is also the hottest looking one.

2. She wants to pay for six months of rent to concentrate on school. Sensible girl.

3. She is asking what she can spend her 5 k on to invest it for a future day. She is totally serious about learning investing. She is also in nursing school and works a real job.

What stories do the other brothers have? What would you advise for your baby on investing?

Ahh the contrasts.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;1997489]Anyone ever tried to 1099 their SB so you can write them off on your taxes.LOL...[/QUOTE]I'm sure this was written in jest. But, the applicable tax law would be: The annual exclusion, which allows you to give $14,000 in cash or other assets each year to each of as many individuals as you want.

A 1099 implies payment for goods and services. And everyone can see the downside of explaining that during a audit.

Another reason to keep business and pleasure separate.

SubCmdr.

I am glad to see so many new posters, but miss some of our oldies Big Tigg and Scotty. If you guys are still lurking give us a shout out.

As I navigate this intriguing world I see and have experienced the pitfalls, but I am still trying to hang in.

ATF # 4 :

Separated for 1 year and banging my brains out has now explored going back to hubby. She wants to keep me on as a booty call since my "skills" she wants to keep in her life. Who am I to complain? But it will be less regularly so I will have to see. Last orgasm together was 2 weeks.

SB #2.

Size 2 spinner who takes my Bare back Nutt for $.25 as often as I want. I meet her every 2 weeks for now.

Pot #1.

AA 24 yr old 7/7/? Has agreed to $/ meet so I am thinking about her. And she has her own place. She's a little ghetto looking so I'm not sure.

Pot #2.

Is a 21 yr old white girl 8/8/? She lives a little too far but have offered her $ to come see me and She hasn't said no. So we'll see. I will add her to the rotation every other week. Maybe if she shows good faith I will give her more gas money. Hollywood, you will be proud of me if I pull it off.

I've had a crazy past few days that has brought me both joy and pain. I haven't dipped my toes into the sugar bowl since earlier this fall when I had some amazing out of town fun while on a business trip. My marriage has been on the rocks for awhile now, but as many of you can probably relate we've been sticking with it for the kids. Well, last week I discovered that my SO was looking for a little action on the side. The history on her computer showed she posted a few ads in the Casual Encounters section of Craigslist - (at least someone will get some action from her as I haven't in 6+ months! I confronted her about this immediately. She didn't deny it and it's been chilly between us the past couple of days to say the least. After installing a keylogger on the computer I decided that I was more than justified to see what the sugar bowl had to offer since my few month hiatus.

This is where things got interesting this weekend. I connected with a POT 22 year old (6.5) that lives out of state. Turns our that she's actually a stripper at a club about 45 minutes from my house. Now, I'm well aware of the dangers about getting involved with a dancer, but it's always been a bit of a turn on for me, so I thought I had nothing to lose when she told me to come visit her at the club. I made arrangements to meet up with her that evening. Since I was going to be in the same city of another POT 22 yr old college girl (7) that I had messaged with a a few months earlier I decided to hit her up as well to see if she would be interested in meeting for a drink. Get a message back right way that she would love to. Game On!

I arrive at the strip club and the POT Stripper SB recognizes me immediately and snuggles up to me in the booth. We have a good conversation, but I told her I wasn't there to get dances, and I knew she needed to make money, so feel free to do her thing and she could check in with me occasionally. In the meantime, I get a text message from the POT College SB and I tell her I'm at the strip club with a friend (sorta true). Next message back from her is "I want to see some bobbies! 30 minutes later in through the front door walks the 2nd SB with one of her girlfriends.

Drinks start flowing, and the next thing I know I'm sitting in a both with POT Stripper SB on one side of me, POT College Girl SB on the other side of me, and college girls friend across the booth. Ifeel like the biggest damn pimp in the world. Neither of them realize that they other is a POT SB. Here I am a 41 year old average looking guy in a miserable marriage surrounded by 3 young, attractive girls. POT Stripper SB picks up the vibe that I'm really not feeling her that evening so she smartly decides to make some money. POT College SB is starting to get buzzed and really wants some dances in the VIP area. Who am I to object! We pick out a HOT stripper and bring her back to the VIP room. Once in the room, first thing my potential SB does is ask if she can take her shirt of too. Her shirt quickly comes off and I'm immediately viewing two hot girls liking each other all over. Not too much time passes before then eventually turn their attention to me and I have more boobs than I can handle in my face. Roaming hands everywhere. Clits being rubbed, etc. It was a fun 15 minutes in the room. After our session is over I whisper to my pot SB to get her number and see if she'd be open to doing some "private" dances for us sometime. The stripper says she would love to and gives my POT SB her phone number. POT SB tells me straight out that she wants to have a 3 some, that she would love to have it with that stripper, but if it doesn't work I can try and find someone else to join us sometime. We eventually repeat this episode with 2 other dancers that night. Each of them gave us there number. Who knows if anything will come of it but it's sure fun to fantasy that it will. POT SB tells me that she really wants to consumate the relationship that evening but her place was off limits and we should get a hotel room. Well, it's now well after 1:00 am, I have a 45 minute drive ahead of me and decide I need to get on the road. I say my goodbye to POT College SB, POT Stripper SB and take off with memories that will last forever in my head and plans to come back and visit POT College SB soon for either a 3 some of just one on one action.

That my friends was Friday night...

I'm recovering most of the day on Saturday and tell myself I'm not going out and need to just chill at home. Around 3:00 pm I get a text message from a POT 21 year old College SB. We eventually make plans for a quick meet and greet at a local bar. Her first foray into the bowl and she has no idea how it works but is intrigued by everything. She tells me it's up to me to show her the ropes (jackpot! Well after 2 drinks I tell her that perhaps we should get a hotel room to see if there is any chemistry between us. She is agreeable so I pull out my phone and immediately book a room. Spend a good 2 hours in the room and I can say that there is definitely some chemistry! No sugar was discussed or exchanged. As we were leaving we talked about what her needs are briefly. She stated she's not hurting for money as her parents support her in college, she's not really sure what she wants. I told her to think about it for a couple of days and we'd figure out something before our next date. We part ways and as I'm driving home I can't believe that I just spent 2 glorious hours in a hotel room with a pretty hot 21 year old girl for nothing more than the cost of two rum and cokes and a cheap hotel room.

I'm back in the bowl! .

Great story. I am also on over drive. Assembled my B team in 30 days. All young (19,23 and 25). All aware of each other. And all exclusive to me so far. Did 9 different girls last month. The A team, the B team and 3 interviews that I won't repeat.

" last week I discovered that my SO was looking for a little action ".

So Landon, Instead of busting your SO's chops, offer her a deal. Tell her it's only fair that she be free to look as long as you can. This gives you two something in common. You both want to get laid, just not with each other. You can sit around at home after dinner on your computers setting up dates.

What was the cost of your night at the strip bar?

I have had some good luck with a new site that another member posted about. SD Today dot com (full words, no spaces).

It is free, and some girls post their direct contact info. I have gotten TWO. A fresh 18 year old and an older 40's MILF in the last 2 weeks. Both in NOVA.

Which brings me to second point -- I am in NOVA all February -- and if anybody has a nice spinner SB who they know sees others, or they might be about to turn loose a they have fucked her so much that they need fresh pussy, please PM me her contact info and I will see if I can do a pickup!

Regards.

GW.

[QUOTE=GuyWoodson;1999716]I have had some good luck with a new site that another member posted about. SD Today dot com (full words, no spaces).

It is free, and some girls post their direct contact info. I have gotten TWO. A fresh 18 year old and an older 40's MILF in the last 2 weeks. Both in NOVA.

Which brings me to second point -- I am in NOVA all February -- and if anybody has a nice spinner SB who they know sees others, or they might be about to turn loose a they have fucked her so much that they need fresh pussy, please PM me her contact info and I will see if I can do a pickup!

Regards.

GW.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I signed up and noted only a few girls in my target area and target age. I'll tag one I like the looks of and keep an eye out. Thanks for the heads up. Good luck. How does the $$ compare in their expectations?

I agree it is sparse -- but the ones on there seem real -- perhaps as it is a new site, the girls that are green behind the ears enter profiles. I really did not expect to get a response from somebodies public phone # -- but I did.

One other REAL useful hint here:

This site lets you lookup ONE cell number a day for free -- and you get the carrier info.

[URL]https://www.carrierlookup.com/index.php[/URL]

So for example -- if verizon -- you E-mail to 8041234567@vtext.com No exposure of your cell phone # All other carriers's info here:

[URL]http://www.emailtextmessages.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1999907]Interesting. I signed up and noted only a few girls in my target area and target age. I'll tag one I like the looks of and keep an eye out. Thanks for the heads up. Good luck. How does the $$ compare in their expectations?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1999591]" last week I discovered that my SO was looking for a little action ".

So Landon, Instead of busting your SO's chops, offer her a deal. Tell her it's only fair that she be free to look as long as you can. This gives you two something in common. You both want to get laid, just not with each other. You can sit around at home after dinner on your computers setting up dates.

What was the cost of your night at the strip bar?[/QUOTE]Well things just got very interesting on my front. I typed my post up last night during the 4 Q of the Super Bowl. I shut the laptop down and started watching the post-game stuff. Next thing I know is that my SO who I hadn't talked to in 4-5 days because of catching her lays down on the couch next to me. A little startled I just sit there. A few minutes pass and I noticed that she's pleasuring herself. I watch in stunned silence and then she decides to give me a blow job. This is the same lady that has been ice-cold to me for 6+ months and who I haven't gotten a BJ from in well over a year. We proceed to have probably the best sex we've had in the last 5 years. Given my wild weekend and mixed emotions I had toward my SO at the time it was a little tough for me to get going but I was eventually able to with too much of a problem. As we were doing the deed in her midst of naughty talk she did ask if I had been having sex with someone else (almost implying it would turn her on if I had been). I obviously declined.

And today, POT College SB1 is texted me asking me to come over tonight and POT College SB 2 is asking what I'm thinking in terms of an arrangement.

Most figure out how to manage this harram and stay financially solvent.

Met a reasonably cute petite 19 year old latina about a mile from my house a few days ago. She seemed a little shy but after a few minutes we were headed to the FC for whatever she was ready for. We get about halfway there and she says "I,m just not feeling it" So I drove her the half mile back to the starbucks and dropped her off. Haven"t seen her on the site since then.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2000147]Met a reasonably cute petite 19 year old latina about a mile from my house a few days ago. She seemed a little shy but after a few minutes we were headed to the FC for whatever she was ready for. We get about halfway there and she says "I,m just not feeling it" So I drove her the half mile back to the starbucks and dropped her off. Haven"t seen her on the site since then.[/QUOTE]So true Hollywood. I remember I met this cute little spinner sweet and innocent. She was going to college had a place to meet. We were on the fast track. We were at our first M&G at a chilliles at the bar drinking margaritas. All the signs were go. I mean she really liked me. Was saying and doing all of the right things. Lots of touching and flirting. No kissing yet. But it was good. Or so I thought. I have a rule that I never book the room on the first FC visit until I am with the girl and have her ready to go. Saves on wasted hotel rooms. I popped the questinon and she agreed. I started working on the room. Then I go to the bathroom. Come back and she goes to the bathroom. Never saw her again. Not such a good feeling but it happens. The funny thing is there was not an exit door by the restrooms. So she had to crawl out of there to get away from me. LOL Not so good for the ego. But like a wise man once said. The strange things women do is a statement about them and not about you. Anyway I have disappointments quite frequently.

Also Landon really like the story. Enjoy the highs because they are not always high. And you did the right thing on the wife front when she tried to coax info out of you and you not telling her of your fooling around. Take it go the grave with you. You will both be better off.

Revvo.

You have been warned. I cannot tell you how many fakes approach me on there. Never spend a penny with them. It is a real waste of time.

Revvo.