Thank you to all who have responded to my request for information. There are more than a couple who piqued my interest and I may have to sample more than one before I retire. I'll let you all know how I do.
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Thank you to all who have responded to my request for information. There are more than a couple who piqued my interest and I may have to sample more than one before I retire. I'll let you all know how I do.
Angela / Brittany will be doing incalls before the end of the month. Stay tuned.
[QUOTE=Johnkat111;2265188]Angela / Brittany will be doing incalls before the end of the month. Stay tuned.[/QUOTE]Really that is interesting last time I saw her was in May and when we talked she was pondering retiring I guess things changeI miss her she is a cool girl.
I haven't been around much, been spending some time with a semi-UTR. She's looking for a few more regulars and gave me the ok to spread her a number a little. West Allis area, she CANNOT host at this point. 23-24, former SW, says she's been clean from H for 2 years and I believe her, she's clean, communicates well and responds promptly and has never stood me up. 5'5"-ish, VERY thin (like 'let me buy you a sandwich" thin). Small breasts, nice ass. Car dates at a reasonable price, FS if you can provide the place. Doesn't care for DATY, no greek. Very energetic BBBJCIMWS. Good skills, has to be reminded about teeth once in a while. CONTRIBUTING members (senior or regular) can PM me for number / more details if you like.
I always try to do as much of a background check on the girls as possible but with mobile phones it is not easy. Of the girls I have been able to trace, their CCAP or Milwaukee Municipal Court record is generally not good. I want to avoid those girls who have records of violence, etc. Has anyone tried subscribing to those companies that identify the owner of a particular mobile number? Are their reports accurate?
Thanks.
I really don't think it would be too fruitful; these girls probably use gVoice and burner phones just as much if not more than a properly equipped monger.
[QUOTE=Travlnmn;2269905]I always try to do as much of a background check on the girls as possible but with mobile phones it is not easy. Of the girls I have been able to trace, their CCAP or Milwaukee Municipal Court record is generally not good. I want to avoid those girls who have records of violence, etc. Has anyone tried subscribing to those companies that identify the owner of a particular mobile number? Are their reports accurate?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Travlnmn;2269905]I always try to do as much of a background check on the girls as possible but with mobile phones it is not easy. Of the girls I have been able to trace, their CCAP or Milwaukee Municipal Court record is generally not good. I want to avoid those girls who have records of violence, etc. Has anyone tried subscribing to those companies that identify the owner of a particular mobile number? Are their reports accurate?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]I tried subscribing to one of those services for a while. They always tease you saying that information is available but if you buy it the information is seldom accurate. For instance, when I tried to look up my own number it said I was 86 years old and that I live in some small town upstate.
I have had reasonably good luck using a combination of [URL]safecaller.com[/URL] and Facebook all without paying any subscription fees.
I was watching 20/20 on Friday night and they did a segment on [URL]WhatsYourPrice.com[/URL] Had never heard of it. Checked it out. You make a bid to get a date with the lady. The minimum package to be able to send and receive messages is 50 bucks. I created a profile but didn't buy a membership yet. May or may not. Anyone have any experience with this site? I did a search through the local ladies and lo and behold, came across a profile of a CL advertiser that has been reviewed on her numerous times. I knew it was her because one of the pics on her profile was a pic she had texted me back in early summer. If I decide to take the plunge I will report back on any success stories. Stay warm.
I'm more of a point and click guy.
I tried it couple of months ago, wasn't highly impressed. For the most part, To get anywhere, you have to invest time, have game, helps to be young and good looking. Found a lot of game playing, differing expectations and dead ends.
Girls on sugerdaddyforme are more focused on what you are looking for.
Another senior recently turned me on to seeking arrangement, and so far that's been pretty fruitful. Girls for the most part are quite a step up. You need game and time here as well, but seems (so far) worth the effort.
I also found it helpful when I travel, much better than craiglslist, particularly in a college town.
[QUOTE=OlderFunGuy;2271527]I was watching 20/20 on Friday night and they did a segment on [URL]WhatsYourPrice.com[/URL] Had never heard of it. Checked it out. You make a bid to get a date with the lady. The minimum package to be able to send and receive messages is 50 bucks. I created a profile but didn't buy a membership yet. May or may not. Anyone have any experience with this site? I did a search through the local ladies and lo and behold, came across a profile of a CL advertiser that has been reviewed on her numerous times. I knew it was her because one of the pics on her profile was a pic she had texted me back in early summer. If I decide to take the plunge I will report back on any success stories. Stay warm.[/QUOTE]
What's you price uses a paid for token system to unlock emails. Communication is a mix of text and emails, no phone calls. For me at least, more often than not, the girls never showed up. Scam? Who knows, but do the math, this didn't work out.
Most girls suggested a price between $200 to $500 for a date, I negotiated. Never did get lucky.
This is first post. Although I know a couple of guys on here. They are south side guys and have no info on ladies north of Milwaukee. I live north and east of west bend. Since my wife has retired I need a lady in Jackson, west bend, slinger or kewaskum. So far I have struck. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks T.
[QUOTE=Toshi69;2271602]I'm more of a point and click guy.
I tried it couple of months ago, wasn't highly impressed. For the most part, To get anywhere, you have to invest time, have game, helps to be young and good looking. Found a lot of game playing, differing expectations and dead ends.
Girls on sugerdaddyforme are more focused on what you are looking for.
Another senior recently turned me on to seeking arrangement, and so far that's been pretty fruitful. Girls for the most part are quite a step up. You need game and time here as well, but seems (so far) worth the effort.
I also found it helpful when I travel, much better than craiglslist, particularly in a college town.[/QUOTE]Nice to know SA actually works. I have a gauge for these websites. I set up a free profile without much info and without a photo. I make the profile so lacking that nobody should think of replying. I then wait for a week. If I get a bunch of interests or mails waiting to be read on the condition I paid some money, I usually consider the website a scam. That happened to me with SA. The only similar sites I've had luck with are adultfriendfinder.
And ************* but believe me it takes a lot of work and time to score a genuine one that would deliver. I guess I need to give SA another try if people have had success.
[QUOTE=OlderFunGuy;2271527]I was watching 20/20 on Friday night and they did a segment on [URL]WhatsYourPrice.com[/URL] Had never heard of it. Checked it out. You make a bid to get a date with the lady. The minimum package to be able to send and receive messages is 50 bucks. I created a profile but didn't buy a membership yet. May or may not. Anyone have any experience with this site? I did a search through the local ladies and lo and behold, came across a profile of a CL advertiser that has been reviewed on her numerous times. I knew it was her because one of the pics on her profile was a pic she had texted me back in early summer. If I decide to take the plunge I will report back on any success stories. Stay warm.[/QUOTE]I've been on WYP for a while. Overall, I'd say it sucks and not in a good way. I have scored a few good hookups off the site and one possible FWB keeper. But the BS level is way up there, with all the wannabe princesses that seem to expect a guy to throw bushels of money at them and show them a good time in exchange for the questionable pleasure of their company. Makes me wonder if there are guys stupid enough to buy into that crap. I gloss over any profile that mentions "fine dineing" or "shopping" as first date preferences. I get offers of $100 from young cuties but I'd have to spend $10 worth of credits just to ask what I would get for my $$. If I make an offer, it's usually $50 and suggest a coffee date to talk. Like someone else mentioned; it would take some time and $$ investment to find the little bit of gold in that mine. Or some serious game, which is not my thing.
LOL: I had a $100 date lined up on WYP with Lisa Marie long before I found out from this site that she is a Tier 1 pro. And as many of her regulars mentioned; she kept putting me off and it never happened. I wonder how long it would have taken to figure out her game without the info I got here?
Well,
Naturally I can't prove it, just have my antidotal experience.
This site is full of phantom girls, likely working for the site. They answer positively, you pay tolkens, they correspond more. When it comes to the actual meet, guess what? No show no more communication at all. I did complain to the admin, but no answer there either.
I had one real girl out of 5, and she was a dud.
My advice, simply avoid.
[QUOTE=DieselMike;2272296]I've been on WYP for a while. Overall, I'd say it sucks and not in a good way. I have scored a few good hookups off the site and one possible FWB keeper. But the BS level is way up there, with all the wannabe princesses that seem to expect a guy to throw bushels of money at them and show them a good time in exchange for the questionable pleasure of their company. Makes me wonder if there are guys stupid enough to buy into that crap. I gloss over any profile that mentions "fine dineing" or "shopping" as first date preferences. I get offers of $100 from young cuties but I'd have to spend $10 worth of credits just to ask what I would get for my $$. If I make an offer, it's usually $50 and suggest a coffee date to talk. Like someone else mentioned; it would take some time and $$ investment to find the little bit of gold in that mine. Or some serious game, which is not my thing.
LOL: I had a $100 date lined up on WYP with Lisa Marie long before I found out from this site that she is a Tier 1 pro. And as many of her regulars mentioned; she kept putting me off and it never happened. I wonder how long it would have taken to figure out her game without the info I got here?[/QUOTE].
I've read that the phantom thing is common on dating sites. I wonder if that's one of those "work from home" schemes. I had several no shows on WYP. Not sure if they were phantoms or just stupid and got cold feet. Poor comms with all of them, same as with the regular working girls. I got them to switch to regular email away from the site but then they flaked out on the date. One from West Allis, Jill, that I was able to get a real name, did the usual checks and found she met the Lefty profile to a "T". Had a date set up and she just stopped comms. I thought she might be a casual pro, so I sent her an email saying I was OK with pay for play if that was the game. Still no response.
My take on that site is there are all types there: pros looking for a safe advertising venue, chicks of all ages looking for some action and $$ those looking for just the $$ and those looking for true love with Prince Charming.
I wrote this for elsewhere. I bring it here for information only. I know many of you don't like to spend this level of money, to each their own, but for those of you who enjoy young UTR girls, here you go. Seeking Arrangement is a Sugar Daddy / Sugar Baby website. There are other sites of this kind, and I have no idea is one is better than another, but Seeking Arrangement is the one I happened to use, based on advice right in this forum.
If you read the site's self-description, you might imagine it's for billionaires who want a gorgeous young thing to take to the opera on their arm, then squire them home in their limo, kiss them chastely on the lips, and give them a few thousand dollars. There are many, many women on the site who believe this too. But there aren't many billionaires in this world and those that exist aren't looking for Jenny from Wisconsin on a website.
In fact, this is for women who want presents or cash in exchange for dates, usually dates with a sexual component. This is much, much more difficult than searching for a traditional escort. The payoff, however, can be huge.
Here's what you'll need if you want to play: First, $70 to sign up for a month on the site; for maximum safety use a prepaid credit card from the drugstore. Second, a budget for lunches, dinners, drinks. Third, a disposable phone with minutes, and a free email address. Finally, lots and lots of time.
When you sign up, you'll need a picture for your profile. Google Reverse Image Search is your friend here. Take a real picture of yourself, reverse search it for similar images, find someone who looks something like you, and use their image. Don't use your Facebook profile picture. Don't use a picture with other people you know in it.
You can make up whatever details you like, but my advice is to make your profile fit whatever believable, larger story you want to tell. If you put down that you're single, then you would be available nights, right? Unless, of course, you work nights or have some other reason to be busy. Give it some thought before you post your profile. You can't put a phone number or email address on your profile, and this is enforced. They also encourage you not to use your real name.
Then, messages will start to come in. The search function is easy and intuitive. Beware, however, that every time you look at a member's profile, they will be notified. If you "favorite" someone, they will be notified. When you read a message someone sends you, they can tell by a little icon on the messaging page. The default is that you can see when someone joined and when they were last active, although this can be turned off. In general, this is not like facebook with the ability to silently stalk anyone you like. Rather, your every move will be seen by the sugar babies, and they will come out of the woodwork if they see you looking at their profile.
Then the dance begins. My advice is to be respectful, and polite, but early on make clear you're looking for private time and intimacy. Those code words seem to work wonders. You will hear from some of the women, "private time is ok, but of course no sexual contact, this is just companionship. " If you seek conversation only, go right ahead. It's possible some of them are just saying that as a cover, but I think the majority of these women actually buy into the facade of the site, and no means no.
From other women, you will hear a middle ground: "I'the like to be comfortable with you in public before I spend time with you alone. " These might be worth pursuing, but beware. One woman wanted $500 to have what would clearly be only drinks and conversation with her. I declined, so she told me I was mistakenly looking for an escort on a Sugar Baby site and cut me off. OK.
Finally there is the easiest category, women who are comfortable with the suggestion of "private time. " One woman bluntly told me she didn't have a place we could go to be alone, but I would have to provide one. Pretty clear sign.
Still, it's not necessarily straightforward. One very sexy young woman made clear she understood the deal. We met for dinner, got along, but she needed to leave, so we agreed to meet again. She went so far as to message me with a price: $300 "per adventure" paid in advance. OK, I thought, the masks are off. On the appointed day she asked where we were meeting. I texted back the name of a hotel. She blew up. Apparently asking her to meet me at a hotel made her feel like a "common prostitute. " Um, you actually quoted me a price, lady. I gracefully exited, deciding she wasn't worth pursuing, even as she said it would all be ok, we just needed to meet somewhere "nice" first. The thing about these sites is, there are a LOT of fish in the sea, and you can always move on.
Here's the strategy I landed on. Meet a lady for a late lunch or dinner at a pleasant restaurant that happens to be inside, attached to, or near a hotel. Know in advance that the hotel has vacancies. If all goes well, linger, then say something like "I'm having such a good time, I wish I could keep spending time with you. What are your plans?" If she says she has none, try to seal the deal. "We could go have a drink, or maybe talk about going somewhere private. " That's a carefully worded sentence, and you have an out. You only said you want to talk about it. But if she's ok with it, then suggest "I could see if they have a room available. ".
My best success so far: a young, intelligent, extremely hot woman in her twenties. After a nice lunch and a drink, she's agreeable to the idea of getting a room. I gave her a little money and sent her for more drinks, mostly so she doesn't hear my real name at the front desk. We went upstairs and talked more in the room over our drinks, building the anticipation. Finally we attacked one another. She tore my clothes off and sucked and fucked me like she meant it. Condom on my insistence not hers. A specific amount was not discussed in advance. We did it four times over three hours, and it was fun, relaxed, and so damn hot, the real deal with a smoking young amateur. I left $400 on her purse. She was thrilled and said she hopes I'll call again. I probably will. A three-hour multiples session with a smoking hot twentysomething? Yes, please.
A few other suggestions: Your membership is monthly and expensive, so collecting email addresses and phone numbers by private message is to your advantage. As your membership runs out, make sure to save the info on members you might want to pursue. Make that month count, put in the time, and you'll have one or two fantastic regulars. Keep your real name out of it. Use that disposable phone and free email address exclusively.
I find the women, for the most part, give up their real information easily. I can find the actual names, phone numbers, facebook pages, etc. Of most of the women that I met in person and many I only messaged with on the site. Don't make the same mistake, especially when so many of the women can be touchy about the nature of what the site is really all about. One of the women you're "courting" could turn on you, upset that you're "implying something," and suddenly you're in trouble if she knows your identity.
I make no promise using these sites will help you find "better" or "cheaper" than backpage or eros-guide or anything like that. In my experience you can find some women who are full-time pros, the same women from backpage, at roughly the same prices. You probably won't find too many $40 car-date girls if that's your thing, but you never know. It's the others, the amateurs who are morally ok with this but not quite at the pro level, that get me going. I think there's all sorts on Sugar Baby sites, from perfect women who expect to be paid to talk to you to barely-literate strippers. It's about the thrill of the chase, and the promise of a relationship that's slightly more interesting, usually with a woman who genuinely wants to please you, because it's in her own long-term interest. That makes each individual session better, because if you do it right, you're with a woman who wants to keep a good thing going, not a woman who's already collected your money and is watching the clock tick.
Excellent point. But way too much work. I personally know several female members of SA. All but one is a drug addict. Some are pregnant. One was a Playboy model with a Ccap driving record that exceeds a couple of pages. Really got to watch for the ones who say they are 18-21. More like 16-17 and I would not even want to be caught alone with them at any point. First I'm not going on any dates, no dinner, no drinks. I don't want to hear her stupid story. The more I hear the more I just want to let them go.
I met a new neighbor tonight, moved in with her sister down the street. Late 50's, skinny (at least that going for her), unemployed, and a butter face. Looked like low hanging fruit so why not. Had her over, got her lubed with some liquor. Then she just had to start opening up her mouth. Ex husband cocaine addict, kids all addicts and alkies. No money, no job, can't meet a nice guy. The more she talks the more I notice she has missed a few dental appointments. I'm noticing more and more wrinkles on the weathered face. Should I take the blue pill or not? I say NOT! Well now she's asleep in my recliner. Booze and whatever meds she is on don't mix well. Guess I will let her sleep it off. Or should I go back in there, pull off her pants and give DATY to some day old deli meat covered in hair that smells like a tuna can? Got a feeling nearly everyone that reads this has been there, done that. With a new neighbor you don't know what kind of can or worms your are opening. With a paid provider, you don't have to see them again. But with a neighbor, they will come back. Especially if you give them a good time. Worse, they might knock on the door when you got another neighbor bent over.
Those AMPs sound really good right now.
Excellent summary and advice.
[QUOTE=Whistles;2273405]I wrote this for elsewhere. I bring it here for information only. I know many of you don't like to spend this level of money, to each their own, but for those of you who enjoy young UTR girls, here you go. Seeking Arrangement is a Sugar Daddy / Sugar Baby website. There are other sites of this kind, and I have no idea is one is better than another, but Seeking Arrangement is the one I happened to use, based on advice right in this forum.
If you read the site's self-description, you might imagine it's for billionaires who want a gorgeous young thing to take to the opera on their arm, then squire them home in their limo, kiss them chastely on the lips, and give them a few thousand dollars. There are many, many women on the site who believe this too. But there aren't many billionaires in this world and those that exist aren't looking for Jenny from Wisconsin on a website.
In fact, this is for women who want presents or cash in exchange for dates, usually dates with a sexual component. This is much, much more difficult than searching for a traditional escort. The payoff, however, can be huge.
Here's what you'll need if you want to play: First, $70 to sign up for a month on the site; for maximum safety use a prepaid credit card from the drugstore. Second, a budget for lunches, dinners, drinks. Third, a disposable phone with minutes, and a free email address. Finally, lots and lots of time.
When you sign up, you'll need a picture for your profile. Google Reverse Image Search is your friend here. Take a real picture of yourself, reverse search it for similar images, find someone who looks something like you, and use their image. Don't use your Facebook profile picture. Don't use a picture with other people you know in it.
You can make up whatever details you like, but my advice is to make your profile fit whatever believable, larger story you want to tell. If you put down that you're single, then you would be available nights, right? Unless, of course, you work nights or have some other reason to be busy. Give it some thought before you post your profile. You can't put a phone number or email address on your profile, and this is enforced. They also encourage you not to use your real name.
Then, messages will start to come in. The search function is easy and intuitive. Beware, however, that every time you look at a member's profile, they will be notified. If you "favorite" someone, they will be notified. When you read a message someone sends you, they can tell by a little icon on the messaging page. The default is that you can see when someone joined and when they were last active, although this can be turned off. In general, this is not like facebook with the ability to silently stalk anyone you like. Rather, your every move will be seen by the sugar babies, and they will come out of the woodwork if they see you looking at their profile.
Then the dance begins. My advice is to be respectful, and polite, but early on make clear you're looking for private time and intimacy. Those code words seem to work wonders. You will hear from some of the women, "private time is ok, but of course no sexual contact, this is just companionship. " If you seek conversation only, go right ahead. It's possible some of them are just saying that as a cover, but I think the majority of these women actually buy into the facade of the site, and no means no.
From other women, you will hear a middle ground: "I'the like to be comfortable with you in public before I spend time with you alone. " These might be worth pursuing, but beware. One woman wanted $500 to have what would clearly be only drinks and conversation with her. I declined, so she told me I was mistakenly looking for an escort on a Sugar Baby site and cut me off. OK.
Finally there is the easiest category, women who are comfortable with the suggestion of "private time. " One woman bluntly told me she didn't have a place we could go to be alone, but I would have to provide one. Pretty clear sign.
Still, it's not necessarily straightforward. One very sexy young woman made clear she understood the deal. We met for dinner, got along, but she needed to leave, so we agreed to meet again. She went so far as to message me with a price: $300 "per adventure" paid in advance. OK, I thought, the masks are off. On the appointed day she asked where we were meeting. I texted back the name of a hotel. She blew up. Apparently asking her to meet me at a hotel made her feel like a "common prostitute. " Um, you actually quoted me a price, lady. I gracefully exited, deciding she wasn't worth pursuing, even as she said it would all be ok, we just needed to meet somewhere "nice" first. The thing about these sites is, there are a LOT of fish in the sea, and you can always move on.
Here's the strategy I landed on. Meet a lady for a late lunch or dinner at a pleasant restaurant that happens to be inside, attached to, or near a hotel. Know in advance that the hotel has vacancies. If all goes well, linger, then say something like "I'm having such a good time, I wish I could keep spending time with you. What are your plans?" If she says she has none, try to seal the deal. "We could go have a drink, or maybe talk about going somewhere private. " That's a carefully worded sentence, and you have an out. You only said you want to talk about it. But if she's ok with it, then suggest "I could see if they have a room available. ".
My best success so far: a young, intelligent, extremely hot woman in her twenties. After a nice lunch and a drink, she's agreeable to the idea of getting a room. I gave her a little money and sent her for more drinks, mostly so she doesn't hear my real name at the front desk. We went upstairs and talked more in the room over our drinks, building the anticipation. Finally we attacked one another. She tore my clothes off and sucked and fucked me like she meant it. Condom on my insistence not hers. A specific amount was not discussed in advance. We did it four times over three hours, and it was fun, relaxed, and so damn hot, the real deal with a smoking young amateur. I left $400 on her purse. She was thrilled and said she hopes I'll call again. I probably will. A three-hour multiples session with a smoking hot twentysomething? Yes, please.
A few other suggestions: Your membership is monthly and expensive, so collecting email addresses and phone numbers by private message is to your advantage. As your membership runs out, make sure to save the info on members you might want to pursue. Make that month count, put in the time, and you'll have one or two fantastic regulars. Keep your real name out of it. Use that disposable phone and free email address exclusively.
I find the women, for the most part, give up their real information easily. I can find the actual names, phone numbers, facebook pages, etc. Of most of the women that I met in person and many I only messaged with on the site. Don't make the same mistake, especially when so many of the women can be touchy about the nature of what the site is really all about. One of the women you're "courting" could turn on you, upset that you're "implying something," and suddenly you're in trouble if she knows your identity.
I make no promise using these sites will help you find "better" or "cheaper" than backpage or eros-guide or anything like that. In my experience you can find some women who are full-time pros, the same women from backpage, at roughly the same prices. You probably won't find too many $40 car-date girls if that's your thing, but you never know. It's the others, the amateurs who are morally ok with this but not quite at the pro level, that get me going. I think there's all sorts on Sugar Baby sites, from perfect women who expect to be paid to talk to you to barely-literate strippers. It's about the thrill of the chase, and the promise of a relationship that's slightly more interesting, usually with a woman who genuinely wants to please you, because it's in her own long-term interest. That makes each individual session better, because if you do it right, you're with a woman who wants to keep a good thing going, not a woman who's already collected your money and is watching the clock tick.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LookingForLefty;2273812]Excellent point. But way too much work. I personally know several female members of SA. All but one is a drug addict. Some are pregnant. One was a Playboy model with a Ccap driving record that exceeds a couple of pages. Really got to watch for the ones who say they are 18-21. More like 16-17 and I would not even want to be caught alone with them at any point. First I'm not going on any dates, no dinner, no drinks. I don't want to hear her stupid story. The more I hear the more I just want to let them go.
I met a new neighbor tonight, moved in with her sister down the street. Late 50's, skinny (at least that going for her), unemployed, and a butter face. Looked like low hanging fruit so why not. Had her over, got her lubed with some liquor. Then she just had to start opening up her mouth. Ex husband cocaine addict, kids all addicts and alkies. No money, no job, can't meet a nice guy. The more she talks the more I notice she has missed a few dental appointments. I'm noticing more and more wrinkles on the weathered face. Should I take the blue pill or not? I say NOT! Well now she's asleep in my recliner. Booze and whatever meds she is on don't mix well. Guess I will let her sleep it off. Or should I go back in there, pull off her pants and give DATY to some day old deli meat covered in hair that smells like a tuna can? Got a feeling nearly everyone that reads this has been there, done that. With a new neighbor you don't know what kind of can or worms your are opening. With a paid provider, you don't have to see them again. But with a neighbor, they will come back. Especially if you give them a good time. Worse, they might knock on the door when you got another neighbor bent over.
Those AMPs sound really good right now.[/QUOTE]You have got to be one lucky person with all the neighbors you attract. You gift for writing is undeniable. LOL. Keep it up. But I think you have been!
The buddha was known to have a few qualities: patience was one of them.
[QUOTE=Whistles;2273405]I wrote this for elsewhere. I bring it here for information only. I know many of you don't like to spend this level of money, to each their own, but for those of you who enjoy young UTR girls, here you go. Seeking Arrangement is a Sugar Daddy / Sugar Baby website. There are other sites of this kind, and I have no idea is one is better than another, but Seeking Arrangement is the one I happened to use, based on advice right in this forum.
If you read the site's self-description, you might imagine it's for billionaires who want a gorgeous young thing to take to the opera on their arm, then squire them home in their limo, kiss them chastely on the lips, and give them a few thousand dollars. There are many, many women on the site who believe this too. But there aren't many billionaires in this world and those that exist aren't looking for Jenny from Wisconsin on a website.
In fact, this is for women who want presents or cash in exchange for dates, usually dates with a sexual component. This is much, much more difficult than searching for a traditional escort. The payoff, however, can be huge.
Here's what you'll need if you want to play: First, $70 to sign up for a month on the site; for maximum safety use a prepaid credit card from the drugstore. Second, a budget for lunches, dinners, drinks. Third, a disposable phone with minutes, and a free email address. Finally, lots and lots of time.
When you sign up, you'll need a picture for your profile. Google Reverse Image Search is your friend here. Take a real picture of yourself, reverse search it for similar images, find someone who looks something like you, and use their image. Don't use your Facebook profile picture. Don't use a picture with other people you know in it.
You can make up whatever details you like, but my advice is to make your profile fit whatever believable, larger story you want to tell. If you put down that you're single, then you would be available nights, right? Unless, of course, you work nights or have some other reason to be busy. Give it some thought before you post your profile. You can't put a phone number or email address on your profile, and this is enforced. They also encourage you not to use your real name.
Then, messages will start to come in. The search function is easy and intuitive. Beware, however, that every time you look at a member's profile, they will be notified. If you "favorite" someone, they will be notified. When you read a message someone sends you, they can tell by a little icon on the messaging page. The default is that you can see when someone joined and when they were last active, although this can be turned off. In general, this is not like facebook with the ability to silently stalk anyone you like. Rather, your every move will be seen by the sugar babies, and they will come out of the woodwork if they see you looking at their profile.
Then the dance begins. My advice is to be respectful, and polite, but early on make clear you're looking for private time and intimacy. Those code words seem to work wonders. You will hear from some of the women, "private time is ok, but of course no sexual contact, this is just companionship. " If you seek conversation only, go right ahead. It's possible some of them are just saying that as a cover, but I think the majority of these women actually buy into the facade of the site, and no means no.
From other women, you will hear a middle ground: "I'the like to be comfortable with you in public before I spend time with you alone. " These might be worth pursuing, but beware. One woman wanted $500 to have what would clearly be only drinks and conversation with her. I declined, so she told me I was mistakenly looking for an escort on a Sugar Baby site and cut me off. OK.
Finally there is the easiest category, women who are comfortable with the suggestion of "private time. " One woman bluntly told me she didn't have a place we could go to be alone, but I would have to provide one. Pretty clear sign.
Still, it's not necessarily straightforward. One very sexy young woman made clear she understood the deal. We met for dinner, got along, but she needed to leave, so we agreed to meet again. She went so far as to message me with a price: $300 "per adventure" paid in advance. OK, I thought, the masks are off. On the appointed day she asked where we were meeting. I texted back the name of a hotel. She blew up. Apparently asking her to meet me at a hotel made her feel like a "common prostitute. " Um, you actually quoted me a price, lady. I gracefully exited, deciding she wasn't worth pursuing, even as she said it would all be ok, we just needed to meet somewhere "nice" first. The thing about these sites is, there are a LOT of fish in the sea, and you can always move on.
Here's the strategy I landed on. Meet a lady for a late lunch or dinner at a pleasant restaurant that happens to be inside, attached to, or near a hotel. Know in advance that the hotel has vacancies. If all goes well, linger, then say something like "I'm having such a good time, I wish I could keep spending time with you. What are your plans?" If she says she has none, try to seal the deal. "We could go have a drink, or maybe talk about going somewhere private. " That's a carefully worded sentence, and you have an out. You only said you want to talk about it. But if she's ok with it, then suggest "I could see if they have a room available. ".
My best success so far: a young, intelligent, extremely hot woman in her twenties. After a nice lunch and a drink, she's agreeable to the idea of getting a room. I gave her a little money and sent her for more drinks, mostly so she doesn't hear my real name at the front desk. We went upstairs and talked more in the room over our drinks, building the anticipation. Finally we attacked one another. She tore my clothes off and sucked and fucked me like she meant it. Condom on my insistence not hers. A specific amount was not discussed in advance. We did it four times over three hours, and it was fun, relaxed, and so damn hot, the real deal with a smoking young amateur. I left $400 on her purse. She was thrilled and said she hopes I'll call again. I probably will. A three-hour multiples session with a smoking hot twentysomething? Yes, please.
A few other suggestions: Your membership is monthly and expensive, so collecting email addresses and phone numbers by private message is to your advantage. As your membership runs out, make sure to save the info on members you might want to pursue. Make that month count, put in the time, and you'll have one or two fantastic regulars. Keep your real name out of it. Use that disposable phone and free email address exclusively.
I find the women, for the most part, give up their real information easily. I can find the actual names, phone numbers, facebook pages, etc. Of most of the women that I met in person and many I only messaged with on the site. Don't make the same mistake, especially when so many of the women can be touchy about the nature of what the site is really all about. One of the women you're "courting" could turn on you, upset that you're "implying something," and suddenly you're in trouble if she knows your identity.
I make no promise using these sites will help you find "better" or "cheaper" than backpage or eros-guide or anything like that. In my experience you can find some women who are full-time pros, the same women from backpage, at roughly the same prices. You probably won't find too many $40 car-date girls if that's your thing, but you never know. It's the others, the amateurs who are morally ok with this but not quite at the pro level, that get me going. I think there's all sorts on Sugar Baby sites, from perfect women who expect to be paid to talk to you to barely-literate strippers. It's about the thrill of the chase, and the promise of a relationship that's slightly more interesting, usually with a woman who genuinely wants to please you, because it's in her own long-term interest. That makes each individual session better, because if you do it right, you're with a woman who wants to keep a good thing going, not a woman who's already collected your money and is watching the clock tick.[/QUOTE]
Excellent report and great information! As for me, I wouldn't put that kind of time and money into it. Just about every woman I've dated (not in the hobby) believes they have The Golden Pussy and would command thousands if they were to sell it, the women you described seem to be along that same vein.
Roland.
I'm relatively new here, but a long time member on various other boards. This site is by far the best in terms of providing information and realistic perspective. Thanks for the informative and entertaining posts. You senior guys do a great service to newer members who are smart enough to listen and learn from your good and bad experiences. I continue to hunt and will always share anything that contributes to the team. Thanks again.
No doubt it's more work than BP and certainly there are a lot of troubled women on SA. But I would venture there's a smaller percentage of drug addicts / convicted offenders on SA than BP. The beauty of drug addicts is they're essentially incapable of hiding their problem if you communicate with them for any time at all, whereas in a 2-call system off BP you won't know until you show up at a notel and see the track marks. The over 18 issue concerns me too, and it's a great point. As I said, these girls give up their personal info like it's nothing so I've been able to confirm actual ages etc. In almost every case. Certainly I have with the ones I've gotten alone.
Day old deli meat covered in hair that smells like a tuna can.
You, my friend, are a brilliant monger-wordsmith.
[QUOTE=LookingForLefty;2273812]Excellent point. But way too much work. I personally know several female members of SA. All but one is a drug addict. Some are pregnant. One was a Playboy model with a Ccap driving record that exceeds a couple of pages. Really got to watch for the ones who say they are 18-21. More like 16-17 and I would not even want to be caught alone with them at any point. First I'm not going on any dates, no dinner, no drinks. I don't want to hear her stupid story. The more I hear the more I just want to let them go.
I met a new neighbor tonight, moved in with her sister down the street. Late 50's, skinny (at least that going for her), unemployed, and a butter face. Looked like low hanging fruit so why not. Had her over, got her lubed with some liquor. Then she just had to start opening up her mouth. Ex husband cocaine addict, kids all addicts and alkies. No money, no job, can't meet a nice guy. The more she talks the more I notice she has missed a few dental appointments. I'm noticing more and more wrinkles on the weathered face. Should I take the blue pill or not? I say NOT! Well now she's asleep in my recliner. Booze and whatever meds she is on don't mix well. Guess I will let her sleep it off. Or should I go back in there, pull off her pants and give DATY to some day old deli meat covered in hair that smells like a tuna can? Got a feeling nearly everyone that reads this has been there, done that. With a new neighbor you don't know what kind of can or worms your are opening. With a paid provider, you don't have to see them again. But with a neighbor, they will come back. Especially if you give them a good time. Worse, they might knock on the door when you got another neighbor bent over.
Those AMPs sound really good right now.[/QUOTE]
Occasionally some providers fall on hard times. Escaping from overly possssive boyfriends, pimps, or just booted out of the house by angry parents. Often these girls have no place to go. Some of these girls are honest and some of them are not. I would like to find mongers without an SO who would be willing to put a girl up for a night or two. Please pm me if this is something you would be willing to do.
[QUOTE=Whistles;2274082]No doubt it's more work than BP and certainly there are a lot of troubled women on SA. But I would venture there's a smaller percentage of drug addicts / convicted offenders on SA than BP. The beauty of drug addicts is they're essentially incapable of hiding their problem if you communicate with them for any time at all, whereas in a 2-call system off BP you won't know until you show up at a notel and see the track marks. The over 18 issue concerns me too, and it's a great point. As I said, these girls give up their personal info like it's nothing so I've been able to confirm actual ages etc. In almost every case. Certainly I have with the ones I've gotten alone.
Day old deli meat covered in hair that smells like a tuna can.
You, my friend, are a brilliant monger-wordsmith.[/QUOTE]I'm sure the addiction is lower on SA. Its just if I know them by name, it means I've Facebooked them, Ccapped them, maybe fucked there mom a few years ago, so if I know them, they must be messed up. I want nothing to do with the 18 sh game. They don't know what they are doing and are more trouble than what they are worth. Just give me a skinny 28 year old butter face that needs rent and grocery money, and I'm happy.
[QUOTE=RolandDeschain;2274023]Excellent report and great information! As for me, I wouldn't put that kind of time and money into it. Just about every woman I've dated (not in the hobby) believes they have The Golden Pussy and would command thousands if they were to sell it, the women you described seem to be along that same vein.
Roland.[/QUOTE]I agree. It seems that their expectations get ramped up by going thru those websites. I tried putting an ad in Backpage. Looking for Sugar Babe, but so far the results have not been promising. As soon as they read "Sugar Babe" the dollar signs light up in their eyes. They forget that they have to perform.
As far as commanding thousands to sell it, I tell them I don't want to buy the pussy, I just want rent it.
Whistles, your thoughts about SA are eloquent, and spot on. Additionally you share some clever operational techniques that newbees need to include in their kit bag.
I agree SA's not perfect, but what is? More expensive? Yup. GPS? Yup. Takes an investment of time, $$, thoughtful approach all applied with game? Yup. Some dead ends? Yup. And sometimes they do skew young. The first one I hooked up with just a month or two past 18 (and yes I checked, rechecked and verified) But the opportunity to hook up with a young lady who truly rocks your world who otherwise wouldn't look twice at you. Priceless.
While I'm not closing the door on other sources / techniques, I'm not getting that fairly consistent quality from craigslist, backpage, the streets or most anywhere else (Disclaimer, I not 18 anymore, getting fat and gray, an apparently my neighborhood doesn't have winners ol lefty finds).
For those who want some deeper information research the Richmond VA forum here [URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not[/URL].
Is fairly detailed.
[QUOTE=Whistles;2274082]No doubt it's more work than BP and certainly there are a lot of troubled women on SA. But I would venture there's a smaller percentage of drug addicts / convicted offenders on SA than BP. The beauty of drug addicts is they're essentially incapable of hiding their problem if you communicate with them for any time at all, whereas in a 2-call system off BP you won't know until you show up at a notel and see the track marks. The over 18 issue concerns me too, and it's a great point. As I said, these girls give up their personal info like it's nothing so I've been able to confirm actual ages etc. In almost every case. Certainly I have with the ones I've gotten alone.
Day old deli meat covered in hair that smells like a tuna can.
You, my friend, are a brilliant monger-wordsmith.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LookingForLefty;2274243]I'm sure the addiction is lower on SA. Its just if I know them by name, it means I've Facebooked them, Ccapped them, maybe fucked there mom a few years ago, so if I know them, they must be messed up. I want nothing to do with the 18 sh game. They don't know what they are doing and are more trouble than what they are worth. Just give me a skinny 28 year old butter face that needs rent and grocery money, and I'm happy.[/QUOTE]You just described Mandy Love to a "T"! <G .
CM.
So I'm a newbie here and trying to find a place to try out my first experience but I am a little confused about the abbreviations being used. What is SA? And what is WYP? Could someone maybe private message me with an explanation of what they are and how they work? I would greatly appreciate it. Also any tips for newbies would be great too.
So I'm a newbie here and trying to find a place to try out my first experience but I am a little confused about the abbreviations being used. What is SA? And what is WYP? Could someone maybe private message me with an explanation of what they are and how they work? I would greatly appreciate it. Also any tips for newbies would be great too.
[QUOTE=Pat1994;2275377]So I'm a newbie here and trying to find a place to try out my first experience but I am a little confused about the abbreviations being used. What is SA? And what is WYP? Could someone maybe private message me with an explanation of what they are and how they work? I would greatly appreciate it. Also any tips for newbies would be great too.[/QUOTE]Actually if you spent the time and read the posts about them they are spelled out by name. I'm sure if you look back and read the members contributions here you'll learn plenty. It just takes a little bit of effort.
I had a bad experience with an agency about a week ago. I got a few threats that day. I would like to share it but I'm a bit worried about my safety bcos I know these people would have some muscle working for them. My question is this: if I post a review here, can it be traced back to me? I know it might be a silly question but I'm not computer savvy at all.
Don't feel too bad, glancing through the discussion, I went through half of it thinking it was "Super America" - I didn't know gas stations were a popular place to pick up chicks (though I did have the unfortunate experience of hearing something going on in a stall at a truck stop along the I. Wasn't sure if it was something going out or in of the guys butt).
Anyway, reading further down, I discovered SA was Seeking Arrangements. Essentially a site for prostitutes who don't want admit they're prostitutes or needy women who should be prostitutes but aren't.
WYP. Well, that one I don't know. Perchance "While You Pee"? "Wisconsin Yellow Pages"? "White Young Pu $$why"?
I've been here for years, and I still have to think what $. 5 means. Eventually you might run into someone writing about the oTHer site. I'll leave that one for you to figure out on your own.
[QUOTE=Pat1994;2275377]So I'm a newbie here and trying to find a place to try out my first experience but I am a little confused about the abbreviations being used. What is SA? And what is WYP? Could someone maybe private message me with an explanation of what they are and how they work? I would greatly appreciate it. Also any tips for newbies would be great too.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Daprip;2275830]I had a bad experience with an agency about a week ago. I got a few threats that day. I would like to share it but I'm a bit worried about my safety bcos I know these people would have some muscle working for them. My question is this: if I post a review here, can it be traced back to me? I know it might be a silly question but I'm not computer savvy at all.[/QUOTE]Highly unlikely. Unless "Daprip" is a dead giveaway to your identity in real life.
[QUOTE=ItaloSamoa;2276318]real life[/QUOTE]Please clean out your pms ItaloSamoa.
Has anybody seen this girl before? She was on an escort site in Chicago for a short time, and then she disappeared. I think it might have been [URL]chicagocovergirls.com[/URL], although I don't really recall. Anyway she has "Veni Vidi Vici" tattooed across her chest. I think I might have also seen her on an amatuer porn site, although I can't remember which one.
Anyway, I found her the other day on the WYP site.
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[QUOTE=Daprip;2275830]I had a bad experience with an agency about a week ago. I got a few threats that day. I would like to share it but I'm a bit worried about my safety bcos I know these people would have some muscle working for them. My question is this: if I post a review here, can it be traced back to me? I know it might be a silly question but I'm not computer savvy at all.[/QUOTE]I am not very techno at all so I have no clue how anonymous your I'd is here. But even if it is 100% secure you might want to let some time elapse before posting since they know who you are. If you posted about the bad agency & described what transpired it could be fresh in their memory and they could put 2+2 together. If you wait, say a month before reporting, by then they will most likely not remember the incident well enough to figure out it was you. (Assuming they are aware of & read this forum which may be unlikely?) If they are bad actors then they probably have dozens of "incidents" per month so by then yours would be long forgotten ancient history.
[QUOTE=Pat1994;2275377]So I'm a newbie here and trying to find a place to try out my first experience but I am a little confused about the abbreviations being used. What is SA? And what is WYP? Could someone maybe private message me with an explanation of what they are and how they work? I would greatly appreciate it. Also any tips for newbies would be great too.[/QUOTE]SA = SeekingArrangements.
WYP = WhatsYourPrice.
She was on my bucket list. I know for a fact that she's on Model Mayhem. I'll see if I can dig it up.
[QUOTE=PornFan1000;2276550]Has anybody seen this girl before? She was on an escort site in Chicago for a short time, and then she disappeared. I think it might have been [URL]chicagocovergirls.com[/URL], although I don't really recall. Anyway she has "Veni Vidi Vici" tattooed across her chest. I think I might have also seen her on an amatuer porn site, although I can't remember which one.
Anyway, I found her the other day on the WYP site.
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[QUOTE=Wanderer1;2276503]Please clean out your pms ItaloSamoa.[/QUOTE]It's clear.