"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Revvo;1970173]So I am doing this update with one of my comparisons. Very very different two women, in about every way these POTs are my Southern Sexy MILF and PuertoRican Tat Hottie. So first my Southern Sexy MILF (SSM) is older 40 YO White and kind of large but not fat I would guess around 145 lbs. Attractive, and very very sexual. She is a 7/6/8/? .

My PuertoRican Tat Hottie (PRTH) , is very beautiful, 19 YO Latina, very small a bonifide spinner even in the Hollywood scale, 5'3" 103 lbs. She is tiny and so fucking cute! She is really put together well and perfectly quioffed, and very artistic looking. She is much more shy and reserved in bed. Yes I fucked her today and she has a ways to go. She genuinely seems to like me and she tells me how much she likes being with me and how safe and comfortable she feels with me. But she definitely has a ways to go in sexual part. But damn what a sweet pussy. So tight and a beautiful ass. She is officially now at a 10/9/8/6. Kinda looks like Vanessa Marcil. And I want to bring that 6 up to a 10. Does anyone of the brothers have any advice on how to improve that score? Training wise? She is too good to waste that pussy with skills at a 6. I can help her with the blowjob. But any other advice would be awesome.


Revvo.[/QUOTE]Revvo. Anyone can spread their legs or plug a hole and pump it out while thinking of other things, but kissing __at least to me _ is the most sensual and emotionally satisfying act that we can engage in. So as Hollywood says, give it time and let the "love" grow. Even though you are an "old man" to her, she will become fonder as time goes on and will become more sensual. Don't push her. Compliment her when she does something you like, but don't criticize her deficiencies. Positive reinforcement is the way to go. She will respond happily when you tell her what a great kiss she just gave you and try to please you more.

I have been lurking on this thread since I got involved in the SD world back in the spring.*It has been a really fascinating, exciting, and educational year. Lots of mistakes. Good number of successes.

The suggestion has been made to read all the posts from the beginning. DO IT!*.

It took me something like two weeks to read everything but inside I found a goldmine of practical tips and motivational experiences.

-Thirdcoaster.

If I was rich, I would probably just leverage my bank account and use the allowance as the prime motivator. Keep it simple. Offer a good. Sized allowance. It is a legitimate strategy and many women will appreciate the clarity, directness, and the cash.

I'm not a wealthy guy so what I look for is value: someone who isn't going to cost me much and also wants to sleep with me pretty much immediately.

When I first started out, I felt like I was in a candy store. So many treats! I wanted to try them all!

What I found out was that trying them all meant paying a lot of money. Not only that but the amount of money I paid for my dates didn't really correlate with the FUN I had with my date. You might think that a higher allowance meant more fun but nope. The GP syndrome is real.

The value SBs are out there.*.

Here's where I've found mine:

1. blue. Collar neighborhoods.

Women in trendy neighborhoods tend to want higher allowances. Look in the blue. Collar neighborhoods. I've noticed that education levels are lower and that seems to result in lower allowance expectations.

2. rural areas*.

Search 1-2 hours away from the city for the rural SBs. Combine boredom with a low supply of SD's and you'll find SB's willing to settle for lower allowances.*.

3.*bad pictures.

Bad angles. Bad lighting. Blurry photo. Conservative photos. Someone who posts a bad picture is not going to get as many hits. Fewer contacts by SD's equals lower allowances.

4.*money is not the prime motivator.

Not every SB out there is looking for an allowance. Some have sugar baby fetishes. Some are just bored and want a fling. Some truly want a drama. Free, NSA relationship.

5.really likes you.

If you prove to be a good dater and lover, you'll often get a discount. Dealing with the asshole and creep SD's can be annoying to many SB's so I have found some SB's to be flexible on future allowances just so they don't have to deal with the experience again.*.

This week I stepped into the bowl for the first time. My past experiences have been with "pros". I've read religiously the many posts in this forum hoping to learn as much as I could before diving in. But, I quickly discovered that like sports, practice is good but very different from real game situations or in this case "life in the bowl". About 6 weeks ago, I met a 20-something single mother with long brown hair, spinner body, perfect teeth and a gorgeous face. In our first conversation, it was clear that she had been burned in past relationships and there was baggage and trust issues; it was also clear that what she lacked I could possibly provide. So, after a few drinks and a few hours of conversation we parted with a hug, light kiss and my number in her possession.

Two weeks went by and I got a text claiming she had misplaced my number (written on a matchbook, cliche I know but true). We started texting and talking for about 2 weeks and then talked about an official M&G. Meanwhile, she confessed she was struggling with rent and the holidays so I took a chance and wired her $$ (though not using my real name or address). This week, we had our meeting involving dinner and drinks (25 plus a $gift card). I had a room and invited her to come by for awhile and she was apprehensive suggesting we get to know one another better before taking that step. Without thinking, I said that I understood her feelings completely and was willing to wait.

So, we left in our own vehicles but 15 minutes after I arrived in my room she knocked on the door. So, I opened the door and quickly checked the hall and let her in and she hugged and lightly kissed me. I asked her why the change of mind, she said that because I didn't get mad when she suggested we wait that she felt she could trust me. That was dumb beginner's luck because I was mad but didn't show it. After I took her coat, I asked her if she wanted to sit on the sofa and she said no at which point a passionate encounter ensued that included DFK, BBBJ /69, then came the cover with multiple positions. After that I expected her to leave but we fell asleep talking and she woke up at 4:30 am and left. I expected (and perhaps should have broached the subject) her to want something else compensatory but she didn't. We plan to meet again in two weeks and I struggle with how I will handle the damage. Any insight or critique would be appreciated. I apologize for the length, but this dream went from being on "Top of the World" to being seriously let. Down to back on "Top of the World". I would rate her 8- looks, 7- body, 7-skills and 10-attitude. The attitude was like someone I had been with in a long relationship. I hope to repeat often.

R2.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1970750]Compliment her when she does something you like, but don't criticize her deficiencies. Positive reinforcement is the way to go. She will respond happily when you tell her what a great kiss she just gave you and try to please you more.[/QUOTE]Positive reinforcement is always the way to go. Unless it's a seasoned pro just going with the flow, compliments can be a great motivator for her to not be self conscious and just let go.

Revvo: I had to look up Vanessa Marcil and your spinner deserves an extra point if that's what she looks like. If the lack of skills is her only deficiency, see it as an opportunity to mold her into just what you want in the FC. She's young and probably just used to lying back in mish while a guy her age pumps twice before finishing.

Copper Fool: Am I reading correctly that you've got sweet honey on a $/ MONTH allowance for min 3 dates? That's impressive. What's your total cost with her out the pocket including room and other expenses? I was high fiving myself when I had a SB on a $/ date which were overnighters and her making me dinner every other date.

I think there were some other posts I wanted to reply to but with the activity on this board I forget what it was.

On a closing note: I've been good with keeping self identifying information locked up in the glove compartment including insurance / registration, receipts with my name and even my dry cleaning slip that I usually keep in the cup holder, when I've got a SB or POT in my car. I just realized that a scarf that I've had in the back of my car since winter started is now missing. It's not valuable or important but now I'll have to just toss things in the trunk atleast. I think one of the car dates just grabbed it along with her stuff. Has anyone else had something similar happen with getting things lifted from your car?

[QUOTE=Mattingly;1970719]Hi guys. Been lurking here for a while and reading the volumes of info.

I dipped my toes into the pool a couple months ago with some success. One of my pet peeves is paying for access to any of the sugar baby sites. I have limited funds, and it just seems counter productive to use them to pay for access to one of the sites. I tried Craigslist with no success.

What I've settled on is sugardaddytoday. Seems like most of the women are real, I've had 5 M&G of which 2 led to FC dates on the next meet. Every once in a while I get a message from someone absurdly far away but other than that there's no spam, very limited fakes, and it's free with no CC required.

Was wondering why no one has ever referenced this site on these boards? Is it possible it's never been found by anyone here?[/QUOTE]Actually, I use that site but the only luck I've had with it has been all bad. One girl lived 90 minutes away and wanted me to give sugar without giving sugar in return. Another wanted to engage in endless e. Mails and texts and then she wanted me to advance her some sugar before we even met. I still go to the site and see what's happening in my area, but the local pickings on that site are very, very slim.

[QUOTE=Reffin2;1971027]This week I stepped into the bowl for the first time. My past experiences have been with "pros". I've read religiously the many posts in this forum hoping to learn as much as I could before diving in. But, I quickly discovered that like sports, practice is good but very different from real game situations or in this case "life in the bowl". About 6 weeks ago, I met a 20-something single mother with long brown hair, spinner body, perfect teeth and a gorgeous face. In our first conversation, it was clear that she had been burned in past relationships and there was baggage and trust issues; it was also clear that what she lacked I could possibly provide. So, after a few drinks and a few hours of conversation we parted with a hug, light kiss and my number in her possession.

Two weeks went by and I got a text claiming she had misplaced my number (written on a matchbook, cliche I know but true). We started texting and talking for about 2 weeks and then talked about an official M&G. Meanwhile, she confessed she was struggling with rent and the holidays so I took a chance and wired her $$ (though not using my real name or address). This week, we had our meeting involving dinner and drinks (25 plus a $gift card). I had a room and invited her to come by for awhile and she was apprehensive suggesting we get to know one another better before taking that step. Without thinking, I said that I understood her feelings completely and was willing to wait.

So, we left in our own vehicles but 15 minutes after I arrived in my room she knocked on the door. So, I opened the door and quickly checked the hall and let her in and she hugged and lightly kissed me. I asked her why the change of mind, she said that because I didn't get mad when she suggested we wait that she felt she could trust me. That was dumb beginner's luck because I was mad but didn't show it. After I took her coat, I asked her if she wanted to sit on the sofa and she said no at which point a passionate encounter ensued that included DFK, BBBJ /69, then came the cover with multiple positions. After that I expected her to leave but we fell asleep talking and she woke up at 4:30 am and left. I expected (and perhaps should have broached the subject) her to want something else compensatory but she didn't. We plan to meet again in two weeks and I struggle with how I will handle the damage. Any insight or critique would be appreciated. I apologize for the length, but this dream went from being on "Top of the World" to being seriously let. Down to back on "Top of the World". I would rate her 8- looks, 7- body, 7-skills and 10-attitude. The attitude was like someone I had been with in a long relationship. I hope to repeat often.

R2.[/QUOTE]Reffin that is an awesome start. One thing I learned is to never show anger no matter what they do. There are many opportunities for them to come back after something goes wrong. It has happened to me many times.

You did great. And the amazing thing I would probably never have sent her any money. But sometimes you look at it like an investment.

And remember what I have always said the bowl is a fluid situation. It will always be filled with ups and downs. Accept it or you will be miserble.

You are doing great. Now time to lock her in. Keep building that trust and get her into a regular rotation. Establish with her how much you are going to spend on her. This will show her you are taking the lead.

Keep writing that is how you learn.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=ThirdCoaster;1970911]If I was rich, I would probably just leverage my bank account and use the allowance as the prime motivator. Keep it simple. Offer a good. Sized allowance. It is a legitimate strategy and many women will appreciate the clarity, directness, and the cash.

I'm not a wealthy guy so what I look for is value: someone who isn't going to cost me much and also wants to sleep with me pretty much immediately.

When I first started out, I felt like I was in a candy store. So many treats! I wanted to try them all!

What I found out was that trying them all meant paying a lot of money. Not only that but the amount of money I paid for my dates didn't really correlate with the FUN I had with my date. You might think that a higher allowance meant more fun but nope. The GP syndrome is real.

The value SBs are out there.*.

Here's where I've found mine:

1. blue. Collar neighborhoods.

Women in trendy neighborhoods tend to want higher allowances. Look in the blue. Collar neighborhoods. I've noticed that education levels are lower and that seems to result in lower allowance expectations.

2. rural areas*.

Search 1-2 hours away from the city for the rural SBs. Combine boredom with a low supply of SD's and you'll find SB's willing to settle for lower allowances.*.

3.*bad pictures.

Bad angles. Bad lighting. Blurry photo. Conservative photos. Someone who posts a bad picture is not going to get as many hits. Fewer contacts by SD's equals lower allowances.

4.*money is not the prime motivator.

Not every SB out there is looking for an allowance. Some have sugar baby fetishes. Some are just bored and want a fling. Some truly want a drama. Free, NSA relationship.

5.really likes you.

If you prove to be a good dater and lover, you'll often get a discount. Dealing with the asshole and creep SD's can be annoying to many SB's so I have found some SB's to be flexible on future allowances just so they don't have to deal with the experience again.*.[/QUOTE]You stole my playbook. LOL.

[QUOTE=Reffin2;1971027]This week I stepped into the bowl for the first time. My past experiences have been with "pros". I've read religiously the many posts in this forum hoping to learn as much as I could before diving in. But, I quickly discovered that like sports, practice is good but very different from real game situations or in this case "life in the bowl". About 6 weeks ago, I met a 20-something single mother with long brown hair, spinner body, perfect teeth and a gorgeous face. In our first conversation, it was clear that she had been burned in past relationships and there was baggage and trust issues; it was also clear that what she lacked I could possibly provide. So, after a few drinks and a few hours of conversation we parted with a hug, light kiss and my number in her possession.

Two weeks went by and I got a text claiming she had misplaced my number (written on a matchbook, cliche I know but true). We started texting and talking for about 2 weeks and then talked about an official M&G. Meanwhile, she confessed she was struggling with rent and the holidays so I took a chance and wired her $$ (though not using my real name or address). This week, we had our meeting involving dinner and drinks (25 plus a $gift card). I had a room and invited her to come by for awhile and she was apprehensive suggesting we get to know one another better before taking that step. Without thinking, I said that I understood her feelings completely and was willing to wait.

So, we left in our own vehicles but 15 minutes after I arrived in my room she knocked on the door. So, I opened the door and quickly checked the hall and let her in and she hugged and lightly kissed me. I asked her why the change of mind, she said that because I didn't get mad when she suggested we wait that she felt she could trust me. That was dumb beginner's luck because I was mad but didn't show it. After I took her coat, I asked her if she wanted to sit on the sofa and she said no at which point a passionate encounter ensued that included DFK, BBBJ /69, then came the cover with multiple positions. After that I expected her to leave but we fell asleep talking and she woke up at 4:30 am and left. I expected (and perhaps should have broached the subject) her to want something else compensatory but she didn't. We plan to meet again in two weeks and I struggle with how I will handle the damage. Any insight or critique would be appreciated. I apologize for the length, but this dream went from being on "Top of the World" to being seriously let. Down to back on "Top of the World". I would rate her 8- looks, 7- body, 7-skills and 10-attitude. The attitude was like someone I had been with in a long relationship. I hope to repeat often.

R2.[/QUOTE]Anything more than a $ a date would be charity.

8 new babies in 2013, plus one holdover from 2012.8 other M&G which did not pan out.

Youngest 19, oldest 35? (didn't card her).

Total dates - 41. About 50% sleepovers. Total sugar $5 K plus gas and some food. Most sugar was $ Minimum was 50.

Had the most success with SA. Have also used talent section of CL{talent section - }interesting point there is most girls respond via email which provides their real name, then pipl search and facebook to verify and do some hunting.

At end of the year one active, 2 more on deck for when I return to my away city.

Maximum was $$.

[QUOTE=Graham111;1971674]8 new babies in 2013, plus one holdover from 2012.8 other M&G which did not pan out.

Youngest 19, oldest 35? (didn't card her).

Total dates - 41. About 50% sleepovers. Total sugar $5 K plus gas and some food. Most sugar was $ Minimum was 50.

Had the most success with SA. Have also used talent section of CL{talent section - }interesting point there is most girls respond via email which provides their real name, then pipl search and facebook to verify and do some hunting.

At end of the year one active, 2 more on deck for when I return to my away city.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ThirdCoaster;1970911]If I was rich, I would probably just leverage my bank account and use the allowance as the prime motivator. Keep it simple. Offer a good. Sized allowance. It is a legitimate strategy and many women will appreciate the clarity, directness, and the cash.

I'm not a wealthy guy so what I look for is value: someone who isn't going to cost me much and also wants to sleep with me pretty much immediately.

When I first started out, I felt like I was in a candy store. So many treats! I wanted to try them all!

What I found out was that trying them all meant paying a lot of money. Not only that but the amount of money I paid for my dates didn't really correlate with the FUN I had with my date. You might think that a higher allowance meant more fun but nope. The GP syndrome is real.

The value SBs are out there.*.

Here's where I've found mine:

1. blue. Collar neighborhoods.

Women in trendy neighborhoods tend to want higher allowances. Look in the blue. Collar neighborhoods. I've noticed that education levels are lower and that seems to result in lower allowance expectations.

2. rural areas*.

Search 1-2 hours away from the city for the rural SBs. Combine boredom with a low supply of SD's and you'll find SB's willing to settle for lower allowances.*.

3.*bad pictures.

Bad angles. Bad lighting. Blurry photo. Conservative photos. Someone who posts a bad picture is not going to get as many hits. Fewer contacts by SD's equals lower allowances.

4.*money is not the prime motivator.

Not every SB out there is looking for an allowance. Some have sugar baby fetishes. Some are just bored and want a fling. Some truly want a drama. Free, NSA relationship.

5.really likes you.

If you prove to be a good dater and lover, you'll often get a discount. Dealing with the asshole and creep SD's can be annoying to many SB's so I have found some SB's to be flexible on future allowances just so they don't have to deal with the experience again.*.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more with your playbook. I've realized that there are a number of chicks who are just looking for some extra cash and they are very willing to go to the FC very quicky to do it. I've made the mistake of going after both P4 P and babes that want to date. I don't have time to date or make her feel comfortable. With the P4 P babes I've had some great success (I will explain later), however the other day I had my first flake. The 20 yr old single mom has been on me for weeks to go to the FC I found her on SA and negotiated terms via text, 150 per visit and we would meet in the morning. After 2 weeks at home with my family I was itching to get into something so I hit up this babe, she quickly agrees but there is one problem. We were supposed to have snow over night and it would be difficult to travel on some roads. At 8 am she texts me to confirm that we are still on and I agree because I got the room the night before. I assume she leaves at 9 am but no I get a text at 10:30 saying she is on her way and it was going to take 90 min to get to me but she was determined. I also got a late check out (1 pm) so we could get into something and I could extend the room another day if we really got into it. At 12:40 she texts and says she's been on the road for 2 hours and is frustrated but that's it, I didn't hear from her again. Maybe she was embarassed or thought I lash out at her but since she doesn't know me she didn't know what to expect. Oh well on to the next one.

Here is my current roster.

Sarg - 30 yr old girl in the military, I see her twice a month and we just go to the FC its been 4 times and I've given her a total of $$6 in sugar, dinner once ($40) and $60 4 X hotel, total $540, She just wants someone to get with every now and then and I'm happy to oblige.

Mom #1 - 23 yr old mom of 2, she is a home health care nurse 3 days a week so she meets me when her kids are at school in the morning. She isn't very affectionate but is determined to make sure I have a great time and does anything she can think of to make that happen. I've seen her twice at $3 per visit plus the $60 room. I also got her a prepaid phone at $30. Toal on this one is $.

Thickie - 20 yr old thick girl she is nasty and I love every second. I've only seen her once due to the holidays but our first encounter left me wanting more. I give her $2 in sugar and the room was $60 so a total of $8.

I also have 2 other girls that want to go on dates so what ever reason I've continued this but these will end soon if we don't go to the FC this month and I'm not spending any more money. Thus far I've spent a total of $300 on these babe and have gotten no where. I get a whole lot more for a whole lot less from my "value" babes.

[QUOTE=Reffin2;1971027] I asked her why the change of mind, she said that because I didn't get mad when she suggested we wait that she felt she could trust me. [/QUOTE]Some girls take longer to get comfortable. The key is giving the girl the time and space to make her own choice. You can't push on a string. The art to it is not spending too much money on time and space. When the money hurts it's too much. A second or subsequent occurrence of this is not necessarily a bad sign if the amount involved is less than the time before.

While I have read quite a bit about new girls getting a little queezy about the whole cash for sex exchange I personally have not really encountered it, in 6 years of doing this. Maybe because I live in hollywood? or just L.A. in general is all about what you have and getting more.

My new 19 year old HCB (I am her first) was aghast when she saw the cash on the first date (she threw it back at me). We just finished date # 2. She kept saying "Am I a prostitute?" (today she took the cash)

I emailed her this an hour ago. Submitted with her reply.

ME.

A prostitute is a girl that takes money in exchange for sex from multiple men she is un-attracted to, and may engage in sex acts that do not turn her on.

A sugar baby is a girl that is compensated for her time by men (usually one at a time) that she is attracted to... And only has sex that she is turned on by.

Which one are you?

HER.

The second one.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1974071]

My new 19 year old HCB (I am her first) was aghast when she saw the cash on the first date (she threw it back at me). We just finished date # 2. She kept saying

" am I a prostitute?" (today she took the cash)

.[/QUOTE]Um, that would be a YES LOL.

Our job for these girls who are not working pros yet is to convince them that they are not Ho's and that it is OK for them to take care of our business. We are magicians, it is all an illusion. Good job Hollywood!

I am thrilled to see such an influx of new bowlers! Welcome! It is good to have new talent and input.

ATF #4.

As for this oldster, I'm still entertaining my ATF #4 weekly. I just discovered her on SDFM (we met on SA where she promptly took her profile down.) Actually, it was pretty funny, since I have a different profile there she Kissed me not knowing it was me. Ooops! She has always been up front about not being a fan of monogamy, so obviously she is on the prowl for more Do Re Mi. I know I am satisfying her sexually. We are very compatible. She wants full support since she has a child now and doesn't want to work, and I can't afford that. She agreed to let me know when she has a new SD and I have told her I will opt out. I care about her too much to trade semen with a bunch of other guys. If she wants I will recommend her to some of you guys. She is a ten across the board. I suspect she won't be that mercenary but we'll see. She could lie and keep seeing me but she is brutally honest, so I don't think she will do that.

SB #2.

Interestingly, my SB #2 is a FB for 1/3 the money and I think she will do just fine keeping my tanks empty. I might even see her twice / week if I move on from ATF. She is a 7/7/7/7 but has a very tight cooch and wrings me dry every time.

SO # 1 and only.

Lots of oversight and awareness, so I have to try to keep a very low profile. So backing away from ATF might not be a bad idea anyway.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1159616]Interesting concept. But I wonder if it will raise suspicion. Also not sure if you gain anything because they have your I. D. Info anyway. Usually I pay for the room in advance with a credit card and the bill shows up under the door in the morning marked paid.[/QUOTE]Your I.the. Is not the problem since it leaves no trail if you pay in cash. It's not like you S.O. Is going around asking to see I.the. Info at local hotels. They wouldn't give it out anyway even if they did keep it on file LOL. Cash is key to your privacy.

[QUOTE=Spitfire;1175219]I'm curious how you handle it on a first meeting when a potential SB doesn't look like her photos? Do you simply say "we're not a good fit" and walk away or do you continue to see if she might have other redeeming features? It depends for me, but the one time I continued after 'bad' photos I regretted it. I met a potential SB 3 weekends ago. Her pictures were probably 10 years old and she hadn't aged well. We sat and chatted a while. She asked if I wanted to continue and I wished her luck, told her I didn't think we could work, left her a small amount of sugar and left.

Why will it be your last time with SB4? Feel free to send her my way LOL.

SB9 sounds like fun too.

Good luck with your weekend! I've got 2 girls lined up myself, but of course, both require travel and they're in opposite directions. Both of them are college students. I've met one of them before and I'm breaking my own rule about not seeing her again since there was nothing more than dinner the first time.[/QUOTE]If she doesn't have a smart phone or can't get to a computer for a live video chat, don't see her. Simple as that.

[QUOTE=Coolhand2;1197240]Met CSB6 today. After some talk, some making out, we head to the bed. She was even more stunning naked then clothed. Long hair to her waist; a J. Lo body (leaner then J. Lo but with same wide hips and great ass.) She hasn't had kids, so the body was firm all over. I don't know where to start. When she gave oral, she showed she had wonderful skills. When she received oral, she was incredibly responsive. When I told her I wanted that pussy, she actually said to me: "I'm not sure if that's a good idea. You won't be able to stand it."

I had forgotten what a tight 23 year old pussy was like. She was right, it was all I could do to stand it. It was the best I have had in a long long time. But I had to show her that us old guys still had game so I proceeded to try to break her in half. The view of her under me with those gorgeous thighs spread wide was a glorious sight. I spent the whole time in mish because I couldn't give up that view. She was a great dirty talker, something that I love, which had me going stark raving crazy. Any way I think you get the picture. When we finished, she could hardly walk and I had muscles hurting that I forgot I had. I gave her some sugar, she thanked me profusely and wanted to know when she would see me again. I had overstayed my pass and I just made it in before the warden. I had to go sneak some aspirin before I got asked why I was acting so funny.

Lit is right about a lot of things, but one thing he is absolutely right about: that early 20's pussy is fantastic.[/QUOTE]Hold up, just hold up a minute. PLEASE explain to us why you would give her "sugar" when she told you (more than once I believe) that it wasn't wanted. What part of the game is that?

[blue]I do the same, it reminds them of why they are there. The most expensive punanni in the world is free punanni.

A2[/blue]

[QUOTE=CBrownEye;1974765]Hold up, just hold up a minute. PLEASE explain to us why you would give her "sugar" when she told you (more than once I believe) that it wasn't wanted. What part of the game is that?

[blue]I do the same, it reminds them of why they are there. The most expensive punanni in the world is free punanni.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]Never trust a girl that won't take the sugar. An ounce of sugar today will save you a pound of it tomorrow. I am debt free and intend to stay that way.

When SB10 started with "you led me on, I love you" and my life looked shattered, I came back with Quid Pro Quo, I always kept my end of the arrangement but it was an arrangement and you never said no. I am not sure it made any difference to her but it sure made a difference to ME! Eventually the storm passed; I see she has a new bf on facebook.

One wise sage here has said never take advantage, provide a fair sugar and keep your temper in a box. So true gents.

Working CL has been a whole learning experience from SA but may be looking up. I have been chasing a HYB since mid December and finally have a M&G tomorrow. Based on her pics she is the little hard body I need to start a new years resolution. Hope she is as slutty as her pics...keep you posted and happy hunting!

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1975629]Never trust a girl that won't take the sugar. An ounce of sugar today will save you a pound of it tomorrow. I am debt free and intend to stay that way.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CBrownEye;1974765]Hold up, just hold up a minute. PLEASE explain to us why you would give her "sugar" when she told you (more than once I believe) that it wasn't wanted. What part of the game is that?

[blue]I do the same, it reminds them of why they are there. The most expensive punanni in the world is free punanni.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]CBrownEye: Maybe I'm the skeptic... You have a limited number of posts and looking at them you seem really willing to tell everyone else how they should be doing things and conducting themselves. Yet I didn't find one post from you giving any experience you've had with anyone escort, SB, MP, SW ...nothing. How about you contribute something before you start criticizing others? Just my thoughts...but then again I'm in kind of a pissy mood this eve.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1975629]Never trust a girl that won't take the sugar. An ounce of sugar today will save you a pound of it tomorrow. I am debt free and intend to stay that way.[/QUOTE]I'm still learning to walk in the bowl. Thanks for the easy to remember advise on this one, it'll probably come in real handy sooner rather than later. I've got a play date planned for next weekend with my 20's single mom. Since I am a competitive person this meets that need in my personality whereas my previous recreational activities were more like fishing in an aquarium (of course while using a variety of precautionary resources). The bowl on the other hand, has given me (at least in my mind) a greater feeling of being in control and has offered me a little "cat and mouse" and "fox and hound" aspect to the hobby.

I admit that right now it is hard for me to adequately measure the sugar. We're planning for this upcoming rendezvous to be an overnighter and I don't want to lowball or give away the farm. Again, I am always open to receiving advise and criticism; so by all means continue my education.

R2.

[QUOTE=Reffin2;1976182]I'm still learning to walk in the bowl. Thanks for the easy to remember advise on this one, it'll probably come in real handy sooner rather than later. I've got a play date planned for next weekend with my 20's single mom. Since I am a competitive person this meets that need in my personality whereas my previous recreational activities were more like fishing in an aquarium (of course while using a variety of precautionary resources). The bowl on the other hand, has given me (at least in my mind) a greater feeling of being in control and has offered me a little "cat and mouse" and "fox and hound" aspect to the hobby.

I admit that right now it is hard for me to adequately measure the sugar. We're planning for this upcoming rendezvous to be an overnighter and I don't want to lowball or give away the farm. Again, I am always open to receiving advise and criticism; so by all means continue my education.

R2.[/QUOTE]$ for her plus you cover the room, food, party favors, etc. I currently have 16 girls in the queue. 8 pros and 8 non pros all agreed to at $. Hoping to meet up with at least 2 of the non pros this week. Once you build your pipeline, that $ will seem like a lot or at least fair. This will reflect in your overall attitude during discussions. You must have a take away mentality and be willing to walk with no reservations. Girls will sense your confidence. The GPS girls and most pros will walk. The needy non pros (needy, as in, they need more than just cash to be happy) and many pros on the down low (or UTR girls) will accept. Overall these girls appear to be mostly 8's, with a couple 7's and a couple 9's.

HollywoodGuy is still the man!! .

I have been around the bowl for about a year (Thanks for all folks here). Unfortunately, I got several SBs, and I was only able to score one UTR w / $ Maybe my geolocation is tougher market. Scoring $ SBs are tough in San Diego. I have suspended my hunting activities for several months now. Itching to go back.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1976283]$ for her plus you cover the room, food, party favors, etc. I currently have 16 girls in the queue. 8 pros and 8 non pros all agreed to at $. Hoping to meet up with at least 2 of the non pros this week. Once you build your pipeline, that $ will seem like a lot or at least fair. This will reflect in your overall attitude during discussions. You must have a take away mentality and be willing to walk with no reservations. Girls will sense your confidence. The GPS girls and most pros will walk. The needy non pros (needy, as in, they need more than just cash to be happy) and many pros on the down low (or UTR girls) will accept. Overall these girls appear to be mostly 8's, with a couple 7's and a couple 9's.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Reffin2;1976182]
I admit that right now it is hard for me to adequately measure the sugar. We're planning for this upcoming rendezvous to be an overnighter and I don't want to lowball or give away the farm. Again, I am always open to receiving advise and criticism; so by all means continue my education.

R2.[/QUOTE]$ is great if you can score that, but a lot depends on your game, age, location, and patience. I would ask her what she hopes for. It's like any negotiation. You try to get the other party to throw out the first number.

[QUOTE=DogRice;1976315]HollywoodGuy is still the man!! .

I have been around the bowl for about a year (Thanks for all folks here). Unfortunately, I got several SBs, and I was only able to score one UTR w / $ Maybe my geolocation is tougher market. Scoring $ SBs are tough in San Diego. I have suspended my hunting activities for several months now. Itching to go back.[/QUOTE]It is slimmer pickings down there. And my demographic is AA or mixed (disproportionately represented and less demanding) but young (18 to 22) so less girls to choose from. And at least half spinners (not too many of these either). You must hit them up on day one. Good luck. It only takes a few minutes a day to find the new girls and send them an intro message. I search up to 50 miles from my zip code.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1976485]$ is great if you can score that, but a lot depends on your game, age, location, and patience. I would ask her what she hopes for. It's like any negotiation. You try to get the other party to throw out the first number.[/QUOTE]I have to disagree on one thing. I always throw out the first number and never negotiate. (It's not likely anyone is going to ask for less.) But I also let them know they can pass on intercourse on the first date as long as they get me off. At least 50% still go all the way, anyway.

ATF is on SA and SDFM looking for more daddies. She is up front needing more money for total support. I know a lot of you don't care about your SB fucking other guys but I don't like it. I'm starting to phase her out because she is obviously becoming an UTR and career SB. So:

SB #2.

Is on tonight for a booty call. She is a delicious fuck at $.25 but there is no emotional benefit. Total time 20 minutes.

ATF #4.

Is on for tomorrow at $325. She is emotionally satisfying but is still a 1+ hour Booty Call since I don't have time to spend with her. If I could get time off from the warden for good behavior she would spend all night and I would get my moneys worth.

So I'm thinking moving her out when she finds a new Daddy. She is OK with multiple daddies and wants me in the game to build her financial stability. She wants more $ ,so she gets a new Daddy and loses one. Maybe the new one will pay better.

My baby at work... Yeah she dances. And quite well. 5' 5' and 102.

My first SB. Nando 1 to the core. 5' 2' and 105. With 32 D's that I paid for back in the day. She just got out and dropped by to get 15 dollars. How the mighty have fallen.

If any girl tries to fuck with me my roommate will kick their ass. 5' 1' and 105.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1977053]If any girl tries to fuck with me my roommate will kick their ass. 5' 1' and 105.[/QUOTE]HG- You are maestro, master, guru of SD world. Hands down, you are my guru. Hope I can learn from your experience and wisdom.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1977047]My first SB. Nando 1 to the core. 5' 2' and 105. With 32 D's that I paid for back in the day. She just got out and dropped by to get 15 dollars. How the mighty have fallen.[/QUOTE]She looks mighty cute but I do know how fucked up they can be. Very nice TaTas . I hope you got your moneys worth before she showed her true colors

Your Roommate is hot! I love Asians.

I saw someone mention the sugar daddy today site in an earlier post and I wanted to comment. I'm actually in Ohio, and new to the sugar daddy thing but I have had some success with this site. It is completely free, which is nice but the pickings are kind of slim. I ended up meeting with a very cute 18 year old for $ per date, and also a thick but cute AA woman for the same price. Pretty much every woman I contact on there has responded and most were open to meeting and my price range, but I only have so much time to meet. Anyways, it seems like I don't have much competition which is making things easier for me. But for a free site, it may be worth it for you guys to check it out.

[QUOTE=DogSun;1977587]I saw someone mention the sugar daddy today site in an earlier post and I wanted to comment. I'm actually in Ohio, and new to the sugar daddy thing but I have had some success with this site. It is completely free, which is nice but the pickings are kind of slim. I ended up meeting with a very cute 18 year old for $ per date, and also a thick but cute AA woman for the same price. Pretty much every woman I contact on there has responded and most were open to meeting and my price range, but I only have so much time to meet. Anyways, it seems like I don't have much competition which is making things easier for me. But for a free site, it may be worth it for you guys to check it out.[/QUOTE]Lucky you, because I was on that site recently and I got what I paid for.

Hey hollywood guy (and anyone else living nearby) do you have any experience with orange county girls? Is it more costly down there?

I just wanted to stop by and say Hi to the brotherhood, I know it's been awhile. Looks like I have a lot of reports to catch up on! I had a few people PM me wondering if I got busted or something, so I just wanted to give a quick update.

I'm doing fine, I haven't been busted by the warden or even come close to exposure lately. It's just I decided to scale back my Sugar Bowl activities a bit and I'm also working on an interesting project which I'll share with Senior Members on this board very soon. So I just haven't had too much time on my hands.

As mentioned I'm really trying to streamline my SB activities lately and tighten the belt. Most of my SBs from the summer have been let go or are in the wind, and I've let my memberships expire on the SD sites. Interestingly enough, my current two SBs who are smokin' hot but also have small budget demands, I found from doing a CL ad. Earlier last year when I posted some CL ads, I got spam or hideous responses. Pretty much a waste of time. But I recently decided to do a little panning in CL and I struck gold surprisingly. Both girls are new to the Sugar Bowl, both are educated, both are young and hot with modest financial demands. I've never ever got such good responses from CL even a couple of years ago, so the Sugar Bowl still has amazing ways of surprising me.

I just wanted to pop in, but I hope all my brothers here are doing well. I'll try to get back more into the swing of things around here.

- JGS.

First, a thank you to my colleagues, advisors, and teachers here, although if any of you actually know me, it was under another name and in another place and a pretty long time ago in hobby years. I have been actively exploring, M&G'ing, and closing deals via the usual SD sites for a few months, making dumb mistakes and then less of them, meeting grossly inappropriate potential SBs, and then less of them, and eventually finding my niche in a somewhat older demographic (28-35) than many here. I'm lucky enough to be okay with 1500 or so / month in total compensation, maybe even a little more, for a steady, albeit compartmentalized relationship. Its actually harder to meet interested and sane women in this demographic than in younger ones- many hardened and GPS women here, professional SBs, if you will, Daddied in the past by guys with more discretionary funds than good sense.

I'm concerned about the tax implications of providing that much cash support to any one woman, and in particular crossing the 14 K / year threshold for reporting of gifts. I have absolutely no confidence that whomever I develop a relationship with won't eventually behave in a way that invites audit, or that brings adverse scrutiny for my own unwillingness to file a gift tax return, even though I am millions and millions short of the lifetime limit for actually having to pay anything.

So- is the 14 K (roughly 1150/ mo) limit why some of you have diversified, to so speak, or otherwise kept your outlay down? Are there methods I'm not thinking of to supplement cash gifts with paying selected monthly bills or routine perks, such as spa or club memberships? Have any of you actually caught the eye of the IRS in the course of your relationships, or been threatened with same when the heat has come down?

Feel free to back-channel, but a public post might help others more than me. As some point I will post a bit more about my early experiences, which in some ways are a "how don't" for others.

TR.

[QUOTE=Wnde8;1978681]Hey hollywood guy (and anyone else living nearby) do you have any experience with orange county girls? Is it more costly down there?[/QUOTE]It seems that the anaheim area is very good fishing, just too far from my house to venture down there. And lots of activity in the LBC.