"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

JG,

Always good to hear from you.

I have been posting some posts on CL (in the gigs section) and found some legit respond. Which section you used?

Good Luck to all in 2014.

[QUOTE=JohnGSmith;1978937]I just wanted to stop by and say Hi to the brotherhood, I know it's been awhile. Looks like I have a lot of reports to catch up on! I had a few people PM me wondering if I got busted or something, so I just wanted to give a quick update.

I'm doing fine, I haven't been busted by the warden or even come close to exposure lately. It's just I decided to scale back my Sugar Bowl activities a bit and I'm also working on an interesting project which I'll share with Senior Members on this board very soon. So I just haven't had too much time on my hands.

As mentioned I'm really trying to streamline my SB activities lately and tighten the belt. Most of my SBs from the summer have been let go or are in the wind, and I've let my memberships expire on the SD sites. Interestingly enough, my current two SBs who are smokin' hot but also have small budget demands, I found from doing a CL ad. Earlier last year when I posted some CL ads, I got spam or hideous responses. Pretty much a waste of time. But I recently decided to do a little panning in CL and I struck gold surprisingly. Both girls are new to the Sugar Bowl, both are educated, both are young and hot with modest financial demands. I've never ever got such good responses from CL even a couple of years ago, so the Sugar Bowl still has amazing ways of surprising me.

I just wanted to pop in, but I hope all my brothers here are doing well. I'll try to get back more into the swing of things around here.

- JGS.[/QUOTE]

I have now been on 3 dates with my new 19 year old HCB. She is 5' 4' and about 114 lbs, very sweet and quiet. (pictured)

I am her first and so far so good. I am really on the hunt these days but am really looking for someone that floats my boat every time. She is very cool but a bit inexperienced.

She lives close enough and is willing to take the bus over my way when she can. So far I have been mostly buying her stuff she needs but not to exceed the $ a date limit.

I saw my latina cholo looking girl. She is a pro and has treated me like a client so far. Probably won't see her anymore but I had to get her out of my system. She did have a nice slim body. But she didn't let me play with it too much and I was on the clock.

Occasionally I have to see a pro just to remind myself why I don"t.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1979646]I have now been on 3 dates with my new 19 year old HCB. She is 5' 4' and about 114 lbs, very sweet and quiet. (pictured)

I am her first and so far so good. I am really on the hunt these days but am really looking for someone that floats my boat every time. She is very cool but a bit inexperienced.

She lives close enough and is willing to take the bus over my way when she can. So far I have been mostly buying her stuff she needs but not to exceed the $ a date limit.

I saw my latina cholo looking girl. She is a pro and has treated me like a client so far. Probably won't see her anymore but I had to get her out of my system. She did have a nice slim body. But she didn't let me play with it too much and I was on the clock.

Occasionally I have to see a pro just to remind myself why I don"t.[/QUOTE]Very pretty girl HG. It would be fun to teach her.

So I have a girl I've met with four times now (1 x per week). She is only 60 cash at her apartment ...so really inexpensive. She is cute 23 yrs old and I'd rate her a 7/7/8/8. So far every meeting has been a one po affair. She was extremely nervous the first and second time we met. That is why I'm 99% sure she is not s pro or utr. She is inexperienced in bed but she really likes having me over because I bang her like no else ever has. She cums multiple times and says I'm the best she's ever had. I love hearing that. We have talked about doing a 2-3 hr romp session. That hasn't happened yet, largely because of my schedule.

So the disturbing part is... Last Friday I went to meet with her. She came to the door wrapped in a large towel. Let me in locked the door and scampered back to the bathroom. She apologized through the door and then came out about 5 minutes later fully clothed. She came to me and we kissed deeply and then started making out and groping. Talking a little naughty between kisses it was getting hot. I touched her breast and she winced a little and pulled back. With a tear in her eye she whispered I'm sorry but I was attacked. I said what? When? She said a few days ago and he bruised me pretty bad. She started showing me the brusies on her breasts and chest above it. And all over her back. These were not small bruises they were 4-5 inches in diameter and that purplish / black color. She said she arranged a meeting with a guy from SA. He came in her apartment and immediately attacked her and raped her. Fu*ked her until he popped his nut. Threatened her some more and left. Of course he left no cash either. She said when she got back online an hour later he had pulled his profile. She didn't call the cops because she was afraid they would arrest her for meeting someone for sex for money. This vicious A Hole beat the living hell out of her and verbally berated her the whole time. She said she didn't even get a good look at his face. I told her she should have called the cops that they wouldn't care why they were meeting the rape was the much bigger crime.

[QUOTE=PatsFan1;1980595]So I have a girl I've met with four times now (1 x per week). She is only 60 cash at her apartment ...so really inexpensive. She is cute 23 yrs old and I'd rate her a 7/7/8/8. So far every meeting has been a one po affair. She was extremely nervous the first and second time we met. That is why I'm 99% sure she is not s pro or utr. She is inexperienced in bed but she really likes having me over because I bang her like no else ever has. She cums multiple times and says I'm the best she's ever had. I love hearing that. We have talked about doing a 2-3 hr romp session. That hasn't happened yet, largely because of my schedule.

So the disturbing part is... Last Friday I went to meet with her. She came to the door wrapped in a large towel. Let me in locked the door and scampered back to the bathroom. She apologized through the door and then came out about 5 minutes later fully clothed. She came to me and we kissed deeply and then started making out and groping. Talking a little naughty between kisses it was getting hot. I touched her breast and she winced a little and pulled back. With a tear in her eye she whispered I'm sorry but I was attacked. I said what? When? She said a few days ago and he bruised me pretty bad. She started showing me the brusies on her breasts and chest above it. And all over her back. These were not small bruises they were 4-5 inches in diameter and that purplish / black color. She said she arranged a meeting with a guy from SA. He came in her apartment and immediately attacked her and raped her. Fu*ked her until he popped his nut. Threatened her some more and left. Of course he left no cash either. She said when she got back online an hour later he had pulled his profile. She didn't call the cops because she was afraid they would arrest her for meeting someone for sex for money. This vicious A Hole beat the living hell out of her and verbally berated her the whole time. She said she didn't even get a good look at his face. I told her she should have called the cops that they wouldn't care why they were meeting the rape was the much bigger crime.[/QUOTE]If she has the guys profile name she should turn him in, and take pictures now. You can't be involved, but you might be if it really moved forward as the police could subpoena every profile name of anyone she talked to online. Although some websites would give up that info to the police without a subpoena.

Just banged a 7/9/9/9 AA 23 year old spinner. And that 7 could easily be an 8.5 with a few beauty treatments. About 5' 2' and 105. She was great in bed and an awesome kisser. An admitted UTR girl and an x dancer. She has 2 other regulars that she met in her everyday life and says I am the first off the SD site.

I meet a lot of good looking girls, and that does carry me through some of the less than spectacular performances, but it was nice to just have some good old fashioned american fun with a chill cute girl that I just started txting yesterday. She is the kind of girl that just naturally keeps me hard with her tiny body and awesome skills. She is very happy with the $ a date agreement.

So far I only have this one not so good pic of her. My A team is solid. Now I am trying to build my B team. I love spontaneity, and I understand why guys cruise for SW's. In the sugar world this is about as spontaneous as it gets. Txt on Sunday, bang on Monday. But I have had a few same day experiences. And that was mostly UTR girls, but if you hit them up (meaning the non pros) on day one anything can happen. Remember they made this big decision to join the site. Sometimes they just want to dive right in. Sometimes.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;1250202]I have one HYB dancer that wants sugar for companionship with "nothing sexual". I asked what "nothing sexual" meant to her. She couldn't answer. So I thought I would try to see if she was serious.

First time, we went out for a few drinks ended up at a hotel with her doing a nude dance for me. When she started to grind on me, I responded by touching her which got her turned on. We ultimately ended up in a heated 69 when she all of a sudden realizes what she is doing and freaks out. She is upset we went too far and can't believe I got her that turned on. I'm frustrated I didn't finish and feel guilty that she thought we went too far. Strike one.

She contacts me a second time asking to get together. I assume, incorrectly, that she has decided she is okay with the sex part. We meet again for drinks and end up in a hotel. She does the nude dance, but won't let me touch her. We ended watching each other get off. She's good. I'm frustrated again. Strike two.

She contacts me a third time wanting to meet. I let her know I don't want to pay to walk away frustrated or guilty. I sugest she let me try to get both of us fully aroused with a full body massage and see how we both feel if we don't follow to completion. I promise not to go any further unless she attacks me. Which I'm not sure I could fight off. She sugests I get a room with a hot tub, stawberry's, wine, etc. We meet, eventually ended up in the hot tub. I'm massaging her being very carefully not to touch her nipples or vagina. She ends up sticking her nipples in my mouth while sitting on my lap in the tub. She starts grinding me and I'm working hard not to enter her. She grabs my cock and sticks it in her. We go at it for few minutes, when she realizes what she is doing and freaks out again. She's upset again. I'm frustrated and feel guilty. Strike three.

She called again wanting to meet. Still doesn't want sex. I declined.

She is definately hot and I know she is into it, but too young and confused.[/QUOTE]A couple of questions. Why and how much did you pay for these "non seexual" encounters, and keeping in mind you were in the tub, did she stick it in with no condom?

[QUOTE=FScott;1255309]Gentlemen,

Taking into account the opinions, counsel and collective wisdom of the SDs who responded, little Scottie and I decided to go ahead and meet with the HYB, but to proceed with a greater degree of caution. The general consensus that I was dealing with a pro was incorrect, I believe, but somewhat closer to the truth than my fantasy, which was of fantastic amateur pussy just falling into my lap, so to speak.

After several more emails back and forth, including an astounding to-do list of what was awaiting me when we met (the girl is a creative writing major in college) , I asked if she would get us a room and I would reimburse her in addition to the agreed-upon sugar. This she readily did, and told me she lived with her parents, which if true, I took to be a good sign. I also asked that we meet outside of a near-by Starbucks, so I could do to her what a previous SB did to me, which was a visual drive-by. Pictures are one thing, but they can be old, manipulated, and rarely tell the entire tale.

Having satisfied myself that she was, indeed, hot and a true spinner, I parked and walked up to meet her. Scottie and I were both in a high state of excitement, and I was thinking about that to-do list with a great deal of anticipation, hoping I would make it all the way to the end without spraining something.

The mood was pretty much shattered when I got close and she opened her mouth to say Hello. I have a real thing for good teeth, and hers were a wreck. Not 'meth teeth', mind you, but seriously askew, though they were white enough. Scottie immediately ducked his head and hid, but I was less fortunate, and had to talk to for a bit until I could make my escape.

As we talked, I noticed the perfect little boobs under her tank top, a very nice, tight ass beneath her skirt, and the fact that she could not have been more than 5 feet tall. Scottie began to stir, and we both reassessed the situation. When the words 'I'm sorry, I'm just not feeling it' came out of my mouth, we were both a little surprised, as was she. She then countered with, 'Well, can I just give you a blow job? ' which seemed reasonable seeing as I had driven almost an hour to get there.

We went to the room she had booked, and after we got naked, she proceeded to give me one of the best bjs I've had in a long time. All mouth and tongue, no cheating with her hands, and total CIMWS. Her body was ultra-fine as well, and I seriously thought of abandoning my principles and pounding that wet pussy for all I was worth, but I just couldn't get past the teeth! Those of you out there who share this particular phobia with me will understand; those who don't, a little slack, please. I can't help it, but there it is.

The reason I think that she was on her way to being a pro, but not quite there yet, is that she is clearly a major pot head, and was high at 9 in the morning when we met. My guess is that she is doing this to fund her habit, among other things, and has made peace with herself by blaming the weed. Just a guess, but accurate I think.

In other news, I am currently courting two other HYBs, one of which will be mine as soon as I can clear some time. The other is hooked, but is still circling the net, not yet ready to be landed. Monday I meet up with a third baby that had been ready to be bedded, but a family emergency took her out of town. God I love this hobby!

As promised, I will post next about my interesting new twist on the SD / SB thing that has yielded surprisingly good results, but I want to thank all who weighed in on this one. I would do her again in a heart beat if it weren't for those teeth! Ugh!

Keep up the good work, gentlemen,

Scott[/QUOTE]This is CRAZY to me LOL. I've never heard of a person with a "tooth phobia" allowing said offending person proceed to suck their dick. That's confusing as hell. I could see you forbidding that and all activities involving her teeth / mouth but no way should you have allowed the thing you hate the most about her so near to your most prized body part!

Long time lurker from Manchester foot spa days. I took a break from the game for a bit but I'm back in now and desire to create my own little hareem oof flavors. I plan to share this is go around. I love this section and find the knowledge here to be indispensable. Thank you.

I'm currently working on closing my first and she's on my hook. Just need to reel her in. I'll post more next week after our first sugar session.

[QUOTE=PatsFan1;1980595]I told her she should have called the cops that they wouldn't care why they were meeting the rape was the much bigger crime. [/QUOTE]That is 100% true. The police are her friends. There could be case reports of the same guy before. These become pieces in the puzzle that result in apprehension and conviction. This is particularly true in sex offenses. The method of operation is usually the same and acts like a fingerprint. She's not alone in this.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;1982030]That is 100% true. The police are her friends. There could be case reports of the same guy before. These become pieces in the puzzle that result in apprehension and conviction. This is particularly true in sex offenses. The method of operation is usually the same and acts like a fingerprint. She's not alone in this.[/QUOTE]Most girls I have met on these sites have had some kind of abuse history, whether it was incest, assault, or other. It is sad that they are often here looking for love, money of course, and a father figure. On line predation is common I would guess. Since there is so much shame involved with the victims only a fraction of offenses get reported. For a SD it is easy to gain access to a large number of willing females who are potential victims from a bump and run. I guess some guys get off on that. For those of you who have been in the escort world how often did you either experience or hear of grand theft / vagina? What is a John to do if a hooker takes the money and slides out the door? Nothing.

I have noticed a drop in the number of quality SBs on SA and SDFM. Perhaps it is just my area. Anyone else seeing this?

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1982149]I have noticed a drop in the number of quality SBs on SA and SDFM. Perhaps it is just my area. Anyone else seeing this?[/QUOTE]Must be your area. The quality and quantity is way up here. But its never an easy row to hoe. Stayed home last night and spent about 4 hours txting girls. And yeah, a lot got accomplished, but it took my whole night to do it

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;1359543]This thread had been a bible for me the past few months. A few observations, IMO.

I've been playing both the SA sites and as well as fishing on the local CL, and to my surprise lots of the girls that replied to my posts on CL also have profiles on either SA or SD4M, so it seems many of them are out there and are also looking at various venues, and this make me think they are somewhat semi pros and not really amateurs.

Pursuing this game had been very difficult for me, especially one with an SO and a few kids, but I managed to pulled in a few decent chics (19-40). The main problem with this is not budget, since the most I ever shelled out per meet to the babies is 1. 5, but typically 1. 0, I guess I am in a cheaper market than you fellows. The problem is TIME, or lack of it. Many of these girls don't work, and does not have their own transportation so this required a pick up, treck to notel, and drop off which is about 3-4 hours requirement and for someone like me, I just don't have that luxury of time. My only meeting time is during lunch, so that limited my window to play significantly. I would have pulled in a lot more babies if I had the time.

And when it come to sugars, the suggestions here are great. If you're not required to discussed it, don't. Just slipped something in the baby's purse on your way out, just make it a little appropriate (I assumed you know what that mean). And if you are required to put a number up front, make it a monthly allowance (for me that's usually 500-600) a month with promise of gifts, etc when I feel like it. This make it seems some-what easier for the baby to take, versus putting up a number by the hour which often comes off the wrong way.

Obviously, there are some babies that laughed at my monthly allowance and demanded 2k-5k a month, for those I say 'bye bye'. I have a budget, and I am sticking with it. Sure, if my budget were doubled, I should be able to attract more babies, but hey not every man have a nice disposable income in the back pocket (I envied some of you guys. Guess I need a second job.

Again, none of this info is new. Just a reharsh of what had been said many times by the greats in this forum. Again, the best part of this is chasing down (or seducing) a new baby.

Happy new year, and happy hunting fellows.

PS,

Scott, your ex employee is freaking HOT man.[/QUOTE]Wow, so you get a 3-4 hr. Lunch? I need that job. I love how you can stick to that budget and still score SB's. Keep it up.

I recently tried a new site that someone on here mentioned- SDToday. I was admittedly skeptical because it is entirely free to register as a full member. After registering, I quickly received a few responses but they were too far to warrant real attention on my part. Then I started sending messages and one response seems like a possible keeper. So, this afternoon I am going for a meet and greet at a chain restaurant and see if her pics are TGTBT, too much allowance or too much per visit or "the blind squirrel finding the acorn". I am experiencing a variety of emotions from excitement to apprehension. So, we'll see how this goes...

Sunday and Monday I have my 3rd rendezvous with my 20's single mom. This one makes me feel awful young again! Will report of my dreams and encounters and appreciate as always your critique and advice.

R2.

Well, we met as planned and her pics were 100% accurate. She was stunning and a great conversationalist! She had been hurt in prior relationships and was carrying a great deal of baggage. It became apparent to me that she was searching for much more than a SD. I felt she was looking for a steady BF or worse a new hubby! The fruit was definitely ripe for picking and the spoon was in the sugar but I felt the damage was going to be far beyond $. So, I paid the bill and accepted a hug and a kiss on the cheek and left. I don't know if I'm a monger with a conscience or just a cautious newbie in the bowl. Her looks 8-9, attitude 8 but baggage was priceless! So, I passed but there is always tomorrow...

R2.

[QUOTE=Reffin2;1984544]I recently tried a new site that someone on here mentioned- SDToday. I was admittedly skeptical because it is entirely free to register as a full member. After registering, I quickly received a few responses but they were too far to warrant real attention on my part. Then I started sending messages and one response seems like a possible keeper. So, this afternoon I am going for a meet and greet at a chain restaurant and see if her pics are TGTBT, too much allowance or too much per visit or "the blind squirrel finding the acorn". I am experiencing a variety of emotions from excitement to apprehension. So, we'll see how this goes...

Sunday and Monday I have my 3rd rendezvous with my 20's single mom. This one makes me feel awful young again! Will report of my dreams and encounters and appreciate as always your critique and advice.

R2.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Reffin2;1985147]Well, we met as planned and her pics were 100% accurate. She was stunning and a great conversationalist! She had been hurt in prior relationships and was carrying a great deal of baggage. It became apparent to me that she was searching for much more than a SD. I felt she was looking for a steady BF or worse a new hubby! The fruit was definitely ripe for picking and the spoon was in the sugar but I felt the damage was going to be far beyond $. So, I paid the bill and accepted a hug and a kiss on the cheek and left. I don't know if I'm a monger with a conscience or just a cautious newbie in the bowl. Her looks 8-9, attitude 8 but baggage was priceless! So, I passed but there is always tomorrow...

R2.[/QUOTE]Girls that need emotional support, mentoring and / or great sex are usually more than happy to take the $ a date offer. It's called a value added proposition. That's all I really look for in a steady girl. Money alone will never get them to be on my "team". To me, a money alone girl is a pro. Not interested. There is no limit to the number of guys she would date at a time. But it would be rare for a true non pro to want to be emotionally connected to more than one guy at a time.

I can't have ongoing awesome sex if there is no emotional connection. The stronger the better.

With a pro, the sex might be amazing the first time but there will be a diminishing rate of return over a very short amount of time because their heart is not in it. The reverse will be true of a non pro.

A mixed Colombian, black and white 20 year old 5' 3' 130 lb very pretty girl I had never met txts me and says she is in my area and can she stop by at 7 pm.

She comes in and I was happily surprised to see a curvy but tight smiling girl go straight to the FC. We fooled around on the bed for about a half hour, kissing and fondling. My dick was out and her firm young B sized breasts felt amazing.

She is coming back Sunday for a 5 hour date. Total damage was one Jackson.

At 8.30 the same night I did a second date with a 22 year old 5' 2 100 lb mixed girl. She is an x high school cheer leading captain trying to make it in hollywood. She looks about 16. We talked in the car for an hour. Hope to see her tonite for a real date. Total damage was the cost of a smoothie.

At 10.30 pm I picked up my new 19 year old art student and took her home for our usual good time. This was our fourth date this month. She keeps getting better and better and she is exclusive to me for now. Took her home at 2.30 am. Total damage was the usual $.

[QUOTE=Reffin2;1985147]Well, we met as planned and her pics were 100% accurate. She was stunning and a great conversationalist! She had been hurt in prior relationships and was carrying a great deal of baggage. It became apparent to me that she was searching for much more than a SD. I felt she was looking for a steady BF or worse a new hubby! The fruit was definitely ripe for picking and the spoon was in the sugar but I felt the damage was going to be far beyond $. So, I paid the bill and accepted a hug and a kiss on the cheek and left. I don't know if I'm a monger with a conscience or just a cautious newbie in the bowl. Her looks 8-9, attitude 8 but baggage was priceless! So, I passed but there is always tomorrow...

R2.[/QUOTE]Reffin, you did the right thing. One of the rules around here is do no harm. When the girl is not on the same page we do harm. Sometimes the harm is to her, sometimes to us.

[QUOTE=Reffin2;1985147]Well, we met as planned and her pics were 100% accurate. She was stunning and a great conversationalist! She had been hurt in prior relationships and was carrying a great deal of baggage. It became apparent to me that she was searching for much more than a SD. I felt she was looking for a steady BF or worse a new hubby! The fruit was definitely ripe for picking and the spoon was in the sugar but I felt the damage was going to be far beyond $. So, I paid the bill and accepted a hug and a kiss on the cheek and left. I don't know if I'm a monger with a conscience or just a cautious newbie in the bowl. Her looks 8-9, attitude 8 but baggage was priceless! So, I passed but there is always tomorrow...

R2.[/QUOTE]Ruffin... I guess I'm more inclined to agree with HG. A SD / SB relationship is always going to have a much higher level of emotional connection than an escort. A lot of these girls in the sites ae looking for a steady emotional strength from a male counterpart, that frankly, they've never experienced before. Your financial well being, experience, mentorship, stability, confidence, and good sexual skill all play a part in her experience and happiness. You could provide a lot of these things for her. When I have been in this situation I have always just done my best to communicate what I can provide so as to not lead her on. This goes to GC's "do no harm". Email her and tell her that you thought she was very pretty and that you really liked her. That you would really like to see her again and spend time together. However, you are not sure you can give her what she is looking for... In my case I then tell them I'm married and have young kids. I am happy with that part of my life and I'm not going to change it. I'm looking for a long term relationship...like BF / GF but without the drama and pressure. What is important to me is that we have adult fun behind closed doors. I can provide steady long term financial help to her that she can count on. If those are things she is ok with then let's get together again. Good luck she sounds like a fun girl. If it adavances throw a pic of her on here. I don't know why we don't have more pics of more SB on here.

I'm heading to Atlanta this week for a few.

Days on business. I'm on the SA site and it looks like there is a LOT of potential there. But I don't have a lot of time to develop contacts and screen pots. If any of you forum members have some profiles to recommend, I would really appreciate a PM with some suggestions.

I'd be glad to return the favor if you are ever in the Northern VA area.

Thanks.

Alias.

[QUOTE=AliasSM;1985962]I'm heading to Atlanta this week for a few.

Days on business. I'm on the SA site and it looks like there is a LOT of potential there. But I don't have a lot of time to develop contacts and screen pots. If any of you forum members have some profiles to recommend, I would really appreciate a PM with some suggestions.

I'd be glad to return the favor if you are ever in the Northern VA area.

Thanks.

Alias.[/QUOTE]I sent you a pm. Feel free to reply and we can talk about the elusive Atl babies LOL.

Promiscuity is My Continuity.

[QUOTE=DumpMyGoo;1985915]If it advances throw a pic of her on here. I don't know why we don't have more pics of more SB on here.[/QUOTE]Escorts looking for business post pics to attract business knowing they can be found by suspicious friends and family using Google and Tin Eye. The SB thing is an entirely different ballgame. Posting a SB's pic would be a severe invasion of privacy leading to serious problems for her down the road. We do no harm.

Just spent about 3 hours, going about 25 pages deep in this thread. Truly some legends in here and appreciate the stories of success as well as learning experiences. I am going to have to spend sometime digging deeper into the sites I have seen mentioned in here. The main issue I run into is lack of available targets. I live in a very small town < 8 k people and it seems a BMI over 30 for most. I have done well on free sites like pof and most recently scored one excellent find on whatsyourprice. She was 23, serious need of some phone bill help. Agreed on $ for a meet which ended in FC for a rather enjoyable oral session. I just opened conversations with a 20 yo that lives about 4 hours away. Will see how that one plays out.

Thanks for the read today guys and I hope to be able to contribute at least 1/10 of guys like HG and revvo.

What does GPS Stand for?

[QUOTE=Golfcart;1986815]Escorts looking for business post pics to attract business knowing they can be found by suspicious friends and family using Google and Tin Eye. The SB thing is an entirely different ballgame. Posting a SB's pic would be a severe invasion of privacy leading to serious problems for her down the road. We do no harm.[/QUOTE]There are ways of posting pics without causing harm. Just blot out part of their face or put up pics that don't show the face at all. I agree that more pics would be nice to see. I have posted some they ae much less an invasion of privacy than the pics these gals post with their ads on the sd sites. Just my 2 cents...

Golden Pussy Syndrome...get it.

[QUOTE=nerd29;1987092]Just spent about 3 hours, going about 25 pages deep in this thread. Truly some legends in here and appreciate the stories of success as well as learning experiences. I am going to have to spend sometime digging deeper into the sites I have seen mentioned in here. The main issue I run into is lack of available targets. I live in a very small town < 8 k people and it seems a BMI over 30 for most. I have done well on free sites like pof and most recently scored one excellent find on whatsyourprice. She was 23, serious need of some phone bill help. Agreed on $ for a meet which ended in FC for a rather enjoyable oral session. I just opened conversations with a 20 yo that lives about 4 hours away. Will see how that one plays out.

Thanks for the read today guys and I hope to be able to contribute at least 1/10 of guys like HG and revvo.

What does GPS Stand for?[/QUOTE]

I thought it was an app that teen girls used to find dick.

First I must say welcome Nerd. And my best advice is to read the entire thread. And then write up your reports. A lot. If you think you are protecting yourself by not reporting. Keeping all the good secret. The opposite is true. You are depriving yourself of the learning experience of learning by writing your adventures down. It is by far the single most important tool in learning I have. Also I must say the underpopulated areas can be some of the best. You don't have the competition of the goofballs out there offering these POTs huge amounts of money for pussy of no real value. In the rural areas the picking might be slim. But hey you only need one or two good ones.

So there has been some interesting goings on since I have last reported. For one. I went through quite a bit of downtime during the holiday break. One because I was with Family most of the time. But also was not getting a lot of bites from my POTs. It was a bit disconcerting. But I realized after some time that maybe I was hangning on a little too tight and needed to step back. This was great advice from a friend. I came back and had some real strong success.

PeurtoRican Tat baby. She is still around. Not a good communicator but really hot looking. And she is there and we are using her place so that helps a lot. But she is only 19 YO and she is hot 10/9/7/5. She is a terrible kisser and even worse in the skills department. I am being patient. But I don't know how long. She promises me she is giving me 250% full devotion. Her words. But so far I have not seen it. Remember do not look at what they say look at what they do. And so far actions have been weak. She is really cool very sweet. Seems honest. But I gots to get me some good luvin. But I am working on three no cost babies below. That are making me forget this one real quick.

Italian Legal Aid: She is by far the one that treats me the best. She has been off the charts sweet to me. And really really attracted to me. She is 40 YO Latina, very smart very sexy looking give her a 8/7/10/? . So far we have not made it to the FC but she is all about going but has been very honest and direct with me about it. That she needs time and then she will be good to go. She promises she will rock my world. She is cool. She is a great communicator, she has big sexy natural titties. Long dark wild hair, a very sexxy accent. And she is not into the money at all. But we do have to use a hotel. I already checked. But I am very optimistic. If you see my earlier reports on her you know she was a long term project anyway. Just longer term than I figured. We are set to meet for Thursday night. It may be the moment of truth.

Eastern European MILF Baby: This one contacted me last week and she seemed a little negative. But in no time I got her warmed up and good to go. She had just been through a few disappointments. We still have not met. But that is because she is a newly divorced MILF and is still getting her feet under her. We talk and text every day. She is a professional with her own place and car and a young son. But her ex is in the picture and can watch the kid on a regular basis. This is good for us. And it looks like she will be able to host at her place. She is a 40 YO MILF dark hair dark eyes very very sexy look so far I give her a 8/8/8/? . She looks like in some of the photos she has some nice titties. She is really warming up to me. And she is set to meet me this Wednesday for Happy Hour. Things should go good. Great communicator and she is just looking for a man of substance, to have fun and adventure and travel with. She is not really all about the money. Just someone who is not cheap when they go out. This is easy man. That is exactly what I am looking for. Another one with a sexy voice that eastern European accent is fine.

Sexy Pinup MILF: This one contacted me just last Wednesday and we have been chatting since then. She warmed up real quick. And she is very very sexy. She is not your typical model. She has lots of tats, she is 40 ish, and is very much a buxom betty boop type of pinup model. But man is she sexy. She lives in a artsy part of town. She is an artsy type. And we set up today to meet. Met her this afternoon at a coffee shop. Then took a walk around a beautiful lake. Had some great eye contact then some good conversation. And within 45 minutes of our first face to face we were totally making out on a park bench in some of the most perfect weather. It was all I could do not to jump her right there. She even said she wishes we had a place to go. But I did not have time to rent a hotel. And her roommate was home. So we are planning for Wednesday for a full fledged FC session. Damn it is hard to describe the curves on this woman but she is not skinny, and how sexy she is. She exudes sexuality and sensuality out every pore and she is very cool. No games no bullshit. This is a quality woman. I give her a 9/8/10/? . Her kissing skills were awesome. Her skin is perfect and so soft. Oh and she is moving into her own place in mid Feb. And is all about meeting there. Which is really cool. I did not even need to mention using her place. She just wants someone to pamper her and take care of her a little. Not looking for tons of money. She has her own money. Not a lot of money she drives a scooter and works for a living. And she can get away in the daytime. Which is a big plus.

None of these three 40 ish MILFs is perfect 10 type hotties. None of them are skinny. But on the other hand. Conversations personalities, humor, level headedness with no Drama is fucking awesome. These women are of such high quality. And none of them would cost me as much as the one 19 YO Tat baby above.

I am feeling much less pressure and I feel so much more comfortable with these quality women. The 19 YO has really got to step it up for me to keep her. I could take what I am spending on her and spread it out on the three others and not spend a penny more. There are some other POTs and some stories of fat chicks and liars. But we will just have to save that for another time.

Be careful out there.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1987456]

None of these three 40 ish MILFs is perfect 10 type hotties. None of them are skinny. But on the other hand. Conversations personalities, humor, level headedness with no Drama is fucking awesome. These women are of such high quality.
Revvo.[/QUOTE]Although I'm new to the sugar game, one thing I've noticed is that personality is way more important than looks. With an escort, they leave after the sex, so if they are completely dull it's not a big deal. But with a sugar baby, you're going on dates and spending time with them and if the chemistry isn't there you'll regret it. One in particular was very hot, but also very young. We did not click, but I wanted to bang her so bad. After the deed was done I just wanted her out of there, and from that point on I made the decision to let things develop more slowly so that I can be sure I'm attracted to more than just their looks. It definitely adds to the excitement when I know I'm getting to have sex with a woman that I can connect with on at least a somewhat deep level.

[QUOTE=PatsFan1;1987198]There are ways of posting pics without causing harm. Just blot out part of their face or put up pics that don't show the face at all. I agree that more pics would be nice to see. I have posted some they ae much less an invasion of privacy than the pics these gals post with their ads on the sd sites. Just my 2 cents...[/QUOTE]This sounds reasonable until one considers the guy has no right to make a decision that a particular crop is sufficient to mask her identity. To the right friend or family member her dress, what she may be holding in her hand in the context of the background could be an identifier. She is a woman of free will. Even where she has posted the same pic on a SB site she has not consented to have that pic appear on this site. This may be the kind of thing we can't see until it happens to us.

[QUOTE=DogSun;1987524]Although I'm new to the sugar game, one thing I've noticed is that personality is way more important than looks. With an escort, they leave after the sex, so if they are completely dull it's not a big deal. But with a sugar baby, you're going on dates and spending time with them and if the chemistry isn't there you'll regret it. One in particular was very hot, but also very young. We did not click, but I wanted to bang her so bad. After the deed was done I just wanted her out of there, and from that point on I made the decision to let things develop more slowly so that I can be sure I'm attracted to more than just their looks. It definitely adds to the excitement when I know I'm getting to have sex with a woman that I can connect with on at least a somewhat deep level.[/QUOTE]For me its the opposite. I never want to get close to or be friends with some one that isn't a teen hottie or something close to it (and of course there are exceptions). Sorry for being superficial, but for me, looks (especially their body), skills and sexual chemistry are way more important than personality. I have tried it both ways. If I don't start out wanting to bang the fuck out of them, I never will, no matter how much I like them. If they connect with my dick (and not just dick, but MY dick) . Then we are going to be fine. And any issues we have can be worked out. I am not looking to get married here.

Obviously the ideal situation is to have it all. But I don't like waiting and don't have a hundred years left. I say plow through as many babes as possible (no pun intended). A bad date is no big deal. A little awkwardness? So what. One of my old mentors used to say "if you have enough quantity you will find some quality in there". All the girls on my A team were unknown quantities before I met them. And actually there was some lack of personal connection in one way or another with each one. But one thing they all had in common was, that I was positively physically attracted to them from the get go. Over time we got close, and it was their looks, skills (or potential skills then realized) and passion that kept us together long enough to be able to make that happen.

Recently I fucked a pro. She banged, sucked and kissed me like I was her long lost boyfriend. Date # 2. I was a trick. But at least I had one memorable night. Will I see her again. No. But if she could have kept it up, then yes I would see her again (pretend is cool). I want bomb ass sex with 8+ girls as often as possible. Long term or short term. Was it a waste of time? No. Next, next, next.

Here is the pro I had a little crush on. Not anymore. But at least I got her off my to do list. 8/8/8/3.

[QUOTE=Graham111;1987415]Golden Pussy Syndrome...get it.[/QUOTE]Makes sense now!

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1987666]For me its the opposite. I never want to get close to or be friends with some one that isn't a teen hottie or something close to it (and of course there are exceptions). Sorry for being superficial, but for me, looks (especially their body), skills and sexual chemistry are way more important than personality. I have tried it both ways. If I don't start out wanting to bang the fuck out of them, I never will, no matter how much I like them. If they connect with my dick (and not just dick, but MY dick) . Then we are going to be fine. And any issues we have can be worked out. I am not looking to get married here.

Obviously the ideal situation is to have it all. But I don't like waiting and don't have a hundred years left. I say plow through as many babes as possible (no pun intended). A bad date is no big deal. A little awkwardness? So what. One of my old mentors used to say "if you have enough quantity you will find some quality in there". All the girls on my A team were unknown quantities before I met them. And actually there was some lack of personal connection in one way or another with each one. But one thing they all had in common was, that I was positively physically attracted to them from the get go. Over time we got close, and it was their looks, skills (or potential skills then realized) and passion that kept us together long enough to be able to make that happen.

Recently I fucked a pro. She banged, sucked and kissed me like I was her long lost boyfriend. Date # 2. I was a trick. But at least I had one memorable night. Will I see her again. No. But if she could have kept it up, then yes I would see her again (pretend is cool). I want bomb ass sex with 8+ girls as often as possible. Long term or short term. Was it a waste of time? No. Next, next, next.[/QUOTE]Well of course this falls under the area of to each his own. But I can tell you I have been with very very beautiful bonifide hot women. And I have been with good looking women that were fun and sexy and interesting to be with and there was no comparison for me. I would prefer as any man does to have a beautiful woman that has it all. But that is indeed rare. Most really beautiful / hot women. Especially if they are American women, are already damaged goods. They are way way overvalued. They have terrible attitudes and give little value. They know they are overvalued and they act that way. They treat everyone around them like this including themselves. Which in turn makes them very needy and at the same time able to get away with anything. A very difficult brew.

There is a funny scene in a so so movie called "Don Jon" where a truly hot woman Scarlett Johanssen, who is playing a hot woman is about to go down on the lead character. And he is dreaming of getting a really great blow job. But then he stops the scene and says to the camera "who am I kidding? Hot women don't need to give great blowjobs." This is the epitome of the hot woman. And the move goes into her very very flawed character quite accurately. So what does this all have to do with our little thread?

Well an expert in sex and sexuality once said the sexiest thing in the world for men is also the same for women. It is to be desired. Look back into your own memories my brothers and tell me. The best blowjob of your life. Was it from a beautiful woman that had good blowjob skills? Or was it from the woman who worshiped your cock like it was the most important thing in the world. That she cherished it with ever lick and suck. Looking at your good with hungry eyes looking at you hoping you were enjoying it as much as she was? Swallowing your cum like it was life water. Now that is some good sex. And at that distance it is hard to even see what she looks like anymore. Now I love beautiful women. I am just saying. Some of the beautiful women I have been with. Especially the young ones. I have a hard time getting and staying hard with them. They are so bad at kissing and so terrible and lifeless at fucking.

So much more to fucking for me. Just my 2 cents.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1988254]Well of course this falls under the area of to each his own. But I can tell you I have been with very very beautiful bonifide hot women. And I have been with good looking women that were fun and sexy and interesting to be with and there was no comparison for me. I would prefer as any man does to have a beautiful woman that has it all. But that is indeed rare. Most really beautiful / hot women. Especially if they are American women, are already damaged goods. They are way way overvalued. They have terrible attitudes and give little value. They know they are overvalued and they act that way. They treat everyone around them like this including themselves. Which in turn makes them very needy and at the same time able to get away with anything. A very difficult brew.

There is a funny scene in a so so movie called "Don Jon" where a truly hot woman Scarlett Johanssen, who is playing a hot woman is about to go down on the lead character. And he is dreaming of getting a really great blow job. But then he stops the scene and says to the camera "who am I kidding? Hot women don't need to give great blowjobs." This is the epitome of the hot woman. And the move goes into her very very flawed character quite accurately. So what does this all have to do with our little thread?

Well an expert in sex and sexuality once said the sexiest thing in the world for men is also the same for women. It is to be desired. Look back into your own memories my brothers and tell me. The best blowjob of your life. Was it from a beautiful woman that had good blowjob skills? Or was it from the woman who worshiped your cock like it was the most important thing in the world. That she cherished it with ever lick and suck. Looking at your good with hungry eyes looking at you hoping you were enjoying it as much as she was? Swallowing your cum like it was life water. Now that is some good sex. And at that distance it is hard to even see what she looks like anymore. Now I love beautiful women. I am just saying. Some of the beautiful women I have been with. Especially the young ones. I have a hard time getting and staying hard with them. They are so bad at kissing and so terrible and lifeless at fucking.

So much more to fucking for me. Just my 2 cents.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]This is why I don't date white girls. None of this is true with black or mixed girls, in my experience. They may refuse my $, but only because they want $ $. And 90% of all the best kissing and BJ's I ever had in my life were from hot looking black, mixed or asian girls. No luck with pure latina girls either... But not from lack of trying. LOL.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1988306]This is why I don't date white girls. None of this is true with black or mixed girls, in my experience. They may refuse my $, but only because they want $ $. And 90% of all the best kissing and BJ's I ever had in my life were from hot looking black, mixed or asian girls. No luck with pure latina girls either... But not from lack of trying. LOL.[/QUOTE]I agree on the BJ thing. The best blowjob I've ever gotten from a white girl couldn't compare to the worst blowjob I've gotten from a black or mixed chick. Haven't experienced an Asian girl yet unfortunately.

Is skin deep my bros.

I agree that attitude is the most important. My ATF #1 I was madly in love / lust with is actually a little homely when I look back at pics of her many girls later. But She took care of business so very well that I would take her back in a New York minute if she wanted.

The one deal breaker for me is Heavy. I just can not do it. I have had some energetic and adoring SBs over the years who had great skills and attitude, but even chubby turns me off, much less obese.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1988810]Is skin deep my bros.

I agree that attitude is the most important. My ATF #1 I was madly in love / lust with is actually a little homely when I look back at pics of her many girls later. But She took care of business so very well that I would take her back in a New York minute if she wanted.

The one deal breaker for me is Heavy. I just can not do it. I have had some energetic and adoring SBs over the years who had great skills and attitude, but even chubby turns me off, much less obese.[/QUOTE]I hear ya my brother. I could get fat women all day. I am looking for good looking fun, sexy women, that know how to fuck and suck. Chubby is a no go. I have left a few stories out. But I have a no dollar semi attractive one right now I could fuck anytime I want and she has her own place. And is really cool and normal. No crazieness.

But I cannot do it. Just too chubby. Not fat but she has a fat woman inside of her waiting to get out.

Revvo.

I stumbled onto this section of the board back in October and became a convert. I got lucky right off the bat on AF with another newby and had a regular SB all through the fall, a single mom / student living with family. Didn't want cash, wanted me to buy things for the kid, or pay her insurance. She was a screamer and the only problem was when we could not go to her place, finding a motel where I wasn't worried about security showing up in the middle of it. Very interesting. But she graduated, got a good job and I faded away. So in December I tried a Craigslist ad and bingo found this one, a single mom living with family. I have to get a room for her but as you can see, it is worth it. I know there has been some debate about photos, but I am betting her momma can't recognize her from this view, which is what she sends me when she wants to meet. I also have 2 more that should go to FC this week.

Again, thank you.