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[QUOTE=HottieMaybe;7338775]On the shutdowns. If instead of arresting girls or customers, they are using permit violations and the like to shut places down, and if the places where they are prioritizing enforcement are the ones with clear trafficking issues who are doing things like zip-tying girls wrists together...

...I'm not personally losing any sleep over it.

I think the best way to combat trafficking is to make sex work legal. But until that happens, I still don't want to have to wonder if the girl is there because she's afraid for her life.

Clear out the trafficking gangs, leave the shops owned by independents who have been here for years alone, and you'll get no outrage from me.[/QUOTE]NH won't even.

Legalize pot so don't get your hopes up for legalized sex work. Forced prayer will be here before that ever happens.

[QUOTE=HottieMaybe;7338775]On the shutdowns. If instead of arresting girls or customers, they are using permit violations and the like to shut places down, and if the places where they are prioritizing enforcement are the ones with clear trafficking issues who are doing things like zip-tying girls wrists together...

...I'm not personally losing any sleep over it.

I think the best way to combat trafficking is to make sex work legal. But until that happens, I still don't want to have to wonder if the girl is there because she's afraid for her life.

Clear out the trafficking gangs, leave the shops owned by independents who have been here for years alone, and you'll get no outrage from me.[/QUOTE]I think most people who frequent AMPs know the truth and this comes from over eager DAs who want to boost there political viability.

Most providers are 40+ and are better off than the average NH resident.

Even all the younger escorts I have talked to in other states were there by choice and wanted to make money.

Now maybe they didn't have a lot of opportunities to make that kind of money back home.

But that is in no way forced on them.

It would never be legalized but I would support that. Let guys who lack that outlet have some enjoyment.

[QUOTE=DaveTracman;7337433]Places were shut down.

[URL]https://www.wmur.com/article/new-hampshire-massage-businesses-closed-710/65365044[/URL]

Be careful out there.[/QUOTE]I didn't see who was shut down. More importantly, who is still open?

[QUOTE=OhMyaChingBack;7339287]I didn't see who was shut down. More importantly, who is still open?[/QUOTE]Its so strange to me, I have not been to any places that the woman seem pressured or forced to do anything they do not want to and especially none of them seem beaten. You would assume the woman would be much younger and prettier also if this was the case. I mean why bring in older out of shape woman if you are trafficking them and forcing them to make money for you.

It would seem to me that people just don't want the "extras" going on around their neighborhoods and are using certain terms to make sure they are closed down quickly.

[QUOTE=JonSnow35;7339475]Its so strange to me, I have not been to any places that the woman seem pressured or forced to do anything they do not want to and especially none of them seem beaten. You would assume the woman would be much younger and prettier also if this was the case. I mean why bring in older out of shape woman if you are trafficking them and forcing them to make money for you.

It would seem to me that people just don't want the "extras" going on around their neighborhoods and are using certain terms to make sure they are closed down quickly.[/QUOTE]"Trafficking" is code for "people getting happy endings by Chinese women".

The cops know there is no trafficking, the feds know there is no trafficking, the activist-feminist-rescuers know the women arent trafficked. THEY don't CARE. They are prudes, they don't like an avenue for on demand gratification to exist, and they throw the traficking words around to not look like plain ole prudes, especially in the age of OnlyFans and Sugar Baby'ing.

Women don't like men having easy access to other women. Thats the fact. Law enforcement aligned with conservative politicians are always up to pick on easy targets. Drug dealers shoot back, Chinese massage ladies don't.

Its a shame that basic handjobs are not decriminalized, becuase what these raids really do is put old ladies out of work, and smear their name in the press.

Its the same old ladies, they make a lot more doing hand jobs than painting nails. There should be a law that if you want to say "trafficking" in the news you have to have evidence, not just "concerns".

WMUR and the Police should be able to jusr casually allege such a horrible act without true, verified probably cause. Busting grannies with the word Trafficking just really means "prude".

Please tell us more about "probably cause. " Is that when you say, "I have cause to believe this, probably?

I think there are a lot more places around with no trafficking than with trafficking. And I think there have been silly accusations of trafficking where none exists (Bob Kraft's situation being an obvious example.).

But saying that there is NO trafficking is just silly. Some middle-aged woman who has been here for decades and owns a house? Yeah, not trafficked. Those places in Flushing that guys here rave about, because they have girls in their 20's and frequent turnover in their rotation? Come on.

[QUOTE=HottieMaybe;7341402]Please tell us more about "probably cause. " Is that when you say, "I have cause to believe this, probably?

I think there are a lot more places around with no trafficking than with trafficking. And I think there have been silly accusations of trafficking where none exists (Bob Kraft's situation being an obvious example.).

But saying that there is NO trafficking is just silly. Some middle-aged woman who has been here for decades and owns a house? Yeah, not trafficked. Those places in Flushing that guys here rave about, because they have girls in their 20's and frequent turnover in their rotation? Come on.[/QUOTE]I have used shops that move girls from Flushing and have talked with the girls and never found any evidence of trafficking at least not in the sense that people picture it. These girls are not tied up waiting to service men. It is the probably the best way to make quick money which seems to be there motivation when I talk with them. They may not have a lot of opportunities to make that sort of money but that isn't trafficking. I would imagine the groups that get these girls are not above board but the girls are not slaves. It just so happens there are a lot of poor Asian girls that want a better future and see this as the easiest way to do it. Also sex in there home countries is not so stigmatized and is fairly out in the open in many Asian countries.

Seems to be a way for local politicians to make a name for themselves IMO.

[QUOTE=HottieMaybe;7338775]On the shutdowns. If instead of arresting girls or customers, they are using permit violations and the like to shut places down, and if the places where they are prioritizing enforcement are the ones with clear trafficking issues who are doing things like zip-tying girls wrists together...

...I'm not personally losing any sleep over it.

I think the best way to combat trafficking is to make sex work legal. But until that happens, I still don't want to have to wonder if the girl is there because she's afraid for her life.

Clear out the trafficking gangs, leave the shops owned by independents who have been here for years alone, and you'll get no outrage from me.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=HottieMaybe;7341402]Please tell us more about "probably cause. " Is that when you say, "I have cause to believe this, probably?

I think there are a lot more places around with no trafficking than with trafficking. And I think there have been silly accusations of trafficking where none exists (Bob Kraft's situation being an obvious example.).

But saying that there is NO trafficking is just silly. Some middle-aged woman who has been here for decades and owns a house? Yeah, not trafficked. Those places in Flushing that guys here rave about, because they have girls in their 20's and frequent turnover in their rotation? Come on.[/QUOTE]We aren't talking about Flushing. Most of us have probably never visited a shop there.

We are talking about here. And you seem to have implied in your first post that the state is going after the trafficking shops here.

Based on your assumption of 20 somethings working being the ones trafficked, where has anyone found a shop with 20 something year olds working around here?

I read a book by Alison Bass about ten years ago and I've posted about it on here before. It's called "Getting Screwed: Sex Workers and The Law" She interviewed sex workers of all types (straight, gay, bi, trans etc) across the country from those that work the street to high end workers. I recommend the book but here's a few links for those who have time to read / watch them. I've also included a short excerpt from the first link. (I added the emphasis in the excerpt).

[URL]https://www.wbur.org/news/2015/11/18/getting-screwed-alison-bass[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ksxckEFZsM[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5fm2Rzkgb4[/URL]

[I]Bass said in a phone interview, "The stories that Jillian (a Northampton, Mass. Sex worker featured in the book) and other women had told me really clashed with the popular narrative of all prostitutes being drug-addicted, victimized women who were forced into the sex trade. " Prior to investigating and writing "Getting Screwed," Bass too, says she believed the common misconception. In fact, she admitted before writing the book, she hadn't thought about sex work at all. (Before reading it, I hadn't, either. Chances are you haven't.).

Between Bass's conversations with the women and her independent research, she soon found that "laws criminalizing prostitution actually encourage violence against all women and make it more difficult for sex workers to protect themselves both from physical harm and also from sexually transmitted diseases, like HIV. ".

"Getting Screwed" provides numerous examples, including how laws establishing used condoms as evidence prevents workers, mostly streetwalkers, from negotiating safe sex. Furthermore, sex workers fear reporting violent clients and predators to the police could consequently result in their own incarcerations.

The criminalization debate, according to Bass, relates to America's common perception of who becomes a sex worker. [b]"There's a real misconception that most sex workers are forced into the trade, and they're not doing it by choice," Bass stated, "and that's spread by anti-trafficking groups. They conflate prostitution with trafficking. As a result, the statistics on trafficking have been grossly, grossly inflated and are inaccurate. "[/b] In particular, Bass pointed to a July 2006 United States Government Accountability Office report that challenged the accuracy of global human trafficking estimates and further stated that the United States needs to more effectively enhance how it tracks this data.[/I]

[QUOTE=HottieMaybe;7341402]Please tell us more about "probably cause. " Is that when you say, "I have cause to believe this, probably?

I think there are a lot more places around with no trafficking than with trafficking. And I think there have been silly accusations of trafficking where none exists (Bob Kraft's situation being an obvious example.).

But saying that there is NO trafficking is just silly. Some middle-aged woman who has been here for decades and owns a house? Yeah, not trafficked. Those places in Flushing that guys here rave about, because they have girls in their 20's and frequent turnover in their rotation? Come on.[/QUOTE]

The shops that got closed in Derry were staffed by the -same- 5 or 6 old ladies who've been in town for as long as I can recall. Also, what a lot of people forget, is that Happy Endings are not illegal in many parts of the world. The US is particularly prude, and shy about admitting that prudeness, so there is always an excuse... I'm not a legal scholar, but I got a handy at a Holiday Inn last night. :-)

[QUOTE=Spectator;7341827]I'm not a legal scholar, but I got a handy at a Holiday Inn last night. :-)[/QUOTE]Hahaha that's brilliant!

[QUOTE=HottieMaybe;7341402]Please tell us more about "probably cause. " Is that when you say, "I have cause to believe this, probably?

I think there are a lot more places around with no trafficking than with trafficking. And I think there have been silly accusations of trafficking where none exists (Bob Kraft's situation being an obvious example.).

But saying that there is NO trafficking is just silly. Some middle-aged woman who has been here for decades and owns a house? Yeah, not trafficked. Those places in Flushing that guys here rave about, because they have girls in their 20's and frequent turnover in their rotation? Come on.[/QUOTE]I have business in Flushing once a month. I have been there 100's of times and met many young ladies. I am friends with a few of them and even had one living with me for a while. None of them were traffic and didn't know any that were. They are more like private contractors that work where and when they want to work. When their visa expires, they head back to China.

[QUOTE=Spectator;7341827]The shops that got closed in Derry were staffed by the -same- 5 or 6 old ladies who've been in town for as long as I can recall. Also, what a lot of people forget, is that Happy Endings are not illegal in many parts of the world. The US is particularly prude, and shy about admitting that prudeness, so there is always an excuse... I'm not a legal scholar, but I got a handy at a Holiday Inn last night. :-)[/QUOTE]The zip-tying revelation came from an actual criminal conviction in federal court, but sure we can pretend that no such thing ever happens.

[QUOTE=HottieMaybe;7342308]The zip-tying revelation came from an actual criminal conviction in federal court, but sure we can pretend that no such thing ever happens.[/QUOTE]I am pretty confident in saying that doesn't happen in any NH as the providers are 40+ making 6 figures and driving expensive cars.

And hell parents have been known to zip tie their kids, not saying that is right in any universe but does that mean we should make parenting illegal. No we prosecute the offenders.

Making this legal and bringing it out into the light would actually help stop anything like this IMO.

It is misguided and wasted effort to try and control what two consenting adults want to do with there bodies and money.

So much for the live free and die state.

[QUOTE=NhMonger69;7342411]

And hell parents have been known to zip tie their kids, not saying that is right in any universe but does that mean we should make parenting illegal. No we prosecute the offenders.

[/QUOTE]And here we are, back where we started. With prosecuting the offenders.

Look, I go to AMPs. And I wouldn't if I thought the ladies I see were trafficked. But that doesn't mean that the reflexive (and defensive) leaping to the defense of ALL the people arrested is appropriate.

Trafficking is a thing, and I am fine with it being prosecuted.