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[QUOTE=CoronaLime;5717520]Saw a hot young spinner blonde WSW at kid Valley today.
2 White Jeans.
Saw a hot brunette spinner WSW. Also young, yesterday at Lowes. She was engaging and waving to passing cars.
Both looked amazing.[/QUOTE]I've seen Nova North and one of her (I assume) friends or coworkers by kidd valley.
Lot of girls out Monday night as I drove through. Several of them all bunched-up together in a large group at 137th. I dislike it when they're all grouped like that and want to make a pick-up, so I continued on. I know a lot of street girls out there read this board, if that's you then stop bunching-up in a group like that. My money is burning a hole in my pocket, you could be the recipient, but not if you're standing a large group. But there were so many girls that I started to look into the group and see if anyone appealed to me. Then I looked forward and realized that traffic had stopped. I slammed on the brakes and nearly hit the car in front of me. Really embarrassing. I spotted some nice spinner blonde WSWs by Kidd Valley, three to be exact, but too much traffic and some pedestrians for me to feel comfortable enough to stop. Plus, I'm almost certain these girls were high-dollar with very low-value return on my investment. With that I said "fuck it" out loud to myself and went home.
[QUOTE=StreetTroller;5659826]I'll go out on a limb and say that there isn't really any good way to verify for absolute certain. An underage girl can easily do the math ahead of time and pick a year that instantly makes her 20 years-old. We can also ask for identification but if she has a fake identification card then that goes right out the window. My understanding is that in this state if an SW shows an identification card which is fake then we still can't use that legally in our defense. In the eyes of the law if she's underage then she's underage, no ands ifs or buts. So a girl can lie and apparently that's okay no matter if we tried to cover our bases. Basically we're screwed either way.[/QUOTE]All true, just like if you picked her up in a 21 and over bar and she had a fake I'd to get in. You are still toast. Part of the reason I never pick up a SW any more. I may stroll and look at eye candy but that's it! A friend of mine in Dallas got into a HUGE amount of trouble around 2003 or so. He picked up a SW and while on the way to a motel he already had set aside he got stopped by the police. Of course during the course of the interview none of the stories matched up so he was sinking on the Titanic. To make matters worse, when uncle LEO was not looking she took a small baggie containing a white powder and put it in his armrest. When police searched his vehicle HE got taken down town for it. Took him two years to clean it up and close to $20,000 in attorney fees, but the damage had been done. Job lost, wife lost, kids would not speak to him (to this day) and he has never recovered financially or professionally.
Another good reason even when dealing with internet girls, only well reviewed, from well known clients. Even then there is always a risk.
[QUOTE=StreetTroller;5580430]Definitely not a legal expert, but from what I've seen, police jump when a girl gets in the car. They can talk through the window, but they pounce when she gets in. They instantly separate the SW and the john for questioning. I've parked and watched this happen and it can take quite a while. The girl, if she feels pressure, will give you up, then they'll let her walk. Police can arrest or ticket, whether or not you formally get charged is another matter, but now you have to fight that off. It's just one big pain in the ass even if nothing ultimately happens to you.
In the race for City Attorney, one candidate is very much in favor of targeting johns on Aurora. I believe she'll be quite aggressive about it if she is elected. It's just an overall good idea to start practicing to be discreet.[/QUOTE]Even if you are NOT charged or you beat the charges, the arrest will likely completely destroy your life. Especially if they run mug shots on local news.
[QUOTE=SfoDavid67;5733814]Even if you are NOT charged or you beat the charges, the arrest will likely completely destroy your life. Especially if they run mug shots on local news.[/QUOTE]When I seek companionship, I try to be careful, researching options, and reducing risk, but I know that there's always the possibility of getting caught up in a sting. The stakes aren't small even if the odds are.
In Washington, patronizing an adult sex worker is a misdemeanor. Penalties can include a fine of up to $1,000 and / or up to 90 days in jail, as well as impound of your vehicle.
But engaging in [I]promotion of prostitution[/I] is a class B felony, punishable by a fine of up to $20,000 and / or up to 10 years in prison. Pimping is obviously considered promotion of prostitution, but any act that furthers or advances prostitution can also be classified as "promotion"; the relationship between the sex worker and others who get a cut of the proceeds, or otherwise benefit from prostitution, doesn't have to be a coercive one. If memory serves, this was one of many charges against the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen from TRB. Prosecutors argued that positive reviews / recommendations fit within the definition of promoting prostitution.
Finally, patronizing a juvenile sex worker is a felony. In addition to the felony punishments above, you'll be required to register as a sex offender for life.
[QUOTE=StreetTroller;5580430]Definitely not a legal expert, but from what I've seen, police jump when a girl gets in the car. They can talk through the window, but they pounce when she gets in. They instantly separate the SW and the john for questioning. I've parked and watched this happen and it can take quite a while. The girl, if she feels pressure, will give you up, then they'll let her walk. Police can arrest or ticket, whether or not you formally get charged is another matter, but now you have to fight that off. It's just one big pain in the ass even if nothing ultimately happens to you.
In the race for City Attorney, one candidate is very much in favor of targeting johns on Aurora. I believe she'll be quite aggressive about it if she is elected. It's just an overall good idea to start practicing to be discreet.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SfoDavid67;5733814]Even if you are NOT charged or you beat the charges, the arrest will likely completely destroy your life. Especially if they run mug shots on local news.[/QUOTE]Yup. The mugshot in the newspaper, your car being towed away, the huge expense of fines, towing, impound, lawyer etc and then also possibly loosing your job. Even if the charges do not stick, this is a HUGE impact to your life and well being. It is really ridiculous, given that violent crime is on the rise, cars are being jacked more often and catalytic converters are being sawed off at alarmingly high rates and we of course we want to defund the police. The few brave cops that are still on the streets should be focusing on what makes Seattle safer to live in. Don't get me wrong I do feel there needs to be police reform, but defunding the police seems to make no sense whatsoever. Frustrating.
Drove through the street today, saw a young very cute WSW with black leather pant and pink jacket, she was waving to the traffic. Want to make a stop but didn't have the time. Anyone have details of her?
As of this past September, it's actually a felony to solicit a prostitute in Texas. Not sure how many they've actually prosecuted thus far, though. With everything else going on in that state, I'm wondering when conservatives will make it illegal to have sex outside of marriage at all down there. Ah, Texas.
[QUOTE=SfoDavid67;5733745]A friend of mine in Dallas got into a HUGE amount of trouble around 2003 or so. He picked up a SW and while on the way to a motel he already had set aside he got stopped by the police. Of course during the course of the interview none of the stories matched up so he was sinking on the Titanic. To make matters worse, when uncle LEO was not looking she took a small baggie containing a white powder and put it in his armrest. When police searched his vehicle HE got taken down town for it. Took him two years to clean it up and close to $20,000 in attorney fees, but the damage had been done. Job lost, wife lost, kids would not speak to him (to this day) and he has never recovered financially or professionally.
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't it also a felony to transport a provider to her dates? Could be as simple as a provider asking, "hey, can you give me a ride to somewhere?" after you both finish your time together. You agree, not knowing why she's going there, and then something happens and suddenly you're on the hook.
I'm trying to remember, but I think this happened to someone on TNA a long time ago if i'm not mistaken. TNA provider asked one of her goofball regulars to bring her to a casino so she could work the floor for dates while he played slots and had free drinks. Then security caught her because she was well-known to them for trolling the floor for dates. They called the police, who took her into a room and she gave-up the guy as her driver pretty much immediately. They let her go because for her it was only a misdemeanor and she bailed, but they came out and got him because driving her there while with the intent to solicit and "work" was a felony. She gave him up to save her own ass and he was nice enough to bring the w***e to the casino in the first place, LOL. I'm not really on TNA much but I do seem to recall that rather dramatic post some time ago. And from what I recall the weirdo was on TNA defending her actions in that post.
[quote=Original703]But engaging in promotion of prostitution is a class B felony, punishable by a fine of up to $20,000 and / or up to 10 years in prison. Pimping is obviously considered promotion of prostitution, but any act that furthers or advances prostitution can also be classified as "promotion"; the relationship between the sex worker and others who get a cut of the proceeds, or otherwise benefit from prostitution, doesn't have to be a coercive one. If memory serves, this was one of many charges against the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen from TRB. Prosecutors argued that positive reviews / recommendations fit within the definition of promoting prostitution[/quote]
I took my first trip to aurora ave the other night and seen a couple of decent looking girls but the cops were everywhere, I don't see how it's even possible to pick up the girls with the police roving, and them being posted at the hot spots. I seen a couple cars stopping and talking to the girl right in front of the cops like they weren't there. Also do certain cars get more attention than others cause I feel like my car sticks out like a sore thumb but it's all I have to drive. Thanks for any tips or advice.
[QUOTE=StreetTroller;5734667]Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't it also a felony to transport a provider to her dates? Could be as simple as a provider asking, "hey, can you give me a ride to somewhere?" after you both finish your time together. You agree, not knowing why she's going there, and then something happens and suddenly you're on the hook.
I'm trying to remember, but I think this happened to someone on TNA a long time ago if i'm not mistaken. TNA provider asked one of her goofball regulars to bring her to a casino so she could work the floor for dates while he played slots and had free drinks. Then security caught her because she was well-known to them for trolling the floor for dates. They called the police, who took her into a room and she gave-up the guy as her driver pretty much immediately. They let her go because for her it was only a misdemeanor and she bailed, but they came out and got him because driving her there while with the intent to solicit and "work" was a felony. She gave him up to save her own ass and he was nice enough to bring the w***e to the casino in the first place, LOL. I'm not really on TNA much but I do seem to recall that rather dramatic post some time ago. And from what I recall the weirdo was on TNA defending her actions in that post.[/QUOTE]This is new to me. Thanks for sharing. I have given rides to a few providers in the past (other states), really good intel here. Thanks again for sharing.
[QUOTE=StreetTroller;5734667]Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't it also a felony to transport a provider to her dates? Could be as simple as a provider asking, "hey, can you give me a ride to somewhere?" after you both finish your time together. You agree, not knowing why she's going there, and then something happens and suddenly you're on the hook.
I'm trying to remember, but I think this happened to someone on TNA a long time ago if i'm not mistaken. TNA provider asked one of her goofball regulars to bring her to a casino so she could work the floor for dates while he played slots and had free drinks. Then security caught her because she was well-known to them for trolling the floor for dates. They called the police, who took her into a room and she gave-up the guy as her driver pretty much immediately. They let her go because for her it was only a misdemeanor and she bailed, but they came out and got him because driving her there while with the intent to solicit and "work" was a felony. She gave him up to save her own ass and he was nice enough to bring the w***e to the casino in the first place, LOL. I'm not really on TNA much but I do seem to recall that rather dramatic post some time ago. And from what I recall the weirdo was on TNA defending her actions in that post.[/QUOTE]Just rumors and hearsay.
Remove posts without evidence.
[QUOTE=StreetTroller;5734667]Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't it also a felony to transport a provider to her dates? Could be as simple as a provider asking, "hey, can you give me a ride to somewhere?" after you both finish your time together. You agree, not knowing why she's going there, and then something happens and suddenly you're on the hook.
I'm trying to remember, but I think this happened to someone on TNA a long time ago if i'm not mistaken. TNA provider asked one of her goofball regulars to bring her to a casino so she could work the floor for dates while he played slots and had free drinks. Then security caught her because she was well-known to them for trolling the floor for dates. They called the police, who took her into a room and she gave-up the guy as her driver pretty much immediately. They let her go because for her it was only a misdemeanor and she bailed, but they came out and got him because driving her there while with the intent to solicit and "work" was a felony. She gave him up to save her own ass and he was nice enough to bring the w***e to the casino in the first place, LOL. I'm not really on TNA much but I do seem to recall that rather dramatic post some time ago. And from what I recall the weirdo was on TNA defending her actions in that post.[/QUOTE]I remember that story but not too well. I think in the end the dude got off but yes she reportedly gave him up quickly if I remember correctly.
This is an internet forum, not a court of law. Hence, hearsay is allowed. But there is a solution: if it hurts you, you can make the choice not to read it.
:)
[QUOTE=ProperGMan;5735193]Just rumors and hearsay.
Remove posts without evidence.[/QUOTE]
I don't think the police really care about your car, honestly. If it's a nice ride, they might look at it more than others, but other than that I don't think they'll really care.
Generally, SPD aren't really busting anyone right now. I'm not sure when that's going to change, but at some point it will. They're a presence because businesses and residents want them to be, and they move around as a form of deterrence. The girls are used to them being there and continue to keep doing what they do. That being said, I have seen moments over the past year when SPD did stop a guy after picking a girl up. It's typically not until after she gets in the car, and she'll come to your window to ask if you have a certain amount of money before she gets in. Traditionally this has been bad form, but all of the girls are doing it now so it'll be hard to get a date without talking to her through the window. Just know that this is how police stings operate, the girl talks at you through the window. The difference is that an undercover will pressure you immediately to agree to a sex act for money. She'll signal and the police will pounce. Most girls out there right now are only asking how much money you have and if you have what they're looking for, she'll get in. There's nothing illegal about that, but when I've seen guys get stopped it's always been right after the pick-up. I don't know if there's much to go on, but they'll separate the both of you and because the girl doesn't know you and doesn't care about you, she'll tell the police whatever they want to hear so she can get back out to make some money. You'll be stuck holding the bag in front of god and everyone for probably a long time until they either cite you or let you go. It's not very common and probably not likely to happen to you, but that's how I've seen it go down since 2020 up to now.
That being said, I'm just not comfortable talking to a girl, much less picking her up, in front of police. I just don't want them to know 100% that I'm out there picking-up girls. That could make me a target for a later date. But I'm also not the type to pick-up an SW in front of a lot of regular pedestrians or traffic. That's just me.
So in short, you'll probably be fine. Just be as clandestine as possible and remember. The girls know that the police nor the city prosecutors are after them anymore, they're after the johns. Because of that, they don't care if you feel uncomfortable while they solicit in front of police. The other warning I'll give is that there seems to be a rise in underage girls out there, so you'll want to be careful with that.
Other than that, do what your stomach allows.
[QUOTE=RedSkin08;5734699]I took my first trip to aurora ave the other night and seen a couple of decent looking girls but the cops were everywhere, I don't see how it's even possible to pick up the girls with the police roving, and them being posted at the hot spots. I seen a couple cars stopping and talking to the girl right in front of the cops like they weren't there. Also do certain cars get more attention than others cause I feel like my car sticks out like a sore thumb but it's all I have to drive. Thanks for any tips or advice.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RedSkin08;5734699]I took my first trip to aurora ave the other night and seen a couple of decent looking girls but the cops were everywhere, I don't see how it's even possible to pick up the girls with the police roving, and them being posted at the hot spots. I seen a couple cars stopping and talking to the girl right in front of the cops like they weren't there. Also do certain cars get more attention than others cause I feel like my car sticks out like a sore thumb but it's all I have to drive. Thanks for any tips or advice.[/QUOTE]I would never pick up a SW way too much can go wrong. She could have drugs and plant them in your car if you get stopped that's on you. Car dates are a no no for me as well. If you get caught in the act you just elevated it to lewd public conduct which is much more serious. Could be a set up for a rob as well. Not to mention could be a cop you are talking to through the window. I would imagine there are unmarked police cars around the area so even if it "looks clear". Even if there is "NO DEAL" police could attempt to charge you with "Intent to commit the act of engaging in prostitution". If you have no business to be in the area.
Police are pretty good at coming up with charges, even if they don't stick, an arrest can destroy you life as you know it.
I am not in Seattle yet moving there next month. Right now where I am police are doing stings 7 days a week. They are getting very sneaky in their attempts to bust guys including using photos and ads from well known providers and putting in a sentence "I got a new number guys, call me here XXXXXXXXXXXX" . The police seem to really be focusing on the purchase now more than the act of selling, so don't think if they put pressure on the girl she would give you up in 1 second flat.
[QUOTE=StreetTroller;5736541]I don't think the police really care about your car, honestly. If it's a nice ride, they might look at it more than others, but other than that I don't think they'll really care.
Generally, SPD aren't really busting anyone right now. I'm not sure when that's going to change, but at some point it will. They're a presence because businesses and residents want them to be, and they move around as a form of deterrence. The girls are used to them being there and continue to keep doing what they do. That being said, I have seen moments over the past year when SPD did stop a guy after picking a girl up. It's typically not until after she gets in the car, and she'll come to your window to ask if you have a certain amount of money before she gets in. Traditionally this has been bad form, but all of the girls are doing it now so it'll be hard to get a date without talking to her through the window. Just know that this is how police stings operate, the girl talks at you through the window. The difference is that an undercover will pressure you immediately to agree to a sex act for money. She'll signal and the police will pounce. Most girls out there right now are only asking how much money you have and if you have what they're looking for, she'll get in. There's nothing illegal about that, but when I've seen guys get stopped it's always been right after the pick-up. I don't know if there's much to go on, but they'll separate the both of you and because the girl doesn't know you and doesn't care about you, she'll tell the police whatever they want to hear so she can get back out to make some money. You'll be stuck holding the bag in front of god and everyone for probably a long time until they either cite you or let you go. It's not very common and probably not likely to happen to you, but that's how I've seen it go down since 2020 up to now.
That being said, I'm just not comfortable talking to a girl, much less picking her up, in front of police. I just don't want them to know 100% that I'm out there picking-up girls. That could make me a target for a later date. But I'm also not the type to pick-up an SW in front of a lot of regular pedestrians or traffic. That's just me.
So in short, you'll probably be fine. Just be as clandestine as possible and remember. The girls know that the police nor the city prosecutors are after them anymore, they're after the johns. Because of that, they don't care if you feel uncomfortable while they solicit in front of police. The other warning I'll give is that there seems to be a rise in underage girls out there, so you'll want to be careful with that.
Other than that, do what your stomach allows.[/QUOTE]Damn ST, that's a nice got damn break down. Honestly I wish more guys would report here often. I don't pick up, but have seen the view this past summa. Was AMAZING!
Being wordy is what I do, LOL.
[QUOTE=BusSit69;5737404]Damn ST, that's a nice got damn break down. Honestly I wish more guys would report here often. I don't pick up, but have seen the view this past summa. Was AMAZING![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=StreetTroller;5734667]Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't it also a felony to transport a provider to her dates? Could be as simple as a provider asking, "hey, can you give me a ride to somewhere?" after you both finish your time together. You agree, not knowing why she's going there, and then something happens and suddenly you're on the hook.
I'm trying to remember, but I think this happened to someone on TNA a long time ago if i'm not mistaken. TNA provider asked one of her goofball regulars to bring her to a casino so she could work the floor for dates while he played slots and had free drinks. Then security caught her because she was well-known to them for trolling the floor for dates. They called the police, who took her into a room and she gave-up the guy as her driver pretty much immediately. They let her go because for her it was only a misdemeanor and she bailed, but they came out and got him because driving her there while with the intent to solicit and "work" was a felony. She gave him up to save her own ass and he was nice enough to bring the w***e to the casino in the first place, LOL. I'm not really on TNA much but I do seem to recall that rather dramatic post some time ago. And from what I recall the weirdo was on TNA defending her actions in that post.[/QUOTE]I remember that on TNA. The issue with that guy was he lived in North Portland. She wanted to go to the casino north of vancouver. Your recollection was right that she ratted him out immediately, but the Washington DA ended up pressing for trafficking charges because he drove her across state lines to commit a felony. He admitted that he knew what she was doing in the casino. That's what got him busted. He admitted what her intentions were plus he drove her across state lines. That's the double whammy that got him convicted. Was like 7 years or something if I remember right.
Wow, that's a different case than the one I recall. From what I remember, the incident to which I referred happened in Seattle area, I think a casino up in Skagit county. But I'm not surprised that another case very similar to this one also occurred.
This just brings up a series of questions in my mind. For instance, out on the stroll we're all pretty much transporting the girls. So Hypothetically, if one of us brings her back out to the stroll after our date, are we committing a felony? We all know in our minds that she'll be working out there. She might not have an actual date set-up yet, but we know that at some point after we drop her that she will have another date. So, theoretically, we're assisting in her quest to commit sex work. I wonder where that boundary exists. In this current political climate of prosecutors focusing on johns, I'm wondering if this might be pursued at some point. I could see this being an option particularly in the case where an underage SW is involved.
Hell, I don't know, just thinking out loud here. The bottom-line is that john busts out on Aurora are coming, I think they're just formulating how they're going to go about it. The above just seems like another charge to throw at the wall.
[QUOTE=Alas5877;5738582]I remember that on TNA. The issue with that guy was he lived in North Portland. She wanted to go to the casino north of vancouver. Your recollection was right that she ratted him out immediately, but the Washington DA ended up pressing for trafficking charges because he drove her across state lines to commit a felony. He admitted that he knew what she was doing in the casino. That's what got him busted. He admitted what her intentions were plus he drove her across state lines. That's the double whammy that got him convicted. Was like 7 years or something if I remember right.[/QUOTE]
With the clear night I decided to go out for a bit and see what I might find. Plenty of girls out, mostly from 137th down to the motels. I just couldn't really find any who appealed to me. Most were overly made-up with their wigs, eyelashes, eyebrows and make-up, a few almost looked as though they were in some sort of theater play, their make-up very much caked-on and pasty white. Quite a few were just too overweight for my taste. I parked in the usual spot and watched a few walk past, a couple of them walked over to the window and asked if I might be interested. Just not feeling it.
I did pass the ubiquitous, at least to me, BSW spinner who wears glasses. I don't stroll much these days, but whenever I do there is a good chance I'll see this girl out there. She's got a great little spinner body, usually in a short skirt. I've talked with her on two occasions over the past year, all safety, rate starts at $120 and from what I recall doesn't give head. Last time I talked with her she wanted to charge me $20 for giving her phone number and I immediately shut that down. No fuckin way I'd ever do that, and it ticked me off. But every time I see her, I want that body, LOL. I was stuck at a stoplight and she walked past from across the street, smiled at me and nodded. So tonight I actually had the fleeting thought of trying to go covered just to see what she's like. But then I remembered that I didn't have any condoms and whenever I do use them, I like to use certain brands. I didn't want to leave it up to her to supply one because often their options suck. So I talked myself out of it. It's hard to go on a description here, but anyone ever date her? She's from southern California but been up here for probably almost a year now. Told me she was 20, glasses, thin spinner body, nice brown skin, usually longer dark hair (probably a wig). Against my better judgement, I think the time is coming when I'll pull the trigger.
Really nice but very young-looking tiny BSW spinner approached me down near 107th. Had seen her earlier up near 125th. Tight yoga or stretch pants, attractive face. She came to the window but I was spooked by how young she might be. I shook my head "no" and pulled away. She was pretty damn hot though.
That was the most activity I've had out on Aurora in at least a couple of months. I feel like an amateur these days, all skittish and unsure. It's not that the girls out there are all bad-looking, it's a combination of factors which essentially causes me to talk myself out of a potential experience. That combination involves the overall feeling of the street-hustle, limited service, overall lack of connection. Try as I have been, I'm just not feeling it with these huslter girls from California since 2020. Something about it is just off and I've been unable to verbally describe nor articulate it in the same way that I'm feeling it whenever I'm out there. Just not the same anymore.
[QUOTE=StreetTroller;5740352]With the clear night I decided to go out for a bit and see what I might find. Plenty of girls out, mostly from 137th down to the motels. I just couldn't really find any who appealed to me. Most were overly made-up with their wigs, eyelashes, eyebrows and make-up, a few almost looked as though they were in some sort of theater play, their make-up very much caked-on and pasty white. Quite a few were just too overweight for my taste. I parked in the usual spot and watched a few walk past, a couple of them walked over to the window and asked if I might be interested. Just not feeling it.
I did pass the ubiquitous, at least to me, BSW spinner who wears glasses. I don't stroll much these days, but whenever I do there is a good chance I'll see this girl out there. She's got a great little spinner body, usually in a short skirt. I've talked with her on two occasions over the past year, all safety, rate starts at $120 and from what I recall doesn't give head. Last time I talked with her she wanted to charge me $20 for giving her phone number and I immediately shut that down. No fuckin way I'd ever do that, and it ticked me off. But every time I see her, I want that body, LOL. I was stuck at a stoplight and she walked past from across the street, smiled at me and nodded. So tonight I actually had the fleeting thought of trying to go covered just to see what she's like. But then I remembered that I didn't have any condoms and whenever I do use them, I like to use certain brands. I didn't want to leave it up to her to supply one because often their options suck. So I talked myself out of it. It's hard to go on a description here, but anyone ever date her? She's from southern California but been up here for probably almost a year now. Told me she was 20, glasses, thin spinner body, nice brown skin, usually longer dark hair (probably a wig). Against my better judgement, I think the time is coming when I'll pull the trigger.
Really nice but very young-looking tiny BSW spinner approached me down near 107th. Had seen her earlier up near 125th. Tight yoga or stretch pants, attractive face. She came to the window but I was spooked by how young she might be. I shook my head "no" and pulled away. She was pretty damn hot though.
That was the most activity I've had out on Aurora in at least a couple of months. I feel like an amateur these days, all skittish and unsure. It's not that the girls out there are all bad-looking, it's a combination of factors which essentially causes me to talk myself out of a potential experience. That combination involves the overall feeling of the street-hustle, limited service, overall lack of connection. Try as I have been, I'm just not feeling it with these huslter girls from California since 2020. Something about it is just off and I've been unable to verbally describe nor articulate it in the same way that I'm feeling it whenever I'm out there. Just not the same anymore.[/QUOTE]Your last sentence really says it all, ST. It's not the same, and will likely never be. On top of it all, we now have the entire North Precinct either parked or cruising around out there. It makes me skittish and unsure also, which I've never been until recently. Limited service and stratospheric rates only reinforce my reluctance to even bother burning fuel anymore.
I was out and about Saturday after 8 pm. Decided to see what was out since it was not raining. Saw quite a few girls and a few manatees on the drive south. A few LE parked, and one that was behind me for a while until he got bored with me doing the speed limit.
But, holy shit, after turning around past 85th and heading north I quickly had a cop behind me. Within 10 block another pulled in front of him. By the time I got by 145th there were 3 cars bunched up. That's got to affect business which I'm sure will increase prices, less customers, need more $$$ per trick, which will chase away more buyers.
I know the scene is pretty active during the day. Is there that much LE presence in the daytime also?
Some brazen younger talent by Kidd Valley. 145th and Aurora. Not bashful. One is tall, brunette. Damn. Looks expensive. More than my $16.50 burger and fries WTF Kidd Valley?
About 10 ears ago when the city wanted to shut-down the stroll in Lake Union area where Amazon HQ is now located, SPD started tailing guys they thought were cruising for SWs. I was followed very closely a few times all the way to the I-5 on-ramp, at which point the cruiser turned around and went back. One night I decided to go back and the same police cruiser pulled me over on Dexter. He approached and point-blank asked me why I was down there so late. I actually laughed and told him that I could be down there, there was no curfew of which I was aware. To that he smiled and said, "look, I'm taking a [I]survey[/I]. Guys come down here at night and continually drive in [I]circles[/I] around the area. Just circling the blocks for hours. I wondering why". By this point he was laughing, just couldn't keep a straight face. So I asked, "I guess I don't understand why you're asking [I]me[/I] that question, I haven't circled, I'm just driving up Dexter". He said, "have a good night" and got back into his car. Never asked me for identification, either.
Generally SPD hasn't seemed to have been following suspected johns driving through Aurora since 2020. Perhaps now they're starting as a way to put the squeeze on. Spring is about two months away, at which time typically more traveling girls start returning to the area. So I'm wondering if there is going to start being more pressure applied to discourage the suspected coming activity. You have to admit that the past two summers have been pretty wild out there along Aurora, LOL, wondering if their trying to get ahead of that.
[QUOTE=HH216;5741880]I was out and about Saturday after 8 pm. Decided to see what was out since it was not raining. Saw quite a few girls and a few manatees on the drive south. A few LE parked, and one that was behind me for a while until he got bored with me doing the speed limit.
But, holy shit, after turning around past 85th and heading north I quickly had a cop behind me. Within 10 block another pulled in front of him. By the time I got by 145th there were 3 cars bunched up.[/quote]
I don't know, every time i've parked and watched since 2020 I haven't really seen a lot of the girls get picked-up. I've watched cars line-up for an SW and they all drove away after a deal couldn't be reached. I've always wondered how they're able to make money out there these days. But two girls i've seen regularly have told me that they both made about $800-$1500 a day. Every day. My one regular from California did say that she was only making about $500/day during her last visit this past fall and that this was the lowest amount she's ever made in Seattle since she started coming up here in 2017. The other girl from LA told me that it can take 15 hours or longer out on Aurora to make $800 and some days she didn't make that. So in the end they are still making money, but they both seemed to indicate that it was taking longer and longer to do so. I would think rates and services would be more flexible during those times, but that doesn't seem to be the case. But one thing is clear - Aurora is pretty much the only remaining stroll in the entire metro area. I think the day is coming when it will be on it's last leg.
But I was amazed at how much money they can make in one day out there. And tax-free, too. Just think that most of these girls are part of a crew where they're all generally bringing-in that much money per person. Somebody at the top is making a lot of money, even on a slow day.
[QUOTE=HH216;5741880]That's got to affect business which I'm sure will increase prices, less customers, need more $$$ per trick, which will chase away more buyers.[/QUOTE]
I'm not really a day-cruiser, but the times I've driven through in daylight there isn't as much of a police presence out there which to me seems backward. I would think that girls out there at night when there is less traffic would be better for residents than having to see girls in miniskirts shaking their asses at traffic during the day. But hell what do I know.
[QUOTE=HH216;5741880]I know the scene is pretty active during the day. Is there that much LE presence in the daytime also?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=StreetTroller;5742455] having to see girls in miniskirts shaking their asses at traffic during the day. But hell what do I know.[/QUOTE]I must admit, I do like the summer "uniforms" much better than the winter ones.
I went out for a bit on Saturday evening and was only out for a few minutes when I spotted a nice, tall BSW in a very short minidress with orange and black print all over it near KK. She had long hair, nice legs and overall a killer body. She came over and asked if I might want a date, gave her rate of $100 and I told her to get in. She got in and directed me to her room, but I told her that we needed to talk services first. She asked, "full service?" and then said she'd do that for $140. I told her I wanted to do it uncovered and of course she said no. I expected that. So I turned to drop her back off and she said, "I can do head uncovered". So, to avoid a long, confusing round of negotiations which took forever to untangle and straighten-out, i'll just mentioned that we agreed to uncovered head with full-service with an ultra-thin condom. Okay, I'm willing to try this and see how it goes. As part of full-service I ask to do it doggy-style, no problem.
We get to her room and get ready and then tell her to come over to me. I just want to touch and feel a bit. She said that she doesn't like touching. I said that's going to be damn near impossible during doggy-style and that I was NOT doing this date without any touching. I started getting my shoes back on and told her I'll just go ahead and leave, so she changed her mind. We get started, the head is more like a hand-job, which again I'd expected, and I told her that if she just put it in her mouth that I'd get-up much faster so she could put the condom on. She's going really fast, tries to put the condom on me when I'm semi-hard and I told her to sloooooow down and just get it going. Taking a bit of time now will ensure that I get done in time. Remarkably, she complies. Then she wants me to lie-down so she can get on top. That's not what we had agreed to so I refused. So we finally get everything going. I'm not really enjoying the experience and even though her body is smoking-hot, I'm just not getting there. She asks if everything is okay. I finally finished and start getting ready to leave.
Then she says, "here, take my number for when you want to see me again next week". I looked at her with my mouth wide open and a dumb-founded expression on my face for several seconds. She said, "what? I said, "you really think I would? Seriously? You really think I would call you after this awful experience? Clearly you dislike what you are doing. Clearly. It just can't be any more clear than that. No amount of money is worth your happiness, Doll, you should just get a regular job". She had a very dejected expression on her face, looked down at the floor and said, "oh". Then she said, "come see me next time, I'll do it without a condom. I don't do it with everybody, and not on the first date". Honestly that would make me feel skeezy, so I declined.
Thing is, I'm a pretty constant regular, I'm good for at least once every week, sometimes more. She's hot enough that should could have had me on a regular basis. She and what I assume to be her crew are going to stay up here through summer. But instead, she's going to have to stand out in the rain and the fog hoping to snare another sucker she's not met before. Because I just can't see any man wanting to repeat that awful experience. But that does bring-up a question which I've asked previously on this forum. Are some guys so taken with meeting a sweet young thing that they'll just put-up with a shitty experience just because she's hot? I like hot girls, too, but encounters such as this one just don't work for me. Clearly someone sold this girl a bill of goods and promised her that she'd make all of this money out on the stroll. I don't think things worked-out the way she thought it might. But in the end this experience went the way I thought it would, as I think most of them will with the ghetto pimpy girls and their California crews these days. There's no joy in any of that.
[QUOTE=HH216;5741880] saw a few manatees [/QUOTE]LOL to that!
[QUOTE=GinVermo;5741244]we now have the entire North Precinct either parked or cruising around out there. It makes me skittish and unsure also, which I've never been until recently. Limited service and stratospheric rates only reinforce my reluctance to even bother burning fuel anymore.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a lot of work and time but I hear there is still some fun to be had out there within reason. Re the north precinct, I heard a funny story where last summer dude picks up a date and thought they found a nice spot to park, and look over and it turns out they are literally parked on the street next to the precinct. There's a bunch of their cars behind the fence, and some le milling around. They rolled out directly to a nearby spot cause they were in close direct view from le parking lot.
[QUOTE=StreetTroller;5742455]I don't know, every time i've parked and watched since 2020 I haven't really seen a lot of the girls get picked-up. I've watched cars line-up for an SW and they all drove away after a deal couldn't be reached.[/QUOTE]Once it gets dark out most of the crowd of ladies seems to either get picked up or go on calls. Most of then are posted up online.
Seen a crowd of 7-10 by the Firestone and one after another gets picked up until all gone in less than 5 minutes. This narrative that they aren't getting picked up or making money doesn't match with reality. They wouldn't be here if they weren't making money. Heard they like it here better than fig in LA cause they make more and it isn't as dangerous.
That's generally not what I see, but that is purely anecdotal. Further, regular traveling girls I do meet whenever they return to the area are telling me that their income in Seattle has been diminishing with each visit. Again, anecdotal and I haven't surveyed the SW population at large, but that seems to fit with what I see, at least. Impossible for me to know for sure, of course, but I really do think the city will put more of a squeeze on AA. Every other stroll in the metro area has pretty much been extinguished, AA is the last-remaining stand. When I picked-up an SW on Saturday night (see report a few posts below), she was a [I]lot[/I] more cautious about how she approached and got in than they have been since 2020. I have to think that the police are definitely having an effect out there and as the city formulates their plans with the new mayor and city attorney I think we'll see more pressure. Up to this point, several girls have indeed told me that they are staying in Seattle as opposed to any other city on the West Coast because law enforcement and the city have been a lot more open to them. This is why girls are willing to stand in the rain, fog and colder temperatures as opposed to staying in Las Vegas during the winter. From what I understand vice has been pretty active on the strolls in Vegas, definitely different than up here. Regarding LA, there have been quite a few shootings and violence on the main stroll in South Central. So for now, Seattle is the big spot.
At the end of the day it really doesn't matter, though, because it simply is what it is and what's going to happen will happen. Aurora has changed a lot since 2020 and that will definitely continue to evolve. I remember when the signs of impending death began to show for the AAA stroll near Lake Union about 10 years ago and this feels similar. The girls on that stroll were very numerous, scantily-clad and thought they owned the place, very similar to how it's been on Aurora. The city took care of that, I think the same is coming for Aurora.
[QUOTE=BiggusAssus;5742777]Once it gets dark out most of the crowd of ladies seems to either get picked up or go on calls. Most of then are posted up online.
Seen a crowd of 7-10 by the Firestone and one after another gets picked up until all gone in less than 5 minutes. This narrative that they aren't getting picked up or making money doesn't match with reality. They wouldn't be here if they weren't making money. Heard they like it here better than fig in LA cause they make more and it isn't as dangerous.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=StreetTroller;5742690]... There's no joy in any of that.[/QUOTE]I agree that it is the biggest waste of money and a big boner killer when they just aren't into it at all.
[QUOTE=StreetTroller;5743484]That's generally not what I see, but that is purely anecdotal. Further, regular traveling girls I do meet whenever they return to the area are telling me that their income in Seattle has been diminishing with each visit. Again, anecdotal and I haven't surveyed the SW population at large, but that seems to fit with what I see, at least. Impossible for me to know for sure, of course, but I really do think the city will put more of a squeeze on AA. Every other stroll in the metro area has pretty much been extinguished, AA is the last-remaining stand. When I picked-up an SW on Saturday night (see report a few posts below), she was a [I]lot[/I] more cautious about how she approached and got in than they have been since 2020. I have to think that the police are definitely having an effect out there and as the city formulates their plans with the new mayor and city attorney I think we'll see more pressure. Up to this point, several girls have indeed told me that they are staying in Seattle as opposed to any other city on the West Coast because law enforcement and the city have been a lot more open to them. This is why girls are willing to stand in the rain, fog and colder temperatures as opposed to staying in Las Vegas during the winter. From what I understand vice has been pretty active on the strolls in Vegas, definitely different than up here. Regarding LA, there have been quite a few shootings and violence on the main stroll in South Central. So for now, Seattle is the big spot.
At the end of the day it really doesn't matter, though, because it simply is what it is and what's going to happen will happen. Aurora has changed a lot since 2020 and that will definitely continue to evolve. I remember when the signs of impending death began to show for the AAA stroll near Lake Union about 10 years ago and this feels similar. The girls on that stroll were very numerous, scantily-clad and thought they owned the place, very similar to how it's been on Aurora. The city took care of that, I think the same is coming for Aurora.[/QUOTE]There is no doubt, ST. You are 100% correct. The AA stroll is the last remaining, it's been dying for at least two years and is the number one target of law enforcement. They are going to wipe it out, just as they have with all the other strolls in this city. And yet another great Seattle tradition--predating the Klondike Gold Rush--will be gone forever.
That's the ultimate goal, anyway, and they are going to reach it within the year I suspect. But we'll still have fentanyl, tent cities, homeless on bicycles and garbage piled everywhere. Wonderful!
The city got serious about COVID spreading among the street population, they actually did take all of the known regular girls off of AA and re-distributed them to hotels around King County, mostly away from Aurora. And the remaining homeless population out there was generally cleaned-up. Remember all of those trashy trailers parked around AA? All of those are gone now. I recall a sidewalk almost all entirely covered by one continuous series of tarps one block off of Aurora, from just north of 85 to 90th. People were living under there like in some third-world country. Just a few years ago I was in Africa, that's the kind of shit I saw over there. Really crazy that in this first-world nation we can't take care of our own properly.
But I think the California girls caused all of the eyes on Aurora. They've been getting away with too much out there, walking down the middle of the street in a thong, bending-over and showing moms and their children their buttholes. Residents get sick of seeing that shit. If it goes sideways, it's generally their fault, really. That's who I'm going to blame, anyway. You can only be out their flashing your butthole for so long in this sex-hating conservative country before people start complaining about decency. However, these ghetto girls aren't smart enough to understand that. They think they run the show, the city is about to show them otherwise. I have to say that at this point I hope the city does, I'm just done with the entire scene out there.
Well that was a rant, wasn't it?
[QUOTE=GinVermo;5743633]There is no doubt, ST. You are 100% correct. The AA stroll is the last remaining, it's been dying for at least two years and is the number one target of law enforcement. They are going to wipe it out, just as they have with all the other strolls in this city. And yet another great Seattle tradition--predating the Klondike Gold Rush--will be gone forever.
That's the ultimate goal, anyway, and they are going to reach it within the year I suspect. But we'll still have fentanyl, tent cities, homeless on bicycles and garbage piled everywhere. Wonderful![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=StreetTroller;5743484] the AAA stroll[/QUOTE]The good old days indeed!
As far as the KK or AA stroll goes, there are patterns. Lots of cars circling and not picking up for a long time, and then when one car picks a lady up a feeding frenzy ensues, and then a bunch of other cars will also pick ladies up and all of a sudden most of the ladies are gone. Can happen within minutes.
Also see provider patterns. A bunch will be out for some time then they will all head back to the hotels for an hour or two before coming back out. Almost seems like a timed schedule sometimes. Was sitting in front of lowes one time in traffic last summer and heard the ladies giving food orders to someone on the phone then shortly after they all walked back down to the hotels and disappeared inside for an hour or two. This happened almost every day and at almost the same times.
I also saw a pattern quite often during rush hour last summer where le was posted up by kk and schwabs for a few hours until it got less busy traffic then they would roll out. During this time I noticed a lot of the ladies would disappear to the hotels or some would walk up to n137th and group up there. Then when traffic would lighten up after 6 or 7 pm the ladies would all be back out by kk area again. Le did that to ramp up presence in response to pressure and complaints.
No sympathy from me for the locals living in that area. The ladies are the only nice thing about that area. True they could dress and act more discreet.
I do see ladies out there walking that seem to never get picked up, like they are in it for the fashion show and drama scene and not to work.
At the end of the day the thrill of the hunt and the scenery is part of the fun, and that still exists. Sure the $40 bbbjs from a toothess crackhead aren't as common but I am not into that anyway. Go live in bfe with no ladies and no stroll for a while, that helps put in perspective what there is to see here and why it is worth appreciating.
[QUOTE=MarkoRamius;5743594]I agree that it is the biggest waste of money and a big boner killer when they just aren't into it at all.[/QUOTE]+1. The ones that actually want to work and perform seem to be be more aggressive about sales and trying to get picked up. The ones that just stand there and ignore cars and act like they don't want to work seem to have service that matches that attitude.
[QUOTE=StreetTroller;5743715]The city got serious about COVID spreading among the street population, they actually did take all of the known regular girls off of AA and re-distributed them to hotels around King County, mostly away from Aurora. And the remaining homeless population out there was generally cleaned-up. Remember all of those trashy trailers parked around AA? All of those are gone now. I recall a sidewalk almost all entirely covered by one continuous series of tarps one block off of Aurora, from just north of 85 to 90th. People were living under there like in some third-world country. Just a few years ago I was in Africa, that's the kind of shit I saw over there. Really crazy that in this first-world nation we can't take care of our own properly.
But I think the California girls caused all of the eyes on Aurora. They've been getting away with too much out there, walking down the middle of the street in a thong, bending-over and showing moms and their children their buttholes. Residents get sick of seeing that shit. If it goes sideways, it's generally their fault, really. That's who I'm going to blame, anyway. You can only be out their flashing your butthole for so long in this sex-hating conservative country before people start complaining about decency. However, these ghetto girls aren't smart enough to understand that. They think they run the show, the city is about to show them otherwise. I have to say that at this point I hope the city does, I'm just done with the entire scene out there.
Well that was a rant, wasn't it?[/QUOTE]Wait. Let me catch my breath. As if SPD gives 3 fucks. As if the city will prosecute. Have we all not watched the same news the last 2 or 3 years?
[QUOTE=BiggusAssus;5744205]No sympathy from me for the locals living in that area. The ladies are the only nice thing about that area. True they could dress and act more discreet[/QUOTE]It's our culture here in this country. We like family-values, even for those who don't have a family. Girls standing out on a public street and bending-over at traffic while wearing a thong isn't going to work in the USA, not even in one of the most liberal pockets of the country. That right there ought to tell us all something. Girls have been out on Aurora for decades, locals just generally understood that. It was other crimes it tended to draw such as drug-dealing that they didn't like. But now that the new girls are scantily-clad, that's suddenly a [I]much bigger[/I] issue. It's right out in their faces. Moms and their children, all of those delicate people to whom seeing flesh causes PTSD and a rush of moral violations. We can't have that in America. I mean hell, it's now a felony to pay for sex in Texas. What's odd to me is that there are plenty of conservative voters who pay to see providers, yet they vote for politicians to put more laws on it. I don't get that part.
Candidate for City Attorney Kennedy proposed de-criminalizing sex work here in Seattle. The police union called her an anarchist. In my opinion, though, they would need to create an area where girls can work, away from residents. Again, Americans are too good to see that stuff. We like people to be in jail for things which jail will never ever change nor fix. Meanwhile I go to Europe and the attitude is different.
Okay, bit of a rant there at the end. I'm prone to that lately. I guess i'm just sort of done with the whole situation lately, LOL
[QUOTE=BiggusAssus;5744205]Sure the $40 bbbjs from a toothess crackhead aren't as common but I am not into that anyway. Go live in bfe with no ladies and no stroll for a while, that helps put in perspective what there is to see here and why it is worth appreciating.[/QUOTE]Right now we have the opposite situation. Very hot girls who charge an exorbitant amount to offer very little in return. I'm not sure how handing-over very large amounts of cash for very limited services is much better, LOL. And when I say very limited service, I mean she doesn't even want you to touch, not just BBFS. Just not seeing the magic in that and don't understand the guys who do. That's like saying, "wow you're hot, just take my money just because. I'm enamored with hot girls, I just want to stare at you for $200". I mean, I could just go to a strip club, what's the difference there?
I am irritated that the girls insist on dress so scantily like & charge such high prices. Many of the girls from Vegas started this trend. Now most of the girls on the west coast have been doing this. The odd thing is why there is far fewer local girls.
[QUOTE=StreetTroller;5745356]It's our culture here in this country. We like family-values, even for those who don't have a family. Girls standing out on a public street and bending-over at traffic while wearing a thong isn't going to work in the USA, not even in one of the most liberal pockets of the country. That right there ought to tell us all something. Girls have been out on Aurora for decades, locals just generally understood that. It was other crimes it tended to draw such as drug-dealing that they didn't like. But now that the new girls are scantily-clad, that's suddenly a [I]much bigger[/I] issue. It's right out in their faces. Moms and their children, all of those delicate people to whom seeing flesh causes PTSD and a rush of moral violations. We can't have that in America. I mean hell, it's now a felony to pay for sex in Texas. What's odd to me is that there are plenty of conservative voters who pay to see providers, yet they vote for politicians to put more laws on it. I don't get that part.
Candidate for City Attorney Kennedy proposed de-criminalizing sex work here in Seattle. The police union called her an anarchist. In my opinion, though, they would need to create an area where girls can work, away from residents. Again, Americans are too good to see that stuff. We like people to be in jail for things which jail will never ever change nor fix. Meanwhile I go to Europe and the attitude is different.
Okay, bit of a rant there at the end. I'm prone to that lately. I guess i'm just sort of done with the whole situation lately, LOL
Right now we have the opposite situation. Very hot girls who charge an exorbitant amount to offer very little in return. I'm not sure how handing-over very large amounts of cash for very limited services is much better, LOL. And when I say very limited service, I mean she doesn't even want you to touch, not just BBFS. Just not seeing the magic in that and don't understand the guys who do. That's like saying, "wow you're hot, just take my money just because. I'm enamored with hot girls, I just want to stare at you for $200". I mean, I could just go to a strip club, what's the difference there?[/QUOTE]
Careful, Seeker, you don't want to be labeled an "elitist" for that comment, LOL. We don't want anyone to feel left-out because they have a dissenting view, even if they don't post those views. We have to try and be more inclusive of those who don't participate, LOL.
Annnnnnnnyway, the residents have definitely been complaining about the scantily-clad girls out there, there have been news reports about this and they've been complaining in neighborhood community groups on Facebook. Businesses have been complaining about girls flagging johns in their parking lots. To me the rates aren't necessarily crazy, it's the complete lack of service and mechanical plastic delivery of said service. Some of the girls out there are definitely hot, though.
[QUOTE=MongerSeeker;5748655]I am irritated that the girls insist on dress so scantily like & charge such high prices. Many of the girls from Vegas started this trend. Now most of the girls on the west coast have been doing this. The odd thing is why there is far fewer local girls.[/QUOTE]
Girls that dress so scantily bring unnecessary heat on themselves and the rest of the mongers.
[QUOTE=StreetTroller;5748926]Careful, Seeker, you don't want to be labeled an "elitist" for that comment, LOL. We don't want anyone to feel left-out because they have a dissenting view, even if they don't post those views. We have to try and be more inclusive of those who don't participate, LOL.
Annnnnnnnyway, the residents have definitely been complaining about the scantily-clad girls out there, there have been news reports about this and they've been complaining in neighborhood community groups on Facebook. Businesses have been complaining about girls flagging johns in their parking lots. To me the rates aren't necessarily crazy, it's the complete lack of service and mechanical plastic delivery of said service. Some of the girls out there are definitely hot, though.[/QUOTE]
Time is around 930, there's probably about 20+ girls out from home deport and up north. Plus about 8 police cruisers. I really don't understand what guy is going to make a pick up with all the LE presence.
We'll see if I have any luck.